Breaking: Budget deal passes key test vote in the Senate, 67-33

posted at 10:31 am on December 17, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Passage was, of course, a foregone conclusion of holding the vote in the first place.  Thanks to the intricacies of Senate rules, the Paul Ryan-Patty Murray budget deal had to withstand a cloture vote to limit debate to 30 hours, which will allow the final floor vote to proceed before the Senate leaves for its Christmas recess.  If Harry Reid had any doubt about the prospects of a successful cloture vote, he would have waited longer to hold it.

That doesn’t mean the vote was uneventful:

McConnell and Rand Paul both voted against it, as did most Republicans who might face primary challenges next year — including John Cornyn. John McCain was among the Republicans voting for cloture, though, and he was joined by several others (including the recently-elected Orrin Hatch) to push the vote well past the 60-vote mark to 67-33. We’ll post the link to the final roll-call vote report when it becomes available.

In this case, the Senate went along with the public consensus, almost matching the vote to the percentages in the latest Washington Post-ABC News poll:

A majority of the public approves of the budget deal hashed out last week, according to a new poll.

An ABC-Washington Post poll released Tuesday found 50 percent approve of the agreement while 35 percent disapprove. The other 15 percent had no opinion of the deal.

Sixty-one percent of Democrats approve of it as well as 52 percent of independents. Republicans are split, as 39 percent approve of the deal while 36 percent disapprove. The rest are undecided.

There are grounds for dissent in this compromise, but the amplitude of the issues was at least kept to a dull roar.  Don’t expect a big fight over the debt ceiling, either, despite what Ryan suggested this week. Republicans will demand a concession or two, but it will be on the same scale as the concessions in this deal, if they get them at all. No one had the stomach to disrupt the markets with a game of chicken on the debt ceiling in 2011, or in October of this year, and the GOP certainly won’t want the distraction from ObamaCare next year. This is a clearing of the decks to force Democrats to run on ObamaCare in the midst of its destructive impact, and a way to avoid an obstructionist tag on a function that the American public clearly wants back on track. We’ll see whether this strategy pays off in the midterm elections.

Update: Chad Pergram reports on the 12 Republicans who joined all of the Democrats on the vote:

Not an at-risk seat among them. This is a clear case of managing the vote. Expect the other Republicans to highlight their opposition to cloture, but the budget deal will pass easily now.


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Bishop on December 17, 2013 at 10:34 AM

SECOND!

Bishop on December 17, 2013 at 10:35 AM

Relax people…Tactics or something…

workingclass artist on December 17, 2013 at 10:36 AM

THE DESPICABLE ESTABLISHMENT GOP ARE ACTING LIKE THE IRS

Mr. Arrogant on December 17, 2013 at 10:37 AM

Republicans will demand a concession or two…

LOL

Fallon on December 17, 2013 at 10:37 AM

Oh boy, the lying sackless Cornyn will now spend his $7 million telling us how conservative he is for the next 11 months.

DanMan on December 17, 2013 at 10:38 AM

See that hill over there, no not that one you idiot, the one way behind it, yeah that one, it’s the hill the GOP will fight for.

Sure it’s about renaming a post office after Charlie Rangel but rest assured the GOP will fight like demons to make sure it never happens, DEMONS!

Bishop on December 17, 2013 at 10:39 AM

What next? An immigration cave to clear the decks for Obamacare?

BuckeyeSam on December 17, 2013 at 10:39 AM

This should be the last bad budget bill pass, cause in 13 months from now, Mitch and his gang will no longer be in the senate.

BroncosRock on December 17, 2013 at 10:39 AM

Does a compound Bishop count during the holidays?

DanMan on December 17, 2013 at 10:39 AM

The Republican Party continues winning just like MMFA.

steebo77 on December 17, 2013 at 10:41 AM

Well, this will clear the decks and allow the GOP to really fight on the next issue . . . Oh what the hell, never mind!

TarheelBen on December 17, 2013 at 10:43 AM

Bishop on December 17, 2013 at 10:39 AM

You’re confusing “fight” and “lie on their backsides upon” (as well as “hill” and “molehill”).

Steve Eggleston on December 17, 2013 at 10:43 AM

I’d rather the GOP to be in power than the Democrats. That does not take anything away from the fact that our budgeting is broken, and unlikely to be fixed by either party. There will be a reckoning from all of this debt — it cannot continue forever. I’m somewhat impressed that they have been able to kick the can for as long as they have already, but there will come a point when we truly run out of road.

Use the time that we have to prepare and be ready.

Revenant on December 17, 2013 at 10:45 AM

“But, but, but…”

Latest GOP announcement.

Lourdes on December 17, 2013 at 10:45 AM

This budget deal is just a distraction from the real issue that needs to be addressed this year. You guessed it: what color is Santa Claus?

TarheelBen on December 17, 2013 at 10:48 AM

What next? An immigration cave to clear the decks for Obamacare?

BuckeyeSam on December 17, 2013 at 10:39 AM

Yeah because when the GOP leadership removes all space between them and the rats- well people will be more apt to vote for the Republicans. Right? That seems to be the strategy Boehner and McConnell has embraced. Cave on every single issue and whine about Obamacare (without doing anything to repeal it).

Happy Nomad on December 17, 2013 at 10:49 AM

Of course douchebag McCain had to throw his withered mug behind it, upholding his tradition of being a pandering lickspittle to the Party he secretly desires to be part of.

Bishop on December 17, 2013 at 10:49 AM

I’d rather the GOP to be in power than the Democrats. That does not take anything away from the fact that our budgeting is broken, and unlikely to be fixed by either party. There will be a reckoning from all of this debt — it cannot continue forever. I’m somewhat impressed that they have been able to kick the can for as long as they have already, but there will come a point when we truly run out of road.

Use the time that we have to prepare and be ready.

Revenant on December 17, 2013 at 10:45 AM

You get my vote for Sunniest Comment of the Day.

That’s a genuine compliment — no sarcasm.

I’d rather the GOP to be in power than the Democrats. That does not take anything away from the fact that our budgeting is broken, and unlikely to be fixed by either party.

At this point, it’s difficult to believe that there are more than a few in Congress who have the nation’s best interests at heart and in mind. I’m as perplexed about Ryan and Boehner as anyone can be from the Right. It’s become a case of “anyone is better than Obama.”

Lourdes on December 17, 2013 at 10:49 AM

GOP to veterans: F U!

Ward Cleaver on December 17, 2013 at 10:50 AM

This budget deal is just a distraction from the real issue that needs to be addressed this year. You guessed it: what color is Santa Claus?

TarheelBen on December 17, 2013 at 10:48 AM

After all this time, is this really still an issue? Santa Clause was born in Hawaii with a slutty white mother and a Kenyan father. He identifies with his black side when it’s convenient.

Happy Nomad on December 17, 2013 at 10:50 AM

These guys vote for what’s in the best interest for themselves and for keeping Washington DC flush with $$$$. Does anyone really expect these people to vote against their own selfish interest?

We lost representative democracy a long time ago (somewhere between the 16th Amendment and the New Deal), all of this is simply Kabuki theater now…

powerpickle on December 17, 2013 at 10:50 AM

GOP to veterans: F U!

Ward Cleaver on December 17, 2013 at 10:50 AM

The cuts to military and vets’ needs is difficult to understand or even respect.

AND this Ryan-Murray Mess “funds Obamacare”.

Lourdes on December 17, 2013 at 10:51 AM

In the 1920s and 30s Will Rogers had great fun at the expense of politicians. As he saw it, they were ridiculous, vain, corrupt and dependably petty people. You could count on them meddling and causing trouble in society, i.e., more problems than they solved.

The difference is that in those days government was more of a sideshow. We could afford to laugh at it. We could pretty much live our lives and be left alone — relatively speaking.

Today, government’s size, power, reach and potential for calamitous social destruction is so great that these government apparatchiks — shallow complaisant twits like Paul Ryan and outright power-mad liars like Obama and the whole ugly whoredom of power-mad Washington — represent a direct and present danger to us, the citizenry. We can’t live our lives. More and more we must accommodate and suffer for both the power-crazed, imperialist drive to control all of American life of the progressive, and for clueless, beta, make-nice ninnies of the GOP.

rrpjr on December 17, 2013 at 10:53 AM

After all this time, is this really still an issue? Santa Clause was born in Hawaii with a slutty white mother and a Kenyan father. He identifies with his black side when it’s convenient.

Happy Nomad on December 17, 2013 at 10:50 AM

If he tries to come down MY chimney, he’ll be shot!

TarheelBen on December 17, 2013 at 10:53 AM

Use the time that we have to prepare and be ready.

Revenant on December 17, 2013 at 10:45 AM

Snicker. Ready for what? Are you climbing into your survivalist shelter to enjoy freeze-dried delicacies? Are you collecting ammo and gold? Are you preparing for the revolution? Printing your own currency? Working on your “todlja so” manifesto? Preparing for the Great Pumpkin Tru-Con Renaissance?

rhombus on December 17, 2013 at 10:54 AM

Business to Boehner: Hit ’em hard

“Corporations are some of the biggest seekers of welfare in this country,” said Barney Keller, a spokesman for the Club for Growth. “Business groups are often on the side of bigger government and when they are, we will be on the opposite side of them. And where they’re not, we will be on the same side.”

Dan Holler, a spokesman for Heritage Action for America, said business groups’ backing of Boehner shows that the budget agreement was flawed policy.

“The fact that K Street is applauding confirms that the deal was bad and Speaker Boehner’s comments confirm conservatives’ worst suspicions about Washington that the game is rigged,” Holler said.

In an MSNBC interview on Friday, Michael Needham, Heritage Action’s CEO, said the Speaker was trying to move past budget issues to find a path forward on immigration reform — which has been lobbied for heavily by business groups.

“This deal increases spending, this deal increases taxes. And that is bad for the county and that is what we want to be focused on,” Needham said. “The Speaker also wants to clear the way for immigration reform next year.”

kcewa on December 17, 2013 at 10:55 AM

Not an at-risk seat among them. This is a clear case of managing the vote.

Seriously, they don’t see this backfiring?
We know how Lindsey and the “at risks” would have voted, all.
Levin at least will hammer it home.

Marcus on December 17, 2013 at 10:55 AM

Are you climbing into your survivalist shelter to enjoy freeze-dried delicacies? Are you collecting ammo and gold? Are you preparing for the revolution? Printing your own currency? Working on your “todlja so” manifesto? Preparing for the Great Pumpkin Tru-Con Renaissance?

rhombus on December 17, 2013 at 10:54 AM

Better than rioting in the street for popsicles and beer.

Lourdes on December 17, 2013 at 10:56 AM

Relax people…Tactics or something…

workingclass artist on December 17, 2013 at 10:36 AM

Just this, to the entire land, from both sides.

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2013 at 10:56 AM

Republicans will demand a concession or two…

LOL

Fallon on December 17, 2013 at 10:37 AM

I’m sure. Maybe they’ll shoot for a staffer discount on Obama merchandise from the Senate gift shop or something.

ElectricPhase on December 17, 2013 at 10:57 AM

“The fact that K Street is applauding confirms that the deal was bad and Speaker Boehner’s comments confirm conservatives’ worst suspicions about Washington that the game is rigged,” Holler said.

In an MSNBC interview on Friday, Michael Needham, Heritage Action’s CEO, said the Speaker was trying to move past budget issues to find a path forward on immigration reform — which has been lobbied for heavily by business groups.

“This deal increases spending, this deal increases taxes. And that is bad for the county and that is what we want to be focused on,” Needham said. “The Speaker also wants to clear the way for immigration reform next year.”

Demand more taxes. Demand more taxpayers.

That seems to be the setup by Boehner and his amnesty players.

Lourdes on December 17, 2013 at 10:58 AM

A test vote? Why bother? Just follow through with another betrayal, GOP.

rickv404 on December 17, 2013 at 10:58 AM

12 R Sens vote to end debate on budget: Alexander Isakson Portman Blunt Collins Hoeven Chambliss Flake Murkowski Johnson (WI) Hatch McCain

Go to Hell, with the entire RINO contingent, there and here. YOU are traitors to the land, every one of you, more so than the Ds.

Pelosi/Reid are thugs who win.

You are more impertinent than they, but you get romneyed, every time. I hope Karl Rove takes you with him, every time. You’re all fun to watch. Good luck to your children.

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2013 at 10:59 AM

If you like your $17T debt, you can keep it.

faraway on December 17, 2013 at 10:59 AM

Yet another sell out and theft of future generations…

I can’t imagine how so many elected Americans can so willingly, and without conscience, steal from our kids and grand kids so that they can fund parasites and buy their votes.

Most of them should be on trial for treason.

cajunpatriot on December 17, 2013 at 11:00 AM

In an MSNBC interview on Friday, Michael Needham, Heritage Action’s CEO, said the Speaker was trying to move past budget issues to find a path forward on immigration reform — which has been lobbied for heavily by business groups.

“This deal increases spending, this deal increases taxes. And that is bad for the county and that is what we want to be focused on,” Needham said. “The Speaker also wants to clear the way for immigration reform next year.”

kcewa on December 17, 2013 at 10:55 AM

I think “business groups” means the US Chamber of Commerce. I heard the CoC CEO on an interview on FOX last week and he sounded (and looked, with his white-pompadour hairdo) like the ordinary Democrat fatcat, bragging that he/his would be “very involved” in the amnesty demand.

Needless to add, the guy was quite repulsive in his fatcat lip-licking. I was repulsed by his sheer presence and then there was his bragging. Quite repulsive.

*IF* Boehner/the CoC (“business groups”) ever do manage to pass amnesty, that’ll be the end of the GOP.

It is such an obvious conclusion of events as to lead me to question if that’s Boehner’s motive. Certainly seems to be the motive of the CoC guy.

Lourdes on December 17, 2013 at 11:01 AM

Snicker. Ready for what? Are you climbing into your survivalist shelter to enjoy freeze-dried delicacies? Are you collecting ammo and gold? Are you preparing for the revolution? Printing your own currency? Working on your “todlja so” manifesto? Preparing for the Great Pumpkin Tru-Con Renaissance?

rhombus on December 17, 2013 at 10:54 AM

Most of the above if you’re smart; when this all collapses there won’t be lines of people waiting for soup, there will be herds of people taking the soup at gunpoint.

Your fellow citizens will trample each other to save $5 on a cheap waffle-iron at a Black Friday Walmart sale, think what they would be willing to do if they’re free-shiite card suddenly shows no balance and the fridge is empty.

Bishop on December 17, 2013 at 11:01 AM

Wall Street, inl. the WSJ, Karl Rove and all of you in his azz, congressmen, senators et all, I hope you burn, but slowly and painfully.

You enable the Ds, and are, thus, more culpable in the destruction of the Land and her children. I hope that you and your progeny get to suffer as much as the 47%rs, tards, every one of them. I hope you attain the same ‘status’ of destitution. YOU deserve no less than full destruction, every one of you.

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2013 at 11:02 AM

We shouldn’t be governing by crisis
-harry Reid

From the person who hasn’t passed a budget in years and refused bills coming to the floor

But hey its the gops fault

Infuriating

cmsinaz on December 17, 2013 at 11:02 AM

Your fellow citizens will trample each other to save $5 on a cheap waffle-iron at a Black Friday Walmart sale, think what they would be willing to do if they’re free-shiite card suddenly shows no balance and the fridge is empty.

Bishop on December 17, 2013 at 11:01 AM

Don’t enlighten the sheepleton.

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2013 at 11:04 AM

So proud of the AZ contingency…… not

cmsinaz on December 17, 2013 at 11:04 AM

So proud of the AZ contingency…… not

cmsinaz on December 17, 2013 at 11:04 AM

Yeah, they lasted, what, about two minutes? A long, long time ago, in a state far, far away…

Lourdes on December 17, 2013 at 11:05 AM

Republicans will demand a concession or two, but it will be on the same scale as the concessions in this deal

… which were… what, exactly? Smaller tax increase than Dems wanted? Smaller spending increase than Dems wanted? Smaller funding of Obamacare than Dems wanted? Less easy to increase taxes in the future (yet still easier than before) than Dems wanted?

So at the budget deal, we can look forward to ‘concessions’ like more taxes, more spending, more regulation, more entitlements, more deficit, more debt? Yay, GOP, thank God they’re on our side!

Wait – perhaps by ‘a concession or two’ you mean as in the football game context – so Republicans may demand a box of popcorn and a hot dog as part of the process? At least they’d *get* something that way, I suppose.

Midas on December 17, 2013 at 11:05 AM

I have a request to HotAir.

Can you please stop putting a photo of this horrid
woman and her Pantsuit on your screen?

If I choose to read about political malfeasance, greed, avarice,
and general Goat Screwing of the American public, just put a
photo of a Toilet there.

ToddPA on December 17, 2013 at 11:06 AM

Harry Reid give them the 51 thuggery.

The 12 repay him by voting with him.

If this were not so funny it w/b tragic.

Alas, laugh and let them burn you, morons.

I hate the RINOs more than Harry Reid now.

He and Pelosi chase their Utopian dream, via pure thuggery. However, they know what they want and they fight to get it.

The Rs are nothing but weasels. They abound all over here too. You are eunuchs and NO more. You stand for nothing and I hope you fall the same, and yours too.

It’s easy to mock obama. You are below the oaf, who’s chief. You reached for a very low status and you attained it. Congratulations!

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2013 at 11:06 AM

McCain’s father and grandpa hate him from their graves.

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2013 at 11:07 AM

No one had the stomach to disrupt the markets with a game of chicken on the debt ceiling in 2011, or in October of this year, and the GOP certainly won’t want the distraction from ObamaCare next year.

This is what some of our dear “conservative” folks don’t/refuse to comprehend/support—winning elections. As for the idea of amnesty, (other than the rhetoric of appeasement), there’s still no reason for Boehner to even take up the legislation until after next November. ObamaCare is plunging millions of Americans into purgatory—leaving them with no viable health insurance—and it should bury every Democrat seeking to retain, (or gain), an elected position next year. If the majority of Republicans focus on this issue exclusively, 1) we take the Senate, and 2) Obama becomes an instant lame duck—mission finally accomplished!

Rovin on December 17, 2013 at 11:08 AM

Don’t enlighten the sheepleton.

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2013 at 11:04 AM

It’s the holiday season, I’m offering the gift of preparedness to a lost soul who apparently believes “that can’t happen here”. Who knows, maybe she’ll pack away a few boxes of Pop Tarts just in case.

Bishop on December 17, 2013 at 11:09 AM

There exists a Democrat/GOP coalition.

David Blue on December 17, 2013 at 11:10 AM

I wonder what the Fed’s decision on QE will be tomorrow. Wonder if this will push them to start tapering (as the market was spooked about when the House passed this last week), or if enough other factors will have them maintain current course/speed.

I liked the market more when it was… well, a market, driven more by market forces rather than government whim and manipulation. At least some amount of sanity and logic could be seen and used to decide what to do there. Now it’s all about what the government is going to do, which winners/losers might they pick, what whim might they act upon tomorrow that can send the market soaring or crashing as a result – and which way do they *want* it to move based on political machinations, etc.

Have I mentioned that I hate these folks in DC?

Ah well, wondering about maybe moving to half cash in the market to a) minimize the loss if the market tanks when they announce they’ll start tapering, and b) still have something in when the market jumps when they announce they’re not tapering. lol.

*sigh*

Midas on December 17, 2013 at 11:11 AM

You now know why not one young person should vote for the Rs. They destroy their future faster/better than the Ds. They enable the latter, bending like willows to the Ds thuggish demands.

Heh, Rs lose every time, with silky gloves, saying “thank you Harry Reid, for the steely punch in the nose”.

God, I hope McConnell goes to Hades, one way or another, soon. He is the biggest Machiavellian fraud from the R contingent.

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2013 at 11:11 AM

Your fellow citizens will trample each other to save $5 on a cheap waffle-iron at a Black Friday Walmart sale, think what they would be willing to do if they’re free-shiite card suddenly shows no balance and the fridge is empty.

Bishop on December 17, 2013 at 11:01 AM

Don’t enlighten the sheepleton.

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2013 at 11:04 AM

Request Part Deux to HotAir:

I hearby post a nomination for a Bishop post comparing
Obama to Scarface Tony Montana. Maybe Best Comparison
of Obama to a “White Hispanic Criminal” category??

“Say hello to my Little Friend!!”

ToddPA on December 17, 2013 at 11:11 AM

I have a request to HotAir.

Can you please stop putting a photo of this horrid
woman and her Pantsuit on your screen?

ToddPA on December 17, 2013 at 11:06 AM

Which one are you talking about Paul Ryan or Patty Murray?

portlandon on December 17, 2013 at 11:12 AM

It’s the holiday season, I’m offering the gift of preparedness to a lost soul who apparently believes “that can’t happen here”. Who knows, maybe she’ll pack away a few boxes of Pop Tarts just in case.

Bishop on December 17, 2013 at 11:09 AM

That’s the (holiday) spirit, bud. Same will try to kill you, when time comes. You are the declared “enemy”. Recall, eva1234 told us so.

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2013 at 11:13 AM

I have a request to HotAir.

Can you please stop putting a photo of this horrid
woman and her Pantsuit on your screen?

ToddPA on December 17, 2013 at 11:06 AM

It’s an important set of images, much like Bush holding hands with the Saudi king. It reveals who’s playing political footsie with whom.

David Blue on December 17, 2013 at 11:13 AM

As bad as this deal may appear, the focus should be on ’14 and ’16 to make sure there are no more excuses.

Tater Salad on December 17, 2013 at 11:13 AM

12 R Sens vote to end debate on budget: Alexander Isakson Portman Blunt Collins Hoeven Chambliss Flake Murkowski Johnson (WI) Hatch McCain

Hmm, I’m kind of surprised my RINO, Richard Burr, didn’t vote for cloture. And a question: what the hell happened to Ron Johnson?

TarheelBen on December 17, 2013 at 11:14 AM

portlandon, you are a national treasure. Cheers!

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2013 at 11:15 AM

12 R Sens vote to end debate on budget: Alexander Isakson Portman Blunt Collins Hoeven Chambliss Flake Murkowski Johnson (WI) Hatch McCain

Hmm, I’m kind of surprised my RINO, Richard Burr, didn’t vote for cloture. And a question: what the hell happened to Ron Johnson?

TarheelBen on December 17, 2013 at 11:14 AM

Being a WI boy, he felt he needed to support Ryan.

Tater Salad on December 17, 2013 at 11:17 AM

If the majority of Republicans focus on this issue exclusively, 1) we take the Senate, and 2) Obama becomes an instant lame duck—mission finally accomplished!

Rovin on December 17, 2013 at 11:08 AM

Yay!

And *then* the GOP Congress will vote overwhelmingly for amnesty, continue to expand the size of government, continue to increase government spending, will *not* repeal or defund Obamacare, etc., all the while telling us they just can’t do anything different until we elect Chris Christie as President… *then* they’ll really be able to do wonderful things – like still not repeal Obamacare, but rather remake it in their own image, continue to spend more and expand government, etc.

Won’t that be *wonderful*?

Midas on December 17, 2013 at 11:17 AM

As bad as this deal may appear, the focus should be on ’14 and ’16 to make sure there are no more excuses.

Tater Salad on December 17, 2013 at 11:13 AM

2014 won’t be what you think…Boehner/Ryan/Cantor will pass amnesty in 2014 and Pelosi will earn in full her hammer…back to her claws in Jan. 2015. Mark it!

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2013 at 11:17 AM

Which one are you talking about Paul Ryan or Patty Murray?

portlandon on December 17, 2013 at 11:12 AM

Correct. They’re indistinguishable. That’s what we need to understand.

rrpjr on December 17, 2013 at 11:18 AM

Midas on December 17, 2013 at 11:17 AM

All the while they’ll assume that we are all children, mental midgets.

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2013 at 11:19 AM

As bad as this deal may appear, the focus should be on ’14 and ’16 to make sure there are no more excuses.

Tater Salad on December 17, 2013 at 11:13 AM

This deal screws over military retirees for a paltry “savings” while dismantling at least 30% of the sequestration cuts. It does not appear to be a bad deal, it is a bad deal.

Happy Nomad on December 17, 2013 at 11:19 AM

Newsflash: the RINOs hate the TEAparties/conservatives equally, if not more, than Pelosi/Reid do.

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2013 at 11:20 AM

No drama.

But two ugly queens in that picture…

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2013 at 11:21 AM

I like turtles.

Punchenko on December 17, 2013 at 11:21 AM

Sigh Lourdes….. indeed

cmsinaz on December 17, 2013 at 11:22 AM

This deal screws over military retirees for a paltry “savings” while dismantling at least 30% of the sequestration cuts. It does not appear to be a bad deal, it is a bad deal.

Happy Nomad on December 17, 2013 at 11:19 AM

The Rs can Never again say that they care about the military. Done, out and over.

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2013 at 11:22 AM

I have a request to HotAir.

Can you please stop putting a photo of this horrid
woman and her Pantsuit on your screen?

ToddPA on December 17, 2013 at 11:06 AM

Which one are you talking about Paul Ryan or Patty Murray?

portlandon on December 17, 2013 at 11:12 AM

What!!??

Haven’t you heard?? Paul Ryan is now the preferred candidate
in IOWA for the GOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!

See!! All it took was a member of the GOP laying down with
a woman (We haven’t heard otherwise..YET) and let her
steamroll his AZZ on a budget “Deal” and Voila!!

He’s our Prezzie for 2016!!!!!!!!

I’ll tell you what!! Us GOPer’s are pretty damn Special now!!

ToddPA on December 17, 2013 at 11:23 AM

Continuing that time honored commitment to continue to kick the can down the road….

It’s come to the point where our two parties are only distinguishable by the speed at which they want to travel down the wrong road…the Progressive-fascists prefer to head down that road at 300mph while the Progressive-lite only want us to head down that road at 150mph.

Athos on December 17, 2013 at 11:23 AM

Isn’t Eddie Munster in the lead in Iowa?

Punchenko on December 17, 2013 at 11:23 AM

It’s really time for another party.

CatoRenasci on December 17, 2013 at 11:24 AM

Flat out tell your kids: When your generation is running the show, take back what has been stolen from you and let those who stole it suffer, and don’t cry a single tear.

While you’re at it, hunt down the survivors who implemented the theft and make them suffer.

Bishop on December 17, 2013 at 11:25 AM

This is great news. We can finally get back to “normal”.

Unfunded entitlements that foster dependency.
Massive debt spending no civilization has survived.
Kicking the can down the road.

But the media will stop being mean to Republicans (right?).
And we can go back to pretending that business as usual will wont end in a disaster.

gwelf on December 17, 2013 at 11:25 AM

Paul Ryan will probably be the next Speaker. Ha, we used to like this guy.

Punchenko on December 17, 2013 at 11:25 AM

I’d rather the GOP to be in power than the Democrats. That does not take anything away from the fact that our budgeting is broken, and unlikely to be fixed by either party. There will be a reckoning from all of this debt — it cannot continue forever. I’m somewhat impressed that they have been able to kick the can for as long as they have already, but there will come a point when we truly run out of road.

Use the time that we have to prepare and be ready.

Revenant on December 17, 2013 at 10:45 AM

Exactly, just like a guy at the Casino with a credit card. Sooner or later he is going to hit his credit limit. And so is the Fed. They can keep printing money till the cows come home but at some point no one will buy any Treasury debt except the Fed. That is when it will be game over.

Johnnyreb on December 17, 2013 at 11:27 AM

Lucky guy, he gets to stand next to the bombshell Patty Murray, maybe sneak a kiss. There’s something attractive for some men in a woman who looks so hot in a pants suit, check out that shape. hen there’s the intelligence, Murray is rumored to have a high IQ in the Democrat Party, around 70 or so, and she dresses herself also, awesome.
Kidding aside, what does this say about the state that elected this buffoon. And she isn’t the only one. Ah, Rep.Rosa DeLauro comes quickly to mind, ugly as hell and mad as a loon.

arand on December 17, 2013 at 11:27 AM

The Rs can Never again say that they care about the military. Done, out and over.

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2013 at 11:22 AM

The Ds too. I wrote both my Senators this morning and asked them why they hate military retirees. One of the bastards is up for re-election in November. All he’s said about Obamacare (which he voted for) is that he’s mad at the roll out. He’s said nothing about the budget deal.

Happy Nomad on December 17, 2013 at 11:29 AM

Yay!

And *then* the GOP Congress will vote overwhelmingly for amnesty, continue to expand the size of government, continue to increase government spending, will *not* repeal or defund Obamacare, etc., all the while telling us they just can’t do anything different until we elect Chris Christie as President… *then* they’ll really be able to do wonderful things – like still not repeal Obamacare, but rather remake it in their own image, continue to spend more and expand government, etc.

Won’t that be *wonderful*?

Midas on December 17, 2013 at 11:17 AM

Glad to see you’ve got the whole program figured out. /

Please explain how or why Republicans would pass an amnesty bill? What would they have to gain, electorally or “morally” from the Latinos? Nothing, nada, Zip. I just don’t see any viable motive for taking up this legislation.

Rovin on December 17, 2013 at 11:34 AM

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/366435/sometimes-being-pro-business-and-free-market-are-opposed-veronique-de-rugy

Business-friendly candidates — candidates who’ve been captured by business interests and are willing to direct government money toward private businesses – will benefit from the financial support of trade groups during the next election because of their support for the deal and because of the wrath they impose on those who fought the budget. There is another name for that: cronyism.

Unfortunately, we often overlook the crucial difference between being free-market and pro-business. Being free-market means creating favorable conditions for better and faster economic growth for all. Being pro-business, however, means creating favorable conditions for specific business interests, often at the expense of their consumers or competitors. This distinction is unfortunately often lost on Republicans who really should know better.

The only thing Obama and the Democrats would love more than a replay of October’s government shutdown, is a bloody, brutal Republican civil war over amnesty. That would be a huge distraction from Obamacare that the Washington media would happily promote.

kcewa on December 17, 2013 at 11:35 AM

Surprised the Burr didn’t cave too. He said he planned to vote for cloture. He’s a squish. I wonder what changed his mind.

kpguru on December 17, 2013 at 11:36 AM

While you’re at it, hunt down the survivors who implemented the theft and make them suffer.

Bishop on December 17, 2013 at 11:25 AM

Kind of an American Mossad?

Rovin on December 17, 2013 at 11:37 AM

Patty Murray is a very unattractive man.

Punchenko on December 17, 2013 at 11:37 AM

Yay!

And *then* the GOP Congress will vote overwhelmingly for amnesty, continue to expand the size of government, continue to increase government spending, will *not* repeal or defund Obamacare, etc., all the while telling us they just can’t do anything different until we elect Chris Christie as President… *then* they’ll really be able to do wonderful things – like still not repeal Obamacare, but rather remake it in their own image, continue to spend more and expand government, etc.

Won’t that be *wonderful*?

Midas on December 17, 2013 at 11:17 AM

Glad to see you’ve got the whole program figured out. /

Please explain how or why Republicans would pass an amnesty bill? What would they have to gain, electorally or “morally” from the Latinos? Nothing, nada, Zip. I just don’t see any viable motive for taking up this legislation.

Rovin on December 17, 2013 at 11:34 AM

Um, maybe you haven’t been paying attention. I don’t have to explain it; you think I’m making it up? You haven’t see McConnell, McCain, Boehner, Ryan, and more already *saying* they’re going to do it? Where is your disconnect from what *they* are overtly *saying*?

Hey – how about you ask *them* how or why they would pass it, what they’d have to gain electorally or “morally”? I’ve been saying the same thing – they’ll gain nothing, yet *they* are *TELLING YOU* that they’re going to do it. Don’t have to take my word for it.

Midas on December 17, 2013 at 11:39 AM

Please explain how or why Republicans would pass an amnesty bill? What would they have to gain, electorally or “morally” from the Latinos? Nothing, nada, Zip. I just don’t see any viable motive for taking up this legislation.

Rovin on December 17, 2013 at 11:34 AM

How about continuing to receive millions and millions of dollars in donations from the Chamber of Commerce and other business lobbies? They’re the ones who want amnesty now, and if the GOP Establishment won’t give it to them, they’ll have no problems pulling the rug out from under them and throwing that money at the Dems instead.

The Establishment may be stupid and spineless, but they surely know which side their bread is buttered on.

Gator Country on December 17, 2013 at 11:40 AM

Kind of an American Mossad?

Rovin on December 17, 2013 at 11:37 AM

Sure, or an official Maquis of some sort. I sincerely hope my kid’s generation goes looking for the responsible pols who foisted this crap on them and drags their dessicated husks into a dank prison somewhere and abandons them.

Bishop on December 17, 2013 at 11:42 AM

Please explain how or why Republicans would pass an amnesty bill? What would they have to gain, electorally or “morally” from the Latinos? Nothing, nada, Zip. I just don’t see any viable motive for taking up this legislation.

Rovin on December 17, 2013 at 11:34 AM

How about continuing to receive millions and millions of dollars in donations from the Chamber of Commerce and other business lobbies? They’re the ones who want amnesty now, and if the GOP Establishment won’t give it to them, they’ll have no problems pulling the rug out from under them and throwing that money at the Dems instead.

The Establishment may be stupid and spineless, but they surely know which side their bread is buttered on.

Gator Country on December 17, 2013 at 11:40 AM

Yes, the one thing the GOP excels at is pleasing Big Business and ensuring a steady supply of cheap labor.

Punchenko on December 17, 2013 at 11:44 AM

I just don’t see any viable motive for taking up this legislation.

Rovin on December 17, 2013 at 11:34 AM

And yet they WILL take it up. Interesting how that works.

rrpjr on December 17, 2013 at 11:45 AM

Surprised the Burr didn’t cave too. He said he planned to vote for cloture. He’s a squish. I wonder what changed his mind.

kpguru on December 17, 2013 at 11:36 AM

He probably just did the math and saw that Harry Reid was well above the 60 votes needed.

TarheelBen on December 17, 2013 at 11:49 AM

Patty Murray is a very unattractive man.

Punchenko on December 17, 2013 at 11:37 AM

And just think, with “her” you get a Twofer.

She’s got the Intellect of a Bowling Ball….

ToddPA on December 17, 2013 at 11:51 AM

Yes, the one thing the GOP excels at is pleasing Big Business and ensuring a steady supply of cheap labor.

Punchenko on December 17, 2013 at 11:44 AM

And they’re perfectly happy being a permanent minority party as long as the majority tosses enough scraps their way to maintain their perks and privileges.

Gator Country on December 17, 2013 at 11:51 AM

Midas on December 17, 2013 at 11:17 AM

Glad to see you’ve got the whole program figured out. /

Please explain how or why Republicans would pass an amnesty bill? What would they have to gain, electorally or “morally” from the Latinos? Nothing, nada, Zip. I just don’t see any viable motive for taking up this legislation.

Rovin on December 17, 2013 at 11:34 AM

Wanted: more taxes flowing into DC.

They amnesty illegal aliens, they expect they’ll get more taxes afterward.

I think it begins and ends there.

All the “we lub Hispanics” stuff is sheer political-courting.

Someone please explain to “Hispanics” that amnesty for illegal aliens is not synonymous with “Hispanic” or vice-versa.

I still don’t get the “gimme amnesty, I’m Hispanic. Because: Hispanic” stuff. I’d be insulted if that applied to me in any category but I’m always surprised that people are so dumb as to make that demand, that somehow “amnesty because Hispanic” makes any logical sense.

Once you raise taxes, as Congress has done and certainly as Obama and the DNC rest their gambles on, there have to be more taxpayers paying more taxes. Thus, explained, the reality behind “amnesty”.

Lourdes on December 17, 2013 at 11:52 AM

Midas on December 17, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Gator Country on December 17, 2013 at 11:40 AM

And you don’t think we can mount a serious campaign to put a stop to this? I write my Reps daily, (including our moron Speaker), about the folly of even daring to bring this legislation up. I agree with Gator, there’s “money” behind this, but exposure is the best defense going forward. Or, are we supposed to just capitulate/give up? I’m not ready concede this issue is lost.

Rovin on December 17, 2013 at 11:54 AM

I just don’t see any viable motive for taking up this legislation.

Rovin on December 17, 2013 at 11:34 AM

Stuffed pockets, cheap labor, and an eternal minority status, which they don’t mind one iota, so long as their pockets are stuffed.

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2013 at 11:55 AM

FOAD Repubs. I now effectively hate the GOP more than the Dems.

The only cuts you made were off the backs of Veterans, and you actually increased spending elsewhere. BRAVO f “in” idiots.

melle1228 on December 17, 2013 at 11:58 AM

Don’t have to take my word for it.

Midas on December 17, 2013 at 11:39 AM

Always watch what they do, not what they say:

obama
Rubio
Ryan
Boner
any RINO

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2013 at 11:58 AM

And you don’t think we can mount a serious campaign to put a stop to this? I write my Reps daily, (including our moron Speaker), about the folly of even daring to bring this legislation up. I agree with Gator, there’s “money” behind this, but exposure is the best defense going forward. Or, are we supposed to just capitulate/give up? I’m not ready concede this issue is lost.

Rovin on December 17, 2013 at 11:54 AM

Fine, but don’t pretend you haven’t heard *them* saying they’re going to do it, and giving *me* crap like I’m making it up and the notion that they’d even contemplate it is ridiculous (you know, ignoring the fact that they keep saying they’re going to).

Midas on December 17, 2013 at 12:05 PM

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