Breaking: Budget deal passes key test vote in the Senate, 67-33

posted at 10:31 am on December 17, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Passage was, of course, a foregone conclusion of holding the vote in the first place.  Thanks to the intricacies of Senate rules, the Paul Ryan-Patty Murray budget deal had to withstand a cloture vote to limit debate to 30 hours, which will allow the final floor vote to proceed before the Senate leaves for its Christmas recess.  If Harry Reid had any doubt about the prospects of a successful cloture vote, he would have waited longer to hold it.

That doesn’t mean the vote was uneventful:

McConnell and Rand Paul both voted against it, as did most Republicans who might face primary challenges next year — including John Cornyn. John McCain was among the Republicans voting for cloture, though, and he was joined by several others (including the recently-elected Orrin Hatch) to push the vote well past the 60-vote mark to 67-33. We’ll post the link to the final roll-call vote report when it becomes available.

In this case, the Senate went along with the public consensus, almost matching the vote to the percentages in the latest Washington Post-ABC News poll:

A majority of the public approves of the budget deal hashed out last week, according to a new poll.

An ABC-Washington Post poll released Tuesday found 50 percent approve of the agreement while 35 percent disapprove. The other 15 percent had no opinion of the deal.

Sixty-one percent of Democrats approve of it as well as 52 percent of independents. Republicans are split, as 39 percent approve of the deal while 36 percent disapprove. The rest are undecided.

There are grounds for dissent in this compromise, but the amplitude of the issues was at least kept to a dull roar.  Don’t expect a big fight over the debt ceiling, either, despite what Ryan suggested this week. Republicans will demand a concession or two, but it will be on the same scale as the concessions in this deal, if they get them at all. No one had the stomach to disrupt the markets with a game of chicken on the debt ceiling in 2011, or in October of this year, and the GOP certainly won’t want the distraction from ObamaCare next year. This is a clearing of the decks to force Democrats to run on ObamaCare in the midst of its destructive impact, and a way to avoid an obstructionist tag on a function that the American public clearly wants back on track. We’ll see whether this strategy pays off in the midterm elections.

Update: Chad Pergram reports on the 12 Republicans who joined all of the Democrats on the vote:

Not an at-risk seat among them. This is a clear case of managing the vote. Expect the other Republicans to highlight their opposition to cloture, but the budget deal will pass easily now.


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Most of the above if you’re smart; when this all collapses there won’t be lines of people waiting for soup, there will be herds of people taking the soup at gunpoint.

Your fellow citizens will trample each other to save $5 on a cheap waffle-iron at a Black Friday Walmart sale, think what they would be willing to do if they’re free-shiite card suddenly shows no balance and the fridge is empty.

Bishop on December 17, 2013 at 11:01 AM

Being well armed is certainly important. Hiding in the basement with a pile of freeze dried food? You’ll last about a day longer than the hoard rioting on the surface. Head to the country. Buy land. Buy animals. Learn how to farm off the grid and produce your own food. Anything else is a waste of time.

Farenht451 on December 17, 2013 at 12:16 PM

the Senate went along with the public consensus

Um? “Public Consensus” driven by information provided by the Lapdog Media?

A ridiculous farce.

socalcon on December 17, 2013 at 12:24 PM

One party government…they had no choice…the numbers.

d1carter on December 17, 2013 at 12:38 PM

I love these dumb*ss polls the Blogs quote.
50% approve of the deal and 35% disapprove.

Do an easy experiment. Ask 10 people you know what they think of the budget deal. Unless you hang around political junkies then 10 out of 10 will know nada about it.
I truly live in realsville and I can assure you that no one on the street has a strong opinion about this. If the GOP leadership was leading the charge against our runaway debt and framing the debate properly – like EMERGENCY! WE ARE DRIVING OFF THE CLIFF – something like that – then the poll numbers would be different.

So much stupid in quoting these polls that my jaw drops every time.

BoxHead1 on December 17, 2013 at 12:40 PM

Most Americans don’t even know that the Senate voted today…

d1carter on December 17, 2013 at 12:42 PM

Farenht451 on December 17, 2013 at 12:16 PM

And, I might add, a good cross-bow and compound bow with tons of arrows would be a prudent addition to your arsenal, (when the powder runs out).

Rovin on December 17, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Of interest:

bigbob posted this point at freerepublic re Ron Johnson:

Yeah, Sen. Ron Johnson is just the darling of the libs…!

Here’s how they evaluate his voting record:

Sen. Johnson’s Liberal Action Score: 0
The Liberal Action Score is calculated by compiling a series of measured liberal actions (both roll call voting and bill cosponsorship) in the 112th Congress and comparing Ron Johnson’s behavior against a liberal standard:

Respect for constitutional protections of American civil liberty
Transparency and public access in government
Equal treatment of people under law
The respect and pursuit of empirical knowledge through support for science and education
Protection of the Earth’s environmental richness
Strengthening of economic opportunity for all
Pursuit of peaceful solutions and opposition to militarism in policy

A score of 0 means that Senator Johnson has participated in 0% of our slate of liberal actions in the 112th

onlineanalyst on December 17, 2013 at 12:51 PM

Look – if the position is that the GOP had to do this in order to win elections and gain a majority in the Senate, doesn’t that mean that if the GOP gains the majority it has to do more of the same to keep the majority?

In other words, if this is the type of stuff the GOP believes it has to do to win elections, then it means the GOP never has any intent of doing anything conservative.

You can’t have it both ways. If the GOP is “doing the will of the people” by voting for this crap, then it will do the will of the people on every idiotic liberal idea out there – which usually poll well.

The GOP is not, and never was, conservative. it will only move rightward if its ability to win elections is threatened from the right. That will only happen if conservatives prove to the GOP that they will sit out an election.

Absent that, the GOP will always do what it has always done. Which is be the tax collector for liberalism. When in power, the GOP will help liberals consolidate their gains and allow all liberal idiocy to gain a bi-partisan veneer.

Monkeytoe on December 17, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Do an easy experiment. Ask 10 people you know what they think of the budget deal. Unless you hang around political junkies then 10 out of 10 will know nada about it.

BoxHead1

Yet these polls are what republicans use when deciding how they will vote, instead of doing what’s right. Basically it’s the blind leading the blind. But don’t worry, we just need to elect more republicans and THEN they’ll start doing things the right way, lol.

xblade on December 17, 2013 at 1:04 PM

Look – if the position is that the GOP had to do this in order to win elections and gain a majority in the Senate, doesn’t that mean that if the GOP gains the majority it has to do more of the same to keep the majority?

Monkeytoe

That is exactly what it means. They’re just hoping you’re too stupid to figure that out. And as the bend over specialists that frequent HotAir have shown, plenty of people are just that stupid.

xblade on December 17, 2013 at 1:07 PM

So proud of the AZ contingency…… not

cmsinaz on December 17, 2013 at 11:04 AM

Flake is nothing more than a rubber stamp for McCain.

bw222 on December 17, 2013 at 1:09 PM

I write my Reps daily, (including our moron Speaker), about the folly of even daring to bring this legislation up.

Rovin on December 17, 2013 at 11:54 AM

And yet they WILL bring it up. Interesting how that works.

rrpjr on December 17, 2013 at 1:22 PM

That is exactly what it means. They’re just hoping you’re too stupid to figure that out. And as the bend over specialists that frequent HotAir have shown, plenty of people are just that stupid.

xblade on December 17, 2013 at 1:07 PM

I have posted this on other threads and repeat it here:

I think we, as conservatives, need to sit out the next election.

The GOP believes two things:

1) conservatives will always vote for them regardless of what they do; and

2) even if #1 isn’t correct, they can win without conservatives.

Both of those notions must be disabused before the GOP will move right.

And, if the GOP doesn’t move right – then the GOP must be terminated.

I urge everyone who considers themselves a conservative to sit out the next election.

Yes, I know, we “have a good chance to win the Senate”. So what? What, exactly, do you believe that will get us?

I’m not offering “sit an election out” lightly. I’m offering it because it is the only way we will move the GOP right quickly enough to do any good (and I’m not talking about moving them to be as conservative as I am, I’m talking reasonably conservative here – which they currently are not).

Energy spent being loyal team players and electing who our betters tell us to has accomplished exactly what conservative goal?

When the GOP held the WH, Senate and House – did they reduce spending? No, they increased it. Did they reduce the size or scope of gov’t? No, they increased it. Did they get rid of any stupid federal agencies, programs, or statutes? No, they added to them.

And, since then, what has the GOP actually done? Capitulate. Say they will capitulate (McConnell just last week stated he did not intend to repeal Obamacare – only “fix” it). Say they will do really, really stupid things (amnesty). And just now, “compromise” away any potential for cutting spending or fixing entitlements (see Paul Ryan’s newest crowning achievement).

The GOP wants to be a Center-left party, just to the right of the DNC. Anyone who doesn’t believe this is an idiot. Actions count – not words. In elections, they tell us they are conservative. But they never act that way in office.

I challenge everyone to explain the conservative “victories” your blind loyalty to the GOP has produced. Pointing to some nominees not getting through does not suffice. Because one liberal nominee is stopped, doesn’t mean another liberal nominee – not as vocal – is not confirmed. These are illusory victories, with little meaning. They feel good but accomplish nothing.

Yes, if in control, the GOP will be slightly less liberal than the DNC. That is not the same thing, even remotely, as furthering any conservative goals. It is the opposite.

I am arguing to change the entire GOP’s thinking. Those who argue we shouldn’t sit out, but instead support a “conservative” challenger in a primary or support a “conservative” candidate in the general election are talking about making insignificant changes – rearranging deck chairs.

The GOP establishment (by which I mean incumbents, their staffs, the people working for the GOP, professional campaign people, and big money donors) easily works around the few true conservatives in its midst. Adding a few more here or there won’t change anything. We would have to replace at least 51% of GOP incumbents to change the GOP’s behavior. That is simply not possible. If we change 2 or 3 an election cycle, by the time we get near the 51% mark, the first 1/2 we put worked to elect will have been co-opted by the establishment, making us start all over. Incumbency is powerful, making challenges hard to begin with. Add to that most decent candidates don’t want to piss the party off – so don’t want to challenge, leaving us with a limited pool of potential challengers. Then add the power and organization of the GOP against independent challengers in multiple states, and we can never effect the change we need.

We thought challenging incumbents would change other GOP incumbent behavior. It didn’t. We’ve been working on changing the GOP for over 30 years. Where has it gotten us? Here. Exactly here. Everything wrong with the U.S. – the GOP had a hand in. Everything except Obamacare. Remember that.

The problem is that the party controls things.

As voting for a conservative democrat is counterproductive – because in reality that allegedly conservative democrat merely allows the liberal democrats to run things and push its agenda, voting for a “conservative” GOP candidate (and they all CLAIM to be conservative at election time) is counterproductive because it allows the GOP – which is not at all conservative – run the show.

So, we vote for a “conservative” GOP candidate. Someone who promises to be anti-amnesty, for cutting spending, for cutting the size and scope of gov’t, etc.

And let’s assume they stick to those guns and vote that way (very rare). But, they help the GOP form a majority. The GOP leadership than pushes a budget that increases spending, increases the size and scope of gov’t, and pushes amnesty and instead of repeal of Obamacare – pushes a “fix” of Obamacare.

And all of those things pass with majority republican votes.

What has your vote for a “conservative” GOP candidate accomplished?

And, even if we had, say, 40% of the incumbent GOP as true conservatives, the remainder would work with democrats to pass stuff – as they already do. For instance, this Ryan compromise will likely pass with more D votes than R votes – (so that R’s can go back and claim to be against it to their constituents and in primaries). That is the kind of party shenanigans I am talking about.

The reality is, the primary system doesn’t work. A) incumbency has too much power, b) the ones who win get co-opted 90% of the time by the establishment and c) for the most party, the establishment ignores, works around conservatives. Why do you think Mitch McConell and Jim DeMint hate each so much? Why do you think the GOP establishment people hate Cruz and call him names publicly? Why do you think Mitch McConnell and Boehner are publicly calling for the defeat of conservatives.

We have made some progress. . But it is very slow progress and we won’t shift the GOP right for over 50 years at this rate. In that 50 years, we will see the collapse of SS, collapse of various state and local pension systems, exploding debt, exploding Medicare, and Obamacare costs. And the GOP will do nothing about it – instead we will get the same B.S. we have received til now – more spending, more gimmicks, more entitlements and more gov’t.

Yes, in 75 years, if we work hard at it and challenge GOP incumbents here and there, etc., we will move the GOP right. But in 75 years it’ll probably be too late to do much good.

In the meantime, voting for the people who will pass amnesty, agree to Ryan’s ridiculous “compromise”, increase spending, increase the size and scope of gov’t, and have stated, repeatedly that they have no intention of actually repealing Obamacare (both Boehner and McConell have publicly stated this). Voting for these people will not “reform” the GOP, but empower it to continue behaving in this way.

Not voting and letting republicans lose will mean that the party must look at what it does and decide whether it will move right.

Think of it as “primarying” the entire party.

The reality is we have a 2 party system – that is unlikely to change. And none of the various third parties will win any time soon. So, voting for some third party will not do anything.

And, voting the “conservative” line won’t really do anything because 97% of the time, it’s just the GOP candidate.

And, in case you haven’t noticed, the party itself is fighting conservatives. The establishment is not conservative – never was (the GOP was not founded as and has never been a conservative party – it is merely a party with some conservatives in it and that is to the right of the DNC – that does not make the party conservative) and the current establishment people are unlikely to ever be ideologically conservative.

They don’t want to be conservative because they like gov’t and believe in gov’t and the big-money donors make lots of money off big gov’t. So they fight against conservatives and conservative influence on the party.

The only way to get them to toe the conservative line at all puts the fear of losing their jobs and their influence into them. The only way to do that shows them our voting power and that we WILL IN FACT use it by NOT voting for them.

They currently believe we (conservatives) will ultimately vote for them no matter what they do. And, the reality is, they have been right about this because we have done just that.

To change the dynamic, we have to prove they are not right about this – that conservatives are willing to sit out if they cross us.

As someone else said in a comment:

It demonstrates that the GOP *must* take the conservative base seriously, and behave more conservatively – even if it means they get walloped in an election – then it could be worth it.

Otherwise, going the route we’ve been going down for decades now – just reinforces to the GOP they *can* continue to be ‘liberal lite’, take conservatives for granted, and there is *no* reason for them to behave conservatively because they *can* continue to be squishes, giving the Dems what they want, and there will be *no* penalty for doing so.

Anyone who disagrees with this needs to explain how continuing to vote for the GOP – as we’ve done for decades – will suddenly result in something *different*, I’m afraid.

The only way to win the fight is to change the party. We will not change the party through constant support of the party despite its actions.

Voting for the GOP despite its behavior will not change the GOP. As an example – if a child does something wrong – do you reward the child for that behavior? If you do, you are fool because you are guarantying that behavior will continue. Well, the same is true with the GOP. If you reward the GOP by voting for it – you are incentivizing that same behavior in the future.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Voting for the GOP when the GOP is not remotely conservative and expecting them to act conservative fits well within the definition of insanity.

I’m seriously asking you to look at the GOP’s actions over the last 20 years and think rationally.

I realize that it goes against the grain to sit out and potentially allow the DNC to win. But, in reality, this is the only way we will change the GOP in our lifetimes. We have been trying to change the GOP through action, primaries, involvement, etc. for 30 years. And it has not happened.

Monkeytoe on December 17, 2013 at 1:23 PM

Yet these polls are what republicans use when deciding how they will vote, instead of doing what’s right. Basically it’s the blind leading the blind. But don’t worry, we just need to elect more republicans and THEN they’ll start doing things the right way, lol.

xblade on December 17, 2013 at 1:04 PM

They help push the polls in this direction. Most of what I see on TV, at the round table discussions, are GOP and DEM flacks telling us how important it is to make government “work” and how dangerous and unpopular a potential shutdown is. Of course the average citizen, who doesn’t have the energy or time to dig deep, just goes with the flow.

If JOhn Stewart, Nancy Pelosi and John Beohner are all saying that Cruz is a wacko and our debt isn’t a huge problem then of course the polls will lean left. But it’s not like Ed pretends. The opinions these poll tracks are very very soft. It’s not a strong opinion. it can be changed quickly. The man on the street is not some KOS activist. These bloggers pretend that polls are the written truth, the bible of politics but most of them don’t last a news cycle. Instant polls have destroyed rational political discourse because supposedly smart people take them seriously.

BoxHead1 on December 17, 2013 at 1:25 PM

BoxHead1 on December 17, 2013 at 1:25 PM

Most polls are a propaganda tool. A self fulfilling prophecy. All it would take is some pushback to change the numbers dramatically – that’s what they never tell you.

BoxHead1 on December 17, 2013 at 1:32 PM

2014 won’t be what you think…Boehner/Ryan/Cantor will pass amnesty in 2014 and Pelosi will earn in full her hammer…back to her claws in Jan. 2015. Mark it!

Schadenfreude

And then the usual idiot suspects will run around saying “See, we told you the shut down would kill us”, lol.

Please explain how or why Republicans would pass an amnesty bill? What would they have to gain, electorally or “morally” from the Latinos? Nothing, nada, Zip. I just don’t see any viable motive for taking up this legislation.

Rovin

Maybe you should ask Paul Ryan. And you’re right of course, they have nothing to gain at all really. If we were talking about rational folks, you’d have a point. Unfortunately, rationality left the building quite some time ago.

I urge everyone who considers themselves a conservative to sit out the next election.

Already there. I will not support a party that spends more time attacking conservatives than liberals, nor will I support a party that puts the needs of foreign citizens above the needs of Americans.

xblade on December 17, 2013 at 1:41 PM

I’m seriously asking you to look at the GOP’s actions over the last 20 years and think rationally.

I realize that it goes against the grain to sit out and potentially allow the DNC to win. But, in reality, this is the only way we will change the GOP in our lifetimes. We have been trying to change the GOP through action, primaries, involvement, etc. for 30 years. And it has not happened.

Monkeytoe on December 17, 2013 at 1:23 PM

More carcasses, all over the place. Your gonna need a bigger bulldozer monkeytoe.

WryTrvllr on December 17, 2013 at 2:16 PM

And, I might add, a good cross-bow and compound bow with tons of arrows would be a prudent addition to your arsenal, (when the powder runs out).

Rovin on December 17, 2013 at 12:45 PM

I don’t know if you were tongue and cheek on that, but more importantly, it’s quieter.

WryTrvllr on December 17, 2013 at 2:18 PM

It’s true that most people are uninformed about the budget deal, as they are about most details of most legislation and inside-baseball beltway stuff.

It is also true that informed people would be specific in criticisms of a proposal and show a better plan. This hasn’t been the case with the opposition to this bill. Not a single critic has suggested a better budget plan that would have a chance of getting Senate Democrats to agree. Or any plan at all, for that matter.

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In fact, the most often heard suggestions are that another shutdown is better! How STUPID do you have to be to suggest that? Bad enough to be stupid enough to think it was going to work in the first place with Cruz, you’d have to be a complete moron to want to try it again.

The only other alternative heard – and it isn’t really a counterproposal at all – is that sequester cuts shouldn’t be abandoned. Well, Einstein, you had your chance for that. It’s exactly what Boehner proposed in September, and Reid and Obama had agreed. Sequester would have been in place for another full year and the baselines going forward would have been permanently reduced.

But, no, you Sooper Geniuses didn’t want that, did you? You wanted a shutdown.

Well, you got what you wanted, Zippy. Now live with the consequences.

Adjoran on December 17, 2013 at 2:19 PM

oops. “tongue in” and “you’re”

That’s for anti-climactic, should he come to this thread too, and start seizing some more.

WryTrvllr on December 17, 2013 at 2:33 PM

It’s true that most people are uninformed about the budget deal, as they are about most details of most legislation and inside-baseball beltway stuff.

It is also true that informed people would be specific in criticisms of a proposal and show a better plan. This hasn’t been the case with the opposition to this bill. Not a single critic has suggested a better budget plan that would have a chance of getting Senate Democrats to agree. Or any plan at all, for that matter.

I love it when a good solid conservative like Ryan and the party loyalists here on this site resort to Pelosi arguments.

I don’t need to know the minutia of the bill to know it increases spending. Sorry – but you are an ass for making this argument. No amount of minutia contained in the bill will make up for the fact that they increased spending and got very, very, very, very, very little in return. Oh yeah, they also increased user fees. So they did not increase “taxes”, just “user fees”.

But, if we could just cite section 101, paragraph 7(a)(ii)(g) we would know that this bill is really, really conservative.

In fact, the most often heard suggestions are that another shutdown is better! How STUPID do you have to be to suggest that? Bad enough to be stupid enough to think it was going to work in the first place with Cruz, you’d have to be a complete moron to want to try it again.

Straw man alert!! We can’t ship all immigrants back to mexico, and the ONLY OTHER POSSIBILIBYT TO THE RYAN COMPROMISE IS A SHUT DOWN!!!!!! eleventy~!~~~

And, by the way, the shut down did not hurt the GOP. And, it made it clear that the GOP is against Obamacare more so than the GOP had done to that point, which helped when Obamacare imploded. So, in reality, despite all the handwringing, teh shut down was a net positive.

The only other alternative heard – and it isn’t really a counterproposal at all – is that sequester cuts shouldn’t be abandoned. Well, Einstein, you had your chance for that. It’s exactly what Boehner proposed in September, and Reid and Obama had agreed. Sequester would have been in place for another full year and the baselines going forward would have been permanently reduced.

But, no, you Sooper Geniuses didn’t want that, did you? You wanted a shutdown.

You are claiming that the GOP had to pass the Ryan compromise because of the shutdown? What, exactly, are you drinking there super-genius? You are making no sense whatsoever.

I get it, you think the shut down was bad and anyone who doesn’t support the GOP 100% no matter what they do aren’t as smart as you are. But at least try to make one coherent and honest point in your diatribe. You failed at that here.

Monkeytoe on December 17, 2013 at 3:32 PM

Another act of a two party evil money cult.

What you see is what you get.

They will come for more, then more, a lot more, and then all.

Lies kill.

Truth is life.

They have lots of lies, the truth lies barren before them.

They tax more, they spend more, they print fake money, they borrow more every hour.

Then they lie.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 17, 2013 at 7:59 PM

To know them is to know a lie.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 17, 2013 at 8:05 PM

…let it burn!

KOOLAID2 on December 17, 2013 at 10:25 PM

The uniparty republicrats strike again! This time cutting pensions for disabled and retired veterans, all so they can allow Obama to increase his out of control spending. Shame!

paulsur on December 17, 2013 at 11:38 PM

…let it burn!

KOOLAID2

“It” is the country. Don’t you have any patriotism?

V7_Sport on December 18, 2013 at 12:05 AM

“It” is the country. Don’t you have any patriotism?

V7_Sport on December 18, 2013 at 12:05 AM

Patriotism is now defined as voting GOP?

Stupid.

Monkeytoe on December 18, 2013 at 7:57 AM

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