Quotes of the day

posted at 10:31 pm on December 16, 2013 by Allahpundit

National Security Agency officials are considering a controversial amnesty that would return Edward Snowden to the United States, in exchange for the extensive document trove the whistleblower took from the agency…

The NSA official in charge of assessing the alleged damage caused by Snowden’s leaks, Richard Ledgett, told CBS News an amnesty still remains controversial within the agency, which has spent the past six months defending itself against a global outcry and legislative and executive proposals to restrain its broad surveillance activities.

“My personal view is, yes, it’s worth having a conversation about,” Ledgett, who is under consideration to become the agency’s top civilian, said in an interview slated to air Sunday evening on 60 Minutes. “I would need assurances that the remainder of the data could be secured, and my bar for those assurances would be very high. It would be more than just an assertion on his part.”

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The White House echoed a long-held position Monday: There will be no amnesty for Edward Snowden.

“Mr. Snowden is accused of leaking classified information and faces felony charges here in the United States,” said Caitlin Hayden, spokesperson for the National Security Council. “He should be returned to the U.S. as soon as possible, where he will be accorded full due process and protections.”

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American intelligence and law enforcement investigators have concluded that they may never know the entirety of what the former National Security Agency contractor Edward J. Snowden extracted from classified government computers before leaving the United States, according to senior government officials.

Investigators remain in the dark about the extent of the data breach partly because the N.S.A. facility in Hawaii where Mr. Snowden worked — unlike other N.S.A. facilities — was not equipped with up-to-date software that allows the spy agency to monitor which corners of its vast computer landscape its employees are navigating at any given time…

“They’ve spent hundreds and hundreds of man-hours trying to reconstruct everything he has gotten, and they still don’t know all of what he took,” a senior administration official said. “I know that seems crazy, but everything with this is crazy.”

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Amnesty? Have they lost their minds? Snowden is a traitor to his country, who is responsible for the most damaging theft and release of classified information in American history. His actions have exposed not only the NSA terrorist surveillance programs, but our intelligence collection efforts against foreign governments, including Russia and China. He has aided our enemies, shared intelligence with potential adversaries, and has damaged our ability to defend against future terrorist attacks. Maybe we offer him life in prison instead of a firing squad, but amnesty? That would be insanity…

If Edward Snowden can get amnesty after what he has done, then who could ever be prosecuted for any intelligence leak? How could we possibly pursue charges against leakers for individual disclosures, however damaging, when someone like Snowden is allowed to get away with the largest disclosure of critical intelligence in our history?

If anything, amnesty would encourage leakers to share more information. The lesson will be: if you leak, leak big and you can get away with it. The more damaging the disclosure the better your chances to get off scott free.

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“That kid was a genius among geniuses,” says the NSA staffer. “NSA is full of smart people, but anybody who sat in a meeting with Ed will tell you he was in a class of his own…I’ve never seen anything like it.”…

Snowden had been brought to Hawaii as a cybersecurity expert working for Dell’s services division but due to a problem with the contract was reassigned to become an administrator for the Microsoft intranet management system known as Sharepoint. Impressed with his technical abilities, Snowden’s managers decided that he was the most qualified candidate to build a new web front-end for one of its projects, despite his contractor status. As his coworker tells it, he was given full administrator privileges, with virtually unlimited access to NSA data. “Big mistake in hindsight,” says Snowden’s former colleague. “But if you had a guy who could do things nobody else could, and the only problem was that his badge was green instead of blue, what would you do?”…

Snowden’s superiors were so impressed with his skills that he was at one point offered a position on the elite team of NSA hackers known as Tailored Access Operations. He unexpectedly turned it down and instead joined Booz Allen to work at NSA’s Threat Operation Center…

Snowden’s former colleague says that he or she has slowly come to understand Snowden’s decision to leak the NSA’s files. “I was shocked and betrayed when I first learned the news, but as more time passes I’m inclined to believe he really is trying to do the right thing and it’s not out of character for him. I don’t agree with his methods, but I understand why he did it,” he or she says. “I won’t call him a hero, but he’s sure as hell no traitor.”

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Edward Snowden, the former security contractor who leaked a trove of National Security Agency documents, welcomed a court ruling on Monday that declared the bulk collection of Americans’ telephone records to be a likely violation of the US constitution.

Snowden said the ruling, by a US district judge, justified his disclosures. “I acted on my belief that the NSA’s mass surveillance programs would not withstand a constitutional challenge, and that the American public deserved a chance to see these issues determined by open courts,” he said in comments released through Glenn Greenwald, the former Guardian journalist who received the documents from Snowden.

“Today, a secret program authorised by a secret court was, when exposed to the light of day, found to violate Americans’ rights. It is the first of many,” said Snowden, whose statement was first reported by the New York Times.

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If Axe shows up be nice and try to take his mind off of his vaporware virtual girl friend.

SparkPlug on December 16, 2013 at 11:52 PM

Twisted Sister – Deck the Halls

jaime on December 16, 2013 at 11:53 PM

SparkPlug on December 16, 2013 at 11:52 PM

I’d wager RWM is just visiting family, or perhaps she’s hosting family for the holidays. :)

thatsafactjack on December 16, 2013 at 11:53 PM

I think the safest possible way for Snowden to return to America would be as a serious presidential candidate, hopefully a popular one with momentum if he can pull it off. If he’s not the slickest politician or policy wonk this can be an asset. He’ll be viewed as a principled champion of freedom and liberty willing to sacrifice everything for the good of his fellow Americans and the world. He’ll be an outsider taking on the corrupt, entrenched establishment lobbyists and their crony politicians in DC that have bankrupted America both financially and morally and have trampled on our rights. As a popular presidential candidate, if DC assassinates Snowden or give him a kangaroo trial and sends him to a gulag somewhere his popularity will only skyrocket, I think. If the ruling class chooses this path then a lot of sleepers will awaken and the ruling class will seriously regret it, I hope. Conversely, if they give him a fair trial I think it’s unlikely a jury will find him guilty of anything serious, especially if he is a popular presidential candidate and there is a firestorm surrounding his political persecution by the very fascists he exposed. And if they put him on trial I hope that Snowden has enough material memorized to return the favor and put the fascist survailance state on trial live on global TV. Not wanting their corruption exposed they’ll hold their kangaroo court in secret, which will only make the kangaroo nature of the trial all that more obvious to the world.

Snowden for President!

For Freedom and Liberty!

FloatingRock on December 16, 2013 at 11:54 PM

kcewa on December 16, 2013 at 11:51 PM

Okay, I know who Ray Price was, he was even kind of local.

But every time I think of “Faded Love”.

This comes to mind.

cozmo on December 16, 2013 at 11:55 PM

#69 Back in 1970, the total amount of debt in the United States (government debt + business debt + consumer debt, etc.) was less than 2 trillion dollars. Today it is over 56 trillion dollars.

Murphy9 on December 16, 2013 at 11:55 PM

Good evening, Paladin. :)

thatsafactjack on December 16, 2013 at 11:55 PM

If Axe shows up be nice and try to take his mind off of his vaporware virtual girl friend.

SparkPlug on December 16, 2013 at 11:52 PM

Heeheeheee…

Sorry… That was cold, Sparky…

PointnClick on December 16, 2013 at 11:56 PM

Guns ‘N Roses – White Christmas

jaime on December 16, 2013 at 11:56 PM

thatsafactjack on December 16, 2013 at 11:53 PM

Ok if you win the bet B9 will give you a pedi while I do your hair.

SparkPlug on December 16, 2013 at 11:57 PM

#48 When Barack Obama took office, the average duration of unemployment in this country was 19.8 weeks. Today, it is 37.2 weeks.

Murphy9 on December 16, 2013 at 11:58 PM

PointnClick on December 16, 2013 at 11:56 PM

Hehe. Sorry. That was mean, so mean.

SparkPlug on December 16, 2013 at 11:59 PM

So Obama promised you Amnesty if you came back & turned over all you stole…

Does THIS sound familiar:
- Obamacare won’t cost a dime…it will pay for itself…it will reduce the deficit…it will lower your health insurance cost…no death panels…no lost jobs…no lost health insurance… Benghazi WHO?!

..but YOU can trust him…

easyt65 on December 17, 2013 at 12:00 AM

I can’t wait to vote for Rand Paul come 2016.

Punchenko on December 17, 2013 at 12:00 AM

ObamaCare. Because focusing like a laser on the economy was just too boring.

SparkPlug on December 17, 2013 at 12:01 AM

If Axe shows up be nice and try to take his mind off of his vaporware virtual girl friend. SparkPlug on December 16, 2013 at 11:52 P

Is that even possible?

wolly4321 on December 17, 2013 at 12:01 AM

Wham! – Last Christmas

jaime on December 17, 2013 at 12:01 AM

He has aided our enemies, shared intelligence with potential adversaries, and has damaged our ability to defend against future terrorist attacks. Maybe we offer him life in prison instead of a firing squad, but amnesty? That would be insanity…

Best editorial about Barky I’ve seen in a while.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 17, 2013 at 12:02 AM

If Axe shows up be nice and try to take his mind off of his vaporware virtual girl friend. SparkPlug on December 16, 2013 at 11:52 P

He is in perma-graybarland.

Murphy9 on December 17, 2013 at 12:03 AM

wolly4321 on December 17, 2013 at 12:01 AM

Nope. Not while he is in possession of his brain.

#i just got an idea#

SparkPlug on December 17, 2013 at 12:03 AM

SparkPlug on December 16, 2013 at 11:52 P

Is that even possible?

wolly4321 on December 17, 2013 at 12:01 AM

Its either that or he stays Japanese.

For those who don’t already know.

If you need more help, look it up.

cozmo on December 17, 2013 at 12:03 AM

Cape Verde…and Evora…songs under a winter sun

thatsafactjack on December 17, 2013 at 12:05 AM

Bananarama – Baby It’s Christmas Time

jaime on December 17, 2013 at 12:07 AM

Still Got The Blues – Moore

I bid you all a fond goodnight. It’s been a pleasure, as always.

Live in the moment.

“Keep yourselves where the light is.”

thatsafactjack on December 17, 2013 at 12:07 AM

ObamaCare. Because focusing like a laser on the economy was just too boring.

SparkPlug on December 17, 2013 at 12:01 AM

Oh, oh! I want to play, too! :-)

ObamaCare: Like, who wants to be old and stuff?

ObamaCare: Third World charm with First World red tape.

ObamaCare: Because everyone — everyone — deserves to know you have hemorrhoids.

ObamaCare: Now serving #299,999,999… f*** it, here’s a band-aid.

Punchenko on December 17, 2013 at 12:07 AM

SHOCKER! Paglia finally pens an article I agree with 100%

thatsafactjack on December 17, 2013 at 12:03 AM

Surprised by reality. lol! (not you, but Pagila)

Murphy9 on December 17, 2013 at 12:08 AM

night jackie

Murphy9 on December 17, 2013 at 12:08 AM

SHOCKER! Paglia finally pens an article I agree with 100%

thatsafactjack on December 17, 2013 at 12:03 AM

Yeah, she’s starting to see civilization crumble around her and is not too thrilled.

Punchenko on December 17, 2013 at 12:09 AM

Good PA, I bet we can’t name one of us who’s become one of them.

Schadenfreude on December 16, 2013 at 11:48 PM

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Pondering on how to respond in a manner that makes the big picture clearer … rather than more of a puzzle box.

If you watch who I ignore over a period of time (as opposed to miss or don’t reply because other thing are going on at my end) – you’d be able to tell who I view as paid professionals.

There are other ‘tells’ … but it rapidly becomes something of interest to small community of people talking “inside baseball” trivia.

PolAgnostic on December 17, 2013 at 12:09 AM

Does anyone use Johnsons paste wax on cast iron machine Table tops? Is that carnuvo wax?

SparkPlug on December 17, 2013 at 12:11 AM

Bob and Doug McKenzie – 12 Days of Christmas

jaime on December 17, 2013 at 12:12 AM

thatsafactjack on December 17, 2013 at 12:07 AM

‘Nite, Jax

jaime on December 17, 2013 at 12:13 AM

ObamaCare: Third World charm with First World red tape.

Punchenko on December

Ok that’s a good one. Funny

SparkPlug on December 17, 2013 at 12:13 AM

ObamaCare: It helps to understand thick accents.

ObamaCare: Reuniting the living with the deceased.

ObamaCare: Life is hard, why go through it?

Punchenko on December 17, 2013 at 12:13 AM

Is that even possible?

wolly4321 on December 17, 2013 at 12:01 AM


Only
if we can keep him distracted while SparkPlug uses a set of Youtube videos with subliminal re-programming messages buried in them
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so ….. No

PolAgnostic on December 17, 2013 at 12:13 AM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on December 17, 2013 at 12:13 AM

SHOCKER! Paglia finally pens an article I agree with 100%

thatsafactjack on December 17, 2013 at 12:03 AM

Money quote from above:

After the next inevitable apocalypse, men will be desperately needed again! Oh, sure, there will be the odd gun-toting Amazonian survivalist gal, who can rustle game out of the bush and feed her flock, but most women and children will be expecting men to scrounge for food and water and to defend the home turf. Indeed, men are absolutely indispensable right now, invisible as it is to most feminists, who seem blind to the infrastructure that makes their own work lives possible. It is overwhelmingly men who do the dirty, dangerous work of building roads, pouring concrete, laying bricks, tarring roofs, hanging electric wires, excavating natural gas and sewage lines, cutting and clearing trees, and bulldozing the landscape for housing developments. It is men who heft and weld the giant steel beams that frame our office buildings, and it is men who do the hair-raising work of insetting and sealing the finely tempered plate-glass windows of skyscrapers 50 stories tall.

Every day along the Delaware River in Philadelphia, one can watch the passage of vast oil tankers and towering cargo ships arriving from all over the world. These stately colossi are loaded, steered, and off-loaded by men. The modern economy, with its vast production and distribution network, is a male epic, in which women have found a productive role—but women were not its author. Surely, modern women are strong enough now to give credit where credit is due!

Pardon me while I scratch my nuts, Camille…

PointnClick on December 17, 2013 at 12:14 AM

thatsafactjack on December 17, 2013 at 12:07 AM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on December 17, 2013 at 12:15 AM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on December 17, 2013 at 12:13 AM

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Howdy stranger, how’s the warning of GOPe betrayal business?

PolAgnostic on December 17, 2013 at 12:15 AM

[easyt65 on December 17, 2013 at 12:00 AM]

That’s certainly part of the reason an offer of amnesty is going nowhere, but it’s idiotic to make the offer based on an action one couldn’t possibly verify, and there is no way the NSA could verify that he’s moved everything back to the US or that he’s returned all the copies.

And Snowden wouldn’t do it without cheating on the deal by keeping a copy or two for protection and he’d have to make that known in order to deter getting offed by the Feds Which means there could never be a deal.

This is why I think it’s a ruse. The NSA threw it out there to see if it creates any action at all — a phone call, a text message, a webpage visit, — which might add information on what the NSA doesn’t yet know.

Dusty on December 17, 2013 at 12:16 AM

Dead or Alive – Blue Christmas

jaime on December 17, 2013 at 12:17 AM

The D man is here. That could also mean Dave.

SparkPlug on December 17, 2013 at 12:17 AM

ObamaCare: Walk towards the light.

ObamaCare: You will meet Jesus or your money back*.

* We’re keeping the money.

Punchenko on December 17, 2013 at 12:17 AM

Dire Straits on December 17, 2013 at 12:13 AM

Good evening … clearly I’m up way too late ;-)

gh on December 17, 2013 at 12:18 AM

PointnClick on December 17, 2013 at 12:14 AM

How gracious of you.

thatsafactjack on December 17, 2013 at 12:19 AM

Not in a million years. Let’s see how he enjoys Russia after he outlives his propaganda value to Putin.

Most of what has been released has nothing to do with potentially illegal spying on citizens, it is foreign intelligence which endangers the security of the United States.

Snowden should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, as should any accomplices.

Adjoran on December 17, 2013 at 12:19 AM

Okay, I know who Ray Price was, he was even kind of local.

But every time I think of “Faded Love”.

This comes to mind.

cozmo on December 16, 2013 at 11:55 PM

Heh

kcewa on December 17, 2013 at 12:20 AM

Squeeze – Christmas Day

jaime on December 17, 2013 at 12:20 AM

Dire Straits on December 17, 2013 at 12:13 AM

Good evening, Dire. :)

You caught me just as I was on my way out the door.

I hope you have a wonderful evening. See you soon. :)

thatsafactjack on December 17, 2013 at 12:21 AM

Good Evening/Night J.

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2013 at 12:25 AM

Depeche Mode – Christmas Island

jaime on December 17, 2013 at 12:25 AM

ObamaCare: Reuniting the living with the deceased.

Punchenko on December 17, 2013 at 12:13 AM

This is bumper sticker material. But don’t drive by the White House with it or you may be shot with a hail of bullets.

VorDaj on December 17, 2013 at 12:26 AM

J., I’m so sorry. I missed your Paladin/Armstrong post. Thank you so much. In Hell, I’ll have lunch with him :)

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2013 at 12:28 AM

Snowden vs NSA

kcewa on December 17, 2013 at 12:28 AM

In Hell, I’ll have lunch with him :)

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2013 at 12:28 AM

My next link to a Christmas song is for you.

jaime on December 17, 2013 at 12:30 AM

How gracious of you.

thatsafactjack on December 17, 2013 at 12:19 AM

That’s just me bein’ me, Jackie…

“Suave” is my middle name… LOL

PointnClick on December 17, 2013 at 12:30 AM

Spinal Tap – Christmas with the Devil

jaime on December 17, 2013 at 12:31 AM

thatsafactjack on December 17, 2013 at 12:21 AM

Sorry I missed you..See you soon..:):)

Dire Straits on December 17, 2013 at 12:33 AM

ObamaCare: Where English is always a second language!

Punchenko on December 17, 2013 at 12:34 AM

The Waitresses – Christmas Wrapping

jaime on December 17, 2013 at 12:37 AM

ObamaCare: Come experience health care like our Founding Fathers, Mothers, and Special Uncles!

Punchenko on December 17, 2013 at 12:41 AM

Hanoi Rocks – Dead By X-Mas

jaime on December 17, 2013 at 12:41 AM

gh on December 17, 2013 at 12:18 AM

Good evening..Hope you are having a great Holiday season.:)

Dire Straits on December 17, 2013 at 12:41 AM

Another QOTD – another allahpundit “Squirrel!!”-Facilitating set of choices…….

THERRRRE Ya Go, Man – DON’T Look Behind The Curtain where Obama is Working The “Distraction” Levers……

williamg on December 17, 2013 at 12:43 AM

Anybody ever heard of v7 sport before?

wolly4321 on December 16, 2013 at 11:22 PM

…sorry!…was watching the Detroit Lions lose again!
……..v7 was around in the end of 2012… November/December…and rarely after that….last seen in middle of June…then quiet… until now! ….seems busy with his own site.

KOOLAID2 on December 17, 2013 at 12:44 AM

ObamaCare: Brought to you by the very same government that can’t get bottled water and baloney sandwiches to fuggin’ New Jersey in three weeks.

PointnClick on December 17, 2013 at 12:38 AM

Would That Be: Krispy Kreme and his Vaudevillian Sidekick” Joe-Blaama?

williamg on December 17, 2013 at 12:45 AM

Pretenders – Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas

jaime on December 17, 2013 at 12:47 AM

but it rapidly becomes something of interest to small community of people talking “inside baseball” trivia.

PolAgnostic on December 17, 2013 at 12:09 AM

Exhibit – rickyricardo signed up for obama’care’ and lauded himself with how cool life is for “us” having to pay for his life’s pleasures and needs.

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2013 at 12:47 AM

Sodade

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2013 at 12:49 AM

jaime on December 17, 2013 at 12:31 AM

Good evening..Hope you are having a great Holiday season..:)

Dire Straits on December 17, 2013 at 12:49 AM

Thank you so much, jaime :)

You play good music.

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2013 at 12:49 AM

Hi Dire, also for last night :)

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2013 at 12:50 AM

Sheena Easton – It’s Christmas All Over The World

jaime on December 17, 2013 at 12:52 AM

ObamaCare: Using the healing power laughter because we’re fresh out of doctors.

Punchenko on December 17, 2013 at 12:52 AM

*“Christmas With Gisele”….

…….one “L”….

williamg on December 17, 2013 at 12:52 AM

Good evening..Hope you are having a great Holiday season..:)

Dire Straits on December 17, 2013 at 12:49 AM

Quite excellent, thank you.

And you?

jaime on December 17, 2013 at 12:53 AM

ObamaCare: He’s dead, Jim. Ha! Just kidding! But no, seriously, you will hear that a lot during your visit to the hospital.

Punchenko on December 17, 2013 at 12:53 AM

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2013 at 12:49 AM

Thanks, Schadenfreude. I’m doing Christmas songs from the 80s tonight.

jaime on December 17, 2013 at 12:55 AM

Hall and Oates – Jingle Bell Rock

jaime on December 17, 2013 at 12:56 AM

Good evening..Hope you are having a great Holiday season.:)

Dire Straits on December 17, 2013 at 12:41 AM

I gave up on Christmas years ago.

Here’s something I posted a few nights ago: Babe Ruth – The Mexican … lyrics are vaguely about the Alamo.

gh on December 17, 2013 at 12:58 AM

ObamaCare: Maybe you should go see a vet and get a second opinion.

Punchenko on December 17, 2013 at 12:58 AM

Joan Jett and the Blackhearts – Little Drummer Boy

jaime on December 17, 2013 at 1:01 AM

Sometimes even the stache loses it.

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2013 at 1:04 AM

Ramones – Merry Christmas (I Don’t Want To Fight Tonight)

jaime on December 17, 2013 at 1:05 AM

obama’care’

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2013 at 1:06 AM

Obamacare: I love you

Murphy9 on December 17, 2013 at 1:07 AM

ObamaCare: He’s dead, Jim. Ha! Just kidding! But no, seriously, you will hear that a lot during your visit to the hospital.

Punchenko on December 17, 2013 at 12:53 AM

“He’s Dead, Jim!”……

williamg on December 17, 2013 at 1:07 AM

‘Nite All

jaime on December 17, 2013 at 1:08 AM

gh on December 17, 2013 at 12:58 AM

Vegood tune.You are a master at finding older obscure music..:)

Dire Straits on December 17, 2013 at 1:09 AM

Pogues – Fairytale of New York

Nice tune jaime :)

Murphy9 on December 17, 2013 at 1:09 AM

Nite jaime

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2013 at 1:12 AM

Vegood tune.You are a master at finding older obscure music..:)

Dire Straits on December 17, 2013 at 1:09 AM

Friend in high school had the album … we were deep purple freaks.

gh on December 17, 2013 at 1:15 AM

gh on December 17, 2013 at 12:58 AM

Very good tune.You are a master at finding older obscure music..:)

Dire Straits on December 17, 2013 at 1:09 AM

Sorry..Fixed..:)

Dire Straits on December 17, 2013 at 1:19 AM

Friend in high school had the album … we were deep purple freaks.

gh on December 17, 2013 at 1:15 AM

I hear you..Nothing wrong with that..:)

Dire Straits on December 17, 2013 at 1:20 AM

Lightnin’ Hopkins – Santa

kcewa on December 17, 2013 at 1:20 AM

Fixed link for williamg

Murphy9 on December 17, 2013 at 1:22 AM

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