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posted at 10:31 pm on December 16, 2013 by Allahpundit

National Security Agency officials are considering a controversial amnesty that would return Edward Snowden to the United States, in exchange for the extensive document trove the whistleblower took from the agency…

The NSA official in charge of assessing the alleged damage caused by Snowden’s leaks, Richard Ledgett, told CBS News an amnesty still remains controversial within the agency, which has spent the past six months defending itself against a global outcry and legislative and executive proposals to restrain its broad surveillance activities.

“My personal view is, yes, it’s worth having a conversation about,” Ledgett, who is under consideration to become the agency’s top civilian, said in an interview slated to air Sunday evening on 60 Minutes. “I would need assurances that the remainder of the data could be secured, and my bar for those assurances would be very high. It would be more than just an assertion on his part.”

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The White House echoed a long-held position Monday: There will be no amnesty for Edward Snowden.

“Mr. Snowden is accused of leaking classified information and faces felony charges here in the United States,” said Caitlin Hayden, spokesperson for the National Security Council. “He should be returned to the U.S. as soon as possible, where he will be accorded full due process and protections.”

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American intelligence and law enforcement investigators have concluded that they may never know the entirety of what the former National Security Agency contractor Edward J. Snowden extracted from classified government computers before leaving the United States, according to senior government officials.

Investigators remain in the dark about the extent of the data breach partly because the N.S.A. facility in Hawaii where Mr. Snowden worked — unlike other N.S.A. facilities — was not equipped with up-to-date software that allows the spy agency to monitor which corners of its vast computer landscape its employees are navigating at any given time…

“They’ve spent hundreds and hundreds of man-hours trying to reconstruct everything he has gotten, and they still don’t know all of what he took,” a senior administration official said. “I know that seems crazy, but everything with this is crazy.”

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Amnesty? Have they lost their minds? Snowden is a traitor to his country, who is responsible for the most damaging theft and release of classified information in American history. His actions have exposed not only the NSA terrorist surveillance programs, but our intelligence collection efforts against foreign governments, including Russia and China. He has aided our enemies, shared intelligence with potential adversaries, and has damaged our ability to defend against future terrorist attacks. Maybe we offer him life in prison instead of a firing squad, but amnesty? That would be insanity…

If Edward Snowden can get amnesty after what he has done, then who could ever be prosecuted for any intelligence leak? How could we possibly pursue charges against leakers for individual disclosures, however damaging, when someone like Snowden is allowed to get away with the largest disclosure of critical intelligence in our history?

If anything, amnesty would encourage leakers to share more information. The lesson will be: if you leak, leak big and you can get away with it. The more damaging the disclosure the better your chances to get off scott free.

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“That kid was a genius among geniuses,” says the NSA staffer. “NSA is full of smart people, but anybody who sat in a meeting with Ed will tell you he was in a class of his own…I’ve never seen anything like it.”…

Snowden had been brought to Hawaii as a cybersecurity expert working for Dell’s services division but due to a problem with the contract was reassigned to become an administrator for the Microsoft intranet management system known as Sharepoint. Impressed with his technical abilities, Snowden’s managers decided that he was the most qualified candidate to build a new web front-end for one of its projects, despite his contractor status. As his coworker tells it, he was given full administrator privileges, with virtually unlimited access to NSA data. “Big mistake in hindsight,” says Snowden’s former colleague. “But if you had a guy who could do things nobody else could, and the only problem was that his badge was green instead of blue, what would you do?”…

Snowden’s superiors were so impressed with his skills that he was at one point offered a position on the elite team of NSA hackers known as Tailored Access Operations. He unexpectedly turned it down and instead joined Booz Allen to work at NSA’s Threat Operation Center…

Snowden’s former colleague says that he or she has slowly come to understand Snowden’s decision to leak the NSA’s files. “I was shocked and betrayed when I first learned the news, but as more time passes I’m inclined to believe he really is trying to do the right thing and it’s not out of character for him. I don’t agree with his methods, but I understand why he did it,” he or she says. “I won’t call him a hero, but he’s sure as hell no traitor.”

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Edward Snowden, the former security contractor who leaked a trove of National Security Agency documents, welcomed a court ruling on Monday that declared the bulk collection of Americans’ telephone records to be a likely violation of the US constitution.

Snowden said the ruling, by a US district judge, justified his disclosures. “I acted on my belief that the NSA’s mass surveillance programs would not withstand a constitutional challenge, and that the American public deserved a chance to see these issues determined by open courts,” he said in comments released through Glenn Greenwald, the former Guardian journalist who received the documents from Snowden.

“Today, a secret program authorised by a secret court was, when exposed to the light of day, found to violate Americans’ rights. It is the first of many,” said Snowden, whose statement was first reported by the New York Times.

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CoffeeLover on December 16, 2013 at 10:32 PM

No amnesty

Murphy9 on December 16, 2013 at 10:33 PM

Obligatory

nobar on December 16, 2013 at 10:35 PM

0bama will cave.

Snowden will get amnesty.

cozmo on December 16, 2013 at 10:36 PM

Steal away to France, live like a French diplomat in New York City.

Jeddite on December 16, 2013 at 10:36 PM

“Man was matter, that was Snowden’s secret. Drop him out a window and he’ll fall. Set fire to him and he’ll burn. Bury him and he’ll rot, like other kinds of garbage. The spirit gone, man is garbage.”
Yossarian

Murphy9 on December 16, 2013 at 10:36 PM

Re-post :(

Ray Price dies at 87

Much Too Young To Die – Ray Price

“final message” to his fans: “I love my fans and have devoted my life to reaching out to them. I appreciate their support all these years, and I hope I haven’t let them down. I am at peace. I love Jesus. I’m going to be just fine. Don’t worry about me. I’ll see you again one day.”

kcewa on December 16, 2013 at 10:37 PM

I would have called him a whistleblower; until he went to a foreign nation…now I would call him a traitor to our great nation.

No amnesty.

None.

herm2416 on December 16, 2013 at 10:39 PM

…nope!

KOOLAID2 on December 16, 2013 at 10:43 PM

They seem to have little idea of what he’s got, but at the same time are very afraid he’s got a whole lot on them.

VorDaj on December 16, 2013 at 10:48 PM

This court ruling proves he was wrong to run.

kcewa on December 16, 2013 at 10:48 PM

I say, meh. Amnesty or not, doesn’t matter. Snowden is a douche not an idiot. If he’s offered “amnesty” and actually believes it then he’s officially the dumbest individual of the 21st century, and this is a century that has so far included the likes of Kim Kardashian, Barack Obama, and people who don’t understand Chinese getting Chinese tattoos. That is to say, even if Snowden received amnesty for whatever espionage and treason charges he faces for what he did, he’d still be arrested the moment he arrived in the country for smuggling the weapons-grade level of stupid one has to be to believe anything this administration offers.

He’s a Muscovite now. Only Putin will be robbing him of liberty from now on.

Gingotts on December 16, 2013 at 10:51 PM

No amnesty whatsoever for the anti-American, anti-American people, anti-Constitution, anti-Liberty, anti-natural Rights and anti-Founding Fathers criminals at the N-STASI-A and there overlords including President Pinocchio. May they have nightmares of Nuremberg every single night.

VorDaj on December 16, 2013 at 10:52 PM

This is tearing his family apart, and from what I hear that’s a bad thing, so he must get amnesty.

/sarc

xblade on December 16, 2013 at 10:54 PM

If Snowden accepts amnesty, gives back all the intel and returns to the USA…he’s not nearly as smart as people say he is.

He’d be an absolute fool to trust the d’ohbama regime…with his life.

Solaratov on December 16, 2013 at 10:54 PM

Solaratov on December 16, 2013 at 10:54 PM

Oh, he will get a huuuge payday.

cozmo on December 16, 2013 at 10:56 PM

He’ll get “disappeared”.

KCB on December 16, 2013 at 10:57 PM

You don’t offer a Snowden amnesty. First, he’s too smart to accept it, since he knows that a year or so later, he will be dead, his death likely framed as a suicide in his garage (carbon monoxide, from a motor running) or a bullet to the brain, his fingerprints on the pistol.

No, you give him $10 million and the promise that should any additional information come out, he and everyone in his family will be killed within 24 hours of same.

Carrot and stick.

Then again, the geniuses in charge today have no concept of dealing with such things. They are so focused on themselves and their own survival, that saving the country from such a scoundrel as Snowden, and I’m convinced that what he has is devastating, means nothing to them.

Teenagers in charge of a country. That’s what we got.

TXUS on December 16, 2013 at 10:58 PM

Snowden is not spying on my phone calls, emails and credit card statements, and anything else some sick twisted pervert can think of, treating me like a criminal serf who can never be proven innocent It’s the anti-American abomination National Spy Agency that’s doing that.

Either the NSA dies or America does.
“In the end, there can be only one”.
The NSA is as incompatible with America as is Islam and for many of the same reasons.

Wake up stupid and zombie sheeple! Snowden shouldn’t even be the issue here, only a footnote.
Do you want to live as Lions and Foxes or bowed down Mice and Sheep ?

When a government becomes so totalitarian that it sets to spying, and in mass and in great detail, on it’s own people like they were all subjects, if not criminals, it is not doing so on their behalf. Only the most mindless of sheeple could think so. The Stasi wasn’t in East German and the N-Stasi-A isn’t in America. And this is on top of the TSA/Gropestapo molesting little girls and grandmas at our airports and largely giving middle easterners a pass. I don’t think the federal government has stopped a single attack, and has caused quite a number (Fort Hood, Boston, Benghazi, Navy Shipyard, Mexican invaders who kill so many and most every day), with their gross willful dereliction. I don’t care how many times Herr Hussein Obama and other N-Stasi-A supporters and apologists and lackeys tell me that’s Holy Water they are spraying on my leg to keep me safe, I know that it’s something very different – and it smells to high Heaven. If there were justice in the world, Snowden would be living it up in the White House and Obama and his N-Stasi-A criminals would be in hiding, maybe somewhere in North Korea, in a dark cave. subsisting on grass.

The NSA and all it’s just following orders bought and paid for employes can go straight to Hell..

VorDaj on December 16, 2013 at 10:58 PM

TXUS on December 16, 2013 at 10:58 PM

Texans is kind of smart.

cozmo on December 16, 2013 at 11:00 PM

How do new concern trolls show up? That I have never heard of in the years I’ve been coming here?

They just pop up, from nowhere.

wolly4321 on December 16, 2013 at 11:01 PM

No, you give him $10 million and the promise that should any additional information come out, he and everyone in his family will be killed within 24 hours of same.

TXUS on December 16, 2013 at 10:58 PM

That’s what a Hitler or Stalin or Mao or Kim or Mugabe would do. Has American fallen that far?

VorDaj on December 16, 2013 at 11:02 PM

VorDaj on December 16, 2013 at 10:58 PM

Well said, and I agree…

Scrumpy on December 16, 2013 at 11:03 PM

wolly4321 on December 16, 2013 at 11:01 PM

AP grows them in his basement.

To be brought out when needed.

Ever seen the original “The Thing”?

cozmo on December 16, 2013 at 11:04 PM

The NSA is spying on everyone, remember? Constitution out the window? “Oversight” nonexistent? Lying to Congress with impunity? Does any of that ring a bell?

David Blue on December 16, 2013 at 11:05 PM

VorDaj on December 16, 2013 at 11:02 PM

Thanks for the compliment.

TXUS on December 16, 2013 at 11:07 PM

Attention passengers! Welcome to the fundamentally transformed U.S. of A. As you work your way through the current state of America, for you own safety please make sure that any inconvenient facts and associated criticisms are stored neatly within yourself. Otherwise, Pharaoh Hussein Louie Obamalini , the IRS SS, the BIG STASI NSA, and the dedicated Gropestapo, and if necessary the ever expanding DroneForce, will come to help you reorder your priorities. You are welcome to file a complain via the soon to be Islamic regulated Internet. We apologize if your federal officials cannot respond to every inquiry. They may merely be previously committed to representing other more lucrative interests more relevant to their own pocketbooks and their own secrecy. And as always, have a nice day and think happy thoughts as because of your wonderful and caring government you are safe and protected and all of your thinking is being done for you.

Cheshire Cat on December 16, 2013 at 11:07 PM

A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague. -
Marcus Tullius Cicero

VorDaj on December 16, 2013 at 11:11 PM

He is not welcome here. He can enjoy his chosen life in Russia.

thebrokenrattle on December 16, 2013 at 11:11 PM

Evenin’
No amnesty. None. Bupkus. Zero. Nadda.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 16, 2013 at 11:15 PM

thebrokenrattle on December 16, 2013 at 11:11 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on December 16, 2013 at 11:15 PM

Realpolitik folks. Everybody (in power) wants this to go away.

cozmo on December 16, 2013 at 11:17 PM

Where is this “establishment” It’s just a straw man used to herd the gullible. V7_Sport on December 16, 2013 at 10:39 PM

M’kay.

wolly4321 on December 16, 2013 at 11:18 PM

Only Putin will be robbing him of liberty from now on.

Gingotts on December 16, 2013 at 10:51 PM

I believe Putin gave Snowden refuge for unknowingly giving Putin the greatest intelligence coup of ALL time.

The ability to blackmail the President of the United States of America.

Paraphrasing my own comment from Saturday’s post:

I’ve documented the FISA court document as the “proof of mole” enough times on here over the last 6 months I won’t repeat the exercise.

As the “excuse du jour, week, month” have come along from ‘anonymous sources’, I’ve pointed out the increasing level of desperation associated with each – now Snowden was “a genius among geniuses” while at the same time “the facility in Hawaii was not equipped with up-to-date software that allows the spy agency to monitor which corners of its vast computer landscape its employees are navigating at any given time”.

(My personal favorite was the one from a few months back when the ‘sources’ claimed he had talked dozens of people with MUCH higher security levels than he had into giving him their passwords – I mean who HASN’T ended up giving their bank account number to a Nigerian prince, right???)

If you need to delude yourself badly enough to believe this is a one person job?

You should be working in the Kneepad Media helping to sell that shite.

But after the “We must capitulate to Iran” settlement sought so urgently by Kerry on behalf of Obama …

… one other fact came shining through given the open betrayal of the Israelis and the Saudis – Putin can PROVE who the mole in the Obama administration is for the FISA-level Snowden data.

What Snowden did or did not take into Russia pales in comparison if during the “Russian investigastion” while he was “at the airport but no one could find him”, he directly or indirectly revealed WHO provided the FISA-level data.

(Remember, that one document was ONLY available to 30 – 40 people in the entire world.)

The Obama administration, indeed – Obama himself, has been compromised by the Putin.

Obama will SURRENDER on ANYTHING before risking the PROOF of the mole’s identity being made public.

Which means the mole is someone VERY close personally to Obama.

Someone he CAN’T distance himself from.
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Scared shitless, yet?

Snowden? Amnesty?

Is it possible Putin has the proof of high level treason and Obama doesn’t?

PolAgnostic on December 16, 2013 at 11:18 PM

I’m delighted that CoffeeLover got a Bish. She is a nice person and deserves to have a shop vac at least as big as Kens tiny one gallon model that can’t pick up very much.

SparkPlug on December 16, 2013 at 11:19 PM

Why Does It Always Rain On Me – Travis

thatsafactjack on December 16, 2013 at 11:19 PM

ObamaCare. Because you really love socking your children with your medical bills.

SparkPlug on December 16, 2013 at 11:20 PM

How do new concern trolls show up? That I have never heard of in the years I’ve been coming here?

They just pop up, from nowhere.

wolly4321 on December 16, 2013 at 11:01 PM

Yeah, go figure.

Midas on December 16, 2013 at 11:20 PM

Twerps favorite breakfast cereal shall remain a mystery until some hottie flashes her boobs.

SparkPlug on December 16, 2013 at 11:21 PM

Anybody ever heard of v7 sport before?

wolly4321 on December 16, 2013 at 11:22 PM

Ray Price Heartaches by the Number

kcewa on December 16, 2013 at 11:24 PM

The CIA and FBI (and likely the NSA too) knew of the suspicious activity of the Boston bombers, of Major Hasan and of Anwar al-Awlaki and yet they did nothing to stop or even lessen their violence. The FBI is said to be carefully avoiding monitoring mosques and scrupulously avoiding any focus at all on Middle Eastern male Muslims, even though Middle Eastern male Muslims have been involved in the vast majority of terrorist plots and attacks. All throughout the Federal Government, including the military, any references or training connecting Islam in any way to terrorism is being systematically purged. They avoid monitoring any hate spewing and violence inciting mosque like the plague.

All of which proves the Federal government is not even looking for terrorists. It’s like someone telling you they are fishing for salmon but they refuse to go within a hundred miles of any body of water. Their lies would be absolutely hilarious in their absurdity if not so tragic.

Who is ObamaZod’s NSA Stasi spying on with little short of a proctology exam? You! Not Terrorists. Look at who ObamaZod’s IRS Gestapo went after. Followers of Mohammad? No. Followers of the Founding Fathers.

As Barry Goldwater said about “the end justifies the means” (and it’s not even like all this totalitarian crap is even making us any safer) – if ever there was a philosophy of government totally at war with that of the Founding Fathers and their Constitution and Bill of Rights, it is this one.

“You [demagogues] are like the fishers for eels; in still waters they catch nothing, but if they thoroughly stir up the slime, their fishing is good; in the same way it’s only in troublous times that you line your pockets [or your power].”
― Aristophanes

“The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines [like security if there is enough of the Bill of Rights and civil rights shreded] he knows to be untrue to men he knows [or at least hopes] to be idiots ”
– H. L . Mencken

VorDaj on December 16, 2013 at 11:24 PM

AP grows them in his basement.

To be brought out when needed.

Ever seen the original “The Thing”?

cozmo on December 16, 2013 at 11:04 PM

LOL

… and … ewww. *shivers*

Midas on December 16, 2013 at 11:25 PM

Realpolitik folks. Everybody (in power) wants this to go away.

cozmo on December 16, 2013 at 11:17 PM

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Only the ones in power in America. I think Putin is enjoying the shit out of this situation.

PolAgnostic on December 16, 2013 at 11:25 PM

Anybody ever heard of v7 sport before?

wolly4321 on December 16, 2013 at 11:22 PM

Isn’t that one of those ‘AXE’ body spray scents that pimply junior high boys like to bathe in and make everyone around them puke?

Midas on December 16, 2013 at 11:26 PM

Ray Price dies at 87

kcewa on December 16, 2013 at 10:37 PM

Joan Fontaine, 96

:-)

I have no idea who Ray Price is but I was looking at the daily-mail earlier this evening … so I thought I’d chime in.

gh on December 16, 2013 at 11:26 PM

ObamaCare. Because overnight stays in the waiting room are all the rage in France.

SparkPlug on December 16, 2013 at 11:26 PM

I’m delighted that CoffeeLover got a Bish. She is a nice person and deserves to have a shop vac at least as big as Kens tiny one gallon model that can’t pick up very much.

SparkPlug on December 16, 2013 at 11:19 PM

I’m getting a new one!!!!!!

KCB on December 16, 2013 at 11:27 PM

Ray Price dies at 87

kcewa on December 16, 2013 at 10:37 PM

Joan Fontaine, 96

:-)

I have no idea who Ray Price is but I was looking at the daily-mail earlier this evening … so I thought I’d chime in.

gh on December 16, 2013 at 11:26 PM

Country singer.

And Peter O’Toole makes three.

Midas on December 16, 2013 at 11:27 PM

ObamaCare. Because outsourcing your diagnosis to peasants in CALCUTTA saves lives.

SparkPlug on December 16, 2013 at 11:28 PM

I stand corrected. Ken is getting a new Hoover upright for his shag carpet.

SparkPlug on December 16, 2013 at 11:29 PM

ObamaCare. Because your don’t need an individually wrapped tongue depressor when you can gag yourself with your own finger.

SparkPlug on December 16, 2013 at 11:31 PM

“So the message is: If you take enough, you can get away with it simply by giving it back….”

http://althouse.blogspot.com/2013/12/national-security-agency-officials-are.html

workingclass artist on December 16, 2013 at 11:31 PM

PolAgnostic on December 16, 2013 at 11:25 PM

When he is not freaking out over his own possible Snowdens.

Except, Putin understands the old adage that it is better to be feared than loved.

He is in the position to know.

cozmo on December 16, 2013 at 11:32 PM

Fred Astaire & Joan Fontaine

kcewa on December 16, 2013 at 11:32 PM

Anybody ever heard of v7 sport before?

wolly4321 on December 16, 2013 at 11:22 PM

I’ve seen him/her/it before… Months ago…. Not new…

PointnClick on December 16, 2013 at 11:33 PM

ObamaCare. Because too many people die of natural causes when we have the means to make them die artificially.

SparkPlug on December 16, 2013 at 11:34 PM

George Thorogood and the Destroyers – Rock ‘n Roll Christmas

jaime on December 16, 2013 at 11:34 PM

Country singer.

I guessed ‘singer’.

And Peter O’Toole makes three.

Midas on December 16, 2013 at 11:27 PM

A youngster at 81. Daily-mail had him at the top of their home-page earlier.

The Fontaine obit is quite amusing. Her older sister, Olivia de Haviland, is still alive. They are the only two sisters to win best actress; they were quite competitive (to put it mildly).

gh on December 16, 2013 at 11:34 PM

Isn’t that one of those ‘AXE’ body spray scents that pimply junior high boys like to bathe in and make everyone around them puke?

Midas on December 16, 2013 at 11:26 PM

Can’t remember where I heard this, but if your court-appointed lawyer reeks of Axe body spray, you are going to jail…

PointnClick on December 16, 2013 at 11:35 PM

0bama will cave.

Snowden will get amnesty.

cozmo on December 16, 2013 at 10:36 PM

Hopefully he’s smarter than the oaf in DC.

If he wants to live, he’ll stay in Russia. It’s the sad state of teh USA today. If he could have been a whistle-blower in the USA he’d have been one.

See this case, for starters…no, not just you cozmo, anyone here.

Instead of throwing the generals and the CiC in prison…

Schadenfreude on December 16, 2013 at 11:35 PM

We’re going to a Christmas party tomorrow night, and husband requested that I bring a Waldorf salad. I bake things-I don’t make salads. Just made a cranberry Waldorf salad. He owes me.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 16, 2013 at 11:35 PM

When Did You Leave Heaven – Big Bill Broonzy

thatsafactjack on December 16, 2013 at 11:36 PM

ObamaCare. Because the Twilight of your life shines too brightly.

SparkPlug on December 16, 2013 at 11:36 PM

thatsafactjack on December 16, 2013 at 11:19 PM

Love this selection, WW, a good one. And quite lovely to hear from you again. ;-)

From some country boys: Use Somebody — Kings of Leon.

TXUS on December 16, 2013 at 11:37 PM

Cranberry Waldorf salad sounds Yankee not Texan. (:

SparkPlug on December 16, 2013 at 11:37 PM

Midas on December 16, 2013 at 11:26 PM

Spawn wears that noxious stuff-and he’s almost 20.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 16, 2013 at 11:37 PM

Schadenfreude on December 16, 2013 at 11:35 PM

Dude, this is the information age.

It is no longer only the purview of governments and supercomputers.

It is out there for the taking, by anyone with the moxie to get it.

And we have only scratched the surface of cyberstalking.

I predict a growing movement to live off the grid.

cozmo on December 16, 2013 at 11:38 PM

The Eurythmics – Winter Wonderland

jaime on December 16, 2013 at 11:39 PM

I’m highly disappointed in Hayden – yesterday “the NSA is only doing what is legal”.

NO, they are not, and you know it.

Schadenfreude on December 16, 2013 at 11:39 PM

SparkPlug on December 16, 2013 at 11:37 PM

Cranberries are ‘wintery’. They’re also good for you.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 16, 2013 at 11:39 PM

ObamaCare. Because when you need emergency resuscitation no one does it better than a government appointed Web navigator.

SparkPlug on December 16, 2013 at 11:40 PM

Cranberries are ‘wintery’. They’re also good for you.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 16, 2013 at 11:39 PM

It’ll fix up that nasty urinary tract infection, too…

PointnClick on December 16, 2013 at 11:40 PM

What not even Faux tell you.

Krauthammer is all upset with the judge, poor puppy!

Btw, Hume said today “it’s about time that Boehner told the TEA party off”. Go to Hell traitor. Take all the RINOs with you.

Schadenfreude on December 16, 2013 at 11:41 PM

Audrey Totter December 20, 1917-December 13, 2013

A lovely woman, star of film noir, who possessed remarkable range.

thatsafactjack on December 16, 2013 at 11:41 PM

Forgot the link.

Schadenfreude on December 16, 2013 at 11:41 PM

Cranberries are ‘wintery’. They’re also good for you.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 16, 2013 at 11:39 PM

It’ll fix up that nasty urinary tract infection, too…

PointnClick on December 16, 2013 at 11:40 PM

… and help mask other substances.

jaime on December 16, 2013 at 11:41 PM

Anybody ever heard of v7 sport before?

wolly4321 on December 16, 2013 at 11:22 PM


Nope.

They just pop up, from nowhere.

wolly4321 on December 16, 2013 at 11:01 PM

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My theory has been that MANY accounts have been created during the rare open enrollment periods by “astro-turfing” organizations.

The accounts sit idle, never comment and wait for an event they need a “fresh voice” to offer comment to further their agenda.

We’ve had a few “conservative racist” accounts (I reported the comments of one of them on the Tip line and 10 minutes later, the offending comments and the “user” were vaporized – never to be heard from again), a wide variety of concern trolls (these are tougher assignments – they have to be able to get a dialogue going with some of the regulars – a concern troll who gets completely ignored is worthless) and some GOPe Party Line trolls (not from the astro-turfing organizations, these are experienced people who can carry out long term assignments targeted at moving the needle over time towards the GOPe outlook).

Just my $ 0.02 on how I would approach this and other sites if I were in an opposing camp.

YMMV

PolAgnostic on December 16, 2013 at 11:41 PM

Obamacare: Because cheating’s our game and teaching you to cheat is our aim.

thatsafactjack on December 16, 2013 at 11:42 PM

Ooops… Is it bad form to bring up Sparky’s whiz problems…? LOL

PointnClick on December 16, 2013 at 11:42 PM

Dude, this is the information age.

cozmo on December 16, 2013 at 11:38 PM

Really? Hello from the civilized and legal days…duh, on me.

Schadenfreude on December 16, 2013 at 11:43 PM

I love cranberry sauce and cobbler.

SparkPlug on December 16, 2013 at 11:43 PM

Stevie Nicks – Silent Night

jaime on December 16, 2013 at 11:43 PM

Spawn wears that noxious stuff-and he’s almost 20.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 16, 2013 at 11:37 PM

Tell him that real men wear Old Spice :P

thebrokenrattle on December 16, 2013 at 11:44 PM

Clapton – When Did You Leave Heaven

kcewa on December 16, 2013 at 11:44 PM

TXUS on December 16, 2013 at 11:37 PM

Good evening, TXUS. :) It’s always a pleasure to hear from you, too. :)

That tune is a favorite of mine, too.

thatsafactjack on December 16, 2013 at 11:45 PM

Jaime is here and she will delight us with tunes.

SparkPlug on December 16, 2013 at 11:45 PM

cozmo on December 16, 2013 at 11:32 PM

It’s also better to be feared than respected. The oaf in chief also doesn’t know that the muzzies only respect from fear.

Schadenfreude on December 16, 2013 at 11:45 PM

I’m highly disappointed in Hayden – yesterday “the NSA is only doing what is legal”.

NO, they are not, and you know it.

Schadenfreude on December 16, 2013 at 11:39 PM

[Former National Security Agency chief] Gen. Michael Hayden: “Also, if you want to be less well defended just let us know.”

What this despicable and degenerate excuse for a human being said is functionally the equivalent of saying, “Nice family you got there, especially the children. It would be a shame if anything happened to them because you opposed or even questioned anything we’re doing at the NSA”.

They would have ordered him hung at Nuremberg.

VorDaj on December 16, 2013 at 11:45 PM

Just my $ 0.02 on how I would approach this and other sites if I were in an opposing camp.

YMMV

PolAgnostic on December 16, 2013 at 11:41 PM

I think you are very insightful, PA… I think that is just dead-nuts accurate.

PointnClick on December 16, 2013 at 11:45 PM

83 Numbers From 2013 That Are Almost Too Crazy To Believe
By Michael Snyder,

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/83-numbers-from-2013-that-are-almost-too-crazy-to-believe

#1 Most people that hear this statistic do not believe that it is actually true, but right now an all-time record 102 million working age Americans do not have a job. That number has risen by about 27 million since the year 2000.

#2 Because of the lack of jobs, poverty is spreading like wildfire in the United States. According to the most recent numbers from the U.S. Census Bureau, an all-time record 49.2 percent of all Americans are receiving benefits from at least one government program each month.

#3 As society breaks down, the government feels a greater need than ever before to watch, monitor and track the population. For example, every single day the NSA intercepts and permanently stores close to 2 billion emails and phone calls in addition to a whole host of other data.

#4 The Bank for International Settlements says that total public and private debt levels around the globe are now 30 percent higher than they were back during the financial crisis of 2008.

#5 According to a recent World Bank report, private domestic debt in China has grown from 9 trillion dollars in 2008 to 23 trillion dollars today.

Murphy9 on December 16, 2013 at 11:45 PM

thatsafactjack on December 16, 2013 at 11:42 PM

Good one. I saw tonight’s full moon and immediately thought about the grande Tetons. (:

SparkPlug on December 16, 2013 at 11:46 PM

Schadenfreude on December 16, 2013 at 11:43 PM

What I was alluding to ding-dong is that as your link shows, it cuts both ways. Governments are screwed when it comes to trying to keep all this information to themselves. Corporations and individuals are much better at using this stuff than a government.

These bad countries that are training hackers to attack their enemies are cutting their own throats.

cozmo on December 16, 2013 at 11:47 PM

There is no possibility that much (most)(all?) won’t eventually be released. It is not in Snowden’s hands anymore, but the people he turned it over to. And not only the encrypted data, but the passwords to that data too (it would do little good to have the encrypted data released if nobody else outside direct US control could open the files)

My instapundit comment yesterday said that amnesty should be conditional on the data never surfacing. And upon surfacing should immediately be followed by a capital-offense treason trial. The Russians have the data set. The Chinese have the data set. Unknowns have the data set. Other unknowns have the password(s).
The hacker community has constant efforts to defeat every encryption made. They seem to have succeeded so far.
Ergo, the Snowden encryption will likely be defeated eventually and the data open to either Worldwide public or US enemies (depending on who cracks it first)

Another site speculated if the Snowden data included politicized NSA spying on candidate Romney or elected Congressional leaders, and if there were such that the amnesty would be forthcoming rather than have blatant Senatorial ignoring evidence of what the public would almost certainly accept as impeachment grounds after even Boehner allowed an impeachment to go forth.

jhnone on December 16, 2013 at 11:47 PM

and some GOPe Party Line trolls (not from the astro-turfing organizations, these are experienced people who can carry out long term assignments targeted at moving the needle over time towards the GOPe outlook).

PolAgnostic on December 16, 2013 at 11:41 PM

Good PA, I bet we can’t name one of us who’s become one of them.

Schadenfreude on December 16, 2013 at 11:48 PM

SparkPlug on December 16, 2013 at 11:46 PM

Good evening, Spark. :) Flirt. ;)

thatsafactjack on December 16, 2013 at 11:48 PM

Bob Seger and the Silver Bullet Band – Little Drummer Boy

jaime on December 16, 2013 at 11:48 PM

Hi Merm. Isn’t MGs tree beautiful? So is yours.

SparkPlug on December 16, 2013 at 11:50 PM

cozmo on December 16, 2013 at 11:47 PM

Thank you

Schadenfreude on December 16, 2013 at 11:51 PM

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