“Homeland” grumble thread: Hang ‘em high

posted at 8:01 pm on December 16, 2013 by Allahpundit

I need to break with tradition and do a non-Walking Dead grumble thread because I’m desperate for answers. Did I miss something or did we never find out who the Langley bomber was? When I tweeted that question last night, various people tweeted back that we did find out: The bomber was the guy in the motel room who got shot in the head by Leland Bennett’s assistant, right after Carrie was shot in the shoulder by Quinn. But … that can’t be true. We never even learned his name! He had maybe three lines before he was liquidated. I thought for sure he was a patsy. The whole point of the big season two cliffhanger, I thought, was that the bomber must have been, or at least had help from, someone inside the CIA to get the bomb so close to such a target-rich environment. Was Peter Quinn, disaffected by his work at the agency, the secret accomplice? Was it the mysterious Dar Adal? Was it Lockhart, whose ruthless ambition to become director might have led him to eliminate David Estes? Was it — gasp — Saul, executing the same sort of “kill your superiors” strategy that landed Javadi at the top of the IRGC? Maybe it was Brody, his essential evil imperceptible to the love-blind Carrie. I thought for a second last night that Javadi, who’d teased Carrie before with a big reveal about who the bomber was, was going to tell her that it really was Brody all along. But no, evidently it was Extra #3. Why’d he do it? Was it for money or was he a jihadi? No one in the fictional CIA or the “Homeland” writing room seems to care anymore, which is why I’m all but done caring too.

But maybe this is my fault, just like it’s my fault to keep demanding that “The Walking Dead” be something other than a soap opera. The writers clearly have a vision for their show and it’s not mine. You’ve gotta be what you are and “Homeland,” at this point, has succeeded at that. It’s camp, by design. How else to explain that corny conversation between Carrie and Brody in the Iranian safehouse last night? Or Carrie drawing in the missing star on the Langley wall of honor, which might as well have included a “C.M. + N.B. 4ev” message”? Or the whole “can a new mom really have it all while running America’s Middle Eastern intelligence apparatus” subplot? Or, worst of all, that ridiculous exchange between Carrie and Javadi on the day of Brody’s execution, where Javadi comforted her about having helped the whole agency to see Brody the way she sees him? This is the guy who’s supposed to be in charge of Iranian international terrorism, who severed his ex-wife’s jugular with a broken bottle, and he sounded like the gay best friend in a bad romantic comedy. They could have regained my respect last night by doing one of two things: Either mindfark us with some shocking revelation about who the Langley bomber was/is or have the Iranians hang Carrie too and pivot the show next season to “Peter Quinn, Secret Agent.” Instead we got Saul and his wife eating breakfast moussaka in Santorini. Okay, guys. Got it. You’ve given up. I have too.

As for Brody, be grateful. Damian Lewis deserves better than this.

If you’re wondering whether I watch any shows that I actually enjoy, the answer is yes. “The Returned” is fantastic, even though I’m starting to detect an ominous Twin Peaks-ish lurch towards introducing weird stuff that the writers have either no intention or no ability to explain. Fingers crossed.


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Say what?

davidk on December 16, 2013 at 8:07 PM

What.

CWchangedhisNicagain on December 16, 2013 at 8:10 PM

I’ve never watched ‘Homeland because 1.I’ve heard that it leans left, and 2. I will forever think of Damian Lewis as this guy.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 16, 2013 at 8:14 PM

The whole season started slowly, bored with the whole Dana storyline. Extraneous. Ended just as poorly. We’ve been had.

Meh.

herm2416 on December 16, 2013 at 8:16 PM

I nearly fell asleep just having this season’s story line explained.

Murphy9 on December 16, 2013 at 8:17 PM

Not so much as loose ends but just plain lame.

You have to believe that from her time at the lake when he knocked her up to the time of his death was only 16 weeks. Seriously???

And who in their right mind would promote someone who won’t follow instructions — ever and who has a serious psych problem that can’t be controlled because she is med non compliant or her meds just poop out or because of major changes in her life, e.g., baby. She’s already acting whacky again and they are promoting her.

Blake on December 16, 2013 at 8:17 PM

I’d like to see Carrie arrested for vandalism and fired.

I didn’t like how they made a police state like Iran seem almost normal. You really think westerners aren’t watched 24/7??

Blake on December 16, 2013 at 8:19 PM

Damian Lewis was on a PBS series 6-8 years ago. He was such a cold jerk in it…he played the part so well, I don’t like him in any show. All I remember is that his wife’s name in the show was pronounced Ireenee.

herm2416 on December 16, 2013 at 8:20 PM

The Returned is french. Allahpundit has gone all metrosexual on us.

Blake on December 16, 2013 at 8:21 PM

Damian Lewis was on a PBS series 6-8 years ago. He was such a cold jerk in it…he played the part so well, I don’t like him in any show. All I remember is that his wife’s name in the show was pronounced Ireenee.

herm2416 on December 16, 2013 at 8:20 PM

Forsyth Saga.

Blake on December 16, 2013 at 8:22 PM

As for Brody, be grateful. Damian Lewis deserves better than this.

That he does. Which is why I couldn’t watch this silliness. Probably one of the few who finds Claire Danes to be irritating and would always be wondering if she was trying to sleep with Lewis in real life, like she apparently does with a lot of her co-stars.

If someone is interested in Lewis, there’s a pretty decent series called “Life” that he was in and was ultimately killed by the writer’s strike.

kim roy on December 16, 2013 at 8:30 PM

HOMELAND really did a nice job of putting it all in perspective this season.

Brody kills Dick Cheney and gets laid by Claire Danes and Morena Baccarin.

Brody kills an Iranian Quds force thug and get the noose and crane lift.

Guys, start growing your scruffy beards. Gals, start shopping for burkas.

Bruno Strozek on December 16, 2013 at 8:36 PM

Boy, if Dana thought her life was bad before, just wait until she saw her dad dangling from a crane…

Blake on December 16, 2013 at 8:43 PM

And talk about a lack of credibility! Remember when Carrie is asking if Amnesty International or Humans Rights Watch could save Brody? Hahahahah

Blake on December 16, 2013 at 8:54 PM

They should have hung Dana.

myiq2xu on December 16, 2013 at 8:54 PM

Off topic:

One Tin Soldier fades away.

Billy Jack goes to the happy hunting grounds.

BobMbx on December 16, 2013 at 8:59 PM

After having my expectations squashed by numerous concept shows, I believe there is an inevitable truth:

The creators plan or develop, at most, the first season of a new show.

Typically, everything after that is filler as they try to gauge how long they will be on the air. They may, if we are lucky, have a goal in mind.

That’s why the best of these types of shows are really a new (a re-imagined, reconfigured) show every season.

But, it is infinitesimally rare that the creators will make a series of “new” shows every year and have them all be good. Just look at the number of pilots and first season shows that are busts.

You’re asking for someone to create 3 or 4 or more hit shows (seasons) in a row–it just doesn’t happen.

mockmook on December 16, 2013 at 9:00 PM

I’m pretty sure Brody is not dead. He just looks like it. Why else would Carrie be assigned the Turkish mission post, near the Kurds and northern Iran? If they had really killed Brody, they would have dragged his body around the square, fanatic-fashion, so all could see his head pop off and his limbs be torn from his torso.
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I know you all doubt this but there is a way to attach a link between the waist and the hanging rope to support the body and avoid strangulation. Drugs could simulate death to the casual or frenetic observer.

ExpressoBold on December 16, 2013 at 9:00 PM

Lousy episode in a disappointing season.

Throat Wobbler Mangrove on December 16, 2013 at 9:01 PM

300+ million firearms and billions of rounds of ammo and people are using swords and knives to kill ‘zombies’.

Idiotic.

TX-96 on December 16, 2013 at 9:04 PM

I’m pretty sure Brody is not dead. He just looks like it. Why else would Carrie be assigned the Turkish mission post, near the Kurds and northern Iran? If they had really killed Brody, they would have dragged his body around the square, fanatic-fashion, so all could see his head pop off and his limbs be torn from his torso.
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I know you all doubt this but there is a way to attach a link between the waist and the hanging rope to support the body and avoid strangulation. Drugs could simulate death to the casual or frenetic observer.

ExpressoBold on December 16, 2013 at 9:00 PM

And why would Damien Lewis sign a 5 year contract? The problem is that it would be a pretty lame twist for them to fake his death. Not that I don’t think that is what will happen but lame-o nonetheless.

Blake on December 16, 2013 at 9:07 PM

Why would anyone waste time with this, The Homeland? Is that some kind of television show about farming or residential real estate? Regardless, it’s dumb–an I want to throw rocks at it dumb. You people are wasting your lives, unlike me. I set down my channel-changing pliers on top of the console for the last time in 1973.

/

derit on December 16, 2013 at 9:18 PM

Its a dream. The whole thing. Next season, Brody wakes up and tells his boyfriend about a strange dream……..

BobMbx on December 16, 2013 at 9:22 PM

I set down my channel-changing pliers on top of the console for the last time in 1973.

/

derit on December 16, 2013 at 9:18 PM

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Inspirational…

ExpressoBold on December 16, 2013 at 9:27 PM

Homeland season 1 was very good.

Season 2… Not so much… The entire point of the first season, that made the show work, was whether or not Brody was a plant. I thought they were at least going to milk that for one more season and then they blew that away in episode 2.

THEN they caught the uber bad guy terrorist at the end of S2!!

I haven’t even watched S3 yet (I’ve got em TiVo’d) and just haven’t had the desire to.

Skywise on December 16, 2013 at 9:27 PM

Anybody watch Masters of Sex? I’m trying to get into it but it’s sort of soap operish. Does it get better?

Blake on December 16, 2013 at 9:28 PM

Nope. It’s not done. Brody will have survived from a phony hanging to be resurrected as an Iranian agent sent back to the states with Carrie on his tail a la the first season. (Writers are basically stupid and can’t invent new stuff anymore.)

HiJack on December 16, 2013 at 9:29 PM

I haven’t even watched S3 yet (I’ve got em TiVo’d) and just haven’t had the desire to.

Skywise on December 16, 2013 at 9:27 PM

Don’t do it. Not only will you be sorry, but you’ll be extremely bored to the point of near suicide. Stay away from the TiVo.

HiJack on December 16, 2013 at 9:31 PM

Does it get better?

Blake on December 16, 2013 at 9:28 PM

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Not that I have seen. With a show having the word “sex” in its title, it sure seems like a fake emphasis. I was expecting more exploration of anonymous coupling but it is emphasizing romance and relationship issues.

ExpressoBold on December 16, 2013 at 9:44 PM

I loved the first season of Homeland but haven’t watched it since, though I’m told it’s descended into the awful.

That said, AP, I’m surprised you haven’t posted this fun piece at NYP in the Headlines equating the rise and fall of Lady Gaga with the rise and fall of Homeland – pop culture types will quite enjoy.

King B on December 16, 2013 at 10:12 PM

A.P + E.M 4ev

BoxHead1 on December 16, 2013 at 10:30 PM

Brody was a Sunni and liquidated the Shia general as an operative for the Saudis. Dana raises the kid as a Sunni. All is right with Islam.

kingsmill on December 16, 2013 at 10:58 PM

Carrie raises the kid as a Sunni….X-Files flashback..

kingsmill on December 16, 2013 at 11:14 PM

Anybody watch Masters of Sex? I’m trying to get into it but it’s sort of soap operish. Does it get better?

It’s very soft-corn porn. Occasional boobage and fake humping.

myiq2xu on December 16, 2013 at 11:15 PM

Damian Lewis was on a PBS series 6-8 years ago. He was such a cold jerk in it…he played the part so well, I don’t like him in any show. All I remember is that his wife’s name in the show was pronounced Ireenee.
herm2416 on December 16, 2013 at 8:20 PM

I watched that series on Netflix. It was like House of Cards—riveting and unsettling, so much that I couldn’t stop watching it. Lewis’ character was psychotic in that series, and he played it so well. I watched a couple of episodes of Homeland to see what all the hype was about. Meh.

conservative pilgrim on December 16, 2013 at 11:20 PM

AP, I keep recommending Lost Girl

It’s fantasy and has lots of fantasy characters. Lots of LSV too.

The funniest, sexiest, wildest show out there.

You can catch the first 3 seasons on line.

It’s Canadian, so they edit some stuff out when it comes on ScFi. It comes on in January, but it’s already airing n Canada. Season 4 is way cool, especially Ep4 (kicks it into high gear).

MichaelGabriel on December 16, 2013 at 11:25 PM

Turns out, Lost Girl is perfect for music videos. Tons of them out there. Some good ones :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOuC69np_kk&list=RD02BUwxlemA-M4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNj2FAK7N2k&list=PLBDE2BC7637043734

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvmecjB4L9w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH4-Wr89fuc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUwxlemA-M4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oa1toGkGuZQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWYwT8suiwE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsUIiOjwveY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnpdy4eYQII

Great characters, great music, great fashion (all of my future clothes purchases revolve around leather.)

Not for everyone but it has a worldwide fanatic following.

MichaelGabriel on December 17, 2013 at 12:25 AM

And who in their right mind would promote someone who won’t follow instructions — ever and who has a serious psych problem that can’t be controlled because she is med non compliant or her meds just poop out or because of major changes in her life, e.g., baby. She’s already acting whacky again and they are promoting her.

Exactly.

NavyMustang on December 17, 2013 at 7:04 AM

Probably one of the few who finds Claire Danes to be irritating…

kim roy on December 16, 2013 at 8:30 PM

I’m with you. I don’t find Danes attractive at all. Doesn’t help that her character is annoying to the max.

NavyMustang on December 17, 2013 at 7:07 AM

I came in way late to Homeland and the second season at that. I kind of liked it, but Claire Danes is crying or looks like she’s about to cry in every scene. Her acting skills are a bit of a one trick pony.

Republican Yogi on December 17, 2013 at 7:58 AM

After having my expectations squashed by numerous concept shows, I believe there is an inevitable truth:

The creators plan or develop, at most, the first season of a new show.

Typically, everything after that is filler as they try to gauge how long they will be on the air. They may, if we are lucky, have a goal in mind.

The notable exception: Babylon 5, where J. Michael Straczynski wrote down the entire 5-year story (major points, with wiggle room for writers to work in) before they even filmed the pilot. Aside from renewal worries each year, he pulled it off perfectly and the entire story made sense (even when the lead character, played by Michael O’Hare, had to leave the show at the end of the first season).

clayj on December 17, 2013 at 8:14 AM

300+ million firearms and billions of rounds of ammo and people are using swords and knives to kill ‘zombies’.

Idiotic.

Come on, the sound of gunfire attracts the zombies. By the hordes. Even if one has an uzi & is mowing them down, if they come in groups of 50 or more (which they often do) eventually you get overtaken while reloading. And since modes of transportation are slim & the guns across the USA are scattered, eventually you DO start running low on ammo. They’ve covered this time after time.

Accepted: zombies feeding on the living
Unacceptable: guns not being the preferred method for offing said zombies

Cam Winston on December 17, 2013 at 8:32 AM

And who in their right mind would promote someone who won’t follow instructions — ever and who has a serious psych problem that can’t be controlled because she is med non compliant or her meds just poop out or because of major changes in her life, e.g., baby. She’s already acting whacky again and they are promoting her.

Exactly.

NavyMustang on December 17, 2013 at 7:04 AM

Exactly. And the new Intelligence Head is the evil Senator who made that promotion…so I took that to be an evil deed by the evil Senator, BECAUSE the Series is all about “evil government,” is it not?

Now Carries “station head” of US Intelligence stationed amidst mortal enemies, because, because…I forget why. Which is where the writers actually are at this point.

Lourdes on December 17, 2013 at 8:46 AM

Accepted: zombies feeding on the living
Unacceptable: guns not being the preferred method for offing said zombies

Cam Winston on December 17, 2013 at 8:32 AM

I guess Hollywood got the point that the Vampires have become the Teen Girl Fixation but utterly annoy everyone else.

Enter “assault rifles” (their language) and Zombies. Hollywood has to try SOMEthing.

Whenever I actually stop and focus on just how violent and gorey Hollywood considers “entertainment” to be…

Lourdes on December 17, 2013 at 8:50 AM

Boy, if Dana thought her life was bad before, just wait until she saw her dad dangling from a crane…

Blake on December 16, 2013 at 8:43 PM

As much as one should know to never play reality cop with a show like this, Homeland makes it hard not to.
The plot involves Iran hanging – in public – a war hero/former US Congressman. This would be a major WTF moment for the entire US public…not to mention his family.
I guess it’s the old ’4 months later’ trick…let’s them excuse any absurdity.
(Like a single police car bringing Brody to his execution. They can’t have that small a production budget.)

verbaluce on December 17, 2013 at 10:22 AM

They should have hung Dana.

myiq2xu on December 16, 2013 at 8:54 PM

This.

exliberal on December 17, 2013 at 11:12 AM

They should have hung Dana.

myiq2xu on December 16, 2013 at 8:54 PM

THi

exliberal on December 17, 2013 at 11:20 AM

Sorry for the double post (above). Stupid Firefox. Anyway –

… Really. What will happen to Brody’s son? He only cares about the annoying Dana, obviously Daddy’s little girl in a burka (soon, anyway). Poor kid will probably end up belting out show tunes and watching reruns of Glee.

Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

exliberal on December 17, 2013 at 11:25 AM

Next season Morena Baccarin …finally free of Brody… reveals herself as the alien queen behind the whole plot. V forever!! :)

camaraderie on December 17, 2013 at 2:09 PM