Ryan on budget fight – Let’s keep it in the family

posted at 3:31 pm on December 15, 2013 by Jazz Shaw

The Sunday morning shows trotted out the inevitable topic of the “GOP Civil War” yet again today (since there’s really no topic they’d rather talk about), and Paul Ryan was the target du jour. Meet the Press, after an unending series of shows demanding to know why Republicans can’t be reasonable and come to an agreement with Democrats and just “do their job” lost no time in grilling the Congressman on how he could possibly put up with the elements in his own party who didn’t agree with him. Can’t you Republicans all just get along?

Rep. Paul Ryan says he was frustrated with conservative groups that protested the bipartisan budget deal he helped engineer.

The House Budget Committee chairman tells NBC’s “Meet the Press” that these groups are “very important elements” of the conservative movement. But the Wisconsin Republican says such discussions should be kept “within the family.”

Ryan says he and House Speaker John Boehner of Ohio were frustrated that the groups voiced opposition to the budget agreement before it had been reached.

That’s probably not a bad idea, but, “keeping it in the family” is a bit harder when that’s all the press wants to talk about. Of course, once you’ve accepted the invitation to come on the shows, it’s rather hard to dictate what they want to talk about. A snappy answer of, “that’s none of your business” doesn’t play too well either.

He was also asked about the rather irate responses from Speaker Boehner on the same subject, and he broke out the Irish.

House Speaker John Boehner was peeved last week at conservative groups that blasted a bipartisan budget agreement before one was even announced. But House Budget Chairman Paul Ryan said it was really just that Irish temper of his.

“I think John just kind of got his Irish up. He was frustrated that these groups came out against our budget agreement before we reached a budget agreement. I was frustrated too,” Ryan said on NBC’s “Meet The Press.”

Three leading conservative groups – Club for Growth, Heritage Action for America and Americans for Prosperity – have all been in a dispute with Boehner over last week’s budget deal.

This is really the larger challenge facing the GOP leadership in Washington in the wake of the House deal. Heritage, CFG and the other groups really have the same goals as Paul Ryan. They’re just currently not looking at the same map in terms of how to get from Point A to Point B. And that really is a conversation they should have in private. But no matter what the talking heads say, they really have no interest in talking about Congress getting something done as long as the GOP is in charge of the lower chamber. Given the opportunity, they’ll fan the flames of GOP domestic violence every chance they get, just like they did in the 2012 primary debates.

Ryan and Boehner can’t really avoid doing any press, but they should get better at softening their answers and forcing the media to give them the space to have these discussions behind closed doors. Paul Ryan didn’t do too badly at it today, but they could all use a bit more practice.


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Like Rubio, it’s too late, chump.

Schadenfreude on December 15, 2013 at 3:34 PM

I will never understand the tactics of winning elections by insulting the base. Can these guys show me an example where this has worked?

Cindy Munford on December 15, 2013 at 3:35 PM

The RINO/Ds
Fight the TEAs/Cs
For you know not
What you begot
Hell will freeze

Schadenfreude on December 15, 2013 at 3:35 PM

Oh, that’s rich. Boehner and Ryan both played this thing out in front of the cameras and now they want to ‘keep it in the family’. Listen numbnuts, you’re the ones who had the screaming fit in public. This is entirely on you.

ElectricPhase on December 15, 2013 at 3:36 PM

Boehner’s and Ryan’s idea of “keeping it in the family” is to continue horsewhipping the conservatives in the middle of the town square.

Gator Country on December 15, 2013 at 3:37 PM

“Let’s keep it in the family”

I believe that Boehner is the one who has alredy declared war on the base.

rjh on December 15, 2013 at 3:37 PM

that’s “already”

rjh on December 15, 2013 at 3:38 PM

Some families aren’t worth keeping together.

I want a divorce.

DRayRaven on December 15, 2013 at 3:39 PM

Boehner already made an overt point of publicly lambasting the Right. So I think this latest tactic (“keep it in the family”) is a rather desperate ploy to avoid responsibility…by Boehner, Ryan, that range of the GOP.

Lourdes on December 15, 2013 at 3:52 PM

Unlike you, Ryan, I don’t live off K-Street. I’m not in your Washington DC insider family, I’m one of your victims.

FloatingRock on December 15, 2013 at 3:54 PM

D-O-R-K

stenwin77 on December 15, 2013 at 3:55 PM

Heritage, CFG and the other groups really have the same goals as Paul Ryan.

Assertion without evidence.

Ryans voting record tells another story.

Valkyriepundit on December 15, 2013 at 3:58 PM

Maybe Ryan and Boehner could learn a lesson or two from Gingrich: don’t accept the premises or narrative of the interviewer’s questions. And why not counter every point about disagreements within the GOP to very real ones within the Dems. The latter are not as lockstep as one would suppose in that many of their elections are on the line.

onlineanalyst on December 15, 2013 at 3:58 PM

These POS RINOs think they can attack conservatives constantly and then expect us to roll over and support them in return.They do it because it works!

redware on December 15, 2013 at 3:58 PM

I have stickers from the Senate Conservatives Fund to place on envelopes: “Sorry! I make my candidate contributions through the Senate Conservatives Fund.”

onlineanalyst on December 15, 2013 at 4:00 PM

Some blog comments I’ve read in the past few days suggest that it was a good strategy for the GOP to increase spending, taxes and debt because it keeps the focus on Obamacare, but if that were the GOP’s only goal they would have passed a clean CR that maintains the status quo rather than giving away the store to their K-Street cronies. A clean CR would have kept the focus on Obamacare, but K-Street wouldn’t have gotten anything new out of the deal. “Keeping the focus on Obamacare”, is only an excuse to provide political cover for Washington DC’s K-Street corruption.

FloatingRock on December 15, 2013 at 4:01 PM

Ryan on budget fight – Let’s keep it in the family

…Oh!…So?…Incest is best?

KOOLAID2 on December 15, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Ryan and Boehner clearly are not part of the conservative family. Time to go…

voiceofreason on December 15, 2013 at 4:08 PM

La Familia

bazil9 on December 15, 2013 at 4:09 PM

You ain’t a member of my family, you two-faced sh**-talker.

M240H on December 15, 2013 at 4:09 PM

He’s TOAST!!

We’re Gonna Primary and or RECALL BOTH him and Boehner – they are done!

As far as “keeping it in the family” – it was BOEHNER’s STAFF, among others that was LEAKING the Details of The Bill BEFORE it was done being negotiated - AT BOEHNER’S DIRECTION!!……NOT the Conservative Guy that Boehner just fired!

There are only TWO Places to Contribute that will ENSURE that you Support Conservative Candidates:

1. SarahPac

2. The Senate Conservatives Fund

NOWHERE ELSE – Any Other Place You Contribute Goes DIRECTLY to Karl Rove and The ESTABLISHMENT Republicans – i.e.: The Democrats!!

I’ve given to both 1 and 2 above……

I wish there was a place to contribute that was working to TERMINATE Media Parasite…….Like Blitzer and Matthews…..Politically, of course…

williamg on December 15, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Boehner is a german name…Maybe he got his Kaiser up?

workingclass artist on December 15, 2013 at 4:13 PM

The GOP obviously feels that the blowback from Obamacare against the Democrats will be so severe in ’14 and ’16 that the American people don’t have a choice but to vote for the same old corrupt GOP. They don’t think they need, and certainly don’t want their base anymore, which they’ve always despised anyway. They don’t think their base has anyplace else to turn because our political system is trapped in a corrupt two-party system. What are we going to do if the GOP helps the Democrats increase taxes, spending, debt, (which they’re in the process of doing), and imposes gun control and amnesty—vote Democrat? Vote for Obamacare? K-Street politicians think that they can get away with just about anything at this point because Obamacare, written by K-Street, is so bad.

Snowden ’16 for Freedom and Liberty!

FloatingRock on December 15, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Bottom line: Boner is not a leader, and Boner has not earned the trust of the party’s base. So when we see Paul Ryan erase the sequester (the only roll-back in spending in a decades) and replace it with more empty promises of cuts “in the out years,” our response is “just Washington as usual.”

Maybe Ryan’s deal is politically sound. But the burden is on Boner and Ryan to persuade us (and, by proxy, those conservative groups on the Hill that echo our views) (a) that it is good politics and (b) that they have a master plan that makes sense.

So how dare Boner and Ryan come out and wag their tongues at us, as if we should simply accept what they say because they are “experts” and have Rs after their names.

Outlander on December 15, 2013 at 4:16 PM

K-Street has the American people backed into a corner. They use one of their parties to impose Obamacare, a giveaway to K-street, screwing the American people, then when their sheep seek payback against the K-Street D party, all of the sheep flock to the K-Street R party. Both parties are fenced in and corralled by K-Street’s cowboys in Washington DC and NY, which includes Fox News.

FloatingRock on December 15, 2013 at 4:17 PM

Boehner is a german name…Maybe he got his Kaiser up?

workingclass artist on December 15, 2013 at 4:13 PM

He’s a quarter Irish on his mother’s side. But “get his Irish up” is a pretty common expression in the Midwest and applies even to people who lack Irish heritage; I’ve heard it many, many times.

Outlander on December 15, 2013 at 4:18 PM

Heritage, CFG and the other groups really have the same goals as Paul Ryan.

Really?

GaltBlvnAtty on December 15, 2013 at 4:18 PM

Maybe Ryan and Boehner know that something big is going to happen in January, and they want the budget out of the way.

Emperor Norton on December 15, 2013 at 4:20 PM

We’re Gonna Primary and or RECALL BOTH him and Boehner – they are done!

Since this is 100% an impossibility, what will tea party supporters do when they realize they can not possibly primary sitting members at the prime of their careers and the height of their powers. What will the tea party do now that the Wall Street money that quietly astroturfed their events has decided that the establishment is safer. Perhaps, just maybe, they will start to recognize that capital isn’t interested in an active democracy. Perhaps they will stop blaming “the government” and start following the money.

libfreeordie on December 15, 2013 at 4:22 PM

Valkyriepundit on December 15, 2013 at 3:58 PM

Sorry. You were ahead of me.

GaltBlvnAtty on December 15, 2013 at 4:23 PM

The more corrupt and unpopular one K-Street party becomes, the more corrupt the other party can become in response. The lesser-of-two-evils is how evil perpetuates itself. The more evil the greater-evil becomes, the more evil the lesser-evil can get away with.

FloatingRock on December 15, 2013 at 4:24 PM

Let’s keep it in the family

…Ryan told…NBC.
All I need to know.

Ronnie on December 15, 2013 at 4:33 PM

K-Street has the American people backed into a corner. ***

FloatingRock on December 15, 2013 at 4:17 PM

If you look at it from a game theoretical perspective, the dominant strategy for both political parties is to print money and spend it like drunken sailors. Wall Street, unions, black people, lawyers, state governments, defense contractors, car companies, etc., all get their goodies today, and don’t personally feel the adverse consequences for decades. The main difference is how the parties spend their money. Democrats tend to hand it out to the unions, the poor, and liberal interests (environmentalism, etc.); Republicans tend to hand their goodies out as corporate welfare and to defense.

The only true solution here is a balanced budget amendment. Force Congress to balance the budget and that, in turn, will force America to pay for the government it has. When Obama’s Wall Street buddies start paying 50-60% taxes to pay for their corporate welfare, they may decide they can live without it… That’s the only way I see it that the K-Street model can be broken.

Outlander on December 15, 2013 at 4:33 PM

libfreeordie on December 15, 2013 at 4:22 PM

The Democrat Party is every bit as corrupt as the GOP, there is no solution to America’s problems from within Washington DC. Washington DC is corrupt and has been selling out the American people for years on behalf of their cronies. Will you put away the partisanship as I’ve tried to do and help me promote Edward Snowden for President in ’16? Wouldn’t it be awesome if Snowden could return home to America as a popular presidential candidate? I would love to see the reaction of K-Street and their crooked politicians; what are they going to do, lock Snowden away in a gulag somewhere? If they do his popularity will only increase.

Snowden ’16 for Freedom and Liberty!

The only people served by D and R partisanship are K-Street and their politicians. They divide and concur the American people for their own power and profit.

FloatingRock on December 15, 2013 at 4:36 PM

…conquer, not concur.

FloatingRock on December 15, 2013 at 4:38 PM

It’s Time for The EVISCERATION TO BEGIN!!!!!

williamg on December 15, 2013 at 4:41 PM

Outlander on December 15, 2013 at 4:33 PM

That would be a start, but K-street will never allow it so it will have to be imposed on Washington DC from outside by the American people. That’s why I think Mark Levin’s idea of having the states hold a new constitutional convention may be the only solution; that and electing people who truly are from outside of DC, and Edward Snowden is about the only one I trust. He is somebody who, even more than myself, has sacrificed everything to champion freedom and liberty for all.

FloatingRock on December 15, 2013 at 4:41 PM

Will you put away the partisanship as I’ve tried to do and help me promote Edward Snowden for President in ’16? Wouldn’t it be awesome if Snowden could return home to America as a popular presidential candidate? I would love to see the reaction of K-Street and their crooked politicians; what are they going to do, lock Snowden away in a gulag somewhere? If they do his popularity will only increase.

Snowden ’16 for Freedom and Liberty!

I would vote for Snowden or an alternative 3rd party candidate. Especially since I am pretty sure that Snowden is not anti-welfare and other progressive anti-poverty initiatives.

libfreeordie on December 15, 2013 at 4:42 PM

Jazz Shaw and Hot Air working hard to pull the regressives over the finish line. Pretty disgusting stuff if you ask me. Acting as if Paul Ryan, designer of the road map to selling future generations into slavery, and conservatives and the Tea Party have the same goals is pretty sickening.

astonerii on December 15, 2013 at 4:42 PM

Two things. First you aren’t family. Second, you aren’t even a friend. Stuff it.

Bmore on December 15, 2013 at 4:44 PM

The more evil the greater-evil becomes, the more evil the lesser-evil can get away with.

FloatingRock on December 15, 2013 at 4:24 PM

…and when the same evil people on K-Street are behind both the greater and lesser evils, evil ensures that it always wins.

FloatingRock on December 15, 2013 at 4:44 PM

Very good post Jazz..I agree with Ryan to a very large extent..We need to keep it in the family..:)

Dire Straits on December 15, 2013 at 4:44 PM

Dire Straits on December 15, 2013 at 4:44 PM

Good to see you..:)

Dire Straits on December 15, 2013 at 4:45 PM

Maybe Ryan and Boehner could learn a lesson or two from Gingrich: don’t accept the premises or narrative of the interviewer’s questions.

onlineanalyst on December 15, 2013 at 3:58 PM

Remember, you’re talking about a guy who couldn’t win a debate with Joe Biden.

bw222 on December 15, 2013 at 4:46 PM

Jazz Shaw and Hot Air working hard to pull the regressives over the finish line.

astonerii on December 15, 2013 at 4:42 PM

You have to blame Michelle Malkin. She hired AP and Ed, knowing both were on the left side of the GOP and then sold out to Salem. Once again, greed triumphs over principle.

bw222 on December 15, 2013 at 4:49 PM

We’re Gonna Primary and or RECALL BOTH him and Boehner – they are done!

Since this is 100% an impossibility, what will tea party supporters do when they realize they can not possibly primary sitting members at the prime of their careers and the height of their powers. What will the tea party do now that the Wall Street money that quietly astroturfed their events has decided that the establishment is safer. Perhaps, just maybe, they will start to recognize that capital isn’t interested in an active democracy. Perhaps they will stop blaming “the government” and start following the money.

libfreeordie on December 15, 2013 at 4:22 PM

I took your advice and even went over to one of your sister sites, sister. Check it out. You are right about following the money. Isn’t DC where the “the government” lives?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/24/census-bureau-wealthiest-counties_n_3984149.html

BoxHead1 on December 15, 2013 at 4:52 PM

I would vote for Snowden or an alternative 3rd party candidate. Especially since I am pretty sure that Snowden is not anti-welfare and other progressive anti-poverty initiatives.

libfreeordie on December 15, 2013 at 4:42 PM

That works for me as long as he’s not a socialist or Marxist. I don’t mind a reasonable safety net; corporate welfare and cronyism is what is bankrupting America, not foodstamps. If Snowden helps us put a stop to cronyism, that would be fantastic, as long as he isn’t inclined to try to redistribute the wealth of people who actually earned it fair and square.

FloatingRock on December 15, 2013 at 4:52 PM

If my uncle Sal said, “and next, we’re going to give amnesty to 30 million lawbreakers” while aunt Esther’s son who just graduated from college cannot find a job, well, we would forget the cans when we took uncle Sal out target shooting.
Because, you know with Obama, the hits keep coming. And, the stupid party us all too happy to help.

AllahsNippleHair on December 15, 2013 at 4:55 PM

Boehner is a german name…Maybe he got his Kaiser up?

workingclass artist on December 15, 2013 at 4:13 PM

I’ve heard it called a lot of things. In his case, Boehner pretty much covers it.

ElectricPhase on December 15, 2013 at 4:57 PM

You have to blame Michelle Malkin. She hired AP and Ed, knowing both were on the left side of the GOP and then sold out to Salem. Once again, greed triumphs over principle.

bw222 on December 15, 2013 at 4:49 PM

I already have. About two weeks ago I said something similar. I cannot blame her for wanting to make money. But you are right, she certainly ended up helping the left by building credibility for these guys. It pulls the party to the left, however slightly.

astonerii on December 15, 2013 at 4:59 PM

libfreeordie on December 15, 2013 at 4:42 PM

Here’ something else you and I may be able to agree on: The DC GOP has made it very clear that they have absolutely no intention of defunding/repealing Obamacare, if they get power back they are going to try to tweak it and “manage it better”, and then probably try to rename it National-Romneycare or something. Romneycare and Obamacare are corporatist, it is a giveaway to K-Street just like everything else Washington DC does. My preference would be free-market healthcare, but since Washington DC has shut the door on that possibility and are going to make the American people to choose between fascist healthcare or single-payer, I say let’s cut out the corporatist middle-men and the inherent corruption it promotes and move to single-payer.

FloatingRock on December 15, 2013 at 5:03 PM

HotAir is still a great resource, but you guys too often seem to swallow the presumed best intentions of establishment RNC/GOP liars, then follow those as the basis of policy analysis, as if you’re on solid ground.

Anyone with common sense who’s followed this game for any length of time knows the RINO drill: Incrementally dig the country deeper into debt, concede to communists while claiming you’ve kept your principles, declare the real fight is elsewhere, demonize your rear flank, withdraw to the comfort of K street lobbyists, raise money on democrat sins while yours are in full view. Rinse, repeat.

Paul Ryan is nothing more than Boehner’s intern, as he’s always been. He’s sold to conservative America by the establishment as a budget hawk. But where’s the proof? He’s actually just the messenger boy for stronger progressive interests. Then he cries, “Don’t shoot the messenger. This is the reality of things.” This is not the first time. Ryan is a fraud from top to bottom. Boehner’s power lust is naked. They deserve each other, but we do not deserve them. Just shameless pols, damn them both.

#StayHome2014

Western_Civ on December 15, 2013 at 5:08 PM

Remember, you’re talking about a guy who couldn’t win a debate with Joe Biden.

bw222 on December 15, 2013 at 4:46 PM

You must have seen a different debate than I saw..:)

Dire Straits on December 15, 2013 at 5:10 PM

I say let’s cut out the corporatist middle-men and the inherent corruption it promotes and move to single-payer.

I think if there is a popular 3rd party candidate that promotes single-payer healthcare that a lot of Democrat voters are going to be shocked to find out that a majority of DC Democrats actually oppose single-payer in spite of their rhetoric to the contrary over the years. Their K-Street masters are pigs at the trough and don’t want to cut out the middle-man, themselves.

FloatingRock on December 15, 2013 at 5:15 PM

You GOP diehards tired of being lied to yet?

/crickets

gryphon202 on December 15, 2013 at 5:20 PM

Western_Civ on December 15, 2013 at 5:08 PM

Unfortunately a lot of formerly conservative blogs have been bought out by GOP establishment outfits. A lot of independent voices on the Internet are becoming less so.

FloatingRock on December 15, 2013 at 5:20 PM

Since [impeachment or congressional recall] is 100% an impossibility, what will tea party supporters do when they realize they can not possibly primary sitting members at the prime of their careers and the height of their powers. What will the tea party do now that the Wall Street money that quietly astroturfed their events has decided that the establishment is safer. Perhaps, just maybe, they will start to recognize that capital isn’t interested in an active democracy. Perhaps they will stop blaming “the government” and start following the money.

libfreeordie on December 15, 2013 at 4:22 PM

I’ve been agitating for nullification at the state level now for years. Dunno if it will happen, but I’ve had coffee with my local state house rep now several times tossing it around and seeing if anything will stick to the wall. I’m not giving up.

gryphon202 on December 15, 2013 at 5:22 PM

I for one am getting sick and tired of these RINO’s telling me what I should be doing. They are the employees of the people and not the other way around. If they would quit bending over for the Dems every time, we would have to call them on it. Primary everyone of them and get them out of positions of power. It’s the only hope for the country!

flytier on December 15, 2013 at 5:29 PM

Jazz, the problem is more than a simple disagreement. It’s that GOP leadership is lying to us and treating us like idiots.

If they said, “look, you guys are right, this deal blows, but it’s the best we thought we could get without getting blamed for a shutdown”, we might be upset, but we could understand their reasoning.

Nancy Pelosi was more honest than Ryan when she said “embrace the suck”.

Instead, they accuse us of bad faith or rush to judgment or being unreasonable. They pretend like this deal has merit beyond political expediency.

It’s a breach of trust more than anything.

Same thing with amnesty. They clearly want desperately to pass an amnesty bill but cannot be honest about it.

We have a party leadership that can’t be honest with it’s own base.

commodore on December 15, 2013 at 5:32 PM

FloatingRock on December 15, 2013 at 5:15 PM

Single payer doesn’t eliminate Gov as the middle man. It eliminates Insurance companies. The GOv still parcels out payments and sets the rules. Single payer stifles innovation and destroys healthy competition among doctors and hospitals. If the USA goes single payer then the whole world will suffer. At least now, even with the perversions of Ocare, There is some competition, albeit diminished and diminishing.

BoxHead1 on December 15, 2013 at 5:32 PM

We have a party leadership that can’t be honest with it’s own base.

commodore on December 15, 2013 at 5:32 PM

We also have a commentariat that has a hard time believing they are being lied to by the same people they’ve been voting for their whole lives.

gryphon202 on December 15, 2013 at 5:37 PM

Dire Straits on December 15, 2013 at 4:44 PM

Good to see you..:)Dire Straits on December 15, 2013 at 4:45 PM

Figures.

AH_C on December 15, 2013 at 5:53 PM

Since this is 100% an impossibility, what will tea party supporters do when they realize they can not possibly primary sitting members at the prime of their careers and the height of their powers. What will the tea party do now that the Wall Street money that quietly astroturfed their events has decided that the establishment is safer. Perhaps, just maybe, they will start to recognize that capital isn’t interested in an active democracy. Perhaps they will stop blaming “the government” and start following the money.

libfreeordie on December 15, 2013 at 4:22 PM

If 2014 goes the way some “cranks” are forecasting, then nothing is impossible. I expect Democrats may well lead the impeachment charge against Obama if he won’t allow them to roll back Obamacare. This is just the start of the show. It gets crazy from here.

DFCtomm on December 15, 2013 at 5:54 PM

We somehow elected a Speaker of the House whose reflex mode is to attack the wrong team. Brilliant.

HopeHeFails on December 15, 2013 at 6:00 PM

I would vote for Snowden or an alternative 3rd party candidate. Especially since I am pretty sure that Snowden is not anti-welfare and other progressive anti-poverty initiatives.

libfreeordie on December 15, 2013 at 4:42 PM

What would it take to turn you against the welfare state? How much evidence that it rots the morality of the nation would it take? Would the clients voting themselves a 95% tax rate on the rich do it? confiscation of property? Anything?

DFCtomm on December 15, 2013 at 6:02 PM

Ryan is just the latest exhibit A of the GOPe betraying conservatives. Y’all need to just let go of the party and focus on supporting your local conservative. As Reagan would say, I didn’t leave the GOP, the GOP left me and my family. High time Sarah, Newt, Cruz, Lee and Demint among others said the same and start acting on the notion.

AH_C on December 15, 2013 at 6:02 PM

Single payer doesn’t eliminate Gov as the middle man. It eliminates Insurance companies. The GOv still parcels out payments and sets the rules. Single payer stifles innovation and destroys healthy competition among doctors and hospitals. If the USA goes single payer then the whole world will suffer. At least now, even with the perversions of Ocare, There is some competition, albeit diminished and diminishing.

BoxHead1 on December 15, 2013 at 5:32 PM

True, the government is still a middle man, but moving from fascist Obamacare/Romneycare to socialist would get rid of the insurance middlemen who imposed Obamacare/Romneycare on America. I prefer free-market healthcare, but that path seems to be dead unless there is a successful 3rd party that is not beholden to K-Street, and since the free-market is dead then single-payer is better than Cronycare, IMO. I support insurance companies willing to compete in a free-market, but now that they’ve captured the market and are officially fascist insurance companies now, I oppose them.

FloatingRock on December 15, 2013 at 6:06 PM

I will never understand the tactics of winning elections by insulting the base. Can these guys show me an example where this has worked?

Cindy Munford on December 15, 2013 at 3:35 PM

Call it the “What About Bob?” strategy.

Jaibones on December 15, 2013 at 6:11 PM

Ryan on budget fight – Let’s keep it in the family

I’ve voted Republican for forty years, we divorced a few months back and it’s the best decision I ever made.

RJL on December 15, 2013 at 6:11 PM

I support insurance companies willing to compete in a free-market, but now that they’ve captured the market and are officially fascist insurance companies now, I oppose them.

FloatingRock on December 15, 2013 at 6:06 PM

So you oppose Fascist corporations, by supporting a Fascist government. I don’t think they can be separated in such a manner, since they seem to go together.

DFCtomm on December 15, 2013 at 6:13 PM

Ryan says he and House Speaker John Boehner of Ohio were frustrated that the groups voiced opposition to the budget agreement before it had been reached.

How many hours was the final bill available to peruse before it was voted into law?

Republicans taking their lead from Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid isn’t making them any friends in the Conservative branch of the Republican party.

RJL on December 15, 2013 at 6:15 PM

Ryan is just the latest exhibit A of the GOPe betraying conservatives. Y’all need to just let go of the party and focus on supporting your local conservative. As Reagan would say, I didn’t leave the GOP, the GOP left me and my family. High time Sarah, Newt, Cruz, Lee and Demint among others said the same and start acting on the notion.

AH_C on December 15, 2013 at 6:02 PM

Ryan IS someone’s local conservative. Or did you forget that congressional elections only happen at the respective states’ level?

gryphon202 on December 15, 2013 at 6:17 PM

This is really the larger challenge facing the GOP leadership in Washington in the wake of the House deal. Heritage, CFG and the other groups really have the same goals as Paul Ryan.

No they don’t have the same goals. The rinos seemingly want to take us to Totalitarian Marxism at the speed of sound instead of the Democrats speed of light. Heritage and others want to take us in a different direction altogether.

RJL on December 15, 2013 at 6:21 PM

That’s why I think Mark Levin’s idea of having the states hold a new constitutional convention may be the only solution…

FloatingRock on December 15, 2013 at 4:41 PM

The supposition being, of course, that the federal government, which ignores and breaks the Constitution whenever they please, will for some reason adhere to the limits that would arise from the state convention?

Seriously, is there any reason to believe they would abide by anything that came out of that process?

Midas on December 15, 2013 at 6:23 PM

The supposition being, of course, that the federal government, which ignores and breaks the Constitution whenever they please, will for some reason adhere to the limits that would arise from the state convention?

Seriously, is there any reason to believe they would abide by anything that came out of that process?

Midas on December 15, 2013 at 6:23 PM

They wouldn’t have any choice if one of the amendments made explicit the states’ right to nullify unconstitutional law independent of congressional action. ;)

gryphon202 on December 15, 2013 at 6:26 PM

Midas on December 15, 2013 at 6:23 PM

Probably won’t work as well as voting their azzes out of office and it surely will take longer but somehow we need to get their attention.

Cindy Munford on December 15, 2013 at 6:27 PM

F*ck you, Ryan. Nothing more to say to you and the rest of you anymore.

rrpjr on December 15, 2013 at 6:27 PM

Oh, and why didn’t Rep. Ryan take his own advice when he tried to take Rubio to the woodshed for not agreeing with the budget “compromise”?

Cindy Munford on December 15, 2013 at 6:29 PM

I think Levin’s idea would’ve been great 20 years ago. 10 years ago, maybe.

Today? Too late. It’s only value now would be that it would demonstrate that even *that* wouldn’t stop the federal tyranny (they will totally ignore it, and the SC will uphold the state actions to be unconstitutional, etc), and would finally get people like Levin to the full realization that we’re only left with the actions that ‘the founders’ found themselves left with.

But by then, many years in the future from now, it would be too late for even that, probably. By then, the feds will have already provoked something – by pushing us into amnesty and wholescale attempting gun control in order to disarm everyone, etc.

It’s just going to get dramatically worse from here.

Midas on December 15, 2013 at 6:30 PM

They wouldn’t have any choice if one of the amendments made explicit the states’ right to nullify unconstitutional law independent of congressional action. ;)

gryphon202 on December 15, 2013 at 6:26 PM

Ok, let’s say the states do it. In reaction, Obama says the government doesn’t recognize it, Congress says they don’t recognize it, and the SC says it is unconstitutional.

Then what? We’re simply where we are today – but many years down the road and further deteriorated. It’s a great concept, but it’s going to be a futile exercise.

Midas on December 15, 2013 at 6:33 PM

They wouldn’t have any choice if one of the amendments made explicit the states’ right to nullify unconstitutional law independent of congressional action. ;)

gryphon202 on December 15, 2013 at 6:26 PM

Won’t work. They would just call it something else and continue on. They’ve been doing that for a long time now. If the government chooses not to follow the constitution, then it’s up to the people to stop them. A people elects the government that it deserves, no matter what it’s founding document says. It’s just words on paper. Besides, if you opened the constitution for amendment you wouldn’t like what you got in the end.

DFCtomm on December 15, 2013 at 6:33 PM

Those that betray their Constitution and duties need to suffer first and most. Get ready people…it won’t be pretty or painless but the alternative is worse.

trs on December 15, 2013 at 6:35 PM

Besides, if you opened the constitution for amendment you wouldn’t like what you got in the end.

DFCtomm on December 15, 2013 at 6:33 PM

Then I can vote against ratification. You make it sound like the states would be hostage to whatever end-product a constitutional convention comes up with. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Look at it this way: The coastal states are more populous, but there are still more states in flyover country than there are on the coasts, and ratification requires 3/4 of the states, not 3/4 of the people.

gryphon202 on December 15, 2013 at 6:35 PM

Ok, let’s say the states do it. In reaction, Obama says the government doesn’t recognize it, Congress says they don’t recognize it, and the SC says it is unconstitutional.

Then what? We’re simply where we are today – but many years down the road and further deteriorated. It’s a great concept, but it’s going to be a futile exercise.

Midas on December 15, 2013 at 6:33 PM

Then the county sheriffs have to do their job and enforce state law — up to and including detaining any federal agent who breaks it. For gawd’s sake man, have a little imagination.

What happens if you or I break the law? There are consequences. Thus should it be for the federales. I’m solidly in the “it won’t be pretty or easy” camp, but nothing worthwhile ever is.

gryphon202 on December 15, 2013 at 6:37 PM

If Heritage Action, Americans for Prosperity, and the Club for Growth have some “roadmap” to a better deal, they should share it, by all means.

But they don’t.

They just want to criticize, which is easy enough. But not particularly helpful.

What do they want that is possible to achieve now? Another shutdown? Sequester cuts kept in force? Well, the time to come out for that was when Boehner proposed it in September and Reid and Obama said they’d go along. Instead, a lot of these people got on board the runaway “defund” train and screwed the pooch themselves for sequester, and now want to blame Boehner and Ryan.

Adjoran on December 15, 2013 at 6:37 PM

Keep it in the family? After the public insults and anger?

I’ve read the most ironclad rules in dysfunctional families are deny the abuse even exists and certainly don’t talk about the abuse outside the family.

I’m not volunteering for the role of abused spouse.

INC on December 15, 2013 at 6:38 PM

So you oppose Fascist corporations, by supporting a Fascist government. I don’t think they can be separated in such a manner, since they seem to go together.

DFCtomm on December 15, 2013 at 6:13 PM

No, I oppose fascism and oppose our fascist government. Fascism is when big-government and big-business are in bed together and fascist corporations use government force to their own ends, such as the Obamacare mandate, and government uses their corporate partners to their own ends, such as Apple, Microsoft and Google working with the NSA to systematically violate the rights of the American people to protect the ruling class.

I oppose socialism, too, but I prefer socialized medicine over the fascist kind that DC and K-street partners have imposed on us. Let’s at least cut K-street out of it even if we can’t get rid of all the pigs at the trough.

And anyway, for all I know Snowden leans toward the free-market. I’ve read theories by some on the right that he may be left of center but he is a genuine champion of freedom and liberty, he put his money and life where his mouth is, so I don’t think he’s a Marxist.

But if Snowden does support single-payer it is going to be hilarious to watch as Democrats are forced to oppose something that they’ve claimed to want. I allege that their so-called support for single-payer is nothing more than another convenient political lie to appease their base and that the K-Street Crony Party has no intention of giving up Cronycare fascism.

FloatingRock on December 15, 2013 at 6:38 PM

Don’t confuse the state-driven convention process with a ‘constitutional convention’ in terms of what that might yield; two different processes, I believe.

But either way, I think you’re kidding yourself if you think Levin’s process – admirable a goal as it is – would yield anything that a tyrannical, constitution-violating federal government would do anything but snicker at, and roll merrily along doing whatever the hell it wants to do.

Midas on December 15, 2013 at 6:39 PM

If Heritage Action, Americans for Prosperity, and the Club for Growth have some “roadmap” to a better deal, they should share it, by all means.

But they don’t.

They just want to criticize, which is easy enough. But not particularly helpful.

What do they want that is possible to achieve now? Another shutdown? Sequester cuts kept in force? Well, the time to come out for that was when Boehner proposed it in September and Reid and Obama said they’d go along. Instead, a lot of these people got on board the runaway “defund” train and screwed the pooch themselves for sequester, and now want to blame Boehner and Ryan.

Adjoran on December 15, 2013 at 6:37 PM

I presented a “road map” upthread. And then a bunch of naysayers took to their keyboards to tell me why it won’t work. I have seen the enemy, and he is us.

gryphon202 on December 15, 2013 at 6:39 PM

Bmore on December 15, 2013 at 4:44 PM

Good to see you..:)

Dire Straits on December 15, 2013 at 6:41 PM

Look at it this way: The coastal states are more populous, but there are still more states in flyover country than there are on the coasts, and ratification requires 3/4 of the states, not 3/4 of the people.

gryphon202 on December 15, 2013 at 6:35 PM

Didn’t we see enough state level Republicans turn on us on Obamacare when some money was waved under their noses? Jan Brewer comes to mind.

DFCtomm on December 15, 2013 at 6:41 PM

Then the county sheriffs have to do their job and enforce state law — up to and including detaining any federal agent who breaks it. For gawd’s sake man, have a little imagination.

What happens if you or I break the law? There are consequences. Thus should it be for the federales. I’m solidly in the “it won’t be pretty or easy” camp, but nothing worthwhile ever is.

gryphon202 on December 15, 2013 at 6:37 PM

Then we are in the same camp, friend. I’m just trying to break it plainly to folks who are starry-eyed in their expectations over what this ‘Levin process’ is or isn’t going to do.

I do think that it’s a fools errand, and will cost us time that may prove to our detriment in the long run, unfortunately.

Midas on December 15, 2013 at 6:43 PM

Dire Straits on December 15, 2013 at 4:44 PM

Good to see you..:)Dire Straits on December 15, 2013 at 4:45 PM

Figures.

AH_C on December 15, 2013 at 5:53 PM

Thanks for pointing out my mistake..I meant that post for Bmore not myself..I posted that right before I left to run an errand..Sorry..My mistake..:)

Dire Straits on December 15, 2013 at 6:46 PM

Fascism is when big-government and big-business are in bed together and fascist corporations use government force to their own ends, such as the Obamacare mandate, and government uses their corporate partners to their own ends, such as Apple, Microsoft and Google working with the NSA to systematically violate the rights of the American people to protect the ruling class.

FloatingRock on December 15, 2013 at 6:38 PM

That certainly sounds like us, and that’s my point. I’m not sure how you hope to get a Socialist medical system out of a Fascist government. Do you expect to get kittens when your dog gets pregnant?

DFCtomm on December 15, 2013 at 6:46 PM

Midas on December 15, 2013 at 6:39 PM

Agreed, from what I understand a Constitutional Convention could breed even more chaos than we have now.

Cindy Munford on December 15, 2013 at 6:48 PM

I will never understand the tactics of winning elections by insulting the base. Can these guys show me an example where this has worked?

Cindy Munford on December 15, 2013 at 3:35 PM

I can show you examples of the respectable right throwing elections to hurt the tea party. Does that count?

It shows the GOP establishment is basically a shill and really wants to beat the conservative base over beating Democrats.

All that stuff about pulling together to win! is about pressuring the base to abandon its interests and conservatives to abandon their principles and unite behind non-conservative candidates with policies that harm the base. When the Karl Rove establishment loses a fight, all that unity and winning-above-all nonsense is out the window.

And on the most fundamental issue of all, mass immigration, which is 90% non-white and 80% Democrat-voting, they are all for it. It will destroy the GOP but they don’t care. It will be the end on all conservative issues from spending to abortion, but they don’t care about that either. Mass non-white immigration into all white countries and only white countries plus forced assimilation (with affirmative action, section 8 housing and so on) is genocide for whites, because it guarantees a future where there will be no white people.

The conservative base is 90% white, Christian and mostly working class. What does the GOP do for whites, Christians and the working class? It does not even try to secure them legal equality and the end of adverse preferences.

The GOP establishment is a sham. They are pursuing liberal ends by sneaky means.

David Blue on December 15, 2013 at 6:48 PM

As Reagan would say, I didn’t leave the GOP, the GOP left me and my family. High time Sarah, Newt, Cruz, Lee and Demint among others said the same and start acting on the notion.

AH_C on December 15, 2013 at 6:02 PM

First off Reagan would not say that Here is what Reagan said..”The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor.”
Ronald Reagan
..:)

Dire Straits on December 15, 2013 at 6:51 PM

THIS is The Crap that Ryan and Boehner and Patty Murray want to “Keep In The Family“:

“Fact Check: Paul Ryan Twisted Truth to Sell Budget Deal to House”

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/12/14/Fact-Check-Paul-Ryan-twisted-truth-to-sell-budget-deal-to-House

williamg on December 15, 2013 at 6:51 PM

FloatingRock on December 15, 2013 at 6:38 PM

At this point both parties demonstrate those tendencies, just for different corporations. The Republicans are hoping to please their masters by a huge influx of aliens who will soon be obsolete.

Cindy Munford on December 15, 2013 at 6:52 PM

If Heritage Action, Americans for Prosperity, and the Club for Growth have some “roadmap” to a better deal, they should share it, by all means.

Adjoran on December 15, 2013 at 6:37 PM

Even a clean CR would have been better and would have kept the focus on Obamacare, if that were the goal, but a clean CR wouldn’t allow them to undo the sequester cuts and increase funding to their crony pigs at the trough, and that was their main goal. So instead of passing a clean CR and trying to keep the focus on Obamacare they let their K-Street cronies write the budget and started a so-called civil war, which takes the attention away from Obamacare, something they laughably pretend they were trying to avoid. In case it has escaped anybodies notice, K-street loves Obamacare, and I’m thinking perhaps they would prefer that people spend more time hating conservatives and tea partiers and less time hating Obamacare.

FloatingRock on December 15, 2013 at 6:52 PM

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