Chinese naval vessel tries to stop US Navy vessel in the South China Sea

posted at 11:21 am on December 13, 2013 by Steve Eggleston

Bill Gertz over at the Washington Free Beacon reports that the Chinese military, in this case the People’s Liberation Army Navy, is getting quite frisky in the international waters of the South China Sea:

The guided missile cruiser USS Cowpens, which recently took part in disaster relief operations in the Philippines, was confronted by Chinese warships in the South China Sea near Beijing’s new aircraft carrier Liaoning, according to officials familiar with the incident.

“On December 5th, while lawfully operating in international waters in the South China Sea, USS Cowpens and a PLA Navy vessel had an encounter that required maneuvering to avoid a collision,” a Navy official said….

The Cowpens was conducting surveillance of the Liaoning at the time. The carrier had recently sailed from the port of Qingdao on the northern Chinese coast into the South China Sea.

According to the officials, the run-in began after a Chinese navy vessel sent a hailing warning and ordered the Cowpens to stop. The cruiser continued on its course and refused the order because it was operating in international waters.

Then a Chinese tank landing ship sailed in front of the Cowpens and stopped, forcing the Cowpens to abruptly change course in what the officials said was a dangerous maneuver.

The South China Sea is much like the East China Sea where the Chinese recently declared an expanded air-defense identification zone covering areas claimed by both Japan and South Korea. Both are potentially quite rich in oil and gas deposits. The Chinese have been trying to declare everything outside 12 miles from neighboring countries’ populated coastlines as their territorial waters, as well as claiming several uninhabited islands also claimed by other countries such as the Philipines and Vietnam.

This is not the first time China has used military force to harrass US forces operating in the region. Back in 2001, the People’s Liberation Army Air Force forced an EP-3 to make an emergency landing on Hainan Island after one of its interceptors collided with the EP-3 in international airspace. At least three times in the last several years, intelligence-gathering ships were harrassed by the PLAN. The harrassment of an armed vessel represents an escalation of actions.


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This is why they have Davey Jones’s Locker.

Akzed on December 13, 2013 at 11:23 AM

Obama immediately sternly and powerfully apologized.

mankai on December 13, 2013 at 11:23 AM

People’s Liberation Army Navy

So their Army/Navy game is just an intra-squad game?

Akzed on December 13, 2013 at 11:25 AM

Obama immediately sternly and powerfully apologized.

mankai on December 13, 2013 at 11:23 AM

…with a bow.

Steve Eggleston on December 13, 2013 at 11:25 AM

Do they want to start a war? I think the Cowpens could have sunk that Chinese vessel pretty easily and then gotten out of Dodge. What was that movie “The Bedford Incident”?

major dad on December 13, 2013 at 11:26 AM

We should re-commission one of our old Iowa-class battleships and send it over there to do surveillance. Let them sail one of their little aluminum ships in front of that baby.

trigon on December 13, 2013 at 11:27 AM

What was that movie “The Bedford Incident”?

major dad on December 13, 2013 at 11:26 AM

Yeah. Uh… The ‘Bedford’ didn’t get away.

trigon on December 13, 2013 at 11:28 AM

“You reave our water right now! Yankee go home!”

Yeah ok. Claiming most of the major shipping lanes in the region as your territorial waters won’t have any affect on other nations around there; the Chinese version of Smart Power.

Bishop on December 13, 2013 at 11:29 AM

I was wondering when you were going to bring this over fromm Ace’s place.

Jeff Weimer on December 13, 2013 at 11:29 AM

So their Army/Navy game is just an intra-squad game?

Akzed on December 13, 2013 at 11:25 AM

As is the games with the air force.

Do they want to start a war? I think the Cowpens could have sunk that Chinese vessel pretty easily and then gotten out of Dodge. What was that movie “The Bedford Incident”?

major dad on December 13, 2013 at 11:26 AM

One versus a battle group? The Cowpens would have been sunk, but she would have taken more than just the LST with her.

Besides, that’s how shooting wars start.

Steve Eggleston on December 13, 2013 at 11:29 AM

The Chinese are so overdue for a beating. Thanks, President Clinton.

CaptFlood on December 13, 2013 at 11:29 AM

Ramming speed!!

HotAirian on December 13, 2013 at 11:29 AM

Do they want to start a war? I think the Cowpens could have sunk that Chinese vessel pretty easily and then gotten out of Dodge. What was that movie “The Bedford Incident”?

major dad on December 13, 2013 at 11:26 AM

This is classic Cold-War style harassment. We and the USSR used to play games like this all the time. They call it “shouldering”.

Jeff Weimer on December 13, 2013 at 11:30 AM

I was wondering when you were going to bring this over fromm Ace’s place.

Jeff Weimer on December 13, 2013 at 11:29 AM

Had it in the queue the same time BenK got the AoSHQ piece up, but HA is a bit stricter about the timing of posts appearing.

Steve Eggleston on December 13, 2013 at 11:31 AM

Get used to this. As long as the man-child is in office, the rest of the world has nothing to fear from the USA.

I can’t believe the Chi-Coms haven’t taken Japan already along with all of Asia. The Coward-in-Chief would do NOTHING.

Talon on December 13, 2013 at 11:32 AM

Had it in the queue the same time BenK got the AoSHQ piece up, but HA is a bit stricter about the timing of posts appearing.

Steve Eggleston on December 13, 2013 at 11:31 AM

Fair enough. They do have coordination issues over there sometimes.

Jeff Weimer on December 13, 2013 at 11:32 AM

The view from the USS Cowpens’ bridge.

Akzed on December 13, 2013 at 11:32 AM

This is classic Cold-War style harassment. We and the USSR used to play games like this all the time. They call it “shouldering”.

Jeff Weimer on December 13, 2013 at 11:30 AM

Very true, though it usually didn’t involve armed surface ships on both sides. Usually, it was an intel trawler getting shouldered, or a sub getting pinged.

Outside the Hainan EP-3 incident, I don’t recall China doing armed-vs-armed shoulderings.

Steve Eggleston on December 13, 2013 at 11:33 AM

They haven’t gotten the word that we’re on the same side now under Obama. Maybe Biden confused them.

kcewa on December 13, 2013 at 11:33 AM

Akzed on December 13, 2013 at 11:32 AM

LOL Perfect!

ElectricPhase on December 13, 2013 at 11:34 AM

The view from the USS Cowpens’ bridge.

Akzed on December 13, 2013 at 11:32 AM

If only I had that view for the thumbnail,…

Nice pic.

Steve Eggleston on December 13, 2013 at 11:34 AM

Weakness is provocative.

This is classic Cold-War style harassment. We and the USSR used to play games like this all the time. They call it “shouldering”.

Jeff Weimer on December 13, 2013 at 11:30 AM

Definitely. I don’t have a lot of confidence in our “leaders” to respond to this correctly, unfortunately.

Doomberg on December 13, 2013 at 11:35 AM

PPPffft… happens all the time. We sailors don’t mind trading paint…. plus, New Zealand did it to a US Flagged vessel just 2 months ago…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=RjRgCOXRx_U#t=9

Defenestratus on December 13, 2013 at 11:37 AM

@Bishop:

You reave our water right now! Yankee go home!”

The Communist Chinese are fascists, murderers and imperialists. They violate their own people’s human rights. They pollute the environment. They manipulate their currency. They extract surplus from their agrarian economy and labor force and use that to prime the pump for export-driven growth that cannot go on forever, thereby distorting the world economy. Their products contain lead in them. They are generally geopolitical enemies of the United States.

We need not add racial elements to this in order to say bad things about China. They do enough on the merits to warrant criticism.

Doodad Pro on December 13, 2013 at 11:37 AM

IIRC, incidents like this were pretty commonplace during the Cold War in the Med, off the North Cape, and in the North Atlantic.

This level of harassment is not the act of a ‘friendly nation’, and the PRC’s sabre rattling over the China Sea is a real risk to peace. One of the reasons they are likely escalating this is because they perceive Barack Obama as being extremely feckless and weak – likely unwilling to do much to support the RoC, Japan, RoK, Vietnam, the Philippines, or Australia.

Athos on December 13, 2013 at 11:38 AM

Very true, though it usually didn’t involve armed surface ships on both sides. Usually, it was an intel trawler getting shouldered, or a sub getting pinged.

Outside the Hainan EP-3 incident, I don’t recall China doing armed-vs-armed shoulderings.

Steve Eggleston on December 13, 2013 at 11:33 AM

Happened more often than we thought. The Soviets absolutely loved to run their fast ships through our formations.

Here’s an article from Stars and Strips a few years ago that has a picture of a Krivak Frigate attempting to shoulder the Yorktown and coming into contact in 1988. http://www.stripes.com/news/navy-reviewing-use-of-shouldering-tactic-used-to-divert-enemy-ships-1.40638

Jeff Weimer on December 13, 2013 at 11:39 AM

The view from the USS Cowpens’ bridge.

Akzed on December 13, 2013 at 11:32 AM

Hook Em’!

Great Pic.

workingclass artist on December 13, 2013 at 11:39 AM

Please…..US Navy ship names need to be in ALL CAPS. And ships are not to be referred to as “the USS WHATEVER”. Drop the word “the”. It is a formal name.

Try this at your company Christmas party:

“Hi…have you met my wife yet?….Oh…well then, this is the Mrs. Bobmbx”

BobMbx on December 13, 2013 at 11:40 AM

So their Army/Navy game is just an intra-squad game?

Akzed on December 13, 2013 at 11:25 AM

Doubles ping pong round robin tournament.

oldroy on December 13, 2013 at 11:42 AM

Back in 2001, the People’s Liberation Army Air Force forced an EP-3 to make an emergency landing on Hainan Island after one of its interceptors collided with the EP-3 in international airspace.
==================================================

AN INSIDE LOOK AT THE CHINA RESCUE MISSION

April 12, 2001

By Captain Guy Greider, Continental Airlines
********************************************

http://www.cargolaw.com/2001nightmare_apology.html

canopfor on November 28, 2013 at 1:09 PM

canopfor on December 13, 2013 at 11:42 AM

We need not add racial elements to this in order to say bad things about China. Doodad Pro on December 13, 2013 at 11:37 AM

Did you hear the one about the Chinese godfather?

He makes you an offer you can’t understand.

Akzed on December 13, 2013 at 11:43 AM

Doodad Pro on December 13, 2013 at 11:37 AM

Lighten up Francis.

Talon on December 13, 2013 at 11:44 AM

DarkCurrent must be in the party meeting, yet.

Schadenfreude on December 13, 2013 at 11:44 AM

Great.

With obama in office I really feel for our military.

b1jetmech on December 13, 2013 at 11:45 AM

@Talon and Azked:

And you wonder why the Republican party is losing Asian Americans?

Doodad Pro on December 13, 2013 at 11:45 AM

Please…..US Navy ship names need to be in ALL CAPS. And ships are not to be referred to as “the USS WHATEVER”. Drop the word “the”. It is a formal name.

Try this at your company Christmas party:

“Hi…have you met my wife yet?….Oh…well then, this is the Mrs. Bobmbx”

BobMbx on December 13, 2013 at 11:40 AM

Take it up with the Beacon and Gertz – I merely quoted what he wrote.

Oh, and unless you’re talking about aircraft carriers or SSBNs/SSGNs, it’s “boat”.

Steve Eggleston on December 13, 2013 at 11:45 AM

The Communist Chinese are fascists, murderers and imperialists. They violate their own people’s human rights. They pollute the environment. They manipulate their currency. They extract surplus from their agrarian economy and labor force and use that to prime the pump for export-driven growth that cannot go on forever, thereby distorting the world economy. Their products contain lead in them. They are generally geopolitical enemies of the United States.

You al light.

We need not add racial elements to this in order to say bad things about China. They do enough on the merits to warrant criticism.

Doodad Pro on December 13, 2013 at 11:37 AM

You al the lacist.

Schadenfreude on December 13, 2013 at 11:46 AM

Better, Doodad

You al da lacist.

Schadenfreude on December 13, 2013 at 11:46 AM

BobMbx on December 13, 2013 at 11:40 AM

Why would I introduce my wife as the Mrs. BobMbx at the office Christmas party? Are you saying that I should introduce her as MRS. BOBMBX?

Akzed on December 13, 2013 at 11:46 AM

canopfor on December 13, 2013 at 11:42 AM

We’re only now fielding replacement IFF equipment compromised from that event.

Jeff Weimer on December 13, 2013 at 11:47 AM

China’s territorial disputes: who owns what?

Far from being a problem confined to the past, territorial disputes remain a thorny issue on parts of China’s vast borders, threatening to overshadow relations with its neighbours. Here we examine some of the key disputes that still plague the frontiers of China. Click on the countries in the key for more information.

http://www.scmp.com/infographics/article/1379601/chinas-territorial-disputes-who-owns-what

canopfor on December 13, 2013 at 11:48 AM

Ramming speed!!

HotAirian on December 13, 2013 at 11:29 AM

Too bad we retired the battleships.

agmartin on December 13, 2013 at 11:48 AM

DarkCurrent must be in the party meeting, yet.

Schadenfreude on December 13, 2013 at 11:44 AM

No, it’s already over.

DarkCurrent on December 13, 2013 at 11:48 AM

“For over 40 years we have assumed that DNA changes affecting the genetic code solely impact how proteins are made,” UW genome sciences Professor John Stamatoyannopoulos said. “Now we know that this basic assumption about reading the human genome missed half of the picture. These new findings highlight that DNA is an incredibly powerful information storage device, which nature has fully exploited in unexpected ways.”

http://www.breitbart.com/system/wire/upiUPI-20131212-174536-3107

davidk on December 13, 2013 at 11:49 AM

Lighten up Francis.

Talon on December 13, 2013 at 11:44 AM

Duh, that’s: Lighten up Flancis :)

Schadenfreude on December 13, 2013 at 11:49 AM

Can someone explain to me why we haven’t blown the S__T out of these commie bastards yet?

el hombre on December 13, 2013 at 11:49 AM

(Bad Bishop!)

davidk on December 13, 2013 at 11:49 AM

Hmmm…Ryan-Murray ‘budget deal’ cuts benefits to active military, leaves in place retirees’ pensions and care. Hmmm…

Nothing like a depleted US military and an untended one just as China asserts it’s military…

Hmmm…

Lourdes on December 13, 2013 at 11:50 AM

And you wonder why the Republican party is losing Asian Americans? Doodad Pro on December 13, 2013 at 11:45 AM

I forget, when did I declare my party affiliation? Normally I don’t let anyone know because I’m always concerned about alienating orientals.

Akzed on December 13, 2013 at 11:50 AM

“You reave our water right now! Yankee go home!”

Bishop on December 13, 2013 at 11:29 AM

Hirarious and not at all racist! Everyone knows Chinese people can’t pronounce ‘l’ as in ‘leave’ or ‘Bruce Lee’

DarkCurrent on December 13, 2013 at 11:50 AM

China’s territorial disputes: who owns what?

Far from being a problem confined to the past, territorial disputes remain a thorny issue on parts of China’s vast borders, threatening to overshadow relations with its neighbours. Here we examine some of the key disputes that still plague the frontiers of China. Click on the countries in the key for more information.

http://www.scmp.com/infographics/article/1379601/chinas-territorial-disputes-who-owns-what

canopfor on December 13, 2013 at 11:48 AM

I read something a while back about the territory over which they are “fighting” has oil.

davidk on December 13, 2013 at 11:51 AM

And you wonder why the Republican party is losing Asian Americans?

Doodad Pro on December 13, 2013 at 11:45 AM

Flancis, to Hell with them. I always thought they were way smarter than all the other idiots around the land.

Then they voted for obama. They are cooked. To Hades with such idiots. Who cares about the Repubicans? They are cooked too. All, the Ds, the Rs and the Asians are traitors to the land, out for their own handouts, looters and moochers to a T.

One can NO longer say that the Asians are the smart independent entrepreneurs. Anyone who brung/kept obama, you are him. Period.

Schadenfreude on December 13, 2013 at 11:51 AM

Can someone explain to me why we haven’t blown the S__T out of these commie bastards yet?

el hombre on December 13, 2013 at 11:49 AM

It’s in China’s national character to aggress militarily — there’s a national, cultural imperative assumed by China that they “are to rule” others.

I wonder if their Communism is the least of the problem they present, which, coming from me, is suggesting a lot.

Lourdes on December 13, 2013 at 11:52 AM

Hirarious and not at all racist! Everyone knows Chinese people can’t pronounce ‘l’ as in ‘leave’ or ‘Bruce Lee’

DarkCurrent on December 13, 2013 at 11:50 AM

This is why I don’t hate you, just dislike your anti-Americanism.

Schadenfreude on December 13, 2013 at 11:53 AM

Ramming speed!! HotAirian on December 13, 2013 at 11:29 AM

The problem with sinking Chinee boats is that, an hour later you want to sink more.

Akzed on December 13, 2013 at 11:53 AM

Ramming speed!!

HotAirian on December 13, 2013 at 11:29 AM

That means something different to people that lead from behind.

Flange on December 13, 2013 at 11:53 AM

No, it’s already over.

DarkCurrent on December 13, 2013 at 11:48 AM

:)

I noticed…you showed up, as I knew you would.

Schadenfreude on December 13, 2013 at 11:54 AM

Ramming speed!!

HotAirian on December 13, 2013 at 11:29 AM

You’re not PC. That w/b “Lamming speed”.

Schadenfreude on December 13, 2013 at 11:55 AM

@Talon and Azked:

And you wonder why the Republican party is losing Asian Americans?

Doodad Pro on December 13, 2013 at 11:45 AM

Thanks concern troll.

I hoe someone gets you a sense of humor for Christmas.

Now RIGHTEN UP FRANCIS!!!

Talon on December 13, 2013 at 11:55 AM

This is classic Cold-War style harassment. We and the USSR used to play games like this all the time. They call it “shouldering”.

Jeff Weimer on December 13, 2013 at 11:30 AM

We used to take the subs right into the USSR ports and snoop around.

Schadenfreude on December 13, 2013 at 11:57 AM

Duh, that’s: Lighten up Flancis :)

Schadenfreude on December 13, 2013 at 11:49 AM

We both missed!

Righten up Francis!!

Talon on December 13, 2013 at 11:57 AM

Then they voted for obama. They are cooked. To Hades with such idiots. Who cares about the Repubicans? They are cooked too. All, the Ds, the Rs and the Asians are traitors to the land, out for their own handouts, looters and moochers to a T.

One can NO longer say that the Asians are the smart independent entrepreneurs. Anyone who brung/kept obama, you are him. Period.

Schadenfreude on December 13, 2013 at 11:51 AM

I agree with Schadenfreude.

ANYone who assumes “Asians” (quite a generality, that, but, anyway…) are available to vote Republican just doesn’t know many Asians, at least not well enough for them to be lucid as to their political wants, expectations.

China is ALSO a problematic source of illegal immigration to the US. Many illegal aliens in US are from China, Korea, Southeast Asia but mostly from China.

AND though they are enterprising, they do all expect government provisions and they vote for more of them if and when they do vote or their children do.

People who come to the US from Socialist/Communist countries don’t stop voting for increasing Socialism/Communist policies and politicians after they’re here. To the contrary, they are quite Leftwing politically.

Lourdes on December 13, 2013 at 11:57 AM

Now RIGHTEN UP FRANCIS!!!

Talon on December 13, 2013 at 11:55 AM

You started out good…but it’s “FLANCIS”.

Schadenfreude on December 13, 2013 at 11:57 AM

@Azked:

Sorry for assuming your party affiliation. Did you vote for Obama? If so, I feel sorry for you.

Whatever your party affiliation, the unfair perception among Asian-Americans is that conservatives in general are racist.

At least as far as I have experienced, that is not true, but stuff like this keeps that perception going. Asian-Americans are the fastest growing ethnic group in the U.S. right now, and culturally, their tendency is to support ideas that conservatives can agree with, yet for some reason, they overwhelmingly vote liberal Democrat.

Doodad Pro on December 13, 2013 at 11:58 AM

The captain of the chinese vessel has been identified as Wi Tu Slo.

Imrahil on December 13, 2013 at 12:00 PM

canopfor on December 13, 2013 at 11:48 AM

I read something a while back about the territory over which they are “fighting” has oil.

davidk on December 13, 2013 at 11:51 AM

That’s correct — it’s a case of mining resources in the sea around/adjacent to those islands that is the cause of China’s aggression upon them.

Lourdes on December 13, 2013 at 12:00 PM

Lourdes on December 13, 2013 at 11:57 AM

Indians too. Soon most doctors, all gov’t employed, will be from India, China and Pakistan, and the likes, same as in the national ‘care’ systems in Europe. All other doctors are private.

Plus, nowhere are there mandates, not even in Russia and China, just in obamaland.

Schadenfreude on December 13, 2013 at 12:01 PM

Hirarious and not at all racist! Everyone knows Chinese people can’t pronounce ‘l’ as in ‘leave’ or ‘Bruce Lee’

DarkCurrent on December 13, 2013 at 11:50 AM

Off topic, but since we are already there….

In your photostream, you have pictures of a tabletop clay charcoal grill. I’ve seen Japanese versions – Yakitori/hibachi grill…

What do the Chinese call that thing?

oldroy on December 13, 2013 at 12:01 PM

canopfor on December 13, 2013 at 11:48 AM

I read something a while back about the territory over which they are “fighting” has oil.

davidk on December 13, 2013 at 11:51 AM

That’s correct — it’s a case of mining resources in the sea around/adjacent to those islands that is the cause of China’s aggression upon them.

Lourdes on December 13, 2013 at 12:00 PM

What the public SHOULD ALSO be aware of is that China’s making the same aggressive “in-roading” into the Gulf of Mexico, right off the US border to the South.

Lourdes on December 13, 2013 at 12:01 PM

Whatever your party affiliation, the unfair perception among Asian-Americans is that conservatives in general are racist.

That is their problem, not the R’s.

At least as far as I have experienced, that is not true, but stuff like this keeps that perception going. Asian-Americans are the fastest growing ethnic group in the U.S. right now, and culturally, their tendency is to support ideas that conservatives can agree with, yet for some reason, they overwhelmingly vote liberal Democrat.

Doodad Pro on December 13, 2013 at 11:58 AM

Molons!

Schadenfreude on December 13, 2013 at 12:02 PM

Have an attack sub in the area next time you’re patrolling. If they try that trick again, have the sub suddenly surface right behind the Chinese ship.

Socratease on December 13, 2013 at 12:02 PM

I noticed…you showed up, as I knew you would.

Schadenfreude on December 13, 2013 at 11:54 AM

Obviously this story would trip my ultra-sophisticated HA monitoring system, but I don’t actually have enough information to form an opinion on this story yet.

DarkCurrent on December 13, 2013 at 12:03 PM

Because Retro is hot or something…

“Keep an eye towards Asia in the early 21st century. The current circumstances there resemble that of late 18th and early 19th century Europe. Land and sea grabs, rising and declining great powers, irredentist feelings, historical rivalries, increased military spending, a thirst for power, domestic need for resources, and poor communication….” – Ben K

http://ace.mu.nu/

workingclass artist on December 13, 2013 at 12:03 PM

Lourdes on December 13, 2013 at 11:57 AM

Indians too. Soon most doctors, all gov’t employed, will be from India, China and Pakistan, and the likes, same as in the national ‘care’ systems in Europe. All other doctors are private.

Plus, nowhere are there mandates, not even in Russia and China, just in obamaland.

Schadenfreude on December 13, 2013 at 12:01 PM

All over-populated countries have to do, apparently, to rip-off the US is demand “immigration reform” (meaning, amnesty, no enforcement of US immigration laws, standards, let anyone in to stay). You’re right that India has it’s share of blame in the same process used by China in that regard.

Is there NO ONE in DC who has ANY sense? It’s like they’re all cheap harlots available to sell their souls (and the nation’s) for the first cheap bottle of cologne.

Lourdes on December 13, 2013 at 12:04 PM

The captain of the chinese vessel has been identified as Wi Tu Slo.

Imrahil on December 13, 2013 at 12:00 PM

You not PC but I’ll send you do for the laughs :)

Schadenfreude on December 13, 2013 at 12:04 PM

@Talon

I am not a concern troll. I am an Asian-American who believes in conservative principles, and I was pointing out that there are plenty of bad things to say about China without having to make fun of anyone’s pronunciation.

A large majority of Asian-Americans that I know who are not religious would never vote for a conservative because they think conservatives are racist, even though they would agree with conservative principles (self-reliance, hard work, less government, importance of family, etc.).

I am merely pointing out that the sort of stuff that some folks here are posting reinforces the Asian-American stereotype of conservatives.

Doodad Pro on December 13, 2013 at 12:04 PM

Is there NO ONE in DC who has ANY sense? It’s like they’re all cheap harlots available to sell their souls (and the nation’s) for the first cheap bottle of cologne.

Lourdes on December 13, 2013 at 12:04 PM

You al light :)

Schadenfreude on December 13, 2013 at 12:05 PM

Like criticizing Muslims/Islam, in this now-hypersensitive world, making fun of speech patterns is a form of racism – who would have guessed?

Some people really do need to lrighten up…

Anti-Control on December 13, 2013 at 12:05 PM

Ben K. is right:

“Keep an eye towards Asia in the early 21st century. The current circumstances there resemble that of late 18th and early 19th century Europe. Land and sea grabs, rising and declining great powers, irredentist feelings, historical rivalries, increased military spending, a thirst for power, domestic need for resources, and poor communication….” – Ben K

http://ace.mu.nu/

workingclass artist on December 13, 2013 at 12:03 PM

Lourdes on December 13, 2013 at 12:05 PM

When they briefed the president his first comment was “We have a Navy?”

E9RET on December 13, 2013 at 12:05 PM

Please…..US Navy ship names need to be in ALL CAPS. And ships are not to be referred to as “the USS WHATEVER”. Drop the word “the”. It is a formal name.

Try this at your company Christmas party:

“Hi…have you met my wife yet?….Oh…well then, this is the Mrs. Bobmbx”

BobMbx on December 13, 2013 at 11:40 AM

As with a lot of English usage rules, this one, too, does not have universal support. It depends upon which style manual you are using which further requires the writer, as always, to be aware of his/her audience.

http://www.adamheine.com/2008/12/ship-names-and-definite-article.html (The comments are informative, also.)

http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:%22The%22_in_front_of_ship_names

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:CT_Archive/%22The%22_in_front_of_ship_names_-_another_vote

davidk on December 13, 2013 at 12:06 PM

Lourdes on December 13, 2013 at 12:04 PM

You al light :)

Schadenfreude on December 13, 2013 at 12:05 PM

By gosh, by gorry!

Lourdes on December 13, 2013 at 12:06 PM

Y

eah. Uh… The ‘Bedford’ didn’t get away.

trigon on December 13, 2013 at 11:28 AM

I know that…

major dad on December 13, 2013 at 12:07 PM

The Chinese must be torn between two tempting paths:

The first is to leave Barry-O & Co. alone to go on taking the United States downward into economic and fiscal ruin, knowing that when the Federal government finally has to bite the bullet and cut back spending, the first and biggest target of the budget cutters will be national defense. Why should they start a war early and have to try to sink our aircraft carriers, when we’re going to be forced to lay up and scrap them ourselves?

The second, however, is based on the realization that it may be a long, long time before they can expect to be faced with a president as inexperienced, foolish, naive and weak as this one, and that the window of opportunity and opportunism to act while he’s on watch is closing.

From what I’m seeing more and more of lately, it seems that the Chinese are beginning to choose the second path.

A really bad scenario for the next three years goes something like this:

1. Iran gets the “Islamic Bomb,” and uses it on Israel, or the Israelis decide not to wait around for that to happen and preemptively attack the mullah’s nuclear facilities to try to delay the inevitable. Either way, the mullahs in their response will not distinguish between the “Little Satan” and the “Great Satan” and we will find ourselves sucked into a major regional war in the Middle East.

2. When that happens, the consequences of our adoption of abandoning the “two-war” defense posture policy will become manifest. Other bad actors on the world stage, seeing the USA tied down with the Iranians, will now feel free to start putting checks into some long-standing check-box items:

A. The Russians will decide it’s time to teach the Georgians a lesson, once and for all.

B. The Chinese will let slip the leash for the North Koreans to have another go at re-unifying the peninsula.

C. And once A and B are in place, the Chinese will act to rein in “The Renegade Province” and teach everybody else in the region — the Japanese, the Vietnamese, the Philippines, etc. — who is the Big Dog.

We will be forced to either let the balls we can’t juggle drop, or try to do too much with an over-stretched military and risk defeat, or escalate. And given Barry-O’s temperament, that has to look like a pretty good bet from the perspective of our rivals, adversaries and enemies.

War is coming. Count on it.

Spurius Ligustinus on December 13, 2013 at 12:07 PM

A large majority of Asian-Americans that I know who are not religious would never vote for a conservative because they think conservatives are racist, even though they would agree with conservative principles (self-reliance, hard work, less government, importance of family, etc.).

Preach at them for being that stupid, while also being assumed to be smart. Plus, don’t preach to us about Asians. We know them well.

I am merely pointing out that the sort of stuff that some folks here are posting reinforces the Asian-American stereotype of conservatives.

Doodad Pro on December 13, 2013 at 12:04 PM

Meh, lighten up Flancis. The problem is as much yours as liblikeaslave of HA has a problem with his own racism. You can change your community or go join them. The problem is not ours, it’s yours and theirs.

This thread is hilarious. Sure, Egg. started it being about two boats. Now you made it about racism where there isn’t any.

You’re no different than lostmotherland, liblikeaslave and the other HA trolls.

Schadenfreude on December 13, 2013 at 12:08 PM

canopfor on December 13, 2013 at 11:48 AM

I read something a while back about the territory over which they are “fighting” has oil.

davidk on December 13, 2013 at 11:51 AM

davidk:China is probably harvesting dung beetles for a delicacy, on said
Islands!(sarc):)

canopfor on December 13, 2013 at 12:10 PM

In your photostream, you have pictures of a tabletop clay charcoal grill. I’ve seen Japanese versions – Yakitori/hibachi grill…

What do the Chinese call that thing?

oldroy on December 13, 2013 at 12:01 PM

It’s a ‘kaojia’ in Chinese.

DarkCurrent on December 13, 2013 at 12:10 PM

You don’t realize how racist you actually are…

A large majority of Asian-Americans that I know who are not religious would never vote for a conservative because they think conservatives are racist, even though they would agree with conservative principles (self-reliance, hard work, less government, importance of family, etc.).

Doodad Pro on December 13, 2013 at 12:04 PM

“A large majority of Asian-Americans” assume Conservatives are “white people” or whatever the “Asian-American” catchphrase is for them/us.

“Assuming Conservatives are racist” is, in fact, RACIST. That’s an indication of racially prejudicial assumptions, negative stereotyping of a great many others without regard for individuals.

Lourdes on December 13, 2013 at 12:10 PM

The captain of the chinese vessel has been identified as Wi Tu Slo.

Imrahil

First officer Wa Ti Fuc,

Helmsman: We Tu Clos

Navigator: Wa Ar We

E9RET on December 13, 2013 at 12:11 PM

I like reading stuff that has new (to me) words.

Irredentism (from Italian irredento, “unredeemed”) is any position of a state advocating annexation of territories administered by another state on the grounds of common ethnicity or prior historical possession, actual or alleged. It is often advocated by pan-nationalist movements and has been a repeated feature of identity politics, cultural and political geography. Because most borders have been moved and redrawn over time, a great many countries could theoretically present irredentist claims to their neighbors. Germany’s Anschluss of Austria and annexation of the German-speaking Sudetenland from Czechoslovakia in 1938, and a return of territory from Czechoslovakia to Hungary as a result of the First Vienna Award, are perhaps the best known historical examples of this idea in practice.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irredentism

davidk on December 13, 2013 at 12:11 PM

Doodad Pro on December 13, 2013 at 12:04 PM

“Asian-American”?? Which is it? Asian or American? I guess you’re Asian first since that is what you list first.

You make me ROR!!!

Talon on December 13, 2013 at 12:12 PM

Then I had to look up http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/26730/Anschluss

davidk on December 13, 2013 at 12:13 PM

Kerry lied to the committee about having negotiated for the release of the American-Iranian Christian pastor. 3 people from his contingent told that he lied, in other words.

When asked about why Kerry/obama lie about this, in the Iran nuke deal, the wife’s lawyer said “he is a convert from Islam and Kerry/obama didn’t want to rock the boat”. See, I used boat, so Egg won’t lecture me on getting off topic.

This is what PC brings.

All PC freaks, go to Hell. You destroy the land and then she won’t be there for those who truly once loved, and still do love a free America. That includes all legal immigrants, from Asia too.

Schadenfreude on December 13, 2013 at 12:13 PM

It’s a ‘kaojia’ in Chinese.

DarkCurrent on December 13, 2013 at 12:10 PM

Thank you.

oldroy on December 13, 2013 at 12:13 PM

ANYone who assumes “Asians” (quite a generality, that, but, anyway…) are available to vote Republican just doesn’t know many Asians, at least not well enough for them to be lucid as to their political wants, expectations.

Lourdes on December 13, 2013 at 11:57 AM

And yet my Chinese-born wife, now a US citizen, consistently votes Republican. Weird.

DarkCurrent on December 13, 2013 at 12:14 PM

I agree with Schadenfreude.

ANYone who assumes “Asians” (quite a generality, that, but, anyway…) are available to vote Republican just doesn’t know many Asians, at least not well enough for them to be lucid as to their political wants, expectations.

China is ALSO a problematic source of illegal immigration to the US. Many illegal aliens in US are from China, Korea, Southeast Asia but mostly from China.

AND though they are enterprising, they do all expect government provisions and they vote for more of them if and when they do vote or their children do.

People who come to the US from Socialist/Communist countries don’t stop voting for increasing Socialism/Communist policies and politicians after they’re here. To the contrary, they are quite Leftwing politically.

Lourdes on December 13, 2013 at 11:57 AM

Really? Kinda like how Cubans are all Communists? Asians that came over in the 70s are anti-Communist, especially the Taiwanese and Vietnamese and Japanese. We know what statism does first hand. A large percent of us are Evangelical Christian and upper-middle class. How are conservatives going to convince people if we kick people out of our tent? My relatives (I’m Chinese-American) are hard working and successful people who despise moochers and distrust the criminal classes, but they’re always going to vote Dem as long as there’s overt racism like these comments in the conservative movement. The Lanhee Chen generation is winnable, but not like this. They have voted for Obama b/c of perceived racism, a perception you should not feed.

Please note that the Dems/African Americans don’t treat Asians that well either. Affirmative action and crime hit Asians hard. If Asians where told about what happened during the Rodney King riots and about anti-Asian sentiment in black communities (read Whitlock’s comments about Jeremy Lin and Marion Berry’s comments about Asian businesses) attitudes would change quickly. Ethnic coalitions like the Dem party are inherently unstable. We need to split them, not us.

xuyee on December 13, 2013 at 12:14 PM

I agree with Schadenfreude.

Bulkanization and the contemporary support for Bulkanization of the US as some trendy-whoopdedoo is the problem for many but it’s really at a head with “immigrants” to the US and their later generations, who are NOT becoming “Americans” but simply have relocated villages, cousins and towns to the US geographically in many cases.

The racist presumptions by many of these seems impossible for them to even recognize, but they’re still living back-in-time from whence the US population, overall, departed about a century ago.

Doodad Pro on December 13, 2013 at 12:04 PM

Meh, lighten up Flancis. The problem is as much yours as liblikeaslave of HA has a problem with his own racism. You can change your community or go join them. The problem is not ours, it’s yours and theirs.

Schadenfreude on December 13, 2013 at 12:08 PM

Lourdes on December 13, 2013 at 12:14 PM

Obviously this story would trip my ultra-sophisticated HA monitoring system, but I don’t actually have enough information to form an opinion on this story yet.

DarkCurrent on December 13, 2013 at 12:03 PM

Nice to see Beijing can’t answer a 3 am call either :-)

Steve Eggleston on December 13, 2013 at 12:15 PM

Asian-American is as stupid as African-American.

You are US American or not. I don’t give a damn about your background, color, race, or anything else.

If you were born in the USA or are a legal immigrant, no matter what, you are legit and totally welcome.

Call yourself an American with pride. Hyphenators always tell a lot about themselves. obama is NOT an African-American. He is the first half-black president. Bill Clinton was the first black president.

Schadenfreude on December 13, 2013 at 12:15 PM

Quick. Send Joe Biden over!

aryeung on December 13, 2013 at 12:16 PM

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