Boeing machinists reject “best and final” labor deal for 777X

posted at 8:51 am on December 13, 2013 by Jazz Shaw

Almost exactly one month ago we looked at the hissy fit being thrown by the machinists union at Boeing and how they appeared to be forcing the biggest employer in their area to look to Right to Work states when they start building the new 777X. (This led to Seattle’s newest elected socialist calling for armed revolt.) Apparently somebody at the union office didn’t get the memo that Boeing was serious, because when their employer came back with an even more generous offer, they turned up their noses again.

Boeing Co. said the machinists union in Washington has rejected a “best and final” contract proposal that would ensure the aerospace giant would build its next-generation 777X airliner in the state.

The announcement came after the third day of meetings between Boeing and the International Assn. of Machinists and Aerospace Workers District 751. The talks were the first between the two sides since the union overwhelmingly voted to reject a eight-year contract extension last month…

Washington is still in the running to build the twin-aisle jet, but it’s unclear whether Boeing will move forward without a deal with the machinists union. It represents more than 31,000 Boeing workers.

Obviously, Boeing has been working in the background exploring other options while the negotiations proceeded. They put out a call for offers from other, more employment friendly states, and have thus far received proposals from 22 of them. They report that some of the states have included multiple locations in their offers. (Even California tried to get in on the action.)

And who wouldn’t? You’re talking about thousands of direct employment jobs to set up and operate a plant to construct these giant aircraft. And that doesn’t count the multiplier effect, where an even larger number of jobs will be created to support the operation. And all of this was over what appeared to be some relatively minor concessions on the part of the union. Boeing was asking for newly hired machinists in the union to have portions of their pension plan moved into a 401K style plan… not even the existing workers. But apparently even that was too much of a burden to bear, so they may wind up killing the whole deal. I wonder how their members will feel when the once thriving center of economic activity turns into a ghost town?


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It’s almost as if the union has some lawless government in its back pocket and knows that the company will be hampered in its efforts to move the jobs. But this is America, that could never happen . . .

SoRight on December 13, 2013 at 8:55 AM

Guaranteed Nikki Haley is on this. SC already has the plant in Charleston (the folks Pelosi calls scabs). There’s plenty o’ room at the CHS airport to expand that puppy.

guinneach on December 13, 2013 at 8:56 AM

Hoping my state of SC will snag the whole enchilada. Got a head start with Boeing’s plant in North Charleston.

http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20131212/PC05/131219806

Renee on December 13, 2013 at 8:56 AM

I’ll bet Boeing had a good laugh about the California offer, though.

Can you imagine flying in a plane built in a factory seized and operated under the auspices of the Seattle City Council? It would likely be the Tacoma Narrows Bridge of airplanes.,.

jon1979 on December 13, 2013 at 8:57 AM

Renee- we’ll make Chucktown the new Seattle.

Minus the patchouli oil

guinneach on December 13, 2013 at 8:58 AM

Not easy being the last bastion of hope for a middle class lifestyle. Retirement is a quaint concept.

countmein on December 13, 2013 at 9:00 AM

It’s almost as if the union has some lawless government in its back pocket and knows that the company will be hampered in its efforts to move the jobs. But this is America, that could never happen . . .

SoRight on December 13, 2013 at 8:55 AM

This.

On the other, it’s worth noting that Obama did not ride to the rescue when the Bakers’ Union collapsed Hostess right around this time last year, so it reminds to be seen if he’ll bother.

Doomberg on December 13, 2013 at 9:00 AM

countmein on December 13, 2013 at 9:00 AM

Do tell oh wise one.

You wouldn’t happen to be related to countoten would you?

cozmo on December 13, 2013 at 9:02 AM

Boeing should have gotten out of Washington before Premier Obama came along.

forest on December 13, 2013 at 9:03 AM

I wonder how their members will feel when the once thriving center of economic activity turns into a ghost town?

Easy. They will feel that those b@st@ards at Boeing have screwed them over. Paraphrasing Ali McGraw (“Love means never having to say you’re sorry”), being in a labor union means never having to admit your choices have consequences. I guess building aircraft really is a labor of love to the machinists — never admitting they’re wrong, and always having someone else to blame.

Zumkopf on December 13, 2013 at 9:04 AM

Rogue IRS agents in the Cincinnati office just upgraded software to flag “Boeing” & “Right To Work”

drivingtheview on December 13, 2013 at 9:04 AM

Yes, armed takeover of the plants would do wonders for the union.

I’m thinking the business acumen of the sort of people who would commit such an action probably isn’t very high but hey, Revolucion.

Airbus has to be working behind the scenes to try and make it happen.

Bishop on December 13, 2013 at 9:06 AM

The new Detroit.

Fenris on December 13, 2013 at 9:08 AM

The new Detroit.

Fenris on December 13, 2013 at 9:08 AM

But a high-end Detroit with People’s Coffee Houses, and the wild dog packs would be properly spayed and neutered.

Bishop on December 13, 2013 at 9:09 AM

The new Detroit.

Fenris on December 13, 2013 at 9:08 AM

Not a bad observation. Got the Powerball numbers while you’re at it?

Renee on December 13, 2013 at 9:10 AM

I guess they can join the Hostess bakers in celebrating their victory.

22044 on December 13, 2013 at 9:12 AM

San Antonio loves jets. And jobs. And low taxes.

mesquito on December 13, 2013 at 9:13 AM

Boeing was asking for newly hired machinists in the union to have portions of their pension plan moved into a 401K style plan… not even the existing workers. But apparently even that was too much of a burden to bear, so they may wind up killing the whole deal.

My guess is that the union needs that pension money to finance what they are paying out. It is tougher for them to get free government money in terms of a bailout the way the UAW managed to loot the public coffers.

I hope Boeing tells the union that they’ll be moving on. Of course, the NLRB kangaroo court will probably run interference for the union.

Happy Nomad on December 13, 2013 at 9:13 AM

Boeing can, and does, build aircraft without the union, but unions cannot build aircraft without Boeing.

SouthernRoots on December 13, 2013 at 9:16 AM

But a high-end Detroit with People’s Coffee Houses, and the wild dog packs would be properly spayed and neutered.

Bishop on December 13, 2013 at 9:09 AM

BISHOP!!!!

…now I need a new keyboard, but it was worth it!

dominigan on December 13, 2013 at 9:18 AM

Just look for the union label.

Then run!

faol on December 13, 2013 at 9:18 AM

Someone should send the union members pictures of Detroit; just scratch out the word “Detroit” and put in SEATTLE.

GarandFan on December 13, 2013 at 9:21 AM

Dialog at the last negotiation:
Goose-that-lays-the-golden-eggs, meet the Union.
Union, meet Goos….
Hey! What are you doing? You can’t cook her!

GWB on December 13, 2013 at 9:28 AM

Didn’t Seattle have a basketball team? Whatever happened to the Supersonics? A hint to the Seattle union losers, they moved to Oklahoma.

Flange on December 13, 2013 at 9:31 AM

things that make you go “hmmmm”…..

http://news.yahoo.com/seattle-police-2-500-stolen-120249847.html

Renee on December 13, 2013 at 9:31 AM

Soon Seattle will look around and wonder what happened…and who is going to pay for everything?

albill on December 13, 2013 at 9:32 AM

From Boeing to Going – golf clap for unions.

hillsoftx on December 13, 2013 at 9:33 AM

Boeing: Come to Delaware – we have I95!

Akzed on December 13, 2013 at 9:33 AM

It sucks to be one of the union members who voted in the minority to accept the deal. They are going to lose their livelihood because their coworkers are a-holes.

Mark1971 on December 13, 2013 at 9:35 AM

Why should union leaders care if the rank and file are unemployed? They still have to pay dues…some of which goes to the union leaders.

Hard Right on December 13, 2013 at 9:35 AM

I’m sure Obama’s NLRB is on high-alert should Boeing decide to go out of state for this project.

Bitter Clinger on December 13, 2013 at 9:36 AM

Soon Seattle will look around and wonder what happened…and who is going to pay for everything?

albill on December 13, 2013 at 9:32 AM

What part of “New Detroit” is unclear? There are not enough rich people to fund all of Seattle’s social programs. This will put the onus on the middle class- who will flee if they can. That will leave the commie on the city council (who wants the union to simply occupy the Boeing plant) and her colleagues with a real dillema. A bunch of poor people, greedy public sector unions, and not enough revenue. And you can’t fuel a vibrant economy on arrogance- no matter how eco-friendly that arrogance is.

Happy Nomad on December 13, 2013 at 9:38 AM

@cosmo…no. daily lurker. But im one of those machinist types in the NW.

countmein on December 13, 2013 at 9:39 AM

Good for you Boeing.

Dongemaharu on December 13, 2013 at 9:40 AM

Boeing: Come to Delaware – we have I95!

Akzed on December 13, 2013 at 9:33 AM

You also have Joe Biden.

Happy Nomad on December 13, 2013 at 9:40 AM

It sucks to be one of the union members who voted in the minority to accept the deal. They are going to lose their livelihood because their coworkers are a-holes.

Mark1971 on December 13, 2013 at 9:35 AM

Yep, about the same thing happened to give us ObamaCare.
Now the establishment Republicans are saying to “fix” ObamaCare….

It needs to executed like a North Korean Uncle.

redguy on December 13, 2013 at 9:40 AM

Come here to the last bastion of red in the entire state of Minnesota, we even have an unofficial ban on unions which includes running proponents out of town minus some of their strategic body parts.

Bishop on December 13, 2013 at 9:41 AM

reckon those union dweebs will move to Charleston and continue the raging war over views or trees? Seattle is a beautiful town but they have some crazy notions.

DanMan on December 13, 2013 at 9:43 AM

I remember going to Detroit as a kid in the sixties…..

I remember San Francisco in the eighties…..

The nineties were a golden era for Seattle…..

What city won’t the liberals screw up?

redguy on December 13, 2013 at 9:43 AM

Don’t worry union guys! Seattle will still have Microsoft… Machinists are great at coding and systems architecture – right?!

Free Indeed on December 13, 2013 at 9:44 AM

Kiss your jobs goodbye, union parasites.

AZCoyote on December 13, 2013 at 9:46 AM

San Antonio loves jets. And jobs. And low taxes.

and they already have huge runways and plenty of machinists too!

DanMan on December 13, 2013 at 9:46 AM

You also have Joe Biden. Happy Nomad on December 13, 2013 at 9:40 AM

We donated him to D.C.

Akzed on December 13, 2013 at 9:46 AM

We donated him to D.C.

Akzed on December 13, 2013 at 9:46 AM

Just wait until he becomes President. You all will be fighting with Scranton PA to claim the man. ;0

Happy Nomad on December 13, 2013 at 9:49 AM

Jazz, got lots of comments since I live there.

It is true Everett has the only skilled labor force for the planes and they all belong to the union. However, if Boeing leaves, will there be a demand for that union? I think not and those skilled machinists will move to the next location and take lesser benefits and wages for their work.

As usual, this is a game of chicken that gets played out here every 3 years. The union now has the NLRB which in the past has ruled against Boeing moving, so that is an extra card that girds the loins of this union.

Also, the pride of the union is displayed in the statues in front of their building. No, it isn’t workers actually doing the work of building the plane, but is about 5-7 statues of ‘striking’ workers. That’s right, the pride of the union is not workers and their benefits, but just the act of striking.

Nuff said.

bumsteaddithers on December 13, 2013 at 9:49 AM

It would likely be the Tacoma Narrows Bridge of airplanes.,.

jon1979 on December 13, 2013 at 8:57 AM

What does this mean? Are you suggesting that the fare to use the plane will forever escalate and that the bonds are set at the highest return possible while backed by the government?

I (and thousands of others) have to pay each time we use the new bridge and I can vouch that its construction seems first class (unlike Galloping Gertie).

I actually hope Boeing moves the plants. Boeing union members are some of the most tone deaf fools on the planet. They would turn down an offer twice what the current one is if it involved changing their healthcare plans.

The cost of living around here just might get back to a reasonable level if Boeing leaves because most of the union guys would relocate to wherever it goes (and save their union dues).

platypus on December 13, 2013 at 9:50 AM

I remember going to Detroit as a kid in the sixties…..

I remember San Francisco in the eighties…..

The nineties were a golden era for Seattle…..

What city won’t the liberals screw up?

redguy on December 13, 2013 at 9:43 AM

You forgot Charlotte in the 2000s.

My guess is that moving forward the liberals are going to go out after whole states. Starting with Arizona, Texas, and Colorado. They’ve already turned Maryland into a one-party state.

Happy Nomad on December 13, 2013 at 9:50 AM

I remember the president of the aluminum workers union in Chicago saying that his members were the highest paid aluminum workers in the world and he was going to keep it that way. Thanks to him and his union, the aluminum company moved away.

Typical union stupidity.

polarglen on December 13, 2013 at 9:58 AM

platypus on December 13, 2013 at 9:50 AM

The original Tacoma Narrows Bridge was the best example I could think of demonstrating faulty engineering within the boundaries of Washington State.

While there’s been a new bridge there for over half a century, the name still symbolizes the same sort of design failure you’d likely get if the Seattle City Council seized the Boeing plant and began building their own commercial airliners.

jon1979 on December 13, 2013 at 10:01 AM

Don’t worry union guys! Seattle will still have Microsoft… Machinists are great at coding and systems architecture – right?!

Free Indeed on December 13, 2013 at 9:44 AM

Well, Seattle has that new Commie on its council. So just like Chernobyl, where the night shift consisted primarily of old coal fired plant workers, they can moved unqualified people into positions they have no experience in.

NotCoach on December 13, 2013 at 10:03 AM

Hahahahaha. The state of ILL also wasted money Turing in their two cents. No right to work + caustic union scum environment + Demonrats control the state. If that’s what Boeing wanted they’d keep it in Seattle!

Jaibones on December 13, 2013 at 10:04 AM

What matters is what percentage of qualified big jet machinists are controlled by the union. Seems like they feel that they have enough to gum up production regardless of the location of the facility.

Either that or the EPA will only give Washington State a permit to build it.

percysunshine on December 13, 2013 at 10:04 AM

As a single dad with 3 kids..i went to the boss for a raise. He said”why pay you 8 when i can get 2 guys for $4 an hour?”.that was 30 years ago. Im not a big fan of unions but all the kids are fed and gone, all conservatives, 2 in college, and this year we just might buy one of them flat TVs everybody has been talkin about. Boeing has been good to me. I voted on the contract…and just like national elections. .mine wasnt the winning side.

countmein on December 13, 2013 at 10:05 AM

I wonder how their members will feel when the once thriving center of economic activity turns into a ghost town?

Ain’t gonna happen. The occupy folks are going to storm the building and take over the company.

el hombre on December 13, 2013 at 10:06 AM

Georgia

Bmore on December 13, 2013 at 10:09 AM

Seattle, the new Detroit. Courtesy of the progressive Democrat Party.

Viator on December 13, 2013 at 10:18 AM

jon1979 on December 13, 2013 at 10:01 AM

Maybe you hadn’t noticed but we have TWO Narrows bridges. Since 2007. And what you term the new bridge is one of the better examples of engineering redesign there is and it will likely live another fifty years.

But the new new bridge last fifty years? Not likely — it’s made of concrete.

platypus on December 13, 2013 at 10:22 AM

What does this mean?
(unlike Galloping Gertie).

platypus on December 13, 2013 at 9:50 AM

I was guessing he meant the one that had the harmonics problems and fell down.

GWB on December 13, 2013 at 10:29 AM

Y’all are welcome to come on down to Texas!

Deafdog on December 13, 2013 at 10:33 AM

I worked at a printed circuit board manufacturer in the Seattle area in the early 80′s – when there was the slightest hiccup at Boeing – the ripple effect hit all the ancillary companies in the area – and then some. Sometimes, pretty hard. The machinists are going to screw a lot of people other than themselves.

But now I’m in Arizona – so come on down to clear skies and a union-free environment! You’re already building the AH64 here – you know you love it… so do it.

Hill60 on December 13, 2013 at 10:34 AM

Boeing is also moving 800-1200 researchers out of Washington.

http://seattletimes.com/html/boeingaerospace/2022451885_boeingresearchxml.html

pedestrian on December 13, 2013 at 10:35 AM

What matters is what percentage of qualified big jet machinists are controlled by the union. Seems like they feel that they have enough to gum up production regardless of the location of the facility.

Either that or the EPA will only give Washington State a permit to build it.

percysunshine on December 13, 2013 at 10:04 AM

If that happens they should build a new factory in another country.

slickwillie2001 on December 13, 2013 at 10:38 AM

If that happens they should build a new factory in another country.

slickwillie2001 on December 13, 2013 at 10:38 AM

Which could happen.

Fenris on December 13, 2013 at 10:40 AM

And that doesn’t count the multiplier effect, where an even larger number of jobs will be created to support the operation.

The outrageous outrage from the Seattle Libs at the ‘evil capitalists’ running Boeing in 4, 3, 2, 1…

socalcon on December 13, 2013 at 10:43 AM

I’m sure Obama’s NLRB is on high-alert should Boeing decide to go out of state for this project.

Bitter Clinger on December 13, 2013 at 9:36 AM

Ditto.

They already have assurance that Barry won’t let them open up shop elsewhere within the U.S.

Boeing’s best option will be to take things “elsewhere”.

Carnac on December 13, 2013 at 10:52 AM

If that happens they should build a new factory in another country.

slickwillie2001 on December 13, 2013 at 10:38 AM

Well, California did offer a proposal.

Bishop on December 13, 2013 at 11:06 AM

platypus on December 13, 2013 at 10:22 AM

Ford could build the greatest, most fuel-efficient car in the world. But if they called it the ‘Edsel’, people would still think of the fiasco with the original Edsel.

Same deal here — the people using the current Tacoma Narrows Bridge(s) every day may think of the modern bridge, but anyone outside the area who knows of the name thinks of the original Leon Moisseiff design (and they’re still having fun in New York with the design for the Manhattan Bridge that Moisseiff was involved with 30 years before Tacoma Narrows — putting the 80,000 pound subway cars on tracks on the outside of the bridge instead of the center has kept city engineers busy for the past 35 years trying to rebuild the structure in place so some train doesn’t take a detour into the East River).

jon1979 on December 13, 2013 at 11:06 AM

Well, California did offer a proposal.

Bishop on December 13, 2013 at 11:06 AM

And if you’re having troubles with intransigent unions and elected officials who are in bed with them, California would be the first place country any corporation would head to. Boeing’s probably got their new plant site in Berkeley already picked out…

jon1979 on December 13, 2013 at 11:09 AM

Boeing should hang a sign outside their facility – “GTT”, as in the old days – “Gone to Texas”…

golfer1 on December 13, 2013 at 11:15 AM

If Boeing does build the air craft elsewhere, will the machinists go with them, abandoning the union?

TerryW on December 13, 2013 at 11:19 AM

The million dollar question: when Boeing decided to relocate its corporate headquarters a few years back, why did it select Chicago instead of Dallas, Nashville, Tampa or dozens of other cities?

bw222 on December 13, 2013 at 11:21 AM

bw222 on December 13, 2013 at 11:21 AM

No joke, Chicago offered the best kickback.

cozmo on December 13, 2013 at 11:25 AM

The million dollar question: when Boeing decided to relocate its corporate headquarters a few years back, why did it select Chicago instead of Dallas, Nashville, Tampa or dozens of other cities?

bw222 on December 13, 2013 at 11:21 AM

Ambiance

Solaratov on December 13, 2013 at 11:26 AM

The union drove General Electric from Schenectady, NY too. At one time GE employed over 30k people in the main plant, today there are less than 3000.

GE shipped much of its manufacturing south. Steam turbine is about all that remains.

My father worked for GE for 30+ years and was initially a “union” guy until he saw what they (the unions) were/are really all about.

Talon on December 13, 2013 at 11:27 AM

I’m waiting for the pro-union thugs appointed by Obama onto the NLRB – and confirmed courtesy of Dingy Harry’s use of the nuclear option – to continue this fight by attacking any effort by Boeing to move manufacturing to a ‘right to work’ state.

Just as in the wake of the IRS scandal, the IRS is still actively revoking / delaying tax exempt status on conservative groups, the NLRB will attack and harass Boeing without let-up until the company surrenders to the union thugs. Boeing’s likely response will be to postpone any development of the next-gen 777X.

Athos on December 13, 2013 at 11:29 AM

I wouldn’t count on this going to a right to work state, even after this fiasco. There is a strong possibility of this moving to St. Louis, Missouri where Boeing already has a strong presence and a better relationship with the unions. In fact, the unions there have already accepted the terms of the deal. Missouri is not a right to work state.

Spacen on December 13, 2013 at 11:29 AM

The latest rejected offer is on Union leadership. On the news last night, some of the workers were upset that 1) they didn’t get to vote on the offer and 2) they only heard about the rejected offer from the reporters, not from union leadership.

Somebody needs to grovel and do it quickly or Boeing will be gone from Washington. They’ve done it before, and they’ll do it again.

BTW, the Boeing plant where the plane would be built is in Everett, Washington, not Seattle.

Mallard T. Drake on December 13, 2013 at 11:33 AM

They already have assurance that Barry won’t let them open up shop elsewhere within the U.S.

Boeing’s best option will be to take things “elsewhere”.

Carnac on December 13, 2013 at 10:52 AM

Ting-Tao village, in the (newly named) Boeing province in China.

BobMbx on December 13, 2013 at 11:34 AM

It is also too bad that Boeing moved its headquarters to Chicago some years ago. Bad choice, they moved there because of the time difference to Washington DC, I mean the East Coast.

Dasher on December 13, 2013 at 11:35 AM

I think they’re sending a message with their news releases.

-Boeing releases statement about machinist negotiations.

-Boeing buys more land in SC.

jdpaz on December 13, 2013 at 11:53 AM

San Antonio loves jets. And jobs. And low taxes.

and they already have huge runways and plenty of machinists too!

DanMan on December 13, 2013 at 9:46 AM

Heh. My new Toyota Tacoma was made there … used to be made by GM/Toyota joint venture in … wait for it … Washington!

Hahahahaha.

Jaibones on December 13, 2013 at 11:53 AM

Related article about union greed and bureaucracy at Electric Boat:

The Field of Schemes

slickwillie2001 on December 13, 2013 at 11:59 AM

While the Seahawks are playoff bound, Seattle will still hear this sound: Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey hey, goodbye!

Wallythedog on December 13, 2013 at 12:16 PM

San Antonio loves jets. And jobs. And low taxes.

mesquito

There’s a lot of closed USAF bases all over the South that would fit the bill

E9RET on December 13, 2013 at 12:16 PM

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2013-12-13-Boeing-Plans-South-Carolina-Expansion-Activities

NORTH CHARLESTON, S.C., Dec. 13, 2013 /PRNewswire/ — Boeing (NYSE: BA) announced today that it will begin construction in the second half of 2014 on a new paint facility on its main campus in North Charleston, S.C. The company expects to begin painting fully assembled 787 Dreamliners in South Carolina in mid-2016.

The company also announced today that it acquired access to a total of 468 acres (189 hectares) in North Charleston, S.C., to protect for potential future growth in South Carolina through a long-term lease with Palmetto Railways, a division of the S.C. Department of Commerce. In addition to the 267 acres (108 hectares) sold by the Charleston County Aviation Authority, another 201 acres (81 hectares) of land in North Charleston were purchased with state bond funds allocated to Boeing. Owned by Palmetto Railways, the land will be leased to Boeing under a long- term lease. The company has an option to purchase all of the 468 acres (189 hectares) at the end of the initial lease term at the end of 2027.

Sounds like Boeing has lots of backup opportunities.

If I were a machinist, I’d be asking the union reps if their long-term disability covers tar and feathering by rioting union members.

dominigan on December 13, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Seattle/Washington – Boeing= Detroit/Michigan

portlandon on December 13, 2013 at 12:30 PM

Related article about union greed and bureaucracy at Electric Boat:

The Field of Schemes

slickwillie2001 on December 13, 2013 at 11:59 AM

Interesting read! I especially loved the first comment on the article…

“Engineers, for instance, were only allowed to make free-hand sketches of their projects. ”

That sounds familiar. In my first job out of college I would design something to be manufactured in the USAF shops. But after I made a regular drawing of it, it had to be redrawn by a real govt draftsman, who would make a nice pretty drawing but delete information that he found inappropriate. Then it got sent through the bureaucracy to be manufactured. By the time it got to the shops the official drawing was in tatters. I would get a call asking that I come explain what this thing was. I would then take my original sketch to the shop and they would say, “Oh! We can make this! Sure!”

I think the reason the Feral Govt often gets along so well with unions is that they are so much alike, triumphs of process and privilege over practicality and performance.

dominigan on December 13, 2013 at 12:46 PM

Hoping my state of SC will snag the whole enchilada. Got a head start with Boeing’s plant in North Charleston.

http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20131212/PC05/131219806

Renee on December 13, 2013 at 8:56 AM

I like enchiladas…and turtles.

Sacramento on December 13, 2013 at 1:19 PM

St. Louis could really use the JOBS and the tax revenue. It would be a shot in the arm for middle Illinois as well, not that I give a crap about IL.

Murphy9 on December 13, 2013 at 1:25 PM

Seattle losing Boeing jobs is not a good situation. However, they are not the only industry around here. There is Microsoft and the tech industry, including Adobe; Amazon; and several military bases in the area, a large port, and tourism to name a few. Boeing is not the only game in town. Losing Boeing jobs will not turn Seattle and the Puget Sound region into Detroit.

Mallard T. Drake on December 13, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Almost all other heavy manufacturing has already left Washington.

pat on December 13, 2013 at 1:38 PM

So, do any of you know how SCOAMF’s NLRB is going to rule on the complaint the union is going to file? I’ll give you two guesses, but I’m sure you’ll only need one.

NOMOBO on December 13, 2013 at 2:09 PM

In todays global economy, wages will fluctuate toward the middle. Unfortunately for Americans, that will mean the end of McMansions, motorhomes and pensions. Boeing union workers are a legitimate parasite in a national setting, but an anachronism in a global setting. We will never break public unions but once the private unions are gone, labor costs can compete directly with China in a race to the bottom.

countmein on December 13, 2013 at 2:10 PM

I guess building aircraft really is a labor of love to the machinists — never admitting they’re wrong, and always having someone else to blame.

Zumkopf on December 13, 2013 at 9:04 AM

Hackneyed Erich Segal quotes nothwithstanding, if it was truly a labor of love, they would have accepted the contract.

cheeflo on December 13, 2013 at 2:37 PM

Between the psychopath Sawant and the filty greedy unions, Boeing’s brass should have been on the phone to Nikki Haley long time ago.BTW haven’t heard another peep from the psychopath Sawant,suppose somebody told her to STFU?

jeffinsjvca on December 13, 2013 at 3:02 PM

And who wouldn’t? You’re talking about thousands of direct employment jobs to set up and operate a plant to construct these giant aircraft. And that doesn’t count the multiplier effect, where an even larger number of jobs will be created to support the operation. And all of this was over what appeared to be some relatively minor concessions on the part of the union. Boeing was asking for newly hired machinists in the union to have portions of their pension plan moved into a 401K style plan… not even the existing workers. But apparently even that was too much of a burden to bear, so they may wind up killing the whole deal. I wonder how their members will feel when the once thriving center of economic activity turns into a ghost town?

It makes you wonder if they already have assurances from the government that any attempt by Boeing to build in a different state would be punished. Otherwise, walking away from this deal would be dangerous to the union.

There Goes the Neighborhood on December 13, 2013 at 3:23 PM

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