Paul Ryan to Rubio: Try reading the budget bill before you criticize it, okay?

posted at 12:11 pm on December 12, 2013 by Allahpundit

Should a guy who’s trying to jam a bill through in 36 hours really be scolding people for insufficient diligence?

Ryan reacted in an animated fashion when asked about Rubio saying the deal would make it harder for people to achieve the American Dream. Ryan looked off-camera briefly and then suggested that Rubio should “read the deal.”

“Read the deal and get back to me,” Ryan said. “People are going to do what they need to do. Look, in the (Republican Senate) minority, you don’t have the burden of governing.”

Ryan was then asked again about Rubio coming out in opposition shortly after it was announced.

“I thought it was a little strange. … It is what it is.”

What deep nuances would Rubio have gained from poring through the text that weren’t already clear from the details that leaked beforehand? (Actually, here’s one.) Normally I’d pat Ryan on the back for being a stickler for detail among his critics — but not when the whole point of the bill from the GOP side, let’s face it, is simply to prevent another shutdown. The details of whether the $20 billion in chump change we’ll save will be front-loaded or back-loaded over the next 10 years are almost incidental. If Ryan wants to knock tea partiers, the better critique is simply to say, “I don’t like it either but it’s the best we can do when liberals have a chokehold on government. Let’s take back the Senate and do a real deal then.” Instead he’s acting like the criticism is unwarranted.

And it is warranted.

[T]his wasn’t a particularly ridiculous criticism for Rubio to make. He condemned the deal shortly after the details of it (but not the entire text) were released. Those details confirmed that it would make no sacrifices on taxes or long-term entitlement spending, the sort of choices that S&P asked Congress to make when it issued the 2011 debt downgrade. If your goal from 2011 on was to force a Democratic president to start cutting into entitlements, you knew immediately that this wasn’t the deal you wanted.

Right. It’s unrealistic of Rubio to expect a deal like that with Obama and Harry Reid calling the plays, but he didn’t need a Talmudic reading of Ryan’s bill to know that it wasn’t going to deliver. It’s another small sign of how fed up the GOP leadership is with being called sellouts by tea partiers that Ryan would get this defensive about a deal that he knows full well is anemic. I think.

And now, because I’m a hack and some jokes are too easy, video of Ryan confronting Rubio about this.


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So having the majority of the house means selling out the people you put you there to stop the liberal spending madness?

Nice to know.

Time for new GOP leadership – all of them need to go.

gophergirl on December 12, 2013 at 12:14 PM

So, why are the Progs pushing so hard to pass it..?

d1carter on December 12, 2013 at 12:15 PM

Paul, this bill contains funding for 0b00baCare.

Drop dead.

Akzed on December 12, 2013 at 12:16 PM

So, Ryan sold his soul just to run for VP with severely conservative Mitt Romney…?

d1carter on December 12, 2013 at 12:17 PM

Who is calling the shots for the GOP? They need a coach who can knock some heads together. Of course you need authority to do that. Seems as though the house leadership has slipped backed to Bob Michel days. Just take what you can get. It is easier that way

rik on December 12, 2013 at 12:17 PM

ok now that is funny Allah

Kudos :)

cmsinaz on December 12, 2013 at 12:17 PM

Rino War!

HB3 on December 12, 2013 at 12:18 PM

I’m I reading too much into this? Keep the news headlines off the budget and on Obamacare. Is that the strategy?

Oil Can on December 12, 2013 at 12:18 PM

So Ryan’s rebuttal is not “Here’s why Rubio is wrong” but “Rubio didn’t read the bill?”

Really?

I think that alone tells you all you need to know about this deal.

JohnTant on December 12, 2013 at 12:18 PM

Boehner is getting verklempt…LOL.

d1carter on December 12, 2013 at 12:18 PM

Never get behind a RINO. They’re retromingent.

Akzed on December 12, 2013 at 12:18 PM

Karl Rove is calling the shots…

d1carter on December 12, 2013 at 12:20 PM

LIVE NOW:

Happening Now: Senate Democrats hold briefing on new federal budget proposal

http://live.reuters.com/Event/Politics

canopfor on December 12, 2013 at 12:20 PM

Ryan said. “… Look, in the (Republican Senate) minority, you don’t have the burden of governing.”

You don’t have the burden of governing either, Paul. The only power you have is to threaten a gov’t shutdown and you lost that to Obama when you didn’t stick together.

The dem’s are only allowing you to call this a compromise so you can fool your voters in to thinking you’re relevant.

This is their spending bill you should make them live with it.

kcewa on December 12, 2013 at 12:21 PM

I’m I reading too much into this? Keep the news headlines off the budget and on Obamacare. Is that the strategy?

Oil Can on December 12, 2013 at 12:18 PM

BINGO

dont taze me bro on December 12, 2013 at 12:22 PM

Rove is the Zookeeper in AP’s video…like pro wrestling.

d1carter on December 12, 2013 at 12:22 PM

Pelosium States: Enjoy the Suction(sarc)!
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House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif.,

tells Democratic House members at a meeting to

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regarding budget deal – @politico
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California, US
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House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., calls it an ‘immorality’ that unemployment insurance extension is not in the budget deal – @jaketapper
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canopfor on December 12, 2013 at 12:23 PM

Reuters Politics ‏@ReutersPolitics 5m

We can move quickly on Ryan-Murray government budget deal and save taxpayers money: Senator Durbin http://reut.rs/PoliticsLive

canopfor on December 12, 2013 at 12:23 PM

You can see on their faces that they know all they are doing is “hanging paper”.

The government has worked for decades to insert itself into the economy and control it, making the entire country dependent on federal spending. Turns out all that government support is based on IOUs, and wind is blowing. The house of cards is failing.

BobMbx on December 12, 2013 at 12:24 PM

Reuters Politics ‏@ReutersPolitics 4m

Schumer: I’m hopeful Ryan-Murray budget deal sets tone for political parties to get things done http://reut.rs/PoliticsLive

canopfor on December 12, 2013 at 12:25 PM

I’m I reading too much into this? Keep the news headlines off the budget and on Obamacare. Is that the strategy?

Oil Can on December 12, 2013 at 12:18 PM

BINGO

dont taze me bro on December 12, 2013 at 12:22 PM

The strategy con is that the dem’s pretend to compromise and the republican leadership gets to pose as being relevant on the local TV back home. Along with some pork of course.

kcewa on December 12, 2013 at 12:26 PM

We need a third party.

KMC1 on December 12, 2013 at 12:27 PM

Make this process as long as possible.

22044 on December 12, 2013 at 12:27 PM

Forgive me in advance for reposting here some comments I initially made to the headline thread…

ITguy on December 12, 2013 at 12:28 PM

Temporary spat. Illegal’s will end the lovers quarrel.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/12/05/Immigration-expert-Paul-Ryan-most-open-borders-person-in-Congress

bazil9 on December 12, 2013 at 12:29 PM

And now, because I’m a hack and some jokes are too easy, video of Ryan confronting Rubio about this.
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Lol,…how about Cruz and Mc Cain Queeg at the elevator!!


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canopfor on December 12, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Is there any “dam” money is this deal..?

d1carter on December 12, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Ryan has turned out to be a major POS on budget, just like Rubio on amnesty.

The GOP needs an enema.

RWRFAN on December 12, 2013 at 12:29 PM

The last budget passed by a Republican House, Republican Senate, and Republican President was passed in 2006 for Fiscal Year 2007.

FY 2007 Outlays were $2,728,686 Million (a.k.a. $2,729 Billion or $2.73 Trillion)
Data Source: http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2014/assets/hist01z1.xls

FY 2013 Revenue: $2.77 Trillion
Data Source: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-30/budget-deficit-in-u-s-narrows-to-5-year-low-on-record-revenue.html

So let’s compare:
FY 2007 Outlays: $2.73 Trillion
FY 2013 Revenue: $2.77 Trillion

If the 2013 Democrat-majority outlays had been limited to the last Republican-majority outlays, we would have had a $40 Billion SURPLUS in FY 2013!

We don’t have a revenue problem, we have a SPENDING problem.

Paul Ryan should START with the FY 2007 budget spending amounts and negotiate from there.

Paul Ryan should remind the public that the Pelosi and the rest of the Democrats in 2006 put in writing their promises of “fiscal discipline” and “‘Pay As You Go’ budgeting – no more deficit spending“.

The current budget could spend $40 Billion more than FY 2007 and still have a balanced budget!

There is enough evidence to show that Democrats in 2006 ran and won on promises to end deficit spending.

It is only a lack of Republican backbone that has let Democrat majorities over the last six years get away with adding new debt at a rate more than FOUR TIMES that of their Repulbican majority predecessors.

Average new debt per year:
FY 96-07 Republican majority: $336 Billion /year
FY 08-13 Democrat majority: $1,345 Billion /year ($1.35 TRILLION /year!)

ITguy on December 12, 2013 at 12:30 PM

Nancy Pelosi, 2006:

Over the past decade, the Republican controlled Congress took our nation in the wrong direction. Too many Americans are paying a heavy price for those wrong choices: record costs for energy, health care and education; jobs shipped overseas; and budgets that heap record debt on our children. For millions, the middle-class dream has been replaced by a middle-class squeeze…

Democrats are proposing a New Direction for America…

With integrity, civility and fiscal discipline, our New Direction for America will use commonsense principles to address the aspirations and fulfill the hopes and dreams of all Americans. That is our promise to the American people….

Our federal budget should be a statement of our national values. One of those values is responsibility. Democrats are committed to ending years of irresponsible budget policies that have produced historic deficits. Instead of piling trillions of dollars of debt onto our children and grandchildren, we will restore “Pay As You Go” budget discipline.

Budget discipline has been abandoned by the Bush Administration and its Republican congressional majorities. Congress under Republican control has turned a projected $5.6 trillion 10-year surplus at the end of the Clinton years into a nearly $3 trillion deficit– including the four worst deficits in the history of America. The nation’s debt ceiling has been raised four times in just five years to more than $8.9 trillion. Nearly half of our nation’s record debt is owned by foreign countries including China and Japan. Without a return to fiscal discipline, the foreign countries that make our computers, our clothing and our toys will soon be making our foreign policy. Deficit spending is not just a fiscal problem – it’s a national security issue as well.

Our New Direction is committed to “Pay As You Go” budgeting – no more deficit spending.

Nancy Pelosi, 2007:

After years of historic deficits, this 110th Congress will commit itself to a higher standard: pay-as-you-go, no new deficit spending. Our new America will provide unlimited opportunity for future generations, not burden them with mountains of debt.

- New Speaker Nancy Pelosi, 01/04/2007

The FY 2007 budget that Speaker Pelosi inherited, which had been passed in 2006 by a Republican House, Republican Senate, and President Bush, featured:

Receipts: $2.568 Trillion
Outlays: $2.729 Trillion
Deficit: Less than $161 Billion

Data Source: FY 2007 budget numbers shown on the White House’s own Office of Management and Budget web site

Under Speaker Pelosi, outlays and deficits skyrocketed. Now, after six straight fiscal years of Democrats having majority control of budgeting and spending (holding 2+ out of 3 of the House, Senate, and Presidency since Jan 3, 2007), Democrats have created the SIX LARGEST DEFICITS in the history of this country!

I say that we would be just fine to return to FY 2007 spending levels… $2.729 Trillion

So, how much could we cut?

2013 Estimated Outlays $3.803 Trillion
- 2007 Outlays $2.729 Trillion
= $1.074 Trillion

That is how much needs to be cut from this budget… $1.074 Trillion ($1,074 Billion) THIS year, NOT $23 Billion over 10 years!

ITguy on December 12, 2013 at 12:31 PM

A slow day. I almost missed the significance of the video –

RINOs fighting!

TerryW on December 12, 2013 at 12:31 PM

“Read the deal and get back to me,” Ryan said.

Don’t think you’ll take those calls when they come.

Patty Murray is a far-left fruit cake. Nothing good can have her name attached to it.

mankai on December 12, 2013 at 12:32 PM

So, Ryan sold his soul just to run for VP with severely conservative Mitt Romney…?

d1carter on December 12, 2013 at 12:17 PM

No, Ryan was always an open borders establishment corporatist. Romney may actually have been the more conservative guy on the ticket.

Jon0815 on December 12, 2013 at 12:32 PM

Yes, the Rhino vs. Rhino video is appropriate. The strategy (all too common among any group of people) is to selectively oppose or support issues.

A reluctantly supports issues 1 and 2, opposes 3 vehemently
B reluctantly supports issues 2 and 3, opposes 1 vehemently
C reluctantly supports issues 3 and 1, opposes 2 vehemently

All 3 issues pass with 2/3 support. It’s magic.

Fenris on December 12, 2013 at 12:33 PM

Two lying POS slap fighting. Next.

Mr. Arrogant on December 12, 2013 at 12:33 PM

Ryan has turned out to be a major POS on budget, just like Rubio on amnesty.

The GOP needs an enema.

RWRFAN on December 12, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Ryan is a major POS on amnesty too.

Jon0815 on December 12, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Ryan, you suck.

Ward Cleaver on December 12, 2013 at 12:35 PM

Why do all of these RINO’s insist that because we do not have a majority in the Senate or control the White House that we have to roll over and become subservient to the Democrats? So in their minds, if this was a football game, we should be helping the other team to get to their end zone because we currently do not have control of the ball. And if you look at their record, you would find that they still went for the opposing teams end zone because members such as McCain and others believed that crossing the isle was noble and fair. When will these clowns wake up and fight for the people who sent them there and for America as a nation instead of thinking that they are smarter than everyone else?

SGinNC on December 12, 2013 at 12:36 PM

Don’t think you’ll take those calls when they come.

Patty Murray is a far-left fruit cake. Nothing good can have her name attached to it.

mankai on December 12, 2013 at 12:32 PM

Any funding in there for Osama bin Laden day care centers?

Ward Cleaver on December 12, 2013 at 12:36 PM

It is only a lack of Republican backbone that has let Democrat majorities over the last six years get away with adding new debt at a rate more than FOUR TIMES that of their Repulbican majority predecessors.

Average new debt per year:
FY 96-07 Republican majority: $336 Billion /year
FY 08-13 Democrat majority: $1,345 Billion /year ($1.35 TRILLION /year!)

ITguy on December 12, 2013 at 12:30 PM

The GOPers also benefited mightily by that outrageous spending. They’re just as greedy and corrupt as the Dems.

We need to stop viewing Dems and GOPers as good or bad guys. We need to understand that a more appropriate analogy would to view them as gangs trying expand their turf.

BobMbx on December 12, 2013 at 12:37 PM

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canopfor on December 12, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Governing = giving into democrats demands

It’s like the elites in the GOP have decided to flip the bird at their base and lose the HOR.

jukin3 on December 12, 2013 at 12:39 PM

Primary Ryan in 2014. He’s been in Congress too long.

22044 on December 12, 2013 at 12:41 PM

I’m waiting for Rove’s analysis.

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mankai on December 12, 2013 at 12:41 PM

The story of this budget deal: PAUL RYAN GOT HIS ASS KICKED BY A GIRL.

originalpechanga on December 12, 2013 at 12:42 PM

Here’s the worst part of this, and you can smell it a mile away, the Democrats know the Republicans don’t want a shut-down so, when it comes to closing the deal, watch them throw a bunch of wrenches in to see how far the Republicans will give. I’m betting the Republicans give up on unemployment benefits for one and probably more, depending on how tough Reid wants to get.

Once again, the stupid party is at work, not so much for the deal but for publicizing the fact they’re agreeing to this to avoid a shut-down. The Democrats don’t care if there’s a shut-down because they know Pravda and Izvestia are going to blame Republicans, no matter who’s at fault. There is no way the Democrats can win fair elections or fair budget battles, but with Pravda and Izvestia willing to lie for them, there’s little political downside for being duplicitous.

bflat879 on December 12, 2013 at 12:43 PM

House to Debate Budget Agreement
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House Floor Debate: Live Now on C-SPAN
House GOP Leaders on Budget Deal (Wednesday 12/11)
House Democratic Leaders on Budget Deal (Wednesday 12/11)
Budget Leaders Brief Reporters on Deal (Tuesday 12/10)

Washington, DC
Thursday, December 12, 2013
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The House is expected to begin debate Thursday on a bipartisan budget deal reached earlier this week that would cut $23 billion from the deficit. The two-year deal, which was unveiled Tuesday evening, sets spending levels at just above $1 trillion dollars for FY2014 and FY2015. It also eliminates $63 billion in automatic sequestration cuts.

New spending increases would be offset by increasing the amount federal workers must contribute to their retirement plans. Transportation Security Administration fees would also be increased.

There has been mixed reaction to the budget deal inside and outside of Congress. House Republicans stand by the deal despite opposition from conservative groups like Club for Growth, Heritage Action and Americans for Prosperity. Meanwhile, Democrats remain non-committal until the issue of unemployment benefits is addressed.

If the House adopts the measure, it will then move to the Senate for consideration next week. Watch LIVE coverage of the House debate on C-SPAN and here on C-SPAN.org.

Updated: 18 min. ago
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canopfor on December 12, 2013 at 12:43 PM

Did anybody mention that the November 2013 monthly federal deficit, at $135 billion, was the fourth-largest November deficit in American history, behind only November 2012, November 2011 and November 2010?

Steve Eggleston on December 12, 2013 at 12:43 PM

It’s another small sign of how fed up the GOP leadership is with being called sellouts by tea partiers that Ryan would get this defensive about a deal that he knows full well is anemic. I think.

Indicitive of the feckless GOP leadership. If Boehner were a real leader he would have held a meeting with his harshest “ridiculous” critics and worked out a deal behind closed doors with your own party members. Instead Boehner colludes with Democrats and attacks Republicans who don’t agree with him.

It is true what the surrender weasels say when they stamp their paws and talk of the pragmatism of the situation. The real conservatives also have a point that the bill that Ryan is trying to pass off as fiscally responsible statecraft is anything but. 40 years to balance the budget? 40 years???? Yeah Paul we shouldn’t be critcal of your sellout to the woman who was lauding the Taliban in October 2001.

Happy Nomad on December 12, 2013 at 12:44 PM

Republicans are so stupid. Yeah, keep obamaCare out of the headlines by debating some crappy budget that can be undone in 2 years. Idiots.

Ronnie on December 12, 2013 at 12:45 PM

How much you want to bet Ryan hasn’t actually read the entire final deal either?

Fenris on December 12, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Rove is the Zookeeper in AP’s video…like pro wrestling.

d1carter on December 12, 2013 at 12:22 PM

We need Chief Jay Strongbow!!!!

oh, sorry, he’s dead….oh well, at least there’s
Lizzie Warren!!!

ToddPA on December 12, 2013 at 12:46 PM

The story of this budget deal: PAUL RYAN GOT HIS ASS KICKED BY A GIRL.

originalpechanga on December 12, 2013 at 12:42 PM

Patty Murray is no girl. She’s a Taliban-loving partisan whore.

Happy Nomad on December 12, 2013 at 12:47 PM

How much you want to bet Ryan hasn’t actually read the entire final deal either?

Fenris on December 12, 2013 at 12:45 PM

I’ll bet he didn’t read the entire CBO scoring.

Steve Eggleston on December 12, 2013 at 12:47 PM

If you followed the sequester antagonism during the Cuccinelli campaign, there was a problem in Virginia with republicans and the sequester, because defense is a Conservative and republican big government and establishment republican business. These three groups, are all concerned when there are cuts to the military and to the Pentagon.

This is driving the “no shut down” with serious republicans, and also driving the extra deep Sequester cuts that hit the Pentagon in January. Liberal republicans and some Tea Partiers who are not defense hawks and some Ron Paul followers who like pot and are anti war, almost like hippies, they were FINE with the sequester cuts to defense. But a lot of people knew, that Obama feels fine “PUNISHING” republicans and the military with cuts in that sector, he is ruthless and would not take up the bill the House was working on last time to prioritize cuts at Defense.

So, Rand Paul seems to have nothing to lose criticizing this bill, and I am not sure what Rubio is establishing…but some serious minded people want to preserve the military, and we know that the cuts made there will be purposely hurtful not sensible waste cutting. I think, just like Obama pretending at the Oct.1 beginning of the healthcare website, he won’t fix anything, he wants normal Americans to suffer, he could have PREVENTED the shut down by taking the offer to postpone the start up of the individual mandate, but he will hurt real people to prove his point and get his way. Normal people are not his constituents and he knows it, and he does not owe us anything in his mind.

Fleuries on December 12, 2013 at 12:51 PM

I’m I reading too much into this? Keep the news headlines off the budget and on Obamacare. Is that the strategy?

Oil Can on December 12, 2013 at 12:18 PM

Not completely, but that’s part of it. Mostly it avoids any more shutdowns, which clearly hurt Republicans and none of them want in an election year.

It’s a compromise and it may not be a very good one, but it probably beats the alternative of another shutdown.

rockmom on December 12, 2013 at 12:51 PM

O.K., where’s illinidiva??

Take a look at this Poll……funny, I see a name
right above Rubio’s name….

SSSSSHHHHHHH!!

http://www.argojournal.com/2013/12/poll-watch-mcclatchy-marist-2016_10.html

HAHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!

ToddPA on December 12, 2013 at 12:54 PM

Fleuries on December 12, 2013 at 12:51 PM

Very good post.

This really is exactly what the original Budget Control Act was supposed to produce – sequester cuts that were too blunt and painful for either Republicans or Democrats to tolerate, which would bring them both to the table to negotiate a real budget. It just took a year longer than anyone expected for that to occur.

rockmom on December 12, 2013 at 12:54 PM

Not completely, but that’s part of it. Mostly it avoids any more shutdowns, which clearly hurt Republicans and none of them want in an election year.

It’s a compromise and it may not be a very good one, but it probably beats the alternative of another shutdown.

rockmom on December 12, 2013 at 12:51 PM

What exactly did the GOP “compromise” on?

The GOP basically proposed to eliminate the threat of a shutdown and give the Senate free reign on passing tax increases in exchange for getting rid of the only policy in recent American history that cut any kind of spending, the sequester.

So again, what exactly did the GOP “compromise” on?

Spliff Menendez on December 12, 2013 at 12:59 PM

Rhino fight

ISWYDT.

nukemhill on December 12, 2013 at 1:00 PM

Results for #BudgetDeal

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23BudgetDeal&src=hash

canopfor on December 12, 2013 at 1:00 PM

Paul, we’ve read the summary you posted on the House web site here.

There’s no need to read more to realize it’s a dog turd. And you don’t need to eat a dog turd to know it taste’s like crap.

tommyboy on December 12, 2013 at 1:00 PM

The details of whether the $20 billion in chump change we’ll save will be front-loaded or back-loaded over the next 10 years are almost incidental.

 
I’ll award 85 billion hotair points to the first poster who can tell me how much money is being dumped into the economy by the feds each month.

rogerb on December 12, 2013 at 1:00 PM

This really is exactly what the original Budget Control Act was supposed to produce – sequester cuts that were too blunt and painful for either Republicans or Democrats to tolerate, which would bring them both to the table to negotiate a real budget. It just took a year longer than anyone expected for that to occur.

rockmom on December 12, 2013 at 12:54 PM

Except the sequester ended up being minor and unfelt by 99.9% of the country.

And the GOP still got nothing in return for ending something that was good for the country as a whole.

Spliff Menendez on December 12, 2013 at 1:00 PM

Funny thing;

I really don’t need to read the Legalese Minutia to know that Spending NOW, Cuts Later is a Cave In!

jaydee_007 on December 12, 2013 at 1:00 PM

So again, what exactly did the GOP “compromise” on?

Spliff Menendez on December 12, 2013 at 12:59 PM

The GOP compromised everything, including the future of the nation and their soul. The lefties are the ones who don’t engage in compromise.

Fenris on December 12, 2013 at 1:01 PM

I can hear the wheels spinning in Dirty Harry’s head.

scalleywag on December 12, 2013 at 1:02 PM

I’ll award 85 billion hotair points to the first poster who can tell me how much money is being dumped into the economy by the feds each month.

rogerb on December 12, 2013 at 1:00 PM

heh
Obama & the Fed redistributing wealth…to the rich.

22044 on December 12, 2013 at 1:02 PM

L.I.B.

LegendHasIt on December 12, 2013 at 1:02 PM

It’s a compromise and it may not be a very good one, but it probably beats the alternative of another shutdown.

rockmom on December 12, 2013 at 12:51 PM

I’m not defending the surrender weasels but I heard a logical reason why the GOP should not oppose this steaming pile of crap that Paul Ryan and John Boehner is trying to pass off as being true to conservative priciples (even though it clearly is not).

Going along with this Republican cave takes the threat of a government shutdown in January and, more importantly, just before the 2014 elections off the table. This bill takes ammunition away from the Dems at a time the public is had it with Congress flitting from one financial showdown to another. The goal, of course, is to win the US Senate. The leadership doesn’t care about what crap Ryan is pushing will do to the nation- just so long as they don’t get blamed for sequestration, shutdown, or showdown. In short, this could well be the Paul Ryan Incumbancy Protection Act of 2013.

Bottom line, this is not a bipartisan deal. Ryan just agreed to whatever the hell his Taliban-loving counterpart demanded. Extension of benefits for the 99-weekers is merely held in reserve for future GOP caves. The deal is fiscally irresponsible, does not cut the size of government, and has proven that the GOP needs new leadership or Conservatives need a new party (pick one).

Happy Nomad on December 12, 2013 at 1:04 PM

Ryan, you are in the majority in the HOuse. Do the job you were elected to do. Stop spending money we don’t have just to save your future employment.

Kissmygrits on December 12, 2013 at 1:05 PM

Whatever.

Traitor Ryan and his democrat comrades don’t want anyone to read the bill – which is why they’re rushing to get it passed. Ryan would like nothing more than for Republicans to “pass the bill to find out what’s in it”. Neither Ryan nor Rubio have any credibility – and neither can be trusted on any issue – this little lovers’ spat between them appears to be carefully scripted and choreographed.

Next up: AMNESTY!!!

Pork-Chop on December 12, 2013 at 1:05 PM

The ultimate proof of how ROTTEN and DESPICABLE Ryan’s latest CAVE-IN to the d-cRATs is: perpetually drunk dingbat pelosi SUPPORTS IT.

TeaPartyNation on December 12, 2013 at 1:09 PM

The cave-ins will continue until morale improves.

HumpBot Salvation on December 12, 2013 at 1:09 PM

I’ll award 85 billion hotair points to the first poster who can tell me how much money is being dumped into the economy by the feds each month.

rogerb on December 12, 2013 at 1:00 PM

GREAT POST.

ToddPA on December 12, 2013 at 1:10 PM

Did anybody mention that the November 2013 monthly federal deficit, at $135 billion, was the fourth-largest November deficit in American history, behind only November 2012, November 2011 and November 2010?

Steve Eggleston on December 12, 2013 at 12:43 PM

Steve Eggleston:Thought you might like to see this:)
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Speaking of selling out #BudgetDeal #NationalDebt pic.twitter.com/FEplF7n1Ar

https://twitter.com/JankeSteven/status/411195025507094528/photo/1/large

canopfor on December 12, 2013 at 1:12 PM

After 5+ years of this horrendus administration and the GOPe screwing us into a debtors nation;

And now, because I’m a hack and some jokes are too easy, video of Ryan confronting Rubio about this.

I can still come to HA and find something that puts a smile across my face.

Thanks AP, never change.

D-fusit on December 12, 2013 at 1:15 PM

UGH!!

Guy Benson ‏@guypbenson 43s

In fairness, it wouldn’t be Christmas in DC without a giant Republican clusterfark, now would it? #BudgetDeal

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23BudgetDeal&src=hash

canopfor on December 12, 2013 at 1:16 PM

canopfor on December 12, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Thanks. I’m familiar with those numbers.

Steve Eggleston on December 12, 2013 at 1:17 PM

This budget deal sucks, no question. Paul Ryan is being disingenuous about it (on Bennet this morning he stated that it contains no new revenues, just fees). The cuts are so backloaded and the “fees” are so frontloaded that this could never be sold as a way to balance anything. The dems are complaining because they couldn’t get full blown socialism and single payer medical on this turkey, even though they come out on the top with this bill.

That said, it needs to be passed to avoid giving the dems potentially deadly ammunition. The republicans need to be able to keep Obamascare front and center to keep the public backed pressure on full bore in order to increase our majority in the House and take the majority in the Senate.

This whole debate can be compared to the way Obutthead handled Iran. He had the boot to their throats with the sanctions and he let off the pressure and gave the mullahs some potent ammunition to fight back and win. Similarly, the republicans now have their boot on the throats of the dems with Obamascare. If we don’t pass this turkey of a budget deal then that will effectively release the boot and give the dems potent ammunition to fight back and win.

Now, I am as about as Conservative as they come. But we need to swallow hard and pass this POS budget. The payoff will come in 2014.

NOMOBO on December 12, 2013 at 1:21 PM

did paul ryan read the bill????

chasdal on December 12, 2013 at 1:22 PM

Paul Ryan’s blatantly thumbing his nose at fiscal conservatives is intolerable. He’s the GOP “wonk”, yet f*cks up this budget so badly the even RINOs in the Senate are vocal about how bad it is.

His Ego since becoming the VP candidate (Of which he couldn’t even deliver his own State of Wisconsin to the GOP ticket) is getting the better of him.

Screw you Eddie Munster/Paul Ryan.

portlandon on December 12, 2013 at 1:33 PM

“Read the deal and get back to me,” Ryan said. “People are going to do what they need to do. Look, in the (Republican Senate) minority, you don’t have the burden of governing.”

Does anyone believe that Ryan read his own budget? Once again, they’re kicking the can down the road to avoid political problems during an election year. Once again, Republicans caved to Democrats and the media. I’m beginning to have as much contempt for Republicans in Congress as I do for Democrats.

cajunpatriot on December 12, 2013 at 1:37 PM

Paul Ryan (and John Boehner) might want to read the Constitution.

They are obviously unaware that the House and Senate are separate houses of Congress.

IndieDogg on December 12, 2013 at 1:49 PM

Really, Ryan? You really want to go there?

Hey, Ryan – did YOU read it, champ? Did YOU know about all the nuances with regard to Obamacare funding, to making it easier to raise taxes?

You either did read it and knew that was there, or you didn’t and that makes you stupid and a f*cking hypocrite for calling out Rubio.

Which is it, a$$clown?

Midas on December 12, 2013 at 1:50 PM

“Read the deal and get back to me,” Ryan said. “People are going to do what they need to do. Look, in the (Republican Senate) minority, you don’t have the burden of governing.”

And if this is what passes for ‘governing’ from Ryan and the House, well… No, thank you.

Midas on December 12, 2013 at 1:52 PM

Nice piece, AP – and not just the outro. :)

Midas on December 12, 2013 at 1:54 PM

“Read the deal and get back to me,” Ryan said.

Oh, hey – maybe Ryan loaded the bill with some juicy pork for Rubio, and Rubio just doesn’t know it yet.

Midas on December 12, 2013 at 1:58 PM

I’m a RINO, They’re all RINOs, He’s RINO, She’s a RINO, wouldn’t you like to be a RINO too?

RINO, RINO, RINO, RINO, RINO, RINO, RINO, RINO, RINO, RINO, RINO, RINO, RINO, RINO, RINO, RINO, RINO, RINO, RINO, RINO, RINO, RINO, RINO, RINO, RINO, RINO, RINO, RINO, RINO, RINO, RINO, RINO, RINO, RINO, RINO, RINO, RINO, RINO, RINO, RINO, RINO, RINO, RINO, RINO, RINO, RINO, RINO, RINO, RINO, RINO

(Just trying to fit in at H/A).

MJBrutus on December 12, 2013 at 2:05 PM

canopfor on December 12, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Thanks. I’m familiar with those numbers.

Steve Eggleston on December 12, 2013 at 1:17 PM

Steve Eggleston:Veddy good:0

canopfor on December 12, 2013 at 2:07 PM

Dems still with all of the momentum, even in the face of the ObamaDontCare fiasco. Think about it. Amnesty on Christmas Eve. Bank it.

bofh on December 12, 2013 at 2:23 PM

This tool and Mitt… would be no different than the tools that occupy the whitehouse now…

I’d love to see a 3rd party….. but you need a 2nd party first

roflmmfao

donabernathy on December 12, 2013 at 2:25 PM

Amnesty on Christmas Eve. Bank it.

bofh on December 12, 2013 at 2:23 PM

Seeing as the House ends the session tomorrow and won’t be back until 2014, that is a bad bet. No my friend, this bad budget deal is Boehner’s Christmas gift to America. And by gift I mean extending one’s middle finger.

Happy Nomad on December 12, 2013 at 2:26 PM

Look, in the (Republican Senate) minority, you don’t have the burden of governing.

Apparently you don’t have that burden in the House either, Comrade Ryan.

ghostwalker1 on December 12, 2013 at 2:30 PM

Ryan/Boehner and a lot of Hotair staff fear the bad press of a shutdown more than the catastrophe this policy will inevitably cause. I cannot support this short term thinking.

Shut the govt down if necessary. Learn to eloquently defend conservative principles. If we lose at the ballot box, so be it. Why is it considered insane to do what is right? Can we not fight a multiple front war for ideas?

kpguru on December 12, 2013 at 2:55 PM

I’m starting a 3rd party. It will be the “I’m not afraid to shut the govt down in order to control spending” party. Rinos are unwelcome.

It’s ridiculous, but no more so than the hypocrisy and lousy governing attempted by the the numbskulls in DC.

kpguru on December 12, 2013 at 3:02 PM

Paul Ryan (and John Boehner) might want to read the Constitution.

They are obviously unaware that the House and Senate are separate houses of Congress. – Indy

The House passed Ryan’s Budget Bill the one that did not fund Obamacare, then somehow by Patty Murray introducing something the Senate passed some other budget bill, (and yucky) then they go to conference to hammer out the differences between two bills. This is not made up by Ryan, it is the way the House and Senate work two make one bill out of two. No, we don’t like it, but this is part of “regular order.”

This is the principal that was being warned on when people said it would not matter if the House in 2013 passed a single issue immigration bill, the Senate could go to conference with their big Obamacare style Immigration Bill, and the “compromise” would be horrible.

Fleuries on December 12, 2013 at 3:17 PM

When Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and Chris Matthews call this a good deal, one has to know it certainly is not…

Ace ODale on December 12, 2013 at 3:41 PM

The “conference” process is what it is. Understood. The point was, a budget cannot be passed without the approval of the both houses. To suggest that the House must blink because the Senate won’t is the Boehner/Ryan way. That requirement isn’t written into the Constitution, or rules of order.

2014 can’t come soon enough, to borrow a quote from an Alaskan Grizzly.

IndieDogg on December 12, 2013 at 3:57 PM

Schadenfreude

Bmore on December 12, 2013 at 4:12 PM

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