Open thread: House to vote on Boehner/Ryan budget deal soon; Update: 332-94; Update: Boehner votes yes

posted at 5:05 pm on December 12, 2013 by Allahpundit

Stupid me, I thought there was a tiny chance that the grassroots backlash to the bill early yesterday would make today’s vote a cliffhanger. Nope:

After conducting a series of closed-door briefings and polling members during a late-afternoon vote, GOP leadership aides confidently predicted that the deal struck between House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) and Senate Budget Committee Chairman Patty Murray (D-Wash.) would sail through the House when it comes to a vote Thursday.

The moment seemed to mark a potentially significant shift by House Republicans away from the uncompromising confrontation of recent years and toward a determined era of more functional governance. After multiple standoffs and threatened defaults and one actual shutdown, polls show that the Republican brand has been badly damaged among voters, and even some of the most conservative Republicans said they were ready for a breather.

“That’s the only reason” to vote for the budget deal — “to calm things down,” said Rep. Cynthia M. Lummis (R-Wyo.), who said she was undecided about the measure. “To reset the debate is a great way to describe it.”

That’s one of the mysteries of today’s vote: Is it a harbinger of a more sustained turn towards centrism or a low-stakes sui generis vote to get out of town before Christmas? The other mystery is how many Republicans will end up voting for it. Pelosi’s backing the bill on the theory that it’s time to — no joke — “embrace the suck,” which is as solid a motto for American government in the age of Hopenchange that you’ll ever hear. But the fact that House Democrats are on board doesn’t mean a majority of the GOP caucus will go along. Will they, or is this yet another violation of the Hastert Rule? The answer:

I’ll update with a link to the roll as soon as it’s up. While we wait, read Erick Erickson speculating that Boehner’s throwing roundhouses now at conservative PACs in order to prepare the ground for the new amnesty push to come next year. That is indeed coming, no doubt, but I don’t see how it benefits him or the centrists to take an “us vs. them” posture with righties before the primaries. Better to lie low for now, be conciliatory (“yeah, this deal’s bad, but things’ll be different in 2015″), and then sandbag border hawks with an amnesty deal after primary season is over. All he’s doing by ramming a bad budget deal down their throats now is giving them extra motivation to seek revenge. And there’d be no sweeter revenge than thwarting a sellout on amnesty.

Update: A big win for Boehner and Ryan. The vast majority of the caucus hung with them.

No roll yet, but it’s coming.

Update: As promised, here’s the roll.

Update: Good catch. Typically the Speaker doesn’t vote unless his/her vote is absolutely necessary.


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They’ll head over to the Dems, not the R’s.

INC on December 12, 2013 at 5:47 PM

I don’t think Boehner and Ryan care about that little detail.

Steve Eggleston on December 12, 2013 at 5:53 PM

But you are going to form your purist party that will attract tens of millions of people… Good luck…

mnjg on December 12, 2013 at 5:45 PM

How is it “pure” to have basically only 3 platforms:

Lower Taxes
Less Spending
Smaller, less intrusive Government

Tell me how that’s “pure”?

Meople on December 12, 2013 at 5:53 PM

I love how the GOP elite think they can win an election without voters.

AllahsNippleHair on December 12, 2013 at 5:50 PM

Their definition includes the Rats winning. In fact, as long as conservatives don’t win, the elite calls it a win.

Steve Eggleston on December 12, 2013 at 5:52 PM

Well, the establishment GOP elite is a close relation to rats, so it makes sense.

AllahsNippleHair on December 12, 2013 at 5:54 PM

Steve Eggleston on December 12, 2013 at 5:53 PM

Either that or they’re too foolish and in too much denial to admit it.

INC on December 12, 2013 at 5:54 PM

Their definition includes the Rats winning. In fact, as long as conservatives don’t win, the elite calls it a win.

Steve Eggleston on December 12, 2013 at 5:52 PM

BINGO!

Meople on December 12, 2013 at 5:54 PM

But you are going to form your purist party that will attract tens of millions of people… Good luck…

mnjg on December 12, 2013 at 5:45 PM

Nope, I’ll just write in my favorite dog’s name on the federal section of the ballot, vote only on the state level.

I’ll leave you and the rest of the valley dwellers to rationalize the putrid behavior of the people you elected to high office with the usual excuse of “At least when they shoved it up our collective aszes they did so with smiles on their faces! YAY!”

Bishop on December 12, 2013 at 5:54 PM

The moment seemed to mark a potentially significant shift by House Republicans away from the uncompromising confrontation of recent years and toward a determined era of more functional governance….

This is the episode where the GOP gets their pants pulled down and it looks like the scene from the Accused. All for government unity.

AllahsNippleHair on December 12, 2013 at 5:57 PM

Roll over Boehnoooven.

MontanaMmmm on December 12, 2013 at 5:40 PM

MontanaMmmm:)
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NowThis Politics

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! Speaker Boehner’s (R-#Ohio) outburst is even better when looped, repeatedly, on Vine. Enjoy…

U.S. Capitol – House Of Representatives • Now

https://vine.co/v/h2bnqLTpqxZ

canopfor on December 12, 2013 at 5:57 PM

Chuck Schumer, Paul Ryan, and John Boehner like this bill…

d1carter on December 12, 2013 at 5:57 PM

Tell me how that’s “pure”?

Meople on December 12, 2013 at 5:53 PM

Dont bother! This idiot thinks you are a crazed rightwing conservative purist if you defend the agreed upon results of bi-partisan negotiations from a few years ago. That makes you a maniac!

Valkyriepundit on December 12, 2013 at 5:58 PM

But you are going to form your purist party that will attract tens of millions of people… Good luck…

mnjg on December 12, 2013 at 5:45 PM

What are you trying to say? Could you list some of the traits or values that your imagined “purist party” hold? Just curious for clarity because your expression of that seems muddled at best.
Thanks.

Mimzey on December 12, 2013 at 5:58 PM

Yes, yes, disillusioned white voters. Stay home, abandon the GOP. This is awesome…

libfreeordie on December 12, 2013 at 5:58 PM

The GOP is more or less the Whig party at this point.

alecj on December 12, 2013 at 5:19 PM

The Whigs at least died with dignity compared to this.

For a while I’ve had “dreams” of another party replacing the old and tired GOP. But now I’m thinking that a replacement party, like the Republicans for the Whigs, would not take over unless there was an overwhelmingly irreconcilable issue that divided Republicans in half, AND divided the Dems. A new GOP replacement party would only form if it took nearly equal parts from the Dems and Repubs. That’s what the Republicans did in 1850s on the slavery issue. But at the moment I don’t see any major issue that would create a new replacement party for the GOP. Instead, a bitterly divided party would just lose across the board.

I’m looking for historical analogues to back my point, though I’m not a historian.

anotherJoe on December 12, 2013 at 5:37 PM

Unfortunately, the alternative is untenable. The GOPe is all but daring the conservative base to walk out, and no amount of appeasement or belittling that base is going to stop this. To put it bluntly, I’m with Steve Eggleston on this… the Socialists who dominate the GOPe (Bohenor, Ryan, McCant, Grahmanesty) want to merge into the Democrat Party. So let them.

Such a combined superparty does not speak for the majority of the country.

Myron Falwell on December 12, 2013 at 5:59 PM

Nope, I’ll just write in my favorite dog’s name on the federal section of the ballot, vote only on the state level.

I’ll leave you and the rest of the valley dwellers to rationalize the putrid behavior of the people you elected to high office with the usual excuse of “At least when they shoved it up our collective aszes they did so with smiles on their faces! YAY!”

Bishop on December 12, 2013 at 5:54 PM

Bishop: Curses Bishop,..for mentioning the Dog thingy:)
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Kim Jong Un’s uncle executed
45m
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Jang Song Thaek, uncle of North Korean leader, called a ‘traitor’ and ‘worse than a dog’ by state news agency – @AP
read more on washingtontimes.com

canopfor on December 12, 2013 at 6:00 PM

They’ll head over to the Dems, not the R’s.

INC on December 12, 2013 at 5:47 PM

I don’t think Boehner and Ryan care about that little detail.

Steve Eggleston on December 12, 2013 at 5:53 PM

Countdown to those two (and other Socialist GOPers) defecting to the Dems in 3, 2…

Myron Falwell on December 12, 2013 at 6:00 PM

Yes, yes, disillusioned white voters. Stay home, abandon the GOP. This is awesome…

libfreeordie on December 12, 2013 at 5:58 PM

Being a person of color myself, I cannot vote Democrat because they enslave our people.

So which party is left?

portlandon on December 12, 2013 at 6:01 PM

davidk on December 12, 2013 at 5:57 PM

No wonder they hate her!

No one can argue with the fact that Paul Ryan’s compromise budget bill raises taxes and increases spending. Show me one Republican who got elected on that platform.

INC on December 12, 2013 at 6:01 PM

To put it bluntly, I’m with Steve Eggleston on this… the Socialists who dominate the GOPe (Bohenor, Ryan, McCant, Grahmanesty) want to merge into the Democrat Party. So let them.

Such a combined superparty does not speak for the majority of the country.

Myron Falwell on December 12, 2013 at 5:59 PM

What makes you so sure about that, Myron? SCOAMF got a second term with a solid majority of the electorate. Are we conservatives really so short-sighted that we haven’t figured out why that is yet?

gryphon202 on December 12, 2013 at 6:02 PM

Yes, yes, disillusioned white voters. Stay home, abandon the GOP. This is awesome…

libfreeordie on December 12, 2013 at 5:58 PM

Yes. The entire GOP and their voters are white.
Boehner is ORANGE!
The GOP is not even as close to being as white as the writers of the Huffington Post, though, you racist SHART.

AllahsNippleHair on December 12, 2013 at 6:02 PM

TheTeaParty.net ‏@TheTeaParty_net 13m

$23 Billion in cuts in one year is nothing in an almost $4 trillion budget. $23 Billion over 10 years? Seriously? #KillTheBill #TeaParty

canopfor on December 12, 2013 at 6:02 PM

Yes, yes, disillusioned white voters. Stay home, abandon the GOP. This is awesome…
libfreeordie on December 12, 2013 at 5:58 PM

You are such a racist twit.

I’m not staying home.

Be afraid what comes next… You’ve not seen anything yet.

Skywise on December 12, 2013 at 6:04 PM

SQUISHY GOP win again…

cripe i’m just disgusted with the whole bloody thing…

cmsinaz on December 12, 2013 at 6:05 PM

Yes, yes, disillusioned white voters. Stay home, abandon the GOP. This is awesome…

libfreeordie on December 12, 2013 at 5:58 PM

Because we’re all white here. Say, would you be willing to share your methodology in figuring that out?

As for your glee I sincerely hope you receive everything that one party rule provides, and I mean EVERYTHING.

Bishop on December 12, 2013 at 6:05 PM

Yes, yes, disillusioned white voters. Stay home, abandon the GOP. This is awesome…

libfreeordie on December 12, 2013 at 5:58 PM

libfreeordie:

Your leader has a message just for you:

“embrace the suck”

canopfor on December 12, 2013 at 6:05 PM

SQUISHY GOP win again…

cripe i’m just disgusted with the whole bloody thing…

cmsinaz on December 12, 2013 at 6:05 PM

I wouldn’t recommend sitting on your thumbs in frustration. Now is an excellent time to be thinking about real alternatives. And no, I don’t mean a third party of politicians.

gryphon202 on December 12, 2013 at 6:06 PM

Read Yuval Levin at NRO before reacting.

Note the graph. There is no difference at all between spending in this deal and the sequester line after 2012-15. None.

And those hypocrites who now declare user fees to be “taxes” should remember it was Republicans, beginning with Bill Roth, Jack Kemp, and Ronald Reagan who pushed the idea of user fees to pay for specific types of services so that the taxpayer wasn’t nailed for them. That is exactly what the airline fees, pension contributions, and pension insurance premium increases are doing.

Next time, try doing a little research beyond reading some loudmouth idiot before you blow gaskets over nothing and look stupid, again.

Adjoran on December 12, 2013 at 6:07 PM

I’m looking for historical analogues to back my point, though I’m not a historian.
anotherJoe on December 12, 2013 at 5:37 PM

That would be amnesty. There are enough dems resolutely against having to compete against illegals. Just because the proamnesty crowd is loud doesn’t mean the silent majority is for it. They may poll ambivalently but only because they don’t want to be seen as bigots but when they step into the voting booth they’ll be looking to cast out whomever it was that betrayed them. Even latinos aren’t crazy for it.

AH_C on December 12, 2013 at 6:07 PM

What makes you so sure about that, Myron? SCOAMF got a second term with a solid majority of the electorate. Are we conservatives really so short-sighted that we haven’t figured out why that is yet?

gryphon202 on December 12, 2013 at 6:02 PM

I figured it out long ago. Because Romney was even more of a SCOAMF and he was forced on us by the GOPe as the “most electable.” Oh, and look up Project ORCA.

It’s obvious that the GOPe purposefully threw the election, no doubt aided by a vengeful-driven IRS and DOJ. And I am to believe the myth of the low information voter. No thanks.

Myron Falwell on December 12, 2013 at 6:07 PM

That should be “2014-15″ not 2012

Adjoran on December 12, 2013 at 6:07 PM

gryphon202 on December 12, 2013 at 6:06 PM

i hear ya…but when you have mccain and flake, its hard….

cmsinaz on December 12, 2013 at 6:07 PM

SQUISHY GOP win again…

cripe i’m just disgusted with the whole bloody thing…

cmsinaz on December 12, 2013 at 6:05 PM

cmsinzaz: I agree, and heres two sites of resources:0
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https://twitter.com/search?q=%23KillTheBill&src=hash

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23BudgetDeal&src=hash

canopfor on December 12, 2013 at 6:08 PM

Note the graph. There is no difference at all between spending in this deal and the sequester line after 2012-15. None.

Adjoran on December 12, 2013 at 6:07 PM

You’re not making your case. That’s one thing of several that’s pissing many of us off. But keep screwing that chicken.

gryphon202 on December 12, 2013 at 6:08 PM

I sent this email to Bill O’Reilly, but he didn’t read it on the air.

There isn’t an “I” in team, but there is an “I” in RINO, but there is “Tea” in Team.

Mirimichi on December 12, 2013 at 6:08 PM

canopfor on December 12, 2013 at 5:57 PM

Good to see you friend..I hope all is well..:)

Dire Straits on December 12, 2013 at 6:09 PM

Sit Down and Shut Up

The new GOP slogan. Get those donations rolling in before the big rush, suckers.

Bishop on December 12, 2013 at 5:07 PM

Just sent them back the prepaid envelope with fishing sinkers.

katy the mean old lady on December 12, 2013 at 6:10 PM

How is it “pure” to have basically only 3 platforms:

Seem like big-government repubs have learned to use insults to avoid having to debate ideas.

LilyBart on December 12, 2013 at 6:10 PM

canopfor on December 12, 2013 at 6:08 PM

thanks for the linkies…

cmsinaz on December 12, 2013 at 6:10 PM

i hear ya…but when you have mccain and flake, its hard….

cmsinaz on December 12, 2013 at 6:07 PM

No it’s not. When congress has failed you, you have to look beyond congress. There are ways to do this. I’ve even mentioned them here, but I get all kinds of chickenshit reasons why they won’t/can’t/shouldn’t ever happen. We need to look to ourselves, we the people, if we’re going to find salvation. The politicians won’t reform themselves just because we through a few new ones into the cesspool every 4-6 years.

gryphon202 on December 12, 2013 at 6:10 PM

Hey Dire!

hope all is well by you :)

cmsinaz on December 12, 2013 at 6:10 PM

libfreeordie on December 12, 2013 at 5:58 PM

Dadgum, you’re ig’nant.

How did you get your advanced degree, perfesser?

Mail Order?

kingsjester on December 12, 2013 at 6:11 PM

Next time, try doing a little research beyond reading some loudmouth idiot before you blow gaskets over nothing and look stupid, again.

Adjoran on December 12, 2013 at 6:07 PM

Agreed, one should be careful about reading in order that one doesn’t look stupid:

The Republicans’ dirty little secret in this process has always been that their own appropriators hate the sequester almost as much as the Democrats do.

-NRO Levin

Bishop on December 12, 2013 at 6:11 PM

The politicians won’t reform themselves just because we through a few new ones into the cesspool every 4-6 years.

gryphon202 on December 12, 2013 at 6:10 PM

tru dat

cmsinaz on December 12, 2013 at 6:11 PM

In one simple word…… NO!

ultracon on December 12, 2013 at 6:12 PM

Just sent them back the prepaid envelope with fishing sinkers.

katy the mean old lady on December 12, 2013 at 6:10 PM

A few pages of the Constitution wrapped around a cinder block.

Bishop on December 12, 2013 at 6:13 PM

cmsinaz on December 12, 2013 at 6:10 PM

Hello Friend..Good to see you..:)

Dire Straits on December 12, 2013 at 6:13 PM

The politicians won’t reform themselves just because we through a few new ones into the cesspool every 4-6 years.

gryphon202 on December 12, 2013 at 6:10 PM

tru dat

cmsinaz on December 12, 2013 at 6:11 PM

So now what? Think about how much you — you personally — are willing to risk. Who among us will pledge “our lives, our fortunes, our sacred honor” for America like our forefathers did? Oh no, we’re assured over and over again that the Republicans will save their moxy for the next big fight. How many times are we going to tolerate being lied to?

gryphon202 on December 12, 2013 at 6:14 PM

I hope everyone remembers who was in charge when this all comes crashing down around us…

Seven Percent Solution on December 12, 2013 at 6:14 PM

cmsinaz on December 12, 2013 at 6:10 PM

Hope you and yours are doing well..:)

Dire Straits on December 12, 2013 at 6:15 PM

I hope everyone remembers who was in charge when this all comes crashing down around us…

Seven Percent Solution on December 12, 2013 at 6:14 PM

Boehner has at least as much responsibility as anyone.

gryphon202 on December 12, 2013 at 6:15 PM

Pork-Chop on December 12, 2013 at 5:28 PM

60% Think U.S. Not Aggressive Enough in Deporting Illegal Aliens

Just imagine what the % is for the base of the Republican party.

Wigglesworth on December 12, 2013 at 6:15 PM

Note the graph. There is no difference at all between spending in this deal and the sequester line after 2012-15. None.

Adjoran on December 12, 2013 at 6:07 PM

Yes LOOK AT THE GRAPH!

What’s it doing… Is it going down? Leveling off?

NO.

Score you start defending democrat policies why don’t you ask McConnell what his objections are? He seems like your kinda guy…

Skywise on December 12, 2013 at 6:16 PM

Please do we do not f***ing need you… You are much less significant than an ant…

mnjg on December 12, 2013 at 5:45 PM

Yup. That’s why Romeny won… what’s that u say?

katy the mean old lady on December 12, 2013 at 6:17 PM

60% Think U.S. Not Aggressive Enough in Deporting Illegal Aliens

Just imagine what the % is for the base of the Republican party.

Wigglesworth on December 12, 2013 at 6:15 PM

Which base? The 1980-2012 base, or the one they’re trying to construct out of whole cloth?

Steve Eggleston on December 12, 2013 at 6:18 PM

Who is yapping about a “pure party”? How about having a fiscally responsible party, one responsive to the taxpayers who are paying the freight?

onlineanalyst on December 12, 2013 at 6:19 PM

Dont bother! This idiot thinks you are a crazed rightwing conservative purist if you defend the agreed upon results of bi-partisan negotiations from a few years ago. That makes you a maniac!

Valkyriepundit on December 12, 2013 at 5:58 PM

Yep, I know. He’s the kind of person that would be just fine with a RepubliCrat party, and everyone else is in re-education camps.

Why is it that these big-government progressives always get their panties in a wad when people start demanding lower taxes and smaller, less intrusive government?

Can we all just stop listening to radical leftist and republican progressives now? They’ve proven time and time again, not only can they NOT be trusted with our tax dollars, but can’t even be trusted to do the RIGHT thing any more. Time and time again they’ve proven they just can’t be trusted.

Stop listening to them and stop voting for them.

Meople on December 12, 2013 at 6:19 PM

A pause for this striking paragraph from Politico:

It would mark a breakthrough in a Congress that has been frozen by partisanship for the past few years. The bill doesn’t accomplish much — it sets spending levels for two years, and replaces across-the-board spending cuts — but it will help remove the threat of a government shutdown in January and again in October, just before the 2014 midterm elections.

Mission Accomplished.

You may now return to the petty bickering.

Rovin on December 12, 2013 at 6:19 PM

Who is yapping about a “pure party”? How about having a fiscally responsible party, one responsive to the taxpayers who are paying the freight?

onlineanalyst on December 12, 2013 at 6:19 PM

You won’t find it in DC.

gryphon202 on December 12, 2013 at 6:19 PM

Seem like big-government repubs have learned to use insults to avoid having to debate ideas.

LilyBart on December 12, 2013 at 6:10 PM

Yep, right out of the Dims (Alinsky) playbook.

Meople on December 12, 2013 at 6:20 PM

katy the mean old lady on December 12, 2013 at 6:10 PM

Funny you say that. For the last few years I’ve been making $0.76 donations to unwanted political solicitors in pennies. Adds up to almost half a pound. I tape them to a piece of paper so they don’t rattle out and they receive the full donation.

Most no longer bother me.

CTSherman on December 12, 2013 at 6:20 PM

gryphon202 on December 12, 2013 at 6:14 PM

good point…

fox news alert

budget bill passed

cmsinaz on December 12, 2013 at 6:21 PM

But you are going to form your purist party that will attract tens of millions of people… Good luck…

mnjg on December 12, 2013 at 5:45 PM

Purist is the new raaaaacist. Sad to see ‘our’ side stoop to this kind of crap.

ElectricPhase on December 12, 2013 at 6:21 PM

DONE:

Reuters Politics ‏@ReutersPolitics 2m

U.S. House of Representatives has passed Ryan-Murray two-year federal budget deal; Senate likely to vote next week http://reut.rs/PoliticsLive

canopfor on December 12, 2013 at 6:21 PM

Seem like big-government repubs have learned to use insults to avoid having to debate ideas.

LilyBart on December 12, 2013 at 6:10 PM

They acted the same way last year when any of us challenged them on Romney’s absence of conservatism.

Myron Falwell on December 12, 2013 at 6:21 PM

You may now return to the petty bickering.

Rovin on December 12, 2013 at 6:19 PM

Spoken like someone who has no earthly clue what we’re headed for.

Just like Adjoran, you’re not making much of a case. The Republican phobia of a government shutdown is precisely what’s pissing so many of us off.

gryphon202 on December 12, 2013 at 6:21 PM

Well it passed.
Obama, Reid, Pelosi are laughing because they suckered them again.

Mimzey on December 12, 2013 at 6:22 PM

Seem like big-government repubs have learned to use insults to avoid having to debate ideas.

LilyBart on December 12, 2013 at 6:10 PM

They acted the same way last year when any of us challenged them on Romney’s absence of conservatism.

Myron Falwell on December 12, 2013 at 6:21 PM

That’s not the only thing Republicans have learned from Dems. But you know what they say; denial ain’t just a river in Egypt.

gryphon202 on December 12, 2013 at 6:23 PM

gryphon202 on December 12, 2013 at 6:21 PM

Rovin is a good person…fights the good fight

cmsinaz on December 12, 2013 at 6:23 PM

Well it passed.
Obama, Reid, Pelosi are laughing because they suckered them again.

Mimzey on December 12, 2013 at 6:22 PM

Nobody got suckered. The GOP was complicit. The sooner we get used to that idea, the sooner we can start enacting real change.

gryphon202 on December 12, 2013 at 6:23 PM

Does Boehner have a primary challenger?

And what the heck are we supposed to do? The GOP leadership DESPISE us (conservatives). They really do. So what are our choices? Reward them for kicking us in the teeth? Or let them get booted out and hand Obama, Pelosi, and Reid unfettered power?

Jack_Burton on December 12, 2013 at 6:23 PM

Two illegal wars and tax cuts for the wealthy that were never paid for.

Murphy9 on December 12, 2013 at 6:24 PM

U.S. Representative Steny Hoyer (D-Maryland) is among a handful of Democrats who voted no on the Ryan-Murray proposal.
by Margarita Noriega (Reuters) 6:21 PM

http://live.reuters.com/Event/Politics

canopfor on December 12, 2013 at 6:24 PM

Does Boehner have a primary challenger?

And what the heck are we supposed to do? The GOP leadership DESPISE us (conservatives). They really do. So what are our choices? Reward them for kicking us in the teeth? Or let them get booted out and hand Obama, Pelosi, and Reid unfettered power?

Jack_Burton on December 12, 2013 at 6:23 PM

How about nullification, Jack? Take it to your state legislature and get your county sheriff on board. The system itself is broken. Replacing the parts will do nothing more than delay the inevitable, if that.

gryphon202 on December 12, 2013 at 6:25 PM

But you are going to form your purist party that will attract tens of millions of people… Good luck…

mnjg on December 12, 2013 at 5:45 PM

Purist is the new raaaaacist. Sad to see ‘our’ side stoop to this kind of crap.

ElectricPhase on December 12, 2013 at 6:21 PM

If anyone on “our side” acts like this, they are not on our side and must be thrown out.

It’s good to see so many closet Socialists like Ryan, Boehnor and the HotGas Moderate Brigade come out as Enemies of Conservatism. We know know who we are fighting against.

Myron Falwell on December 12, 2013 at 6:25 PM

US budget negotiations 2013
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This budget deal will easily get over 300 votes; both parties voting overwhelmingly for it – @jamiedupree
read more on twitter.com

canopfor on December 12, 2013 at 6:25 PM

Jack_Burton on December 12, 2013 at 6:23 PM
Yes, Eric Gurr

http://www.gurrforcongress.com/

bazil9 on December 12, 2013 at 6:26 PM

I take it the photo of Boehner fondling the cub scout goes back into Dingy Harry’s wall safe for a couple more months?

viking01 on December 12, 2013 at 6:26 PM

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There won’t even be 100 votes against this deal
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This budget deal will easily get over 300 votes; both parties voting overwhelmingly for it
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MT @ajconwashington: Rep Tom Graves R-GA, architect of “defund Obamacare” movement in House, votes YES on deal
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This vote isn’t even close – right now 219-51 with GOP 122-38

canopfor on December 12, 2013 at 6:27 PM

US budget negotiations 2013
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This budget deal will easily get over 300 votes; both parties voting overwhelmingly for it – @jamiedupree
read more on twitter.com

canopfor on December 12, 2013 at 6:25 PM

Of course they do. Because there is no difference between the Dims and Regressive Republicrats.

Meople on December 12, 2013 at 6:27 PM

Nobody got suckered. The GOP was complicit. The sooner we get used to that idea, the sooner we can start enacting real change.

gryphon202 on December 12, 2013 at 6:23 PM

You are probably correct.
They are still all suckers imo. They are grazing fat now, but when there is an economic crash they actually have more to lose and are not prepared for it.

Mimzey on December 12, 2013 at 6:27 PM

Does Boehner have a primary challenger?

And what the heck are we supposed to do? The GOP leadership DESPISE us (conservatives). They really do. So what are our choices? Reward them for kicking us in the teeth? Or let them get booted out and hand Obama, Pelosi, and Reid unfettered power?

Jack_Burton on December 12, 2013 at 6:23 PM

In the short term, there is but a distinction without a difference. The question is, when the whole house of cards collapses, will there be a replacement party ready like 1860, or will the Rats limp along in power another 16 years like 1824?

Steve Eggleston on December 12, 2013 at 6:27 PM

Many Republicans voted YES on the rule then voted NO on the bill. It’s kind of liking voting YES to end debate in the Senate then voting NO on the bill. Not exactly the same, but it is similar in the sense you can help a bill advance while being on record voting against it.

Wigglesworth on December 12, 2013 at 6:28 PM

Mr Ryan – Shame on You.

Boehner – You such a stupid weepy nuisance.

We will remember.

Thank you.

antisocial on December 12, 2013 at 6:28 PM

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This budget deal will easily get over 300 votes; both parties voting overwhelmingly for it – @jamiedupree
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canopfor on December 12, 2013 at 6:25 PM

Way to show there’s but distinctions without differences in DC, GOP.

Steve Eggleston on December 12, 2013 at 6:28 PM

Well that’s that, the poor abused dented can just got the ever-lovin’ crap kicked out of it again.

But no worries, see that hill over there? No, dummy, that one way off in the distance, that’s the one the GOP will fight for. Here, you can see it with these 400x binoculars.

Bishop on December 12, 2013 at 6:28 PM

Nobody got suckered. The GOP was complicit. The sooner we get used to that idea, the sooner we can start enacting real change.

gryphon202 on December 12, 2013 at 6:23 PM

You are probably correct.
They are still all suckers imo. They are grazing fat now, but when there is an economic crash they actually have more to lose and are not prepared for it.

Mimzey on December 12, 2013 at 6:27 PM

You think politicians, holding the reins of power, are going to let themselves be caught holding the bag? Not bloody likely. The Republicans will get theirs too. These budget negotiations should be the final proof that they, too, will do whatever is necessary to profit off the backs of the taxpayers.

gryphon202 on December 12, 2013 at 6:29 PM

Does Boehner have a primary challenger?

And what the heck are we supposed to do? The GOP leadership DESPISE us (conservatives). They really do. So what are our choices? Reward them for kicking us in the teeth? Or let them get booted out and hand Obama, Pelosi, and Reid unfettered power?

Jack_Burton on December 12, 2013 at 6:23 PM

What difference does it make at this point? It’s a Hobson’s Choice. The options are one and the same, a lose-lose.

Boehnor won the 2012 election with 100% of the vote. No one challenged him. And if anyone did this time, Karl Rove and the Moderate Socialist Brigade will do anything in their power to crush that candidate.

Myron Falwell on December 12, 2013 at 6:29 PM

Purist is the new raaaaacist.

ElectricPhase on December 12, 2013 at 6:21 PM

Beat me to it.

Any questioning of Obama = “you’re just racist!”
Any questioning of GOP establishment = “you’re just a purist!”

Ace ODale on December 12, 2013 at 6:31 PM

In the short term, there is but a distinction without a difference. The question is, when the whole house of cards collapses, will there be a replacement party ready like 1860, or will the Rats limp along in power another 16 years like 1824?

Steve Eggleston on December 12, 2013 at 6:27 PM

The former would be ideal, but the latter is more likely. There is no difference between the Dems and the GOPe.

Myron Falwell on December 12, 2013 at 6:31 PM

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Jamie Dupree ‏@jamiedupree 4m

House votes 332-94 in favor of bipartisan budget deal
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canopfor on December 12, 2013 at 6:31 PM

This vote isn’t even close – right now 219-51 with GOP 122-38

canopfor on December 12, 2013 at 6:27 PM

Thanks, you jerk, now I’ll have to wear a weight belt before taking calls from the GOP asking for money so that when I laugh uncontrollably I hopefully won’t get a hernia.

I used to be on their Prime Mover list, those days are over.

Bishop on December 12, 2013 at 6:32 PM

Gee, good thing the GOP is fighting hard for military retirees.

A Balrog of Morgoth on December 12, 2013 at 6:33 PM

Well that’s that, the poor abused dented can just got the ever-lovin’ crap kicked out of it again.

But no worries, see that hill over there? No, dummy, that one way off in the distance, that’s the one the GOP will fight for. Here, you can see it with these 400x binoculars.

Bishop on December 12, 2013 at 6:28 PM

We’re confusing “die” with “lie”, and “hill” with “molehill”.

I’ll let your imaginatino run wild on the position of said molehill relative to the prone GOP.

Steve Eggleston on December 12, 2013 at 6:34 PM

Gee, good thing the GOP is fighting hard for military retirees.

A Balrog of Morgoth on December 12, 2013 at 6:33 PM

Defense contractors won. Military retirees lost. That tells you all you need to know about GOP leadership and the Democrats too.

Wigglesworth on December 12, 2013 at 6:34 PM

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US House approves Ryan-Murray 2-year budget proposal; Senate to consider bill next week – @washingtonpost
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canopfor on December 12, 2013 at 6:35 PM

The Republican phobia of a government shutdown is precisely what’s pissing so many of us off.

gryphon202 on December 12, 2013 at 6:21 PM

So, facilitating two more shutdowns, (just enough to take the OCare implosion off the table) and giving up a probable Senate take-over, re-gaining both branches of the legislature, forcing Obama and his liberal agenda to come to a complete halt, is not more important as forcing an ideology (though sincere), to make a point about a phobia?

Rovin on December 12, 2013 at 6:35 PM

You think politicians, holding the reins of power, are going to let themselves be caught holding the bag? Not bloody likely. The Republicans will get theirs too. These budget negotiations should be the final proof that they, too, will do whatever is necessary to profit off the backs of the taxpayers.

gryphon202 on December 12, 2013 at 6:29 PM

This environment is no different than what France was like in the late 1780s.

The Estates General is punishing us all in the name of unfettered power, and aided by a rigged system and illusion of a two-party system.

Myron Falwell on December 12, 2013 at 6:35 PM

canopfor on December 12, 2013 at 6:27 PM

Thanks, you jerk, now I’ll have to wear a weight belt before taking calls from the GOP asking for money so that when I laugh uncontrollably I hopefully won’t get a hernia.

I used to be on their Prime Mover list, those days are over.

Bishop on December 12, 2013 at 6:32 PM

Bishop:

Hey,..your not the only one on the losing side, and btw, you should read me:)

canopfor on December 12, 2013 at 6:36 PM

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Jamie Dupree ‏@jamiedupree 4m

NOT EVEN CLOSE:

Republicans were 169-62 in favor of the plan,

Dems were 163-32 in favor

canopfor on December 12, 2013 at 6:37 PM

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