Let’s make a deal day dawns

posted at 8:01 am on December 12, 2013 by Jazz Shaw

The day has arrived in a rush, what with the congressional calendar only having a few hours left on it. Reports arrived last night that The Deal was going to be coming up for a vote today in advance of everyone heading home for the Christmas break. And we all know what we think about the deal without digging into all the tawdry details yet again. When the first hints of the specifics broke, I wrote a none too flattering column on how the immediate spending was going up rather than heading for somewhere between the margins of each side. It depends on Lucy and the Football promises of cuts to be named at some point in an imaginary future. There are taxes dressed up as “increased fees” and it dips into the only real cuts we’ve seen in the living memory of some readers.

Nobody else liked it either. Erick Erickson called it the BOHICA Act of 2013. All the conservative PACs called for open revolt. Rand Paul and Marco Rubio walked away at a fast trot. For Pete’s sake, even Mitch is going to bail out on it. (Of course, to be fair, he’s running from a challenge on the Right at the moment.) So I think we all know what needs to be done now, right?

We need to pass this thing and move on.

Even understanding that 90% of the audience just tuned out and begin smashing the cap locks key to type RINO in the comments section, let’s press on.

Allahpundit’s analysis of some of the realities of this situation in the Boehner Declares War post, while not in any way an endorsement, contains a number of uncomfortable truths which we’ve been seeing play out in the media for months. First of all, the difference between a marginal win and a marginal loss on this bill are too insignificant to lose sleep over except on purely ideological “die on any hill you can find” lines. With a bitter war and the threat (or reality) of another partial shutdown, even the gains in additional spending reductions that might be seized would be a pittance spread over ten years which wouldn’t cover the congressional copier paper bill. But the potential losses taken in winning that pyrrhic victory could be significant.

We’re at an unusual point in the long term political arms race right now, and we haven’t been at such a juncture for so long that bruised conservatives might not even recognize it anymore. On the electoral front, we’re looking at anywhere from six to as many as nine seats in the Senate which should definitely be not just in play, but winnable. (I won’t burn up the post with all those details yet again, but you get to nine if you include Franken.) There’s no significant danger of losing the House. On the general policy front, Obamacare is sinking the Democrats and for the first time in a very long while, the public is thinking that perhaps they were a bit too hasty and maybe the GOP should take control of things again.

The media hates talking about any of this, proving extremely effective in masking the message to the middle land voters of the nation. Even as Democrats like Mary Landrieu and Mark Pryor are sinking in the polls, most of the talking heads will only focus on Steve Stockman throwing down the gauntlet in front of Cornyn. A GOP domestic violence story is always good for months of coverage if it lets them avoid talking about a Democrat in trouble. And when it comes to policy, the only reason they finally started talking about Obamacare is because there was nothing else left on the plate and everyone was up in arms. Given even a whiff of the buffet of another shutdown, you won’t hear a word about Obamacare anywhere outside of FOX for months on end.

The point is, momentum is on the Right side and eleven months is not an eternity. With a little focus and a bit less circular firing squad, we could see the GOP in control of both chambers in January 2015. At that point, Congress can finally stop being “do nothings” and finally begin “doing their job” as the media (and Obama) so frequently claim they would like. Budgets with real cuts could be passed. Bills which promote business growth and jobs could reach the President’s desk. And then he can either spend his last two years wearing out his veto pen and being the single handed obstructionist he has claimed to despise all this time or pull a Clintonian move to the middle and join forces to get something done. Either way is a win. It’s not assured by any means, but it’s one heck of a lot more promising and – seemingly – within reach than anything else we’ve seen in a while.

This may be the time to take an admittedly disappointing and crappy deal today, but bank the good will that comes from it for next November. (But before we do, we should make sure that Boehner ditches that clause about making tax increases easier though. The Democrats can’t be that wedded to it.) We’re playing the long game here, not just looking to win a skirmish or two on the front line. No, it’s not a good deal, but Ryan has made the deal that we have to work with. And it might be turned into something much better in the next twelve months. And in order to get full value for our sacrifice, the deal needs Republican support in a team effort. Not everyone will be able to vote for it, I know – particularly those thinking of a presidential run – but it needs majority GOP support. If Boehner has to pass this “over the objections of his own party” relying on Democrats to drag it over the finish line, then that’s the only story that gets told, along with the “crazy wing of the party at war with itself” meme. This is just one of those bitter pills that has a chance to be worth swallowing.

I now leave you to finish lighting the torches.


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F them!

KOOLAID2 on December 12, 2013 at 8:03 AM

This may be the time to take an admittedly disappointing and crappy deal today, but bank the good will that comes from it for next November.

No, disappointing is not getting everything that you’d like. Ryan gives us nothing that is remotely fiscally conservative. Easing the sequester discipline was the first indication that this is nothing but yet another cave by the surrender weasels.

I will be supporting individual candidates but I pity the RNC telemarketer that dares call begging for money to keep these Quislings in power.

Happy Nomad on December 12, 2013 at 8:06 AM

I now leave you to finish lighting the torches

…I’ll bring the tar…and feathers!

KOOLAID2 on December 12, 2013 at 8:06 AM

“I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today” ~ Wimpy

simkeith on December 12, 2013 at 8:10 AM

Let’s make a deal eradicate the conservative movement from the GOPe once and for all in a unipartisan budget deal day dawns

Get it right, Jazz.

Myron Falwell on December 12, 2013 at 8:10 AM

1034 words to say,”Eat the crap sandwich.”

:D

VibrioCocci on December 12, 2013 at 8:11 AM

Isn’t this the same speech that Neville Chamberlain gave in 1939?

WordsMatter on December 12, 2013 at 8:11 AM

The only reasons to jam this through the House now instead of after the new year are: 1) not to give the conservatives time to carefully read it; and 2) clear the decks for amnesty.

There is time (albeit a short amount) to do this in January before funding runs out.

What happened to the House GOP’s promise in the 2010 elections to post all bills for three days so the public could read them, too? Down the memory hole? Had an expiration date like all of Barack Obama’s statements?

Wethal on December 12, 2013 at 8:12 AM

Knock it off Jazz. You keep writing like this and someone’s gonna poach you from us.

Renee on December 12, 2013 at 8:13 AM

F them!

KOOLAID2 on December 12, 2013 at 8:03 AM

You beat me to it. When I saw the “only the congresscritter decides how he’ll vote,” I thought, “Yeah, and only I decide whom I will support with donations.”

And from now on, I’ll ask about Tea Party, and become a single issue voter. Of course, that means “America” is my single issue, as theirs is “re-election.”

What do I even care if they win? Last time, they screwed us as bad as the D’s, even giving the D’s committee chairmanships for “bipartisan.” How’d “bipartisan” work during the O-care vote, @ashats?

F them, indeed. And the horse they rode in on.

And anybody who looks like them.

Or the horse they rode in on.

Wino on December 12, 2013 at 8:13 AM

OT- The differences in colors are striking between the picture on this post and the post where Boehner calls dissent to this bad plan ridiculous. Same event, same people, different colors entirely.

Happy Nomad on December 12, 2013 at 8:13 AM

Should be exciting. We all know our leadership will fight our cause to the bitter end.

Or until they get a slice of pork. Whichever comes first.

kcewa on December 12, 2013 at 8:14 AM

F them, indeed. And the horse they rode in on.

And anybody who looks like them.

Or the horse they rode in on.

Wino on December 12, 2013 at 8:13 AM

Leave the horses alone.

kcewa on December 12, 2013 at 8:15 AM

What happened to the House GOP’s promise in the 2010 elections to post all bills for three days so the public could read them, too? Down the memory hole? Had an expiration date like all of Barack Obama’s statements?

Wethal on December 12, 2013 at 8:12 AM

It’s obvious that that GOPe lied to attain power. They are no different than the Dems. Prove me wrong otherwise.

Myron Falwell on December 12, 2013 at 8:17 AM

Anybody know of a CONSERVATIVE website? I’m stuck in a RINO nature preserve.

philw1776 on December 12, 2013 at 8:17 AM

Bottom line here. It is well for the surrender weasels to stamp their little paws and tell us that this is not the hill to take a stand. That we have to think strategically and support this. They even use the term pragmatic which is the legislative version of “electable” (see McCain, Dole, and Romney).

That’s fine, but if we are thinking strategically, where is the strategy in Boehner going out of his way to attack conservatives and conservative groups? Shouldn’t there be some deal making where the orange dicator gets behind closed doors with budget hawks and work out a deal in order to get support for this debacle of a bill that he’s pushing like it is the Magna Carta or something.

Happy Nomad on December 12, 2013 at 8:18 AM

Should be exciting. We all know our leadership will fight our cause to the bitter end.

That reminds me of the old joke: “All you can drink for 50 cents!”
You order one drink and slam it down, then ask for a refill. The bartender says, “Sorry. One is ‘all you can drink’ for 50 cents.”

They’ll fight to the bitter end. This morning is the bitter end.

Wino on December 12, 2013 at 8:19 AM

This is NO F’ng Deal. Total republican cave, even worse than expected.

tim c on December 12, 2013 at 8:20 AM

Should be exciting. We all know our leadership will fight our cause to the bitter end.

Or until they get a slice of pork. Whichever comes first.

kcewa on December 12, 2013 at 8:14 AM

McConnell got a dam out of the last cave. I wonder what Boehner and/or Ryan get for their constituents out of this.

Happy Nomad on December 12, 2013 at 8:20 AM

It’s obvious that that GOPe lied to attain power. They are no different than the Dems. Prove me wrong otherwise.

Myron Falwell on December 12, 2013 at 8:17 AM

They have no power. They just lied to go to DC and play the role of “the opposition” in the dem’s phony compromise show.

kcewa on December 12, 2013 at 8:21 AM

This is just one of those bitter pills that has a chance to be worth swallowing.

Are you sure that’s a pill?

By the way, when does Rove’s check arrive?

Mr. Arrogant on December 12, 2013 at 8:22 AM

Doing things now to garner some “good will” from The Media in 2014 is a fool’s errand. Pssst: The Media will always side with the Donks, no matter what the GOP does.

HornHiAceDeuce on December 12, 2013 at 8:23 AM

David Stockman says it well.

“let’s be clear—it’s a joke and betrayal,” Stockman, who served under President Ronald Reagan, said on “Squawk on the Street.” “It’s the final surrender of the House Republican leadership to Beltway politics and kicking the can and ignoring the budget monster that’s hurtling down the road.”

Happy Nomad on December 12, 2013 at 8:27 AM

I am tired of playing the long game, been doing it for many years. I want a short term win. What’s to lose, defund Obamacare send the rest to the Senate. Let them close it down, Americans do not want Obamacare and that is the big issue. Why is Ryan fully funding this disaster? Good Lord, morons rule.

hip shot on December 12, 2013 at 8:27 AM

…we could see the GOP in control of both chambers in January 2015. At that point, Congress can finally stop being “do nothings” and finally begin “doing their job” as the media (and Obama) so frequently claim they would like. Budgets with real cuts could be passed. Bills which promote business growth and jobs could reach the President’s desk.

Good article Jazz but here is where I disagree with you. You’re relying too much on the “return” to sane government via GOP control of Congress. I don’t think that’s possible. The current crop of GOP leadership has demonstrated time after time their inclusion in the big government mode of thinking and governing over us peons. Just because they get complete control of both houses won’t change that. Only a complete overhaul of GOP leadership can do that.

Mcconnell…out. Boehner…out. Cantor…out. And it pains me to say this, but Ryan is no great shakes either. We the people have to change the GOP leadership and their current way of thinking or else nothing will change. Nothing will change at all.

JSobon on December 12, 2013 at 8:28 AM

This may be the time to take an admittedly disappointing and crappy deal today, but bank the good will that comes from it for next November.

Like Amnesty?

No.

workingclass artist on December 12, 2013 at 8:32 AM

was this written before or after the part of the bill that restricts the minority party in the senate was revealed? i have feeling it wouldnt matter, jazz just wants to surrender as fast as he can.

chasdal on December 12, 2013 at 8:33 AM

This may be the time to take an admittedly disappointing and crappy deal today, but bank the good will that comes from it for next November

No thanks, I’d rather see Patty Murray in a Bikini.

ToddPA on December 12, 2013 at 8:35 AM

Congress is paid $174,000.00 per year.

State legislators in Texas make $600 per month, or $7,200 per year, plus a per diem of $150 for every day the Legislature is in session (also including any special sessions). That adds up to $28,200 a year for a regular session (140 days), with the total pay for a two-year term being $35,400.

They meet every other year.

Do that in DC and that’ll save taxpayers money.

workingclass artist on December 12, 2013 at 8:41 AM

No thanks, I’d rather see Patty Murray in a Bikini.

ToddPA on December 12, 2013 at 8:35 AM

Well now there is an image that I won’t soon be able to get out of my mind. ACK!

Happy Nomad on December 12, 2013 at 8:43 AM

I support this just from the standpoint that things need to suck more before the crisis at hand breaks through the reality TV noise and the people realize what they are about to lose.

tdarrington on December 12, 2013 at 8:46 AM

workingclass artist on December 12, 2013 at 8:41 AM

If the fed gov’t was doing only what it is supposed to be doing, they should go into session on Jan 3, and run out of stuff to do by Mar 31.

tdarrington on December 12, 2013 at 8:49 AM

No thanks, I’d rather see Patty Murray in a Bikini.

ToddPA on December 12, 2013 at 8:35 AM

Well now there is an image that I won’t soon be able to get out of my mind. ACK!

Happy Nomad on December 12, 2013 at 8:43 AM

A friend of mine went to high school with Patty (Johns) Murray. She has a picture of her and Patty on the beach but thankfully no bikini.

Unfortunately no pictures that would be useful for blackmail either.

kcewa on December 12, 2013 at 8:49 AM

I bet you that illegals will vote for Republicans, if they pass Amnesty, also, don’t you Jazz?

E-mail me. I have a couple of bridges over the Mississippi River at Memphis to sell you.

Just say no deal.

kingsjester on December 12, 2013 at 8:50 AM

I’ll repeat what I said yesterday. I’m fine with this strategery, but I don’t trust the GOP leadership. Does anyone seriously believe that come January 2015, the Republicans upon seizing control of both chambers of Congress will actually start to go after the Obama/Reid agenda and try to roll any of it back? For God’s sake, they can’t even preserve the sequester in this deal when they were facing no political backlash from voters over it. Which means they’re rolling it back because even a small reduction in the rate of growth in spending is something they can’t stomach. And we’re trusting these same phonies to tackle a trillion dollar annual deficit(not to mention $17.3 trillion in debt and a hundred trillion in unfunded liabilities)?

No offense, but I ain’t buying it. You wanna know what I think we’ll be hearing a year from now if/when the GOP wins back the Senate? I fully expect Boehner and McConnell(assuming he survives his primary) to tell us that we can’t rock the boat and go after Obama. He’s a lame duck anyway and we have a Presidential election right around the corner. So let’s try to win back the White House and then in 2017, that’s when they can finally start to tackle these issues. Take it to the bank. That’s exactly what they’ll be telling us.

Doughboy on December 12, 2013 at 8:50 AM

Left out the work “think”. It’s early.

kingsjester on December 12, 2013 at 8:50 AM

The GOP and Rats may as well merge – it’s the only way Ryan and company might hang onto a couple of committee chairmanships come 2015 after the former base of the GOP makes the divorce official.

Steve Eggleston on December 12, 2013 at 8:51 AM

GOP promises to fight the next battle are as old, tiresome and useless as the Democrats promises of future spending cuts.

The Republican party will never be a part of the solution, because they are half of the damned problem.

Stephen Macklin on December 12, 2013 at 8:52 AM

With a little focus and a bit less circular firing squad, we could see the GOP in control of both chambers in January 2015. At that point, Congress can finally stop being “do nothings” and finally begin “doing their job” as the media (and Obama) so frequently claim they would like. Budgets with real cuts could be passed. Bills which promote business growth and jobs could reach the President’s desk.

The truth is that if the GOP wins they won’t cut spending, and they’ll send more jobs, to China, and legalize millions of illegal aliens, to compete with Americans here, and get this….these are the good guys.

DFCtomm on December 12, 2013 at 8:52 AM

So let’s try to win back the White House and then in 2017, that’s when they can finally start to tackle these issues. Take it to the bank. That’s exactly what they’ll be telling us.

Doughboy on December 12, 2013 at 8:50 AM

And in 2017, Pres Christie will be telling us not to rock the boat to make sure we hold congress in the ’18 midterms, then ensure re-election in ’20. Appeasement never works.

tdarrington on December 12, 2013 at 8:55 AM

You know that old saying: “If you strike a king, you must kill him.” Last Sep was a strike without commitment to follow through. And here we are again.

apostic on December 12, 2013 at 8:55 AM

This deal makes it look like having a majority in the House is worthless if all they do is cave to the tax and spend crowd. If, as Rush says, the Rs are scared to death of being blamed for another govt shutdown what are they going to do when they get blamed for whatever the left conjures up when they need to blame them for something. Seems as if they will get blamed for ‘caving’ almost as much as a shutdown and deservedly so.

Kissmygrits on December 12, 2013 at 9:00 AM

I might not be able to do much about this sh!t sandwich, but anyone who votes for this better not expect my vote when I step into the booth.

From Boehner’s comments yesterday, it is clear what he thinks of the voters who put him where he is – as if we didn’t know already.

DRayRaven on December 12, 2013 at 9:00 AM

First of all, the difference between a marginal win and a marginal loss on this bill are too insignificant to lose sleep over except on purely ideological “die on any hill you can find” lines.

Man, you’ve got some nerve referencing that idiom. I’d really like to know when the last hill to die on was. Anyone? When? Here, again, is something apparently not worth the aggravation. It’s never the right time for you guys. Never. Oh, except that distant mirage of a GOP White House and legislature. But until then, whenever that’s supposed to happen, we should just be nice. Democrats always have the knife in their teeth. Always. For everything. They play for keeps, and we keep playing for time.

Dongemaharu on December 12, 2013 at 9:00 AM

But the potential losses taken in winning that pyrrhic victory could be significant.

See, this is the problem. All we EVER hear from ‘our folks’ is that we can’t possibly fight to win on *this* fight, because it’d be ‘Pyrrhic’ only, and we’d lose in the long run, so… not today, not this hill, not this battle, but by God, we’ll give ‘em hell *next* time!

And it’d be bad enough if that’s all there was to it; but the GOP is actively – ACTIVELY – conspiring with the Democrats on the content of these actions. There’s no hoodwinking going on here (and if you think there is, well that’s another reason to stop voting for these shitwits). So the whole ‘nope, better night fight this one’ after having helped make the fight one that looks like a crappy one to wage is simply part of the deception.

I simply will not vote for the GOP again. Period.

Midas on December 12, 2013 at 9:00 AM

If the fed gov’t was doing only what it is supposed to be doing, they should go into session on Jan 3, and run out of stuff to do by Mar 31.

tdarrington on December 12, 2013 at 8:49 AM

The number of laws passed by Congress last year was fewer than at any point since 1947. And to make matters worse, Congress will get 239 “vacation days” in 2013.

So we’re paying them $1380.00/day or $172.00/hr

There are 128 lawyers in the House and another 45 in the Senate. There are 55 career politicians in the House and another nine in the Senate.

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-01-10/the-113th-congress-by-the-numbers

workingclass artist on December 12, 2013 at 9:03 AM

Knock it off Jazz. You keep writing like this and someone’s gonna poach you from us.

Renee on December 12, 2013 at 8:13 AM

Puhleeeeze do! Shaw is all for the crap sandwich and is just a crap weasel himself. He’s probably do well over at Daily Kos.

Quartermaster on December 12, 2013 at 9:06 AM

And in 2017, Pres Christie will be telling us not to rock the boat to make sure we hold congress in the ’18 midterms, then ensure re-election in ’20. Appeasement never works.

tdarrington on December 12, 2013 at 8:55 AM

And one other thing I completely forgot to mention. If this budget deal is about not screwing things up between now and the midterms, then why are we hearing rumblings about a freaking amnesty bill being voted on in the House before next November? Do the Beltway Republicans really think that won’t negatively affect turnout with their own base?

Doughboy on December 12, 2013 at 9:06 AM

The hilarity of watching Jazz Shaw lie and lie and lie and lie that he and other “moderates” are ever going to cut spending has gotten tiresome.

You’re a liar, Jazz. You don’t oppose Obamacare, you don’t oppose crushing regulations, you don’t oppose taxing the sh*t put of the productive, and you don’t oppose unlimited handouts to the lazy at everyone else’s expense. You just want to sit on your ass and draw a taxpayer-funded salary to tell us flyover rubes what you and your fellow Beltway halfwits who would starve to death in the private sector have decided is best for us.

You are a liar. Period.

northdallasthirty on December 12, 2013 at 9:07 AM

The number of laws passed by Congress last year was fewer than at any point since 1947.

Congress has been grinding out laws since 1791. You would think they would be done by now.

tdarrington on December 12, 2013 at 9:08 AM

Just listen to the mewling ‘not worth the fight’ commentary.

Just listen to the crap that comes out of Boehner/McConnell/et al.

Have you *ever* heard the Democrats or their leadership say these kinds of things?

Have you *ever* heard them historically lament that they can’t do anything because they only control one half of one chamber of Congress? Or that they simply couldn’t fight – even when they were the minority in both houses and didn’t have the Presidency?

HELL F*CKING NO.

They work hard and *find* ways to fight, to gum up the works, to block the roads, to GET WHAT THEY WANT or to slow down their opposition. *Every* day. *Every* time. *Every* fight.

A difference (other than overt GOP cowardice) is that the media cover for the Dems. Reality stipulated.

That said, the GOP’s response is… surrender? Decide to be willing accomplices to the Dems?

F*ck the GOP.

Midas on December 12, 2013 at 9:09 AM

The republicans get snookered again. They’re no different than the Dems – protect their jobs at any cost. Methinks the leadership in the legislative branch is the poorest example I’ve ever seen in my life. The only thing that surpasses their incompetence is the Obama presidency and its administration.

iamsaved on December 12, 2013 at 9:09 AM

My point being that taxpayers pay these schiesters a lot of money to run hearings that go nowhere…surrender to a fascist president…make up laws that nobody reads and that they don’t live under.

workingclass artist on December 12, 2013 at 9:12 AM

Congress has been grinding out laws since 1791. You would think they would be done by now.

tdarrington on December 12, 2013 at 9:08 AM

First laugh of the morning on a bitter cold yet oppressive day. Well, not a laugh, more of a chuckle. Maybe not a chuckle, either, but I did smile.

Fallon on December 12, 2013 at 9:14 AM

Congress has been grinding out laws since 1791. You would think they would be done by now.

tdarrington on December 12, 2013 at 9:08 AM

Most of them are laws that name post offices and fund tea pot museums or something…

workingclass artist on December 12, 2013 at 9:14 AM

With a little focus and a bit less circular firing squad, we could see the GOP in control of both chambers in January 2015. At that point, Congress can finally stop being “do nothings” and finally begin “doing their job” as the media (and Obama) so frequently claim they would like. Budgets with real cuts could be passed. Bills which promote business growth and jobs could reach the President’s desk.

Ah, the eternal GOP mirage.

Seriously, how long have we been hearing that? And what happened when they actually *got* it, just last decade? NONE OF THOSE THINGS were done. Government grew dramatically, spending grew dramatically, budgets with cuts were *not* passed, business was saddled with more regulation and entitlement burden, etc.

Ah, but ‘next time will be different’, right? Please.

Midas on December 12, 2013 at 9:14 AM

Even understanding that 90% of the audience just tuned out and begin smashing the cap locks key to type RINO in the comments section, let’s press on.

Nice to way to preemptively dismiss any rational criticism, Jazz.

Ace had a nice article here about how the Republicans also gave Harry Reid extra power to raise taxes: http://ace.mu.nu/archives/345645.php

I’ll just repeat what I’ve been saying in other threads. The Republicans had NO reason to give any of this stuff away. They are giving it to the Democrats because they support the Democrats and Obama. Saying “we need to focus on Obamacare” is just an excuse. Amnesty will be passed with exactly the same excuse.

Doomberg on December 12, 2013 at 9:15 AM

Congress has been grinding out laws since 1791. You would think they would be done by now.

tdarrington on December 12, 2013 at 9:08 AM

First laugh of the morning on a bitter cold yet oppressive day. Well, not a laugh, more of a chuckle. Maybe not a chuckle, either, but I did smile.

Fallon on December 12, 2013 at 9:14 AM

*snicker*

workingclass artist on December 12, 2013 at 9:16 AM

On the general policy front, Obamacare is sinking the Democrats and for the first time in a very long while, the public is thinking that perhaps they were a bit too hasty and maybe the GOP should take control of things again.

The GOP will take control and rescue Obamacare, you can count on it. They may alter it, but they will not eliminate it. They’re all for it, as they are all for this budget cave. We need to face the fact that the GOP is, more than anything else, a liberal party.

rickv404 on December 12, 2013 at 9:19 AM

I find myself agreeing pretty much with Jazz. We can’t get much of anything accomplished as long as Reid and Obama hold the Senate and White House. Another budget crisis viewed as being caused by the GOP isn’t going to get us closer to taking the Senate. It’s not an extremely long game. It is a win the Senate in 2014 game. IF, and a big IF, we do come out of 2014 with the House and Senate then we can see if the GOP is finally ready to govern. As Jazz wrote, if they do Obama will either have to veto everything and become the obstructionist or pivot to the center. If, on the other hand, we win in 2014 and the GOP rolls back to “compassionate conservatism” or some other RINO-rific stance, the rebellionn is in 2016 and we just laugh hysterically anytime Christie, Huckabee, Huntsman, Ryan, etc are even tangentially mentioned as the nominee.

In the meantime, this deal, minus the new tax provision, may be the best we can do without blowing up our 2014 Senate chances in another CR battle.

deepdiver on December 12, 2013 at 9:22 AM

I’ll just repeat what I’ve been saying in other threads. The Republicans had NO reason to give any of this stuff away. They are giving it to the Democrats because they support the Democrats and Obama. Saying “we need to focus on Obamacare” is just an excuse. Amnesty will be passed with exactly the same excuse.

Doomberg on December 12, 2013 at 9:15 AM

It’s all Bull Sh*T anyway…Because Obama does what he wants to anyway.

GOP Congress is a joke….an overpaid impotent surrender caucus joke.

workingclass artist on December 12, 2013 at 9:22 AM

SUSFU….(situation unchanged, still farked up)

crosshugger on December 12, 2013 at 9:25 AM

Shorter Jazz: Republicans, bend over and grab your ankles for the Democrats — AGAIN.

Yeah, that’s not what I’m looking for in a Republican politician. I’m looking for someone who will stand up like a man and FIGHT. Wimps need to resign and go home.

Lizzy on December 12, 2013 at 9:27 AM

“we need to pass this thing and move on”

move on to what?

no hope at this point.

spend your 401K and drain your bank accounts. obamas coming for his fair share.

renalin on December 12, 2013 at 9:30 AM

First of all, the difference between a marginal win and a marginal loss on this bill are too insignificant to lose sleep over except on purely ideological “die on any hill you can find” lines.

Quit with the “Republicans can’t be intransigent” over such small things as this. House leadership didn’t even try.

I don’t have a problem with AP’s and your analyses of playing for maintaining/enhancing advantage for the 2014 elections, but why couldn’t Boehner at least send the previously agreed to Sequester Budget to a vote and and then on to the Senate. Any intransigence would be with the Dems not passing a previous agreed to budget. I would think that playing up the fact the Dems won’t honor their commitments in a news cycle or two, might enhance the credibility of the GOP a tiny bit. The GOP could even play up the Dems wanting to shut down the government now.

Then at least, the GOP would have a reasonable excuse to bail and negotiate something. And the GOP would have another argument for their campaign ads for replacing more Dems reps and senators come November, 2104, and it would bolster arguing for a veto proof majorities.

Dusty on December 12, 2013 at 9:37 AM

The GOP isn’t going to cut spending because they can’t. Lets review some facts. Entitlements are the number one driver of the deficit, so if you can’t go after entitlement spending, then you can’t realistically dream of fixing the budget. Finally, we all saw what happened earlier this year when the EBT cards went down for one day in 18(?) states. We very nearly had a SHTF moment. Put those two facts together and you realize the GOP can’t do anything except view elections as symbolic victories that mean nothing other than they’ve scored more than the Democrats. The media is the band that just keeps playing as the Titanic slowly, at first then all at once, sinks.

DFCtomm on December 12, 2013 at 9:37 AM

yep

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UthMHjoNyjA

roflmmfao

donabernathy on December 12, 2013 at 9:37 AM

IF, and a big IF, we do come out of 2014 with the House and Senate then we can see if the GOP is finally ready to govern. As Jazz wrote, if they do Obama will either have to veto everything and become the obstructionist or pivot to the center. If, on the other hand, we win in 2014 and the GOP rolls back to “compassionate conservatism” or some other RINO-rific stance, the rebellionn is in 2016 and we just laugh hysterically anytime Christie, Huckabee, Huntsman, Ryan, etc are even tangentially mentioned as the nominee.

Gee, you said the same thing in 2010 and 2012 — give us power, keep us in power, and we’ll fight.

So all you’re doing is setting up a repeat. We give you power based on promises, you cave, and then you try to blame the media and “pragmatic”.

Liar. You are not going to fight. You never have fought. You and Jazz and your fellow Obama supporters are just going to latch yourself on to the Federal teat and demand we pay for it.

northdallasthirty on December 12, 2013 at 9:41 AM

Gee, you said the same thing in 2010 and 2012 — give us power, keep us in power, and we’ll fight.

northdallasthirty on December 12, 2013 at 9:41 AM

I remember hearing much the same thing in 2000, 2002 and 2004, though in that case, the promise was that the GOP would use total control of the elected portion of federal government to govern conservatively.

I’ll say it here and now – it is more likely Nancy Pelosi will be Speaker come 2015 than Harry Reid will no longer be Senate majority leader come 2015.

Steve Eggleston on December 12, 2013 at 9:46 AM

Knock it off Jazz. You keep writing like this and someone’s gonna poach you from us.

Renee on December 12, 2013 at 8:13 AM

Like the New York Slimes? Or the Washington Compost? Or the Huffington Puffington Post?

They always need an extra Socialist or two to give the fanciful illusion of “balance.”

Myron Falwell on December 12, 2013 at 9:50 AM

I’ll say it here and now – it is more likely Nancy Pelosi will be Speaker come 2015 than Harry Reid will no longer be Senate majority leader come 2015.

Steve Eggleston on December 12, 2013 at 9:46 AM

Careful… HotGas may revoke your blogging privileges.

Myron Falwell on December 12, 2013 at 9:51 AM

The budget deal stinks to high heaven, but thanks to the pointless shutdown over the “repeal Obamacare” unicorn, the Dems have the R’s over a barrel. Jazz is right, the deal is about as good as it will get and the R’s can put this lost battle behind them.

Since we will have to eat the sh*t sandwich, at least the R leadership should be honest. Don’t compound the humiliation with transparent lies. Tell the truth – this and all finance bills are only good until the end of the current Congress (or sooner). The 10 yr time horizon on the sequester made it 2 years and only that because the Rs agreed to spending increases as part of the earlier debt limit fight.

I predict regardless of how this vote goes, the Reps will gain no more than 1 or 2 seats. The Dems have a winning formula – back the craziest “Tea Party” candidate the can find and let the TruCons carry the weight in the intracene fight. Franken will face a candidate that will make Christine O’Donnell look sane and Todd Akins look mainstream.

deadman on December 12, 2013 at 9:53 AM

“we need to pass this thing and move on”

move on to what?

no hope at this point.

spend your 401K and drain your bank accounts. obamas coming for his fair share.

renalin on December 12, 2013 at 9:30 AM

Yeah.

workingclass artist on December 12, 2013 at 9:58 AM

deadman on December 12, 2013 at 9:53 AM

The conservative caucus of the GOPe can easily blow up this deal, or refuse to vote on it, in which case, Boehnor has to rely on violating the Hastert Rule in order to get it passed. The latter would actually be more acceptable than having conservatives commit political suicide by voting for a unipartisan deal.

And you are dead wrong. If this passes, the GOPe will lose their base once and for all. The House GOPe will lose 60+ seats due to massive defections and an actual party split in two. Maybe that’s what is supposed to happen. Maybe YOU are the Rihanna to the GOPe’s Chris Brown, taking abuse over and over again but always coming back for more, but the majority of actual conservatives have had it.

Let.the.GOPe.burn.

Myron Falwell on December 12, 2013 at 10:01 AM

Gee, you said the same thing in 2010 and 2012 — give us power, keep us in power, and we’ll fight.

Yet without power, you will lose all fights. Send wave after wave of men at the Hindenburg Line. True they will be mowed down, but they died fighting the good fight – stupidity then, stupidity now. A RINO who casts a single vote for Majority Leader/Speaker is preferable to any Democrat.

The Purges come AFTER the Revolution!

deadman on December 12, 2013 at 10:04 AM

Yet without power, you will lose all fights. Send wave after wave of men at the Hindenburg Line. True they will be mowed down, but they died fighting the good fight – stupidity then, stupidity now. A RINO who casts a single vote for Majority Leader/Speaker is preferable to any Democrat.

The Purges come AFTER the Revolution!

deadman on December 12, 2013 at 10:04 AM

Your really are a good surrender monkey.

If we followed your advice, then Benedict Arnold would have remained a high-ranking officer, and the British would have kicked our fannies with his intel.

Myron Falwell on December 12, 2013 at 10:08 AM

The Purges come AFTER the Revolution!

deadman on December 12, 2013 at 10:04 AM

Except in politics, when the Democrats purged ahead of the 2006 election.

Steve Eggleston on December 12, 2013 at 10:08 AM

Jazz really has written some crappy stuff in the past, but this takes the cake. Fans of Twitchy should weep at how worthless that site will become under Townhall control.

Myron Falwell on December 12, 2013 at 10:15 AM

You go to war with the army you have

-Donald Rumsfeld

The whole point of this debate is to do whatever is possible to fix the damage to America’s soul. It would be great to have legions of giant robot Conservatives, but that’s not going to happen in the next couple of election cycles. Without a majority, you will lose the fight. Get to a majority first by any means possible, then start the right shift. True, you will be disappointed by the initial sellouts, but in the long game, replace the moderates but always keep an eye to the majority.

Ideological purity is grand but always remember –
The Purges com AFTER the Revolution!

deadman on December 12, 2013 at 10:15 AM

Yet without power, you will lose all fights. Send wave after wave of men at the Hindenburg Line. True they will be mowed down, but they died fighting the good fight – stupidity then, stupidity now. A RINO who casts a single vote for Majority Leader/Speaker is preferable to any Democrat.

The Purges come AFTER the Revolution!

deadman on December 12, 2013 at 10:04 AM

LMAO.

Millions of people have had their taxes hiked.

Millions of people have lost their health insurance outright.

Millions of people have seen massive hikes in their premiums.

Millions of people have been tossed out of their jobs and fallen out of the workforce for good.

The annual deficit has exceeded and will continue to exceed a trillion dollars for the near future.

Millions of US citizens are being crushed under taxes and regulations while illegal immigrants get free everything, pay no taxes, and commit crime after crime with impunity.

But you and your fellow teat-suckers like Paul Ryan, Jazz Shaw, and John Boehner don’t care.

Don’t threaten us with death when your caving and pandering is already killing us.

Liar. Worse, malevolent, greedy, selfish liar.

northdallasthirty on December 12, 2013 at 10:16 AM

You go to war with the army you have

-Donald Rumsfeld

The whole point of this debate is to do whatever is possible to fix the damage to America’s soul. It would be great to have legions of giant robot Conservatives, but that’s not going to happen in the next couple of election cycles. Without a majority, you will lose the fight. Get to a majority first by any means possible, then start the right shift. True, you will be disappointed by the initial sellouts, but in the long game, replace the moderates but always keep an eye to the majority.

Ideological purity is grand but always remember –
The Purges com AFTER the Revolution!

deadman on December 12, 2013 at 10:15 AM

Conservatives have heard this garbage for the past 50 years, and look at where it’s taken this country… into a Socialist tailspin.

Ideological purity is now first and foremost. You are either with us, or you are against us. If you are against us, you will either be primaried or replaced by a more honest Dem.

Get it right, or go home, sit down, and shut up.

Myron Falwell on December 12, 2013 at 10:18 AM

Yet without power, you will lose all fights. Send wave after wave of men at the Hindenburg Line. True they will be mowed down, but they died fighting the good fight – stupidity then, stupidity now. A RINO who casts a single vote for Majority Leader/Speaker is preferable to any Democrat.

The Purges come AFTER the Revolution!

deadman on December 12, 2013 at 10:04 AM

LMAO.

Millions of people have had their taxes hiked.

Millions of people have lost their health insurance outright.

Millions of people have seen massive hikes in their premiums.

Millions of people have been tossed out of their jobs and fallen out of the workforce for good.

The annual deficit has exceeded and will continue to exceed a trillion dollars for the near future.

Millions of US citizens are being crushed under taxes and regulations while illegal immigrants get free everything, pay no taxes, and commit crime after crime with impunity.

But you and your fellow teat-suckers like Paul Ryan, Jazz Shaw, and John Boehner don’t care.

Don’t threaten us with death when your caving and pandering is already killing us.

Liar. Worse, malevolent, greedy, selfish liar.

northdallasthirty on December 12, 2013 at 10:16 AM

Thread winner.

Myron Falwell on December 12, 2013 at 10:23 AM

The whole point of this debate is to do whatever is possible to fix the damage to America’s soul.

And it begins by removing malicious pigs like you from power.

Cut off the legs and the head will topple. You and your fellow Obama “Republicans” are the legs that have Obama’s destruction possible. Once you are out of power, the way is clear for real conservatives who will call out Obama and who care about the country instead of their cronies.

northdallasthirty on December 12, 2013 at 10:23 AM

yes by all means let cut off our own face to spite our face…

falcaner on December 12, 2013 at 10:36 AM

Don’t threaten us with death when your caving and pandering is already killing us.

northdallasthirty on December 12, 2013 at 10:16 AM

Their cringing threats are matched by their total lack of imagination in argument. They can do nothing but offer more of the same, the same slow death, only now increasingly spiked with malice.

I’m glad in a way for all this. It clarifies. I hate the GOP and want it finished. It is absolutely our enemy — it has declared as much. It’s a different kind of enemey, but no less of one.

rrpjr on December 12, 2013 at 10:43 AM

The whole point of this debate is to do whatever is possible to fix the damage to America’s soul. It would be great to have legions of giant robot Conservatives, but that’s not going to happen in the next couple of election cycles. Without a majority, you will lose the fight. Get to a majority first by any means possible, then start the right shift. True, you will be disappointed by the initial sellouts, but in the long game, replace the moderates but always keep an eye to the majority.

Ideological purity is grand but always remember –
The Purges com AFTER the Revolution!

deadman on December 12, 2013 at 10:15 AM

How many more years do you plan to keep f*cking that chicken?

Buddy, that carcass is worn out after the hard shagging the GOPe has demanded of it over the last couple decades.

Precisely why do you think your prescription will work *this* time – as opposed to any other time the same witless mantra was chanted in the last 20 years?

You can’t have a revolution until you purge the traitors stabbing you in the back.

Midas on December 12, 2013 at 10:44 AM

Yeah, elections have consequences.

So why isn’t the GOP leadership handing consequences to the Democrats for losing control of the House?

What’s fascinating about this post is the idea that the budget differences aren’t worth fighting over. Well, if they aren’t worth fighting over then why is the GOP Establishment insisting upon them?

There was a chance for the GOP to show it still held true to the idea of fiscal conservatism, and the leadership voted Present.

JohnTant on December 12, 2013 at 10:45 AM

I’m tired of Jazz. I’m tired of this way of thinking. According to him, we need to hunker down and wait…

Wait for what? Is there any fight worth fighting according to these big govt progressives? When do we defend fiscally conservative principles? Is there any hill worth fighting on? Is there any part of the Constitution worth preserving?

Please write an article on that. Tell me if there are any issues we should defend.

kpguru on December 12, 2013 at 10:52 AM

Wait for what? Is there any fight worth fighting according to these big govt progressives? When do we defend fiscally conservative principles? Is there any hill worth fighting on? Is there any part of the Constitution worth preserving?

Please write an article on that. Tell me if there are any issues we should defend.

kpguru on December 12, 2013 at 10:52 AM

Well, for Jazz Shaw, he’ll fight for tax increases on working people, more welfare handouts, forcing churches to carry out gay-sex marriages, and getting rid of those nasty Tea Partiers and their small-government spending cuts ideas.

northdallasthirty on December 12, 2013 at 10:57 AM

We cannot politically afford to keep the government shut down between now and 2016, nor to have multiple successive government shutdowns as a Hail Mary of an argumentum ad populum. There is actual hope of winning that dumb tactics can actually screw up, and it’s not some dangerous delusion meant to lure us into complacency and surrender to tyranny. You not only fight with the army you have, you fight with the generals you have. Custer would totally botch Patton’s playbook. If you want Patton’s tactics, get a Patton. If there is no Patton to be seen outside of some PFC peeling potatoes, play to your Custer’s strengths while limiting his weaknesses.

Sekhmet on December 12, 2013 at 10:58 AM

An ideologically pure party with no hope of majority is pointless masturbation. Nothing will change, deficits will climb, jobs will disappear and America will decline. No hope of power is no hope of change. It will take many election cycles to build a new party. If you think the masses will flock to your banner and carry you to victory, you ought to be hanging out with the other coffee shop revolutionaries.

Real life is keeping things less bad while preparing to make thing better. Promoting the destruction of society to advance your political goals is deplorable and no better than all of those radical leftists that Reagan fought with in the battle to bring down the Evil Empire.

deadman on December 12, 2013 at 11:03 AM

you fight with the generals you have.

And the GOP is stuck with the guy who lost a debate to Joe Freaking Biden.

Honestly, if the Dems want a shutdown, they will get a shutdown regardless of what the GOP does – we learned that two months ago. If it’s going to happen, it might as well happen while we’re trying to do the right thing.

I’m pretty sure surrendering before the battle isn’t in either Custer’s or Patton’s playbook.

JohnTant on December 12, 2013 at 11:03 AM

Man, you’ve got some nerve referencing that idiom. I’d really like to know when the last hill to die on was. Anyone? When? Here, again, is something apparently not worth the aggravation. It’s never the right time for you guys. Never. Oh, except that distant mirage of a GOP White House and legislature. But until then, whenever that’s supposed to happen, we should just be nice. Democrats always have the knife in their teeth. Always. For everything. They play for keeps, and we keep playing for time.

Dongemaharu on December 12, 2013 at 9:00 AM

The shutdown comes to mind.

eva3071 on December 12, 2013 at 11:07 AM

This may be the time to take an admittedly disappointing and crappy deal today, but bank the good will that comes from it for next November. (But before we do, we should make sure that Boehner ditches that clause about making tax increases easier though. The Democrats can’t be that wedded to it.) We’re playing the long game here, not just looking to win a skirmish or two on the front line. No, it’s not a good deal, but Ryan has made the deal that we have to work with. And it might be turned into something much better in the next twelve months.

The problem with ‘the long game’ and banking the ‘good will that comes from it’ is entirely with the mindset and approach of the GOP Congressional leadership who seem to be locked into a perpetual inferiority complex; afraid of antagonizing the overwhelmingly progressive lapdog media, afraid of leading, afraid of standing on conservative principles, and quick to spin their preferred choice to ‘go along to get along’ with the progressives in Congress.

Even through the government shutdown forced by the GOP this past October, they were able to hold onto to the sequester. Yes, the sequester – the red line drawn on spending that we were told was as good as we could get in terms of spending reductions given we didn’t control the Senate, but was a good start as we played ‘the long game’. But now, after having accepted the sequester as it was for the ‘long game’ – the GOP has just given it away in order to kick the discretionary spending can down the road for 2 more years.

Part of the angst over your justifications of the deal, Jazz, is because we’ve been told this same malarkey since January 2011 when the GOP regained the House. ‘We’re doing the best we can’; ‘We’re looking and acting strategically’ – but in reality, it’s all a dodge to silence the conservative critics who are demanding that its past time for this government, led by the GOP, to restore fiscal responsibility and sanity.

Just kicking the can down the road another 2 years on discretionary spending isn’t fixing our dismal fiscal trajectory. The ‘good will’ gained is not leading us towards real tax and entitlement reform. Caving to the progressives didn’t / isn’t stopping the ‘nuclear option’ on the filibuster or resetting spending to the levels before TARP and the Stimulus (which have been codified into spending as part of the new normal).

The anger with the ‘go along to get along’ GOP leadership is very real. The anger with the bad deals, the lack of leadership, and the attacks on fiscal conservatism is very real. We’re labeled as the ‘opposition party’….it’s time to act as an opposition party.

Athos on December 12, 2013 at 11:07 AM

Well, for Jazz Shaw, he’ll fight for tax increases on working people, more welfare handouts, forcing churches to carry out gay-sex marriages, and getting rid of those nasty Tea Partiers and their small-government spending cuts ideas.

northdallasthirty on December 12, 2013 at 10:57 AM

Sounds about right.

The only reason I ever click on his articles is for the comments, which predictably rip him to shreds. I can’t be alone in that line of thinking.

Myron Falwell on December 12, 2013 at 11:09 AM

We cannot politically afford to keep the government shut down between now and 2016, nor to have multiple successive government shutdowns as a Hail Mary of an argumentum ad populum. There is actual hope of winning that dumb tactics can actually screw up, and it’s not some dangerous delusion meant to lure us into complacency and surrender to tyranny.

Sekhmet on December 12, 2013 at 10:58 AM

An ideologically pure party with no hope of majority is pointless masturbation. Nothing will change, deficits will climb, jobs will disappear and America will decline. No hope of power is no hope of change. It will take many election cycles to build a new party. If you think the masses will flock to your banner and carry you to victory, you ought to be hanging out with the other coffee shop revolutionaries.

Real life is keeping things less bad while preparing to make thing better. Promoting the destruction of society to advance your political goals is deplorable and no better than all of those radical leftists that Reagan fought with in the battle to bring down the Evil Empire.

deadman on December 12, 2013 at 11:03 AM

I repeat myself.

Millions of people have had their taxes hiked.

Millions of people have lost their health insurance outright.

Millions of people have seen massive hikes in their premiums.

Millions of people have been tossed out of their jobs and fallen out of the workforce for good.

The annual deficit has exceeded and will continue to exceed a trillion dollars for the near future.

Millions of US citizens are being crushed under taxes and regulations while illegal immigrants get free everything, pay no taxes, and commit crime after crime with impunity.

This is what giving you power has gotten us. This is what caving has produced. This is what believing your constant chanting of “not expedient, pragmatic, cost us votes” has done.

What difference would voting for Democrats have produced?

And the answer is very simple. If conservatives stop voting for you, you will no longer be in office.

There will be ZERO net change in our situation, because you have done nothing but capitulate and cave and give the Obama Party everything it wants.

The only thing our rebellion destroys is YOU. YOUR power, YOUR perks, YOUR handouts, YOUR cushy position on the Federal teat.

That is why you and your idiots like Boehner, Ryan and Jazz Shaw are fighting and screaming and squalling in a fashion you would never in a million years direct at Democrats.

We will break you. And because parasites like you enabled the Obama Party, the odds are good that the country will break that much more quickly.

But a quick break is infinitely preferable to sentencing future generations to a slow death.

northdallasthirty on December 12, 2013 at 11:12 AM

And the GOP is stuck with the guy who lost a debate to Joe Freaking Biden.

Honestly, if the Dems want a shutdown, they will get a shutdown regardless of what the GOP does – we learned that two months ago. If it’s going to happen, it might as well happen while we’re trying to do the right thing.

I’m pretty sure surrendering before the battle isn’t in either Custer’s or Patton’s playbook.

JohnTant on December 12, 2013 at 11:03 AM

But even Patton made strategic retreats. I think a change of subject could throw us off the game with 0bamacare, and that was exactly what 0bama was hoping for with a budget fight. In a matter of weeks, people will be falling off their ladders taking down their Christmas lights, then getting the bill for the trip to the ER. Those who have not enrolled for insurance are about to see their tax returns decimated. The low-info voter not only needs to stop believing in liberal lies, s/he needs to stop *wanting* to believe. Let’s let the new-found anger at Democrats set a bit more.

Sekhmet on December 12, 2013 at 11:13 AM

So why isn’t the GOP leadership handing consequences to the Democrats for losing control of the House?

Because numbnuts like Todd Akin, Sharon Angle, Christine O’Donnell et.al. did their level best to blow easy seats that would have resulted in a Senate majority. Because a crappy Romney campaign combined with “let it burn” purists not voting let the 2012 election slip away.

With out complete control of Congress, the best that can be hope for waiting it out with gridlock and accumulating seats. Conserve power until is can be used with effect. That is the difference between warfare and slaughter.

Here is a thought for the “Let it Burners”: Obama may get to appoint another Supreme Court justice. Does anyone believe Reid won’t suspend filibuster if the nominee is in jeopardy. The result is no hope of shifting the court right for the foreseeable future – another branch of government hopelessly lost.

deadman on December 12, 2013 at 11:15 AM

The only thing our rebellion destroys is YOU. YOUR power, YOUR perks, YOUR handouts, YOUR cushy position on the Federal teat.

That is why you and your idiots like Boehner, Ryan and Jazz Shaw are fighting and screaming and squalling in a fashion you would never in a million years direct at Democrats.

We will break you.
northdallasthirty on December 12, 2013 at 11:12 AM

Yes.

rrpjr on December 12, 2013 at 11:17 AM

The only thing our rebellion destroys is YOU. YOUR power, YOUR perks, YOUR handouts, YOUR cushy position on the Federal teat.

That is why you and your idiots like Boehner, Ryan and Jazz Shaw are fighting and screaming and squalling in a fashion you would never in a million years direct at Democrats.

We will break you.
northdallasthirty on December 12, 2013 at 11:12 AM

You’ve been doing a piss-poor job of it, though. I don’t think these guys will care about armchair generals swearing ten kinds of wrath upon them, after your faction humiliated itself in the shutdown.

eva3071 on December 12, 2013 at 11:20 AM

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