Let’s make a deal day dawns

posted at 8:01 am on December 12, 2013 by Jazz Shaw

The day has arrived in a rush, what with the congressional calendar only having a few hours left on it. Reports arrived last night that The Deal was going to be coming up for a vote today in advance of everyone heading home for the Christmas break. And we all know what we think about the deal without digging into all the tawdry details yet again. When the first hints of the specifics broke, I wrote a none too flattering column on how the immediate spending was going up rather than heading for somewhere between the margins of each side. It depends on Lucy and the Football promises of cuts to be named at some point in an imaginary future. There are taxes dressed up as “increased fees” and it dips into the only real cuts we’ve seen in the living memory of some readers.

Nobody else liked it either. Erick Erickson called it the BOHICA Act of 2013. All the conservative PACs called for open revolt. Rand Paul and Marco Rubio walked away at a fast trot. For Pete’s sake, even Mitch is going to bail out on it. (Of course, to be fair, he’s running from a challenge on the Right at the moment.) So I think we all know what needs to be done now, right?

We need to pass this thing and move on.

Even understanding that 90% of the audience just tuned out and begin smashing the cap locks key to type RINO in the comments section, let’s press on.

Allahpundit’s analysis of some of the realities of this situation in the Boehner Declares War post, while not in any way an endorsement, contains a number of uncomfortable truths which we’ve been seeing play out in the media for months. First of all, the difference between a marginal win and a marginal loss on this bill are too insignificant to lose sleep over except on purely ideological “die on any hill you can find” lines. With a bitter war and the threat (or reality) of another partial shutdown, even the gains in additional spending reductions that might be seized would be a pittance spread over ten years which wouldn’t cover the congressional copier paper bill. But the potential losses taken in winning that pyrrhic victory could be significant.

We’re at an unusual point in the long term political arms race right now, and we haven’t been at such a juncture for so long that bruised conservatives might not even recognize it anymore. On the electoral front, we’re looking at anywhere from six to as many as nine seats in the Senate which should definitely be not just in play, but winnable. (I won’t burn up the post with all those details yet again, but you get to nine if you include Franken.) There’s no significant danger of losing the House. On the general policy front, Obamacare is sinking the Democrats and for the first time in a very long while, the public is thinking that perhaps they were a bit too hasty and maybe the GOP should take control of things again.

The media hates talking about any of this, proving extremely effective in masking the message to the middle land voters of the nation. Even as Democrats like Mary Landrieu and Mark Pryor are sinking in the polls, most of the talking heads will only focus on Steve Stockman throwing down the gauntlet in front of Cornyn. A GOP domestic violence story is always good for months of coverage if it lets them avoid talking about a Democrat in trouble. And when it comes to policy, the only reason they finally started talking about Obamacare is because there was nothing else left on the plate and everyone was up in arms. Given even a whiff of the buffet of another shutdown, you won’t hear a word about Obamacare anywhere outside of FOX for months on end.

The point is, momentum is on the Right side and eleven months is not an eternity. With a little focus and a bit less circular firing squad, we could see the GOP in control of both chambers in January 2015. At that point, Congress can finally stop being “do nothings” and finally begin “doing their job” as the media (and Obama) so frequently claim they would like. Budgets with real cuts could be passed. Bills which promote business growth and jobs could reach the President’s desk. And then he can either spend his last two years wearing out his veto pen and being the single handed obstructionist he has claimed to despise all this time or pull a Clintonian move to the middle and join forces to get something done. Either way is a win. It’s not assured by any means, but it’s one heck of a lot more promising and – seemingly – within reach than anything else we’ve seen in a while.

This may be the time to take an admittedly disappointing and crappy deal today, but bank the good will that comes from it for next November. (But before we do, we should make sure that Boehner ditches that clause about making tax increases easier though. The Democrats can’t be that wedded to it.) We’re playing the long game here, not just looking to win a skirmish or two on the front line. No, it’s not a good deal, but Ryan has made the deal that we have to work with. And it might be turned into something much better in the next twelve months. And in order to get full value for our sacrifice, the deal needs Republican support in a team effort. Not everyone will be able to vote for it, I know – particularly those thinking of a presidential run – but it needs majority GOP support. If Boehner has to pass this “over the objections of his own party” relying on Democrats to drag it over the finish line, then that’s the only story that gets told, along with the “crazy wing of the party at war with itself” meme. This is just one of those bitter pills that has a chance to be worth swallowing.

I now leave you to finish lighting the torches.


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McConnell got a dam out of the last cave. I wonder what Boehner and/or Ryan get for their constituents out of this.

Happy Nomad on December 12, 2013 at 8:20 AM

Boehner is a cheap date. He never asks for anything.

Bitter Clinger on December 12, 2013 at 11:21 AM

Because numbnuts like Todd Akin, Sharon Angle, Christine O’Donnell et.al. did their level best to blow easy seats that would have resulted in a Senate majority.

How do three seats break a 56-seat majority?

Oh, that’s right. The fact that the RNC also threw them under the bus instead of punching back at Tax Cheat McCaskill, Communist Coons, and Liar Reid didn’t hurt at all.

Tell us, puppet, have you EVER criticized an Obama Party member? If you’re so hung up on “purity”, why don’t you support Republicans regardless instead of attacking any Republican who isn’t pure enough for you?

Because a crappy Romney campaign combined with “let it burn” purists not voting let the 2012 election slip away.

What crappy campaign? Romney pandered and pandered and made it clear he would increase welfare and vote for gay-sex marriage, just like the RINOs wanted.

After all, you claim America wants moderate Republicans who agree with the Dems on everything. Romney should have won in a landslide.

But it’s that last part that terrifies you, isn’t it? If we stay home, you’re off the Federal teat and out of your cushy job.

With out complete control of Congress, the best that can be hope for waiting it out with gridlock and accumulating seats. Conserve power until is can be used with effect. That is the difference between warfare and slaughter.

Here is a thought for the “Let it Burners”: Obama may get to appoint another Supreme Court justice. Does anyone believe Reid won’t suspend filibuster if the nominee is in jeopardy. The result is no hope of shifting the court right for the foreseeable future – another branch of government hopelessly lost.

deadman on December 12, 2013 at 11:15 AM

Does anyone believe you and your McCain won’t form another “gang” to get Obama’s Supreme Court Justice through, and then justify your doing it out of fear of the media calling you racist?

Obama already put two left-wing whackos on the bench, and you and your fellow RINOs voted for both of them. What exactly is your threat, when we have not one, but TWO examples that you won’t fight, that you will just roll over and cave and give Obama what he wants?

Answer, puppet. Since you won’t fight Obama’s Supreme Court nominees, why should we put you in power?

northdallasthirty on December 12, 2013 at 11:23 AM

You’ve been doing a piss-poor job of it, though. I don’t think these guys will care about armchair generals swearing ten kinds of wrath upon them, after your faction humiliated itself in the shutdown.

eva3071 on December 12, 2013 at 11:20 AM

With “friends” like you, who needs enemies?

Bitter Clinger on December 12, 2013 at 11:23 AM

The only thing our rebellion destroys is YOU. YOUR power, YOUR perks, YOUR handouts, YOUR cushy position on the Federal teat.

At the cost of misery for millions of fellow citizens – Yay Patriotism!

As bad as some of the current crop is, things are less bad than they could have been. With the help of RINOs such as Scott Brown (former R-MA) ObamaCare was crippled at birth. The enormous damage that was wrought did not become evident for 3 1/2 years. His one vote was strategical more valuable than all of the dead end “repeal” votes since.
The shutdown would have been worth something if it had been used for minor spending cuts or even forcing a 2014 budget under normal rules and debate. That would have been a small victory rather than the painful (and 100% inevitable) failure of another “repeal” vote that did nothing but slightly mitigate the impact of the ObamaCare fiasco.

deadman on December 12, 2013 at 11:27 AM

With “friends” like you, who needs enemies?

Bitter Clinger on December 12, 2013 at 11:23 AM

One could easily turn that around and say the same of your faction.
All this barking about how all of you were going to punish the GOP for not sticking with Ted Cruz on his suicide charge into the shutdown is nothing more than whimpers from toothless dogs. Thy already know you hate them, so why they listen to you regardless? You have done used your credibility up with the shutdown.

eva3071 on December 12, 2013 at 11:28 AM

Shot:

You’ve been doing a piss-poor job of it, though. I don’t think these guys will care about armchair generals swearing ten kinds of wrath upon them, after your faction humiliated itself in the shutdown.

eva3071 on December 12, 2013 at 11:20 AM

Chaser:

Because a crappy Romney campaign combined with “let it burn” purists not voting let the 2012 election slip away.

deadman on December 12, 2013 at 11:15 AM

We vote, you have a chance. We don’t vote, you lose.

Your only hope without conservatives is to out-welfare the Obama Party, and if you do that, you’ll make your hypocrisy even more outright and blatant.

We have nothing to lose. Whether we vote for you or not, we get Obama Party policies, so we might as well not vote for you and get the result of having your rears kicked out on the street.

Maybe a few years in the private sector will shock you back into sanity. Or, more likely, it removes the deadwood that is currently blocking putting real conservatives who actually oppose Obama socialism into power.

northdallasthirty on December 12, 2013 at 11:28 AM

You’ve been doing a piss-poor job of it, though.
eva3071 on December 12, 2013 at 11:20 AM

Well you’re just not paying attention. Obama has mobilized almost every federal agency to spook and harass us. The GOP Establishment can’t stop directing fire at us. You’re all hot and bothered yourself. The obsession with the Tea Party is proof positive of our threat and efficacy. Fighting any establishment is a brutal challenge. We understand. We will break you.

rrpjr on December 12, 2013 at 11:28 AM

At the cost of misery for millions of fellow citizens – Yay Patriotism!

deadman on December 12, 2013 at 11:27 AM

I repeat myself — this time with a LMFAO.

Millions of people have had their taxes hiked.

Millions of people have lost their health insurance outright.

Millions of people have seen massive hikes in their premiums.

Millions of people have been tossed out of their jobs and fallen out of the workforce for good.

The annual deficit has exceeded and will continue to exceed a trillion dollars for the near future.

Millions of US citizens are being crushed under taxes and regulations while illegal immigrants get free everything, pay no taxes, and commit crime after crime with impunity.

This is what giving you power has gotten us. This is what caving has produced. This is what believing your constant chanting of “not expedient, pragmatic, cost us votes” has done.

What difference would voting for Democrats have produced?

You and your fellow RINOs have already caved and surrendered the country into misery for millions of people.

Do you just not fundamentally get that, or are you so pathetically insulated from reality in your government-staffer bubble that you seriously believe things aren’t bad?

northdallasthirty on December 12, 2013 at 11:30 AM

We will break you. And because parasites like you enabled the Obama Party, the odds are good that the country will break that much more quickly.

But a quick break is infinitely preferable to sentencing future generations to a slow death.

northdallasthirty on December 12, 2013 at 11:12 AM

Why should your enemies fear you? I’m sorry, yall, but a lot of the FIGHTFIGHTFIGHTFIGHT set seem to have the tactical sense of a box of Cornflakes. You don’t know who your friends are, you don’t seem to want friends, you fall for simple and obvious psy-ops like Augustus Gluck in a candy-baited trap, and mistake tactical ineducability for political genuineness. Thumos is not an adequate substitute for a plan to reach ones goals.

So how do you plan to “break” the Republicans, and follow it up by ultimate triumph against Progressivism? How do you control as many of the factors in your upcoming battles as much as possible? We can’t keep fighting for symbolic goals at the expense of chances at real triumphs. Doolittle only needed one raid.

Sekhmet on December 12, 2013 at 11:32 AM

The last budget passed by a Republican House, Republican Senate, and Republican President was passed in 2006 for Fiscal Year 2007.

FY 2007 Outlays were $2,728,686 Million (a.k.a. $2,729 Billion or $2.73 Trillion)
Data Source: http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2014/assets/hist01z1.xls

FY 2013 Revenue: $2.77 Trillion
Data Source: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-30/budget-deficit-in-u-s-narrows-to-5-year-low-on-record-revenue.html

So let’s compare:
FY 2007 Outlays: $2.73 Trillion
FY 2013 Revenue: $2.77 Trillion

If the 2013 Democrat-majority outlays had been limited to the last Republican-majority outlays, we would have had a $40 Billion SURPLUS in FY 2013!

We don’t have a revenue problem, we have a SPENDING problem.

Paul Ryan should START with the FY 2007 budget spending amounts and negotiate from there.

Paul Ryan should remind the public that the Pelosi and the rest of the Democrats in 2006 put in writing their promises of “fiscal discipline” and “‘Pay As You Go’ budgeting – no more deficit spending“.

The current budget could spend $40 Billion more than FY 2007 and still have a balanced budget!

There is enough evidence to show that Democrats in 2006 ran and won on promises to end deficit spending. It is only a lack of Republican backbone that has let Democrat majorities over the last four years get away with adding new debt at a rate more than FOUR TIMES that of their Repulbican majority predecessors.

Average new debt per year:
FY 96-07 Republican majority: $336 Billion /year
FY 08-13 Democrat majority: $1,345 Billion /year ($1.35 TRILLION /year!)

ITguy on December 12, 2013 at 11:33 AM

Nancy Pelosi, 2006:

Over the past decade, the Republican controlled Congress took our nation in the wrong direction. Too many Americans are paying a heavy price for those wrong choices: record costs for energy, health care and education; jobs shipped overseas; and budgets that heap record debt on our children. For millions, the middle-class dream has been replaced by a middle-class squeeze…

Democrats are proposing a New Direction for America…

With integrity, civility and fiscal discipline, our New Direction for America will use commonsense principles to address the aspirations and fulfill the hopes and dreams of all Americans. That is our promise to the American people….

Our federal budget should be a statement of our national values. One of those values is responsibility. Democrats are committed to ending years of irresponsible budget policies that have produced historic deficits. Instead of piling trillions of dollars of debt onto our children and grandchildren, we will restore “Pay As You Go” budget discipline.

Budget discipline has been abandoned by the Bush Administration and its Republican congressional majorities. Congress under Republican control has turned a projected $5.6 trillion 10-year surplus at the end of the Clinton years into a nearly $3 trillion deficit– including the four worst deficits in the history of America. The nation’s debt ceiling has been raised four times in just five years to more than $8.9 trillion. Nearly half of our nation’s record debt is owned by foreign countries including China and Japan. Without a return to fiscal discipline, the foreign countries that make our computers, our clothing and our toys will soon be making our foreign policy. Deficit spending is not just a fiscal problem – it’s a national security issue as well.

Our New Direction is committed to “Pay As You Go” budgeting – no more deficit spending.

Nancy Pelosi, 2007:

After years of historic deficits, this 110th Congress will commit itself to a higher standard: pay-as-you-go, no new deficit spending. Our new America will provide unlimited opportunity for future generations, not burden them with mountains of debt.

- New Speaker Nancy Pelosi, 01/04/2007

The FY 2007 budget that Speaker Pelosi inherited, which had been passed in 2006 by a Republican House, Republican Senate, and President Bush, featured:

Receipts: $2.568 Trillion
Outlays: $2.729 Trillion
Deficit: Less than $161 Billion

Data Source: FY 2007 budget numbers shown on the White House’s own Office of Management and Budget web site

Under Speaker Pelosi, outlays and deficits skyrocketed. Now, after six straight fiscal years of Democrats having majority control of budgeting and spending (holding 2+ out of 3 of the House, Senate, and Presidency since Jan 3, 2007), Democrats have created the SIX LARGEST DEFICITS in the history of this country!

I say that we would be just fine to return to FY 2007 spending levels… $2.729 Trillion

So, how much could we cut?

2013 Estimated Outlays $3.803 Trillion
- 2007 Outlays $2.729 Trillion
= $1.074 Trillion

That is how much needs to be cut from this budget… $1.074 Trillion ($1,074 Billion) THIS year, NOT $23 Billion over 10 years!

ITguy on December 12, 2013 at 11:34 AM

How do three seats break a 56-seat majority?

Read closely – I said et.al. (and others)

Oh, that’s right. The fact that the RNC also threw them under the bus instead of punching back at Tax Cheat McCaskill, Communist Coons, and Liar Reid didn’t hurt at all.

RNC did go after McCaskill and Coons. The problem was the R candidates were so bad, it was a fight just to get back to zero. Mike Castle was about as conservative as Delware will ever get no matter what the advertising budget. The only way Akins was going to win is if Tax Cheat McCaskill followed her husband into the grave. People cared more about Akins poor judgement than McCaskills pedestrian financial doings.

deadman on December 12, 2013 at 11:35 AM

northdallasthirty on December 12, 2013 at 11:28 AM

You most certainly overestimate your actual electoral significance.
I find the armchair warriors here in Hot Air to be to the fringe right of most Republicans, and living in a bubble of their own. 2008, and 2012 proved that.

eva3071 on December 12, 2013 at 11:36 AM

It is only a lack of Republican backbone that has let Democrat majorities over the last four six+ years get away with adding new debt at a rate more than FOUR TIMES that of their Repulbican majority predecessors.

ITguy on December 12, 2013 at 11:37 AM

One could easily turn that around and say the same of your faction.

The Republicans had PLENTY of opportunity to cooperate in the years leading up to the formation of the Tea Party. There were rumblings of what was going on as early as 2006. Even as late as 2010, most Tea Partiers believed the Republicans were just stupid and needed a little prodding via primaries, as opposed to actively malicious and hostile.

At every step, the Republicans have had opportunities to build bridges with the Tea Party and start trying to get their policies passed. Instead you’ve run into the arms of the Democrats.

All this barking about how all of you were going to punish the GOP for not sticking with Ted Cruz on his suicide charge into the shutdown is nothing more than whimpers from toothless dogs. Thy already know you hate them, so why they listen to you regardless? You have done used your credibility up with the shutdown.

eva3071 on December 12, 2013 at 11:28 AM

And the mask totally slips off here. You have zero interest in policy, you just want to protect your “team.”

Doomberg on December 12, 2013 at 11:38 AM

Why should your enemies fear you? I’m sorry, yall, but a lot of the FIGHTFIGHTFIGHTFIGHT set seem to have the tactical sense of a box of Cornflakes. You don’t know who your friends are, you don’t seem to want friends, you fall for simple and obvious psy-ops like Augustus Gluck in a candy-baited trap, and mistake tactical ineducability for political genuineness. Thumos is not an adequate substitute for a plan to reach ones goals.

LOL.

Is that why you, Boehner, and Ryan are screaming and pissing yourself trying to destroy us?

And we have a simple short-term goal.

What we have noticed from you, Sekhmet, is that nothing you put in place is any different than Obama Party policies. Indeed, you actively attack and attempt to destroy opposition to Obama Party policies.

As Romney showed, conservatives stay home, RINOs and moderates lose.

You represent the first obstacle to be removed. And thus we shall. We stay home or vote third-party, you are removed from power.

And that leads us to this:

So how do you plan to “break” the Republicans, and follow it up by ultimate triumph against Progressivism? How do you control as many of the factors in your upcoming battles as much as possible? We can’t keep fighting for symbolic goals at the expense of chances at real triumphs. Doolittle only needed one raid.

Sekhmet on December 12, 2013 at 11:32 AM

Have you been watching the past three months?

When your opponents are stupid, incompetent, and inept, they take care of the problem themselves.

Obamacare has single-handedly demonstrated the stupidity of Obama, the incompetence of big government, and the ineptness of the media to report on things.

Once those of you who are desperate to “fix” big government are out of the way, the message will become clear: depend on yourself, not on government.

northdallasthirty on December 12, 2013 at 11:40 AM

An ideologically pure party with no hope of majority is pointless masturbation. Nothing will change, deficits will climb, jobs will disappear and America will decline. No hope of power is no hope of change. It will take many election cycles to build a new party.

deadman on December 12, 2013 at 11:03 AM

And had we started 20+ years ago – rather than roll over and let the GOP f*ck us up the backside, as you are suggesting we continue doing – then we’d be in better shape today, perhaps.

A GOP as it is minded today in majority and in power is still pointless masturbation. Nothing will change, deficits will climb, jobs will disappear and America will decline. GOP in power as it is minded today is no hope of change. It will take many election cycles to build a new party.

Then let it begin. Let it begin today, rather than listen to you encouraging everyone for the next few decades to take it up the a$$ again for the team, just one more time! No, I mean just one more time after that – or maybe another time or two, and *THEN* we’ll be ready! Or maybe not, but someday, just keep taking it, guys!

F*ck that. No more.

Midas on December 12, 2013 at 11:40 AM

You most certainly overestimate your actual electoral significance.
I find the armchair warriors here in Hot Air to be to the fringe right of most Republicans, and living in a bubble of their own. 2008, and 2012 proved that.

eva3071 on December 12, 2013 at 11:36 AM

And yet:

Because a crappy Romney campaign combined with “let it burn” purists not voting let the 2012 election slip away.

deadman on December 12, 2013 at 11:15 AM

Our not voting meant you lost.

So yes, we CAN destroy you. And it’s time we did.

northdallasthirty on December 12, 2013 at 11:41 AM

Well you’re just not paying attention. Obama has mobilized almost every federal agency to spook and harass us. The GOP Establishment can’t stop directing fire at us. You’re all hot and bothered yourself. The obsession with the Tea Party is proof positive of our threat and efficacy. Fighting any establishment is a brutal challenge. We understand. We will break you.

rrpjr on December 12, 2013 at 11:28 AM

Ah, the old trope of “if they fight you, they fear you.” Ever stop to think about that it could be because your faction makes it easy to beat up on? Fighting toothless dogs like you makes a good substitute while waiting for the opportune time. Your faction pretty much exists as court jesters for us.

eva3071 on December 12, 2013 at 11:42 AM

It is only a lack of Republican backbone that has let Democrat majorities over the last four six+ years get away with adding new debt at a rate more than FOUR TIMES that of their Repulbican majority predecessors.

ITguy on December 12, 2013 at 11:37 AM

Exactly. The real story isn’t Obama. Obama is a cookie-cutter leftist who could and should have been seen coming a hundred miles away. The real story is RINO stupidity and complicity and weakness.

rrpjr on December 12, 2013 at 11:42 AM

I’d like to point out, deadman, that we *had* what you’re describing 10-ish years ago; a party in majority, with House/Senate/WH belonging to *us*. What happened? Deficits climbed, jobs disappeared, and America declined. Did government shrink, or grow? Did entitlement spending shrink, or grow? Did business-strangling regulation shrink, or grow?

And you want that same party, in the same position again? With this current crop of leadership at the helm? Seriously?

Midas on December 12, 2013 at 11:43 AM

RNC did go after McCaskill and Coons. The problem was the R candidates were so bad, it was a fight just to get back to zero. Mike Castle was about as conservative as Delware will ever get no matter what the advertising budget. The only way Akins was going to win is if Tax Cheat McCaskill followed her husband into the grave. People cared more about Akins poor judgement than McCaskills pedestrian financial doings.

deadman on December 12, 2013 at 11:35 AM

Really?

Show me the ads calling McCaskill a tax cheat and a liar who billed the taxpayers for trips on her private plane.

Show me the ads pointing out Coons’s shady business dealings and lavish praise of communism.

I’ll save you the effort: they don’t exist.

Instead, you cowered and did exactly what the Obama Party told you.

We don’t vote, you lose. And, as we’ve realized, we get the same misery, the same punishment by government, and the same namecalling and hate whether we vote for you or not.

Get off the teat, pig. There’s no difference between you and the Obama Party. You have never, NEVER stood up for anything conservative; instead, like your pathetic idiot Paul Ryan is showing, you put out “deals” that make it easier to punish us with more taxes.

northdallasthirty on December 12, 2013 at 11:45 AM

And the mask totally slips off here. You have zero interest in policy, you just want to protect your “team.”

Doomberg on December 12, 2013 at 11:38 AM

Interesting considering the tribalistic nature of your political faction.

eva3071 on December 12, 2013 at 11:45 AM

With the help of RINOs such as Scott Brown (former R-MA) ObamaCare was crippled at birth. The enormous damage that was wrought did not become evident for 3 1/2 years. His one vote was strategical more valuable than all of the dead end “repeal” votes since.
The shutdown would have been worth something if it had been used for minor spending cuts or even forcing a 2014 budget under normal rules and debate. That would have been a small victory rather than the painful (and 100% inevitable) failure of another “repeal” vote that did nothing but slightly mitigate the impact of the ObamaCare fiasco.

deadman on December 12, 2013 at 11:27 AM

Holy crap.

Dude, with the help of RINO’s it was passed in the first f*cking place.

Are you completely deranged?

Midas on December 12, 2013 at 11:46 AM

Ah, the old trope of “if they fight you, they fear you.” Ever stop to think about that it could be because your faction makes it easy to beat up on? Fighting toothless dogs like you makes a good substitute while waiting for the opportune time. Your faction pretty much exists as court jesters for us.

eva3071 on December 12, 2013 at 11:42 AM

Which is why we torpedoed your Mitt Romney. :)

Funny how your blathering before was that Mitt Romney didn’t need conservatives and had crossover appeal.

Looks like your lie blew up in your face again on that one.

northdallasthirty on December 12, 2013 at 11:46 AM

You have done used your credibility up with the shutdown.

eva3071 on December 12, 2013 at 11:28 AM

You just have to be a bitter federal employee considering your vitriol about a little government shutdown that has done little harm to the GOP.

Bitter Clinger on December 12, 2013 at 11:48 AM

Our not voting meant you lost.

So yes, we CAN destroy you. And it’s time we did.

northdallasthirty on December 12, 2013 at 11:41 AM

The problem with the Romney campaign wasn’t they lost your vote, your ideological faction is a fringe faction of the GOP. They lost the vote that could have propelled them to victory when Romney dismissed 47% of the electorate in an idiotic statement, which turned of the middle class he needed to win.

Besides, considering the abject failure in defeating the establishment, I highly doubt your faction could defeat anything.

eva3071 on December 12, 2013 at 11:49 AM

Doolittle only needed one raid.

Sekhmet on December 12, 2013 at 11:32 AM

Yes, but he actually *made* the raid, even when the results weren’t going to be practically damaging to the Japanese.

Got that? He didn’t lament that there’s no point fighting because the tangible gains would be negligible and not worth the risk or potential damages to his own side.

Got it yet? Connecting the dots yet?

Still want to use Doolittle as an analogy to the current/recent GOP ‘dont fight at any cost, wait for a better opportunity that never seems to arise’ clusterf*ck?

Midas on December 12, 2013 at 11:51 AM

Which is why we torpedoed your Mitt Romney. :)

Funny how your blathering before was that Mitt Romney didn’t need conservatives and had crossover appeal.

Looks like your lie blew up in your face again on that one.

northdallasthirty on December 12, 2013 at 11:46 AM

Wrong, I was a Perry guy. Besides, I opposed Romney to the very end.

eva3071 on December 12, 2013 at 11:52 AM

You just have to be a bitter federal employee considering your vitriol about a little government shutdown that has done little harm to the GOP.

Bitter Clinger on December 12, 2013 at 11:48 AM

Actually, you know what? Go ahead, fight a civil war with us. Considering your actual track record a winning defeating you and purging your faction from the party will be a cinch. And purges are all the rage nowadays.

eva3071 on December 12, 2013 at 11:54 AM

You most certainly overestimate your actual electoral significance.
I find the armchair warriors here in Hot Air to be to the fringe right of most Republicans, and living in a bubble of their own. 2008, and 2012 proved that.

eva3071 on December 12, 2013 at 11:36 AM

And yet many folks consider Romney’s loss – and McCain’s – to be due to too many conservatives staying home.

Maybe you underestimate conservative’s actual electoral significance.

Maybe 2008 and 2012 proved *that*.

Midas on December 12, 2013 at 11:55 AM

Fighting toothless dogs like you makes a good substitute while waiting for the opportune time. Your faction pretty much exists as court jesters for us.

eva3071 on December 12, 2013 at 11:42 AM

“Waiting for the opportune time”? Hilarious. You don’t recognize the actual trope?

You cite 2008 and 2012. How did your “toothless dogs and court jesters” do against a real leftist, in the clutch, when the future of our country was at stake? Those were the candidates you swore had the only chance of winning. Remember?

Or were you “waiting for the opportune time.” Which was it?

What fight have you EVER won against the left, opportune time or not?

You’re a joke. The reason we maintain the imperative of the fight is because it has yet to be joined. “Fighting the fight” is both an evocation of America’s will in the face of authoritarianism and an invocation to future will — to an actual fight AGAINST Progressivism and FOR this country.

But you wouldn’t know anything about that, would you.

rrpjr on December 12, 2013 at 11:55 AM

We’re at an unusual point in the long term political arms race right now, and we haven’t been at such a juncture for so long that bruised conservatives might not even recognize it anymore. On the electoral front, we’re looking at anywhere from six to as many as nine seats in the Senate which should definitely be not just in play, but winnable. (I won’t burn up the post with all those details yet again, but you get to nine if you include Franken.) There’s no significant danger of losing the House. On the general policy front, Obamacare is sinking the Democrats and for the first time in a very long while, the public is thinking that perhaps they were a bit too hasty and maybe the GOP should take control of things again.

The media hates talking about any of this, proving extremely effective in masking the message to the middle land voters of the nation. Even as Democrats like Mary Landrieu and Mark Pryor are sinking in the polls, most of the talking heads will only focus on Steve Stockman throwing down the gauntlet in front of Cornyn. A GOP domestic violence story is always good for months of coverage if it lets them avoid talking about a Democrat in trouble. And when it comes to policy, the only reason they finally started talking about Obamacare is because there was nothing else left on the plate and everyone was up in arms. Given even a whiff of the buffet of another shutdown, you won’t hear a word about Obamacare anywhere outside of FOX for months on end.

All of which boils down to “We’ve got to do something now!” Which is usually followed with the unvoiced “… no matter what.”

But there are a number of situations where doing nothing is better than just “doing something” so you can say you acted. You should never agree to anything unless it’s a better alternative than doing nothing.

Unfortunately, John Boehner is a “Let’s make a deal” type, and Paul Ryan is still, at heart, a Congressional staffer doing what he’s told.

There Goes the Neighborhood on December 12, 2013 at 11:56 AM

Holy crap.

Dude, with the help of RINO’s it was passed in the first f*cking place.

Are you completely deranged?

ObamaCare passed without any Republican votes, RINO or no.

deadman on December 12, 2013 at 11:56 AM

Why should your enemies fear you? I’m sorry, yall, but a lot of the FIGHTFIGHTFIGHTFIGHT set seem to have the tactical sense of a box of Cornflakes.

The SURRENDERSUBMITOBEY people have been in charge for two decades and have miserably failed to accomplish any basic conservative policy goals. I wouldn’t lecture Tea Partiers about “tactics” when the only “tactic” you seem to be capable of is “pass all of Obama’s initiatives.”

You don’t know who your friends are, you don’t seem to want friends, you fall for simple and obvious psy-ops like Augustus Gluck in a candy-baited trap, and mistake tactical ineducability for political genuineness.

You are not our friends. You have zero interest in getting conservatives elected or passing conservative priorities. Indeed, you’re supporting the opposite – right now, you’re supporting tax increases and making it easier for the Democrats to levy additional taxes on us.

Doomberg on December 12, 2013 at 11:58 AM

FIGHTFIGHTFIGHTFIGHT set seem to have the tactical sense of a box of Cornflakes.

A box of cornflakes beats a white flag.

rrpjr on December 12, 2013 at 11:59 AM

Actually, you know what? Go ahead, fight a civil war with us. Considering your actual track record a winning defeating you and purging your faction from the party will be a cinch. And purges are all the rage nowadays.

eva3071 on December 12, 2013 at 11:54 AM

Now I got it. Your Paul Ryan’s wife. That has to be it.

Bitter Clinger on December 12, 2013 at 12:00 PM

This may be the time to take an admittedly disappointing and crappy deal today, but bank the good will that comes from it for next November.

Good will may be something you can bank in a business. Maybe even in politics at the state and/or local level.

But this is the federal government, and progressives in the federal government give no one credit for “good will.” Frankly, you’d have to be a fool to think otherwise.

The deal either stands on its own, or it doesn’t. There is no “I’ll owe you one” in national politics.

There Goes the Neighborhood on December 12, 2013 at 12:00 PM

You most certainly overestimate your actual electoral significance.
I find the armchair warriors here in Hot Air to be to the fringe right of most Republicans, and living in a bubble of their own. 2008, and 2012 proved that.

eva3071 on December 12, 2013 at 11:36 AM

And first President McCain and then President Romney prove the electoral success of nominating your kind of Republican.

Bitter Clinger on December 12, 2013 at 12:02 PM

They’re pushing our members to places they don’t want to be!
…John Boehner

Hey, Boehner…

That’s the Problem!

I have an Idea, why don’t you all run as Democrats so Republicans can vote for people who DO want to be there!

jaydee_007 on December 12, 2013 at 12:04 PM

You most certainly overestimate your actual electoral significance.
I find the armchair warriors here in Hot Air to be to the fringe right of most Republicans, and living in a bubble of their own. 2008, and 2012 proved that.

eva3071 on December 12, 2013 at 11:36 AM

And first President McCain and then President Romney prove the electoral success of nominating your kind of Republican.

Bitter Clinger on December 12, 2013 at 12:02 PM

+1 B.C.

jaydee_007 on December 12, 2013 at 12:05 PM

Actually, you know what? Go ahead, fight a civil war with us. Considering your actual track record a winning defeating you and purging your faction from the party will be a cinch. And purges are all the rage nowadays.

eva3071 on December 12, 2013 at 11:54 AM

I’ve already done my part and changed my affiliation to “I.” The only thing Tea Partiers really need to do is walk away, withhold votes and money, and convince others to do so to ensure your faction keeps losing elections. Giving your faction’s performance in 2008 and 2012, that shouldn’t be too tough.

Don’t worry though, once Boehner passes amnesty I’m sure all those illegals will stampede to the polls to vote for you guys.

Doomberg on December 12, 2013 at 12:05 PM

northdallasthirty on December 12, 2013 at 11:40 AM

Are you sure it is the Republicans trying to destroy you? Based on what? Anonymous leaks from unknown individuals, who we cannot verify weren’t making stuff up whole cloth? Psy-ops. You’d believe John Boehner eats aborted fetuses for breakfast, before flying on a broom to his office, if an anonymous source leaked such to the right blog.

Sekhmet on December 12, 2013 at 12:07 PM

ObamaCare passed without any Republican votes, RINO or no.

deadman on December 12, 2013 at 11:56 AM

Correction: One RINO did facilitate the passage of Obamacare.

His name was Arlin Spectre!

You remember, the guy that the Establishment swooped in to rescue when the Soon-to-be Tea Party was threatening to replace him with Toomey in the Primary!

Yeah, that guy.

jaydee_007 on December 12, 2013 at 12:08 PM

The problem with the Romney campaign wasn’t they lost your vote, your ideological faction is a fringe faction of the GOP. They lost the vote that could have propelled them to victory when Romney dismissed 47% of the electorate in an idiotic statement, which turned of the middle class he needed to win.

eva3071 on December 12, 2013 at 11:49 AM

So you admit that moderate Republicans like Romney and Paul Ryan are stupid and ignorant fools who can’t appeal to or win elections.

LMAO.

northdallasthirty on December 12, 2013 at 12:08 PM

Are you sure it is the Republicans trying to destroy you? Based on what? Anonymous leaks from unknown individuals, who we cannot verify weren’t making stuff up whole cloth? Psy-ops. You’d believe John Boehner eats aborted fetuses for breakfast, before flying on a broom to his office, if an anonymous source leaked such to the right blog.

Sekhmet on December 12, 2013 at 12:07 PM

Oh, I wouldn’t call this anonymous.

Nor this.

northdallasthirty on December 12, 2013 at 12:12 PM

eva3071 on December 12, 2013 at 11:49 AM

You are one stupid chick. The last two days provided much evidence.

On the thread topic, note to Boehner: without the TEA party, after 2010, you’d be Pelosi’s paper-carrier, you harlot of a man.

Schadenfreude on December 12, 2013 at 12:13 PM

Boehner and Cantor, who’s married to a flaming life-long leftist, want to bring up amnesty, after all the primary bodies are in place.

That’s all you need to know about their charlatanry.

Schadenfreude on December 12, 2013 at 12:16 PM

Are you sure it is the Republicans trying to destroy you? Based on what? Anonymous leaks from unknown individuals, who we cannot verify weren’t making stuff up whole cloth? Psy-ops. You’d believe John Boehner eats aborted fetuses for breakfast, before flying on a broom to his office, if an anonymous source leaked such to the right blog.

Sekhmet on December 12, 2013 at 12:07 PM

And this is most emphatically non-anonymous.

So let’s see, that’s not one, not two, but three examples of Republican Party leadership actively trying to destroy the Tea Party and eliminate conservatives, all in major media sources, all directly quoted.

Notice how none of them are attacking Democrats or Obama. Not one. Only Tea Partiers and conservatives.

northdallasthirty on December 12, 2013 at 12:16 PM

So you admit that moderate Republicans like Romney and Paul Ryan are stupid and ignorant fools who can’t appeal to or win elections.

LMAO.

northdallasthirty on December 12, 2013 at 12:08 PM

Don’t call them moderates. Any argument as to whether Ryan was moderate or liberal should be dead after today. He’s basically in Christie territory now.

Doomberg on December 12, 2013 at 12:17 PM

ndt, here’s number 4.

Always cool to read your comments. You take NO hostages :)

Schadenfreude on December 12, 2013 at 12:18 PM

northdallasthirty on December 12, 2013 at 12:12 PM

“Mainstreet” seems to have gotten an infusion of cash from the unions and others with a vested interest in ramping up GOP infighting. Liberals corrupting Republicans as a “conservative” front for their agenda is not unknown. More psy-ops.

McCain is only taken seriously because of his seniority. But he’s really like Grandpa going senile.

Sekhmet on December 12, 2013 at 12:18 PM

When Murray, obama and Reid are happy, you, if you have a functioning brain, should know that the Rs were taken to the cleaners, and how!

Schadenfreude on December 12, 2013 at 12:19 PM

And this is most emphatically non-anonymous.

So let’s see, that’s not one, not two, but three examples of Republican Party leadership actively trying to destroy the Tea Party and eliminate conservatives, all in major media sources, all directly quoted.

Notice how none of them are attacking Democrats or Obama. Not one. Only Tea Partiers and conservatives.

northdallasthirty on December 12, 2013 at 12:16 PM

That is coming from the large business donors, who want amnesty, assured the amnestees will be exempted from things like 0bamacare. They have been making a lot of threats, and Boehner can neither afford to tell them to fook off, nor actually pass amnesty. I think the window on amnesty is about closed. I don’t see amnesty passing during an election year. But until it closes, Boehner has been having to keep up the appearance of being a busy little beaver trying to pass it until, shucky-darn, it’s too late. Interests more than aware of this want conservatives to keep up the pressure, so every week or so, there’s a story on how Amnesty Will Pass Real Soon Now (TM).

Sekhmet on December 12, 2013 at 12:25 PM

Our not voting meant you lost.

So yes, we CAN destroy you. And it’s time we did.

northdallasthirty on December 12, 2013 at 11:41 AM

The problem with the Romney campaign wasn’t they lost your vote, your ideological faction is a fringe faction of the GOP. They lost the vote that could have propelled them to victory when Romney dismissed 47% of the electorate in an idiotic statement, which turned of the middle class he needed to win.

Besides, considering the abject failure in defeating the establishment, I highly doubt your faction could defeat anything.

eva3071 on December 12, 2013 at 11:49 AM

– There’s nothing wrong with communism. It just wasn’t tried by the right people.

– RINOs win elections. We just need to run the right RINO.

Anyone see a similarity?

The problem isn’t just the candidate. Granted, neither of them were worth much, but they were the best RINOs available.

The problem is your strategy. You can always blame everything on something stupid the candidate said or did, but the other side has candidates also doing or saying something stupid. In 2008, Obama was caught talking about people who “bitterly cling to their guns and religion and antipathy to people who aren’t like them [IOW, bigotry].” And he was caught talking about how redistributing wealth is better for everybody. And he was found to be friends with Bill Ayers, a domestic terrorist. And it turned out that his pastor had said, “God damn America” in a sermon from the pulpit.

Any one of those was stupider than Akin’s comment about the likelihood of a rape victim getting pregnant.

But the only person who nailed him on his association with Bill Ayers was Sarah Palin, and McCain’s media staff did their best to shut her down.

The problem is your whole theory that the public is just waiting to vote for a moderate is false, and has been proven false on multiple occasions.

Well, that plus the way that RINOs would rather join with Democrats to attack actual conservatives than actually win elections.

There Goes the Neighborhood on December 12, 2013 at 12:27 PM

“Mainstreet” seems to have gotten an infusion of cash from the unions and others with a vested interest in ramping up GOP infighting. Liberals corrupting Republicans as a “conservative” front for their agenda is not unknown. More psy-ops.

McCain is only taken seriously because of his seniority. But he’s really like Grandpa going senile.

Sekhmet on December 12, 2013 at 12:18 PM

LOL.

Shorter: “The liberals made me attack the Tea Party and conservatives!”

No, Sekhmet; what we’ve figured out is that you simply won’t take responsibility for anything, nor will you stand up and actually fight for conservative goals and principles.

Instead, you and your McCain and your Chamber of Commerce and your LaTourette turn around and attack the Tea Party and conservatives, call them names, call them racists, etc.

You give us no reason to vote for you. Indeed, as your fellow moderate eva has shown us today, you don’t want us and in fact want to purge us.

So we intend to accomodate you. Enough of us stayed home to torpedo Romney. If we all stay home this time, you and every single one of the “Republicans” like Boehner and Ryan that employ you will be out of office.

And it won’t make a bit of difference, because all you do is cave to and give the Obama Party everything it wants anyway.

northdallasthirty on December 12, 2013 at 12:28 PM

Are you sure it is the Republicans trying to destroy you? Based on what? Anonymous leaks from unknown individuals, who we cannot verify weren’t making stuff up whole cloth? Psy-ops. You’d believe John Boehner eats aborted fetuses for breakfast, before flying on a broom to his office, if an anonymous source leaked such to the right blog.

Sekhmet on December 12, 2013 at 12:07 PM

You’re one comically stupid piece of shit, man. If I thought you had the reading comprehension God gave to a kumquat, I’d post some links to Rove, McConnell, the RSC, and more – OVERTLY declaring war on conservatives, the Tea Party, Senate Conservatives Fund, donors who support them, businesses who work with them, and more.

F*ck you, simpleton.

Midas on December 12, 2013 at 12:29 PM

That is coming from the large business donors, who want amnesty, assured the amnestees will be exempted from things like 0bamacare. They have been making a lot of threats, and Boehner can neither afford to tell them to fook off, nor actually pass amnesty. I think the window on amnesty is about closed. I don’t see amnesty passing during an election year. But until it closes, Boehner has been having to keep up the appearance of being a busy little beaver trying to pass it until, shucky-darn, it’s too late. Interests more than aware of this want conservatives to keep up the pressure, so every week or so, there’s a story on how Amnesty Will Pass Real Soon Now (TM).

Sekhmet on December 12, 2013 at 12:25 PM

Oh, we see.

So Boehner cares more about his donors than he does the voters.

All the more reason to toss his worthless rear out the door then, too.

northdallasthirty on December 12, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Yes, but he actually *made* the raid, even when the results weren’t going to be practically damaging to the Japanese.

Got that? He didn’t lament that there’s no point fighting because the tangible gains would be negligible and not worth the risk or potential damages to his own side.

Got it yet? Connecting the dots yet?

Still want to use Doolittle as an analogy to the current/recent GOP ‘dont fight at any cost, wait for a better opportunity that never seems to arise’ clusterf*ck?

Midas on December 12, 2013 at 11:51 AM

What was the shutdown, if not a Doolittle raid? Do we just do the same thing every time a budget showdown comes, regardless of whether it actually accomplishes anything solid, just to keep the troops rallied?

Sekhmet on December 12, 2013 at 12:31 PM

northdallasthirty

You’re one of those delusional “New-Earth SOCONS”, aren’t you?

Bandit13 on December 12, 2013 at 12:35 PM

You’re one comically stupid piece of shit, man. If I thought you had the reading comprehension God gave to a kumquat, I’d post some links to Rove, McConnell, the RSC, and more – OVERTLY declaring war on conservatives, the Tea Party, Senate Conservatives Fund, donors who support them, businesses who work with them, and more.

F*ck you, simpleton.

Midas on December 12, 2013 at 12:29 PM

The “punch them in the nose” quote was an anonymous “leak.” Look, dude. I have no problem with putting folks like McConnell and Rove in the past where they belong. But if you can’t recognize when you are being manipulated, you will end up with not only yours, but everybody’s pants down and a sore bunghole. And let me add, when an incumbent Senator gets a primary challenger, even if the Senator in question is a big, fat RINO, “Gee, the Tea Party is mad at me, I better slink away now instead of fighting for my seat,” was said by nobody.

Sekhmet on December 12, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Oh, we see.

So Boehner cares more about his donors than he does the voters.

All the more reason to toss his worthless rear out the door then, too.

northdallasthirty on December 12, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Toss him out over something solid, not over rumors. Liberals want you so mad, and so hungry for spitting in 0bama’s eye, you’ll go for the first challenger who sets his hair on fire. Then you toss out someone who can provably win the district, and by the time the sex tape of the new guy with the goat comes out, you are emotionally invested, and convinced the RNC’s facepalm is evidence of conspiracy against you.

Sekhmet on December 12, 2013 at 12:41 PM

The “punch them in the nose” quote was an anonymous “leak.” Look, dude. I have no problem with putting folks like McConnell and Rove in the past where they belong. But if you can’t recognize when you are being manipulated, you will end up with not only yours, but everybody’s pants down and a sore bunghole.

Sekhmet on December 12, 2013 at 12:37 PM

LOL.

Trying Obama’s technique of “Other people are trying to manipulate you, but I’m not” only works when you are talking to idiots.

And we are not idiots. I provided you three links of Republican leadership making it clear that they are out to punish and destroy conservatives and the Tea Party.

They have never, repeat NEVER, even threatened anywhere near the same kind of thing toward the Obama Party.

The results are clear. Allowing you and your fellow moderates to run things means only misery for millions of people, because you support, endorse, and fully agree with the Barack Obama Party and its policy proscriptions.

There is no difference between you and the Obama Party. None. If there were, you would be attacking THEM and not the Tea Party.

northdallasthirty on December 12, 2013 at 12:44 PM

LOL.

Shorter: “The liberals made me attack the Tea Party and conservatives!”

No, Sekhmet; what we’ve figured out is that you simply won’t take responsibility for anything, nor will you stand up and actually fight for conservative goals and principles.

Instead, you and your McCain and your Chamber of Commerce and your LaTourette turn around and attack the Tea Party and conservatives, call them names, call them racists, etc.

You give us no reason to vote for you. Indeed, as your fellow moderate eva has shown us today, you don’t want us and in fact want to purge us.

So we intend to accomodate you. Enough of us stayed home to torpedo Romney. If we all stay home this time, you and every single one of the “Republicans” like Boehner and Ryan that employ you will be out of office.

And it won’t make a bit of difference, because all you do is cave to and give the Obama Party everything it wants anyway.

northdallasthirty on December 12, 2013 at 12:28 PM

I can *call* myself a footwashin’ Baptist, no matter which god I worship. It doesn’t mean I am one. LaTourette can call himself the Sultan of Siam if he wants to. But if he’s funding his campaigns through unions and amnestee-hungry businesses, he’s off the reservation. McCain ain’t been on the reservation for years.

Sekhmet on December 12, 2013 at 12:46 PM

If GOP leadership had the same hatred for Democrats as they did conservatives, the party would be in much better shape.

Why do we have to listen to leadership call us voters names, agree with liberals, pass their policies while trying to make them seem conservative…

And then have their foot soldiers come in here and tell us that if we would just be more like Democrats in every sense, then the GOP would be awesome?

Spliff Menendez on December 12, 2013 at 12:46 PM

Toss him out over something solid, not over rumors. Liberals want you so mad, and so hungry for spitting in 0bama’s eye, you’ll go for the first challenger who sets his hair on fire. Then you toss out someone who can provably win the district, and by the time the sex tape of the new guy with the goat comes out, you are emotionally invested, and convinced the RNC’s facepalm is evidence of conspiracy against you.

Sekhmet on December 12, 2013 at 12:41 PM

LOL.

Perhaps you didn’t realize something.

Millions of people have had their taxes hiked.

Millions of people have lost their health insurance outright.

Millions of people have seen massive hikes in their premiums.

Millions of people have been tossed out of their jobs and fallen out of the workforce for good.

The annual deficit has exceeded and will continue to exceed a trillion dollars for the near future.

Millions of US citizens are being crushed under taxes and regulations while illegal immigrants get free everything, pay no taxes, and commit crime after crime with impunity.

This is what giving you power has gotten us. This is what caving has produced. This is what believing your constant chanting of “not expedient, pragmatic, cost us votes” has done.

Voting for you produced nothing different than voting for Democrats.

And I think it particularly telling that you consider spitting in Obama’s eye a BAD thing. Indeed, you openly squeal and cry and whine how awful it is that someone would do such a thing and call criticizing Obama “setting your hair on fire”, when you are all about punching Tea Partiers and conservatives in the nose and calling them racists.

Meanwhile, we know that you and your fellow RNC halfwits like Huntsman openly lie to destroy people.

northdallasthirty on December 12, 2013 at 12:50 PM

northdallasthirty on December 12, 2013 at 12:44 PM

Then stay home, stick us with more Democrats, and wait for your underpants gnomes to bring victory over progressivism. I’m sure they are coming right up the street.

Or are you hoping for some revolution, once things get bad enough? Revolutions, with very few exceptions, get hijacked by the party with the greatest will to power, who are not necessarily motivated by the desire for human freedom.

Progressivism must be killed like you kill an idea. The god must fail before his votaries fall away. And he is failing. Humanity has an awful tendency to dig in when challenged. When is the last time anybody was ever grateful for being saved from themselves? People need to be disgusted, and they need to feel their disgust was their own idea, not from our constant pounding on the foolishness of voting Democrat.

Sekhmet on December 12, 2013 at 12:57 PM

What was the shutdown, if not a Doolittle raid?

Sekhmet on December 12, 2013 at 12:31 PM

The shutdown would be more akin to Doolittle’s planes taking off, and finding FDR had sent USAF fighters along behind them (see McCain, McConnell, et al) – not to *help* them, mind you, but rather to *destroy* them, lest they upset the Japanese, or something.

Midas on December 12, 2013 at 1:01 PM

I can *call* myself a footwashin’ Baptist, no matter which god I worship. It doesn’t mean I am one. LaTourette can call himself the Sultan of Siam if he wants to. But if he’s funding his campaigns through unions and amnestee-hungry businesses, he’s off the reservation. McCain ain’t been on the reservation for years.

Sekhmet on December 12, 2013 at 12:46 PM

And yet, we don’t see donors, Karl Rove, the RNC, and Republican policy wonks attacking any of them. Just the Tea Party and conservatives.

Uh huh.

northdallasthirty on December 12, 2013 at 1:01 PM

The shutdown would be more akin to Doolittle’s planes taking off, and finding FDR had sent USAF fighters along behind them (see McCain, McConnell, et al) – not to *help* them, mind you, but rather to *destroy* them, lest they upset the Japanese, or something.

Midas on December 12, 2013 at 1:01 PM

So how many times and for how long would shutdowns have to happen to be your Doolittle raid?

Sekhmet on December 12, 2013 at 1:08 PM

You’re one of those delusional “New-Earth SOCONS”, aren’t you?

Bandit13 on December 12, 2013 at 12:35 PM

You better be a first rate sarcmaster.

Schadenfreude on December 12, 2013 at 1:13 PM

You’d believe John Boehner eats aborted fetuses for breakfast, before flying on a broom to his office, if an anonymous source leaked such to the right blog.

Sekhmet

And if the story were confirmed, you’d then argue about being purists or something and say that winning is all that matters, lol.

xblade on December 12, 2013 at 1:27 PM

Anybody know of a CONSERVATIVE website? I’m stuck in a RINO nature preserve.

philw1776 on December 12, 2013 at 8:17 AM


We are in FAR WORSE shape than being stuck in RINOland …

We are witnessing the economic power of the GOPe Donor Class being deployed to acquire “conservative” outlets and refocus them into combined choir singing the praises of the GOPe and the GOPe Donor Class agenda (i.e. immigration ‘reform’, Obamacare [lots of MONEY to be made from Obamacare], and BIG government handing out the extra TRILLION dollars ITguy documented).

The other day they bought Twitchy, which consistently struck a more conservative tone than Hot Air or Townhall.

Last night, word leaked they are in discussions with Red State and a “conservative” media company.

And the Tea Party politicians, grassroots and message are going to witness the full power of this GOPe “DeathStar” when they discover they have been cut off from 99% of the means of getting their voices heard.

PolAgnostic on December 12, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Then stay home, stick us with more Democrats, and wait for your underpants gnomes to bring victory over progressivism. I’m sure they are coming right up the street.

All after your “cave, pander, pragmatic” strategy got us tax hikes, Obamacare, massive government regulation, and now this abortion of a budget deal.

Truly, what difference is there between you and the Obama Party?

Or are you hoping for some revolution, once things get bad enough? Revolutions, with very few exceptions, get hijacked by the party with the greatest will to power, who are not necessarily motivated by the desire for human freedom.

The American Revolution resulted in greater tyranny?

Progressivism must be killed like you kill an idea. The god must fail before his votaries fall away. And he is failing. Humanity has an awful tendency to dig in when challenged. When is the last time anybody was ever grateful for being saved from themselves? People need to be disgusted, and they need to feel their disgust was their own idea, not from our constant pounding on the foolishness of voting Democrat.

Sekhmet on December 12, 2013 at 12:57 PM

The Obama Party has done nothing but pound on the foolishness of voting Republican for decades, and what has it gotten them? Everything they wanted.

And all you and your pathetic ilk have done is pound on the foolishness of voting for the Tea Party or conservatives.

You are only rational if one understands every word out of your mouth is to justify your latching on to the Federal teat. You are protecting your government-punched meal ticket, and you and your fellow anti-conservative bigots like Ryan and Boehner will do anything to stay in power, no matter how much misery you visit on law-abiding tax paying citizens.

northdallasthirty on December 12, 2013 at 1:34 PM

Rush has it right – No one (Rs included) want the pie to shrink. No one wants their power to diminish(paraphrased from today).

They locked in Ocare funding for 2 years with this budget. Jazz, you thinks in 2 years they will fight to repeal Ocare? You think after 2 years of having no legislative or funding battles over Ocare(because of this budget), they are suddenly going to go into attack mode? Clear your head, man. What is the precedent you are thinking of?

Are you and the other moderates going to spearhead the attack on Ocare in 2 years.We all know the score. In 2 or 3 years and even with JBush as president it will be the same “retreat and regroup” argument as today. Nothing ever changes for the moderates. They never want to press the attack. Lenin wasn’t alone, The Rs also have useful idiots.

BoxHead1 on December 12, 2013 at 1:35 PM

So how many times and for how long would shutdowns have to happen to be your Doolittle raid?

Sekhmet on December 12, 2013 at 1:08 PM

LOL, Doolittle was *your* crappy analogy, not mine, champ. And now you want me to help explain why Doolittle would be a bad analogy for me to use? Are you serious? Are you really this stupid?

Midas on December 12, 2013 at 1:39 PM

Hey, Nancy Pelosi loves this massive GOP cave-in.

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/192949-pelosi-a-yes-on-budget-deal

To any thinking person, this is a HUGE RED FLAG.

Pork-Chop on December 12, 2013 at 1:43 PM

Damn I’m old. I can remember when our political structure was not the government against the people.

Meremortal on December 12, 2013 at 1:57 PM

And if the story were confirmed, you’d then argue about being purists or something and say that winning is all that matters, lol.

xblade on December 12, 2013 at 1:27 PM

At least I’d wait for confirmation.

Sekhmet on December 12, 2013 at 2:05 PM

LOL, Doolittle was *your* crappy analogy, not mine, champ. And now you want me to help explain why Doolittle would be a bad analogy for me to use? Are you serious? Are you really this stupid?

Midas on December 12, 2013 at 1:39 PM

The filibuster and shutdown did not result in ending 0bamacare, did not result in substantially more spending cuts, but it rallied the troops and proved to the public that there was resistance to 0bamacare. If we do this again, there should be a plan, an achievable goal, benchmarks in polling to see if it’s working, and a way out, should one be needed.

2012 has Democrats thinking message discipline can overcome an unpopular message. Reality won’t hit until after someone safe goes down like a five dollar…..in 2014. So plans counting on Democrat help from vulnerable Dems are unlikely to pan out.

Sekhmet on December 12, 2013 at 2:11 PM

northdallasthirty on December 12, 2013 at 1:34 PM

In other words, you no longer believe in the system, and would prefer to roll the dice, hoping the will to power of good people will prevail over Chicago thugs.

Sekhmet on December 12, 2013 at 2:14 PM

The point is, momentum is on the Right side and eleven months is not an eternity. With a little focus and a bit less circular firing squad, we could see the GOP in control of both chambers in January 2015. At that point, Congress can finally stop being “do nothings” and finally begin “doing their job” as the media (and Obama) so frequently claim they would like. Budgets with real cuts could be passed. Bills which promote business growth and jobs could reach the President’s desk.

I don’t see how the calculus changes. They still can’t sign the bills into law. The President can still veto them. And without the President’s signature, these bills languish and the government potentially shuts down. What does the GOP do then? Pass whatever Obama wants and call conservatives irrational?

besser tot als rot on December 12, 2013 at 2:16 PM

I don’t see how the calculus changes.

besser tot als rot on December 12, 2013 at 2:16 PM

There IS No calculus” in POLITICS!!

For the Love of GOD, man – PLEASE stop using those words in ANY association with each other!!

williamg on December 12, 2013 at 2:22 PM

northdallasthirty on December 12, 2013 at 1:34 PM

In other words, you no longer believe in the system, and would prefer to roll the dice, hoping the will to power of good people will prevail over Chicago thugs and power-hungry big-government-loving Republicans intent on eradicating conservatism.

Sekhmet on December 12, 2013 at 2:14 PM

You missed something.

Myron Falwell on December 12, 2013 at 2:33 PM

What does the GOP do then? Pass whatever Obama wants and call conservatives irrational?

besser tot als rot on December 12, 2013 at 2:16 PM

That’s been going on since 2009.

Myron Falwell on December 12, 2013 at 2:34 PM

In other words, you no longer believe in the system, and would prefer to roll the dice, hoping the will to power of good people will prevail over Chicago thugs.

Sekhmet on December 12, 2013 at 2:14 PM

Yep.

It worked nicely for the first American Revolution; it can work just as well for the second.

And I’m aware that to a Teater like yourself who is trying to justify your belief that people are evil and need Federally-funded bureaucrats and staffers to tell them what to do, that sounds crazy.

northdallasthirty on December 12, 2013 at 2:38 PM

Yep.

It worked nicely for the first American Revolution; it can work just as well for the second.

And I’m aware that to a Teater like yourself who is trying to justify your belief that people are evil and need Federally-funded bureaucrats and staffers to tell them what to do, that sounds crazy.

northdallasthirty on December 12, 2013 at 2:38 PM

What’s your Psi Corps employee number, since you are so sure about what I am thinking? What am I saying, your p-rating would be crap, as you have no clue what I think on the subject of bureaucrats.

In the original American Revolution, the only real foreign interests were the French Monarchy, who were not interested in dictating ideology to the folks so willing to give the English fits. You cannot say the same about the globalist elite, who often started out their rise to power under the tutelage of the KGB.

And you, Berserki Berserkerson, are one of the biggest problems the Tea Party has. You don’t care about winning victories within the system, because you no longer believe in it. You don’t care about a plan involving elections you no longer believe in winning. Long-term planning to you is buying canned goods for your bunker. You will elect for catharsis over effectiveness at every possible opportunity. And you vote the Tea Party into mistake after mistake after mistake because of it.

Sekhmet on December 12, 2013 at 2:52 PM

The shutdown comes to mind.

eva3071 on December 12, 2013 at 11:07 AM

What on earth are you talking about? They caved. And every RINO was against it. Nobody died on a hill.

Dongemaharu on December 12, 2013 at 3:49 PM

Obama says yes, Harry Reid says yes, Nancy Pelosi says yes, John Boehner and Paul Ryan say he11 yes to this ridiculous bill. The progressives ALL want to increase taxes, fund more government, and take away more freedoms. They would ALL sell their own children into slavery for an extra cocktail party invite or two.

Ceteris Paribus on December 12, 2013 at 3:54 PM

Money where your mouth is time.

1) I have sent money to Matt Bevin, who is running against Mitch McConnell in the primary.

2) I will send money to Representative Steve Stockman, who is running against Sen. Cornyn. Cornyn is another Institutional enemy of the TEA Party who was head of the Senate campaign committee, and we owe him from 2010.

3) John Boehner, Collaborator in Chief of the House, has multiple primary challengers. Haven’t picked one yet, but someone is getting a contribution.

No Institutional Republican is getting anything.

It is not going to be much, because like most of us I am not a rich lobbyist. But if we target those races, we may have an effect.

If the Institutionals win their primaries, I am not done. I will send the same amount to their Democrat opponent. It will be worth losing those seats, in order to try to hold some of them accountable.

Subotai Bahadur

Subotai Bahadur on December 12, 2013 at 4:36 PM

ObamaCare passed without any Republican votes, RINO or no.

deadman on December 12, 2013 at 11:56 AM

I remember reading that a Republican vote allowed ObamaCare to pass out of committee and it would have been stopped without that Republican vote.

Is that correct?

RJL on December 12, 2013 at 6:02 PM

RJL on December 12, 2013 at 6:02 PM

Maine “Republican” [kinda-sorta] Senator Olympia Snowe voted in favor of it coming out of the Senate Finance Committee. She later stated that she was going to vote to kill it, but she “heard history calling”. She was the only Republican to vote for Obamacare in any form in Congress.

The reaction to that was such that she chose not to run for re-election in 2012.

Boehner, McConnell, Ryan, et. al. are spending their time hallucinating the call of history, rather than listening to their base or the good of the country.

Subotai Bahadur on December 12, 2013 at 6:22 PM

And you, Berserki Berserkerson, are one of the biggest problems the Tea Party has. You don’t care about winning victories within the system, because you no longer believe in it. You don’t care about a plan involving elections you no longer believe in winning. Long-term planning to you is buying canned goods for your bunker. You will elect for catharsis over effectiveness at every possible opportunity. And you vote the Tea Party into mistake after mistake after mistake because of it.

Sekhmet on December 12, 2013 at 2:52 PM

Nope.

Voting for Obama-supporting pigs like yourself and Ruan and Boehner is the mistake, because you have not and will not do anything in opposition to Obama. Ever.

There’s no psi involved. You only attack conservatives and Tea Partiers. You cave and collapse and do whatever the Obama Party demands. And even better, you fund and endorse Obama’s abuses.

You have proven you’re no different than Obama. So we will vote you and your fellow pigs out of power. Period.

northdallasthirty on December 12, 2013 at 6:50 PM

And you, Berserki Berserkerson, are one of the biggest problems the Tea Party has. You don’t care about winning victories within the system, because you no longer believe in it. You don’t care about a plan involving elections you no longer believe in winning. Long-term planning to you is buying canned goods for your bunker. You will elect for catharsis over effectiveness at every possible opportunity. And you vote the Tea Party into mistake after mistake after mistake because of it.

Sekhmet on December 12, 2013 at 2:52 PM

The problem is, Sekhmet, that our war isn’t electoral, that is only a symptom. The real war is actually cultural and the winner of that gets to decide elections. I know you are wrong because so few people realize this fact, and even fewer have any idea about how to fight this war. They prefer to focus on elections, since a cultural war is so nasty and ill defined.

DFCtomm on December 12, 2013 at 6:54 PM

Nope.

Voting for Obama-supporting pigs like yourself and Ruan and Boehner is the mistake, because you have not and will not do anything in opposition to Obama. Ever.

There’s no psi involved. You only attack conservatives and Tea Partiers. You cave and collapse and do whatever the Obama Party demands. And even better, you fund and endorse Obama’s abuses.

You have proven you’re no different than Obama. So we will vote you and your fellow pigs out of power. Period.

northdallasthirty on December 12, 2013 at 6:50 PM

I thought the Second American Revolution was going to be brought on the holy wings of underwear gnomes and make all this winning elections tosh irrelevant.

You want to win? Here’s some tips:

Think victory. Think winning. Think how you will get from where you are now, to where you want to be politically. Send Eeyore back to the Hundred Acre Wood.

Hold off on that emotional attachment thing until after the vetters you trust have given the candidate a virtual colonoscopy.

Understand that especially in primaries for races for the seats of current Congressional leaders, the Dems are going to find an idiot they have had the goods on for years, and convince them to run. Back to my first statement—don’t get all attached until you know Garry Goatshagger doesn’t live up to his name.

Dialogue needs to happen here. Those awful Establishment guys in your local area may be RINOs, but maybe they know where the bodies are buried, and which erstwhile Tea Party candidate courting your primary vote was flashing her ta-tas on Girls Gone Wild back in the 90s, but thought you wouldn’t find out about it.

The personality it takes to run for office is the same type of personality to do some dumb crap, and figure nobody will find out about it. Vet, vet vet.

Look to Ted Cruz and his race for Senator as an example. Even Rubio, as disappointing as he has been. Both were good choices, both had what it took to win their races, and neither whined about a lack of RNC support when the polling got rough. If you are dead, dead dead without the RNC’s help, you are dead, dead dead with it. You don’t need a bailout from a good decision.

But then, what do I know?

Sekhmet on December 12, 2013 at 8:31 PM

But then, what do I know?

Sekhmet on December 12, 2013 at 8:31 PM

Well, you know you’ve got a government teat, and you know that if we walk, you lose it.

So you make up all these stories about why we should hate and fear and distrust Tea Partiers and conservative candidates because they all allegedly have scandals, even if you have to make them up, and that we should stick with the RINOs that you’ve “vetted” who can beat Democrats.

But these RINOs then go to Washington and vote like Democrats.

So our options are twofold: vote for a flawed candidate and possibly get a Democrat, vote for a RINO and absolutely get someone who votes like a Democrat.

So between the two, the end result is the same, and the first carries the option that the flawed candidate will win AND won’t vote like a Democrat.

So that’s your brilliant strategy, Sekhmet; you’ve convinced conservatives like myself that there’s no difference between you and the Obama Party, and as a result, we no longer see any reason to vote for you instead of an Obama Party member.

northdallasthirty on December 12, 2013 at 9:39 PM

So you make up all these stories about why we should hate and fear and distrust Tea Partiers and conservative candidates because they all allegedly have scandals, even if you have to make them up…

northdallasthirty on December 12, 2013 at 9:39 PM

I thought that “made up scandal” link would go to the bogus story about Christine O’Donnell’s tax lien.

When it comes to the Tea Party, the fix really is in, and the fixers have included the IRS.

The right solution is not: give in and only support candidates that the criminal left-wing establishment likes.

David Blue on December 13, 2013 at 3:16 AM

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