Chaos: HHS “asks” insurers to extend multiple ObamaCare deadlines

posted at 7:41 pm on December 12, 2013 by Allahpundit

The December 23rd enrollment deadline? Time to move that to next month. The deadline to pay your first month of premiums? Let’s go ahead and move that back too. Emergency treatment needed from an out-of-network provider? It’d be swell if that was covered the same way in-network treatments are. And what if your coverage is temporarily screwed up in January when you desperately need your prescriptions refilled? HHS “strongly encourages” insurers to pick up the slack.

In other words, they’re finally realizing that lots of people who had planned to have coverage next month won’t have it, whether because of their own procrastination, HHS’s technological incompetence, or the mind-boggling logistical problems that have been forced on insurers by Obama’s screw-ups and ass-covering political “fixes.” So now they’re going to pile another bunch of “fixes” on them — mere suggestions, wink-wink — and hope for the best, and if chaos ensues anyway in January, it’ll be insurers who are scapegoated.

Phil Klein’s right: It’s panic time in the White House. Let’s let this be the end of the “things are working better now” propaganda.

Among the guidance the HHS announced:

– It is requiring insurers to accept payments until Dec. 31 for coverage starting on Jan. 1. It is also “urging” insurers to give individuals more time beyond that to pay for coverage. In other words, if somebody pays for coverage in the middle of January, HHS is asking insurers to retroactively make that person’s coverage effective as of Jan. 1. HHS is also asking insurers to cover individuals who offer a “down payment,” even if that payment only covers part of the first month’s premiums.

– In a press release, HHS said it was also “strongly encouraging insurers to treat out-of-network providers as in-network to ensure continuity of care for acute episodes or if the provider was listed in their plan’s provider directory as of the date of an enrollee’s enrollment.”

– HHS is also “strongly encouraging insurers to refill prescriptions covered under previous plans during January.”…

Of course, for insurers who have spent years designing plans to comply with the law, this would present huge and unreasonable logistical hurdles.

To put it slightly differently:

Would all/any of these new fixes be illegal if HHS flatly required them? I realize it’s gauche at this point to ask whether the King can rightly suspend elements of the law that are inconvenient to him, but I feel obliged to put it out there. Maybe that’s why they’re merely being “suggested” instead of mandated — if the insurers extend the deadlines “voluntarily” (wink wink) then there are no legal implications. My hunch, though, is that the fixes are being made optional more for CYA reasons than for legal ones. If HHS mandates them — and according to CNBC, they might yet mandate an enrollment extension if Healthcare.gov has another meltdown — then next month’s havoc can be laid squarely on them. If they merely suggest them, then the havoc is really kinda sorta the fault of insurers who should have done a better job gauging whether extending the deadlines were feasible. And if an insurer decides not to extend the deadline and people are angry that they weren’t able to enroll in time, well, then that’s just a bad-apple insurer showing why they’re a bad apple.

In other news today, because Healthcare.gov’s doing so amazingly well now, HHS announced that they’re going to extend the deadline for phasing out state high-risk pools from December 31st until January. Even some sick people, who have the strongest incentive to transition to the new exchanges, can’t get enrolled in time.


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Insurers cannot do this without breaking state and federal laws.

/Oh, and Bishop.

Key West Reader on December 12, 2013 at 7:44 PM

People still think we live in a representative republic under rule of law?

How quaint.

Rebar on December 12, 2013 at 7:44 PM

Just making it up as they go along. Ad hoc government…

JohnGalt23 on December 12, 2013 at 7:46 PM

Collectivism requires coercion. This is just the beginning.

Big mistake electing this guy and allowing this to become “law”.

Tea Party was right.

forest on December 12, 2013 at 7:46 PM

This popcorn tastes delicious!

AllahsNippleHair on December 12, 2013 at 7:49 PM

Maybe that’s why they’re merely being “suggested” instead of mandated — if the insurers extend the deadlines “voluntarily” (wink wink) then there are no legal implications.

Insurance companies are regulated by the States, not the Feds. The Feds are relying on the insurers who act as Claims Administrators for CMS and Medicare/Medicaid. Those are Federal programs.

States have their own regulators and regulations. This “fix” cannot work. And will not work.

For now, anyway.

Key West Reader on December 12, 2013 at 7:49 PM

So, will the insurers get to simply raise taxes, print money or pass debt onto future generations to cover the enormous wastage of time, money and folding, spindling and mutilating forms just like The Regime does?

viking01 on December 12, 2013 at 7:50 PM

U.S. lays out steps to smooth Obamacare coverage in January
WASHINGTON Thu Dec 12, 2013 4:41pm EST
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(Reuters) – The Obama administration called on private health insurers on Thursday to make it easier for Americans to obtain coverage and access medical services starting January 1, even if technical troubles or other issues prevent timely enrollment in Obamacare plans.

The administration formally extended its December 15 enrollment deadline for obtaining insurance benefits on January 1 to December 23, and said it would consider further delays if “extraordinary circumstances” prevent consumers from enrolling.(More…)
==========================================

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/12/us-usa-healthcare-idUSBRE9BB17L20131212?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&dlvrit=574655

canopfor on December 12, 2013 at 7:50 PM

#itsthelaw

rogerb on December 12, 2013 at 7:51 PM

Will they have to extend the deadline before they can find out what it is?

viking01 on December 12, 2013 at 7:53 PM

People still think we live in a representative republic under rule of law?

How quaint.

Rebar on December 12, 2013 at 7:44 PM

So what do we call our current system Anarchical Marxism

kcewa on December 12, 2013 at 7:53 PM

The consumer versus insurer and provider versus payer litigation will be interesting

MTF on December 12, 2013 at 7:54 PM

i’ve been doing a little shopping in the 40W and 60W light bulb market given Freddy Upton’s (et al.) decision to ban those dirty bulbs. And noting how little notice this has received. The country has adapted well to the new overlord.

Freddy Upton (along with LaTourette) are proud members of the RINO PAC called Main Street Republicans (you know, main street as in GE, Goldman Sachs, etc).

so barry care is plunging along…perhaps a little better that Podesta and barry had hoped. Soon it will be so chaotic that barry’s idea of Medicaid for All will seem a down right obvious solution to a third world system. Forward

Perhaps if barrycare lasts until Hillary, she can dust off her old notes and just pass hillary care…which disallow cash payments of Doc.

in fact…let’s just go all the way…docs on a salary, they make too much anyway. then everyone can just show up at the clinic or at the hospital and they’ll get treatment (kinda)…see? no muss, no fuss.

would the reactionaries be upset? sure…they didn’t like the light bulb ban either…nor the coal plant shuttering…and certainly not the progressive toilet regs.

but in a couple of years it’ll be ok…and then we can MoveOn to bigger things

r keller on December 12, 2013 at 7:56 PM

Good grief. At some point, someone, anyone has to take a hold of this disaster and call it quits.
Insurance companies are not charities, they have stockholders to answer to, they have state regulations to adhere to, and all this crappola from the Feds is just that..crappola.
End this nightmare. Now.

srdem65 on December 12, 2013 at 7:56 PM

This illegality is not the hill to die on. As the esteemed Paul Ryan reminded us just minutes ago, elections have consequences so deal with it, ‘baggers.

Bishop on December 12, 2013 at 7:57 PM

19 days and the $hit is going to get real. I would not want to be a Health Insurance company right now. No matter what they do they are going to end up in court.

Johnnyreb on December 12, 2013 at 7:57 PM

Single Payer by Executive Order….

Ace ODale on December 12, 2013 at 7:59 PM

Can somebody tell me exactly which provisions of the law are in effect? With all of the delays, waivers and exemptions it’s hard to keep track.

BacaDog on December 12, 2013 at 7:59 PM

Johnnyreb on December 12, 2013 at 7:57 PM

Yep, can’t wait for the lawsuits to start!

Ace ODale on December 12, 2013 at 8:00 PM

So, will the insurers get to simply raise taxes, print money or pass debt onto future generations to cover the enormous wastage of time, money and folding, spindling and mutilating forms just like The Regime does?

viking01 on December 12, 2013 at 7:50 PM

No, but they could be put out of business and sued for bad faith, breach of contract, misfeasance, malfeasance and sued by Eric Holder!

….

Again.. Private insurers are subjected to State Insurance Commissioners and
State regulators, not the Federal Government.

There are also rules and regs that control what CMS (Medicare/Medicaid) can do to insurers who are Claims Administrators for Federal programs. There again, there are normally at LEAST 9-18 months of lede time before enforcing regulations. By contract.

Talk about falling on his face. How embarrassing.

These insurers are NOT going to comply. There is no contractual reason to do so.

Key West Reader on December 12, 2013 at 8:00 PM

Libs noticeably absent.

Bishop on December 12, 2013 at 8:00 PM

So nice that the insurance companies — which had a pretty good thing going — decided to commit suicide by getting into bed with this marxist regime. They’ll be out of business within a decade. Someone tell me what the upside of this was for them.

Rational Thought on December 12, 2013 at 8:00 PM

You get 4 downs. That doesn’t mean you can punt 4 times.

kcewa on December 12, 2013 at 8:01 PM

– In a press release, HHS said it was also “strongly encouraging insurers to treat out-of-network providers as in-network to ensure continuity of care for acute episodes or if the provider was listed in their plan’s provider directory as of the date of an enrollee’s enrollment.”

While this is made to sound to the suckers like “you can keep your doctor”, it’s BS. From what I’ve read, you can’t access the respective provider networks, by offered insurance plans, on the web site, as they shut that part down because of gross inaccuracies. Hence, that doctor you wish to keep may or may not be in the plan’s network on the date of “enrollment” (which they count as basically putting a plan in the shopping cart, but no way to pay for it on the back end.)

Just keep digging that hole, baby. Pretty soon the entire Obama administration will fit nicely into it.

TXUS on December 12, 2013 at 8:02 PM

This illegality is not the hill to die on. As the esteemed Paul Ryan reminded us just minutes ago, elections have consequences so deal with it, ‘baggers.

Bishop on December 12, 2013 at 7:57 PM

Bisop: A RePosty:)
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Ryan on GOP Critics of Budget Deal: Sorry, Elections Have Consequences

Published on Dec 12, 2013
*************************

Rep Ryan defended moments ago his bipartisan budget deal up for a vote in the house, telling Republicans “elections have consequences.”

We wanted President Obama to be defeated in 2012 but fell short of it, he explained.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Di-5UbGBwBo

canopfor on December 12, 2013 at 7:17 PM

canopfor on December 12, 2013 at 8:03 PM

This law will not be repealed as long as Dear Leader is POTUS…it will simply be changed until single payer is the law of the land. The GOP agrees.

d1carter on December 12, 2013 at 8:03 PM

Someone tell me what the upside of this was for them.

Rational Thought on December 12, 2013 at 8:00 PM

They were afraid of the Public Option that was originally part of Obamacare.

kcewa on December 12, 2013 at 8:04 PM

Did Boehner call this “ridiculous”…?

d1carter on December 12, 2013 at 8:04 PM

Libs noticeably absent.

Bishop on December 12, 2013 at 8:00 PM

Bishop:

Maybe you should change from bird shot to buck, er, oops, I mean lures!!
————-:0
(sarc)

canopfor on December 12, 2013 at 8:04 PM

Ryan on GOP Critics of Budget Deal: Sorry, Elections Have Consequences

So do congressional votes, Jerk.

kcewa on December 12, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Just keep digging that hole, baby. Pretty soon the entire Obama administration will fit nicely into it.

TXUS on December 12, 2013 at 8:02 PM

It is panic time in the Obama Administration. They know what is going to happen and like a drowning man, they are flailing around looking for anything that will float.

And it is just going to get worse when employers drop people and pay the piddling fine instead of complying with O Care.

Johnnyreb on December 12, 2013 at 8:06 PM

I’ve made an executive order extending my own personal deadline to when hell freezes over.

You made your law,, enforce it.

This “purist” is dreaming of a “trenchline”.

I’ve been pushed far enough.

wolly4321 on December 12, 2013 at 8:06 PM

Insurance companies to Obama: Get Bent.

Mason on December 12, 2013 at 8:06 PM

HHS is also asking insurers to cover individuals who offer a “down payment,” even if that payment only covers part of the first month’s premiums.

This is the one that baffles me…

d1carter on December 12, 2013 at 8:07 PM

Strongly suggest insurers bend from the front door… strongly imply those who do will be covered financially from the back door. That rule will show up tomorrow night, after the evening news has broadcast.

BKeyser on December 12, 2013 at 8:08 PM

HHS is going to deem applicants as covered under the ‘self-executing rule’. /

ElectricPhase on December 12, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Free Health Care For Everyone in January!

(Offer restricted to those who can if find a doctor)

kcewa on December 12, 2013 at 8:10 PM

So nice that the insurance companies — which had a pretty good thing going — decided to commit suicide by getting into bed with this marxist regime. They’ll be out of business within a decade. Someone tell me what the upside of this was for them.

Rational Thought on December 12, 2013 at 8:00 PM

They didn’t “get in bed” with this Administration. They just spent the last 3 years getting into position to meet compliance with “Barry’s Law”. That cost them billions of dollars with no guarantee of return on investment. The “investment” was NOT voluntary. It was MANDATORY.

/Do not demonize these insurers.

Key West Reader on December 12, 2013 at 8:11 PM

Obama, Stalin’s Spawn, through your arrogance, heartlessness and stupidity, you have opened this formally blessed land and millions of innocent lives to the horror and devastation of ObamaCare…

VorDaj on December 12, 2013 at 8:12 PM

HHS is also asking insurers to cover individuals who offer a “down payment,” even if that payment only covers part of the first month’s premiums.

This is the one that baffles me…

d1carter on December 12, 2013 at 8:07 PM

They’re not accepting EBT cards.

Key West Reader on December 12, 2013 at 8:13 PM

They’re not accepting EBT cards.

Key West Reader on December 12, 2013 at 8:13 PM

Not, yet….

d1carter on December 12, 2013 at 8:16 PM

The next extension will be to force insurance company’s to declare people covered even though they’re not, on the promise that all bills to docs and hospitals will be paid before a policy is issued.Then the open hearters and major trauma folks will walk away and get a policy when they need it.That shouldn’t cost the evil insurance company’s much./

docflash on December 12, 2013 at 8:16 PM

And it is just going to get worse when employers drop people and pay the piddling fine instead of complying with O Care.

Johnnyreb on December 12, 2013 at 8:06 PM

I don’t think it will get to that point. At least I hope not.

Key West Reader on December 12, 2013 at 8:17 PM

An Ass masquerading as a President once found a Doctor’s white lab coat which had been left out in the sun to dry. He put it on and spoke to his countrymen. All bowed, both men and women, and he was a proud Ass that day. In his delight he lifted up his voice and brayed treatments and prescriptions and timetables and qualifications randomly and incoherently and unleashed mindless bureaucrat 404 zombies upon the land to look for trouble, find it everywhere, diagnose everything incorrectly and then in a very grouchy and slow manner misapply all the wrong remedies, and then everyone knew him for the Ass he really was.

Cheshire Cat on December 12, 2013 at 8:17 PM

Insurance companies to Obama: Get Bent.

Mason on December 12, 2013 at 8:06 PM

Obama to insurance companies: I’m the only thing between you and the pitchforks.

(And the DNC paid good money to buy those pitcforks for the SEIU, charter those busses and buy htose purple t-shirts.)

Wethal on December 12, 2013 at 8:18 PM

Scoop the Magic Deviant..where ares ya?

Again the Dems will save this thing no matter the cost in money or to our laws.

CWchangedhisNicagain on December 12, 2013 at 8:19 PM

Obama and his clown college have burned down the entire American healthcare delivery system and they only now realize that they don’t have a clue about how to build anything to replace it.

If only arrogance were the same as competence.

Cicero43 on December 12, 2013 at 8:20 PM

I don’t think it will get to that point. At least I hope not.

Key West Reader on December 12, 2013 at 8:17 PM


O’RLY?

ElectricPhase on December 12, 2013 at 8:21 PM

The next extension will be to force insurance company’s to declare people covered even though they’re not, on the promise that all bills to docs and hospitals will be paid before a policy is issued.Then the open hearters and major trauma folks will walk away and get a policy when they need it.That shouldn’t cost the evil insurance company’s much./

docflash on December 12, 2013 at 8:16 PM

Barry’s days as the Ward Healer are over. And he knows it. He cannot fool 300M people into believing his schtick.

These insurers are likely to flex some muscles and tell Barry to stuff it and tell him to find some other Claims Administrators for Federal Medicare/Medicaid programs.

That will only hurt the poor and elderly.

These insurers have done nothing other than spend time, money and resources into meeting “compliance”. They’re not going to do anything else at this point.

Other than to tell Barry to stuff Barry’s law up his own azz and find some other private insurers who are willing to Administrate Federal Medicare and Medicaid programs … BOTH programs are financial losers BTW.

Key West Reader on December 12, 2013 at 8:21 PM

Reminds me of the interpreter at the Mandela memorial…

d1carter on December 12, 2013 at 8:23 PM

If a business gets pushed towards deciding between buying O’Commiecare for employees and going out of business or paying the shakedown fine instead of going bankrupt they’ll pay the fine.

viking01 on December 12, 2013 at 8:24 PM

All of this could have been avoided if Dingy Harry didn’t shut down the government rather than take the 1-year delay in PlaceboCare’s individual mandate (or better yet, the 1-year total freeze in PlaceboCare).

Steve Eggleston on December 12, 2013 at 8:28 PM

More fixin’ the fixes for the glitches – brought to you by Kathy Sebeliass and the Department of Redundancy Department. Good thing this wasn’t about healthcare. Now if we could just do something about those nasty incompetent insurance companies and stop those all-powerful evil Republicans from blocking our progress…

ghostwalker1 on December 12, 2013 at 8:31 PM

Good thing Ryan just funded it again!

ctmom on December 12, 2013 at 8:31 PM

An Ass masquerading as a President once found a Doctor’s white lab coat which had been left out in the sun to dry. He put it on and spoke to his countrymen. All bowed, both men and women, and he was a proud Ass that day. In his delight he lifted up his voice and brayed treatments and prescriptions and timetables and qualifications randomly and incoherently and unleashed mindless bureaucrat 404 zombies upon the land to look for trouble, find it everywhere, diagnose everything incorrectly and then in a very grouchy and slow manner misapply all the wrong remedies, and then everyone knew him for the Ass he really was.

Cheshire Cat on December 12, 2013 at 8:17 PM

Had to re-post… Shades of 2009-2010

Oh, And let’s not EVER FORGET that BarryCare was passed in the cover of dark, in Washington DC by Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and every democrat lawmaker in Washington.

Lo, some have left us. Like the esteemed Barney Frank. Oh! and Max Baucus – what a charmer.

/Oh. Dear. Who ELSE left the Democratic party before this farking BOMB exploded on the American Public?

……………

I’m thinkin’ Ace is gonna pick this up. He’s the queen of Links. /heh

Key West Reader on December 12, 2013 at 8:32 PM

Oh, And let’s not EVER FORGET that BarryCare was passed in the cover of dark, in Washington DC by Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and every democrat lawmaker in Washington. …

I forgot to say it was at 11:00PM on Christmas Eve, 2009

/My bad

Key West Reader on December 12, 2013 at 8:36 PM

End this nightmare. Now.

srdem65 on December 12, 2013 at 7:56 PM

Can somebody tell me exactly which provisions of the law are in effect? With all of the delays, waivers and exemptions it’s hard to keep track.

BacaDog on December 12, 2013 at 7:59 PM

An emergency injunction needs to be filed with the Supreme Court. Paging Ted Cruz…

monalisa on December 12, 2013 at 8:37 PM

They didn’t “get in bed” with this Administration. They just spent the last 3 years getting into position to meet compliance with “Barry’s Law”. That cost them billions of dollars with no guarantee of return on investment. The “investment” was NOT voluntary. It was MANDATORY.

/Do not demonize these insurers.

Key West Reader on December 12, 2013 at 8:11 PM

Oh, nonsense. They made a deal with the devil, and the devil promised to (wink, wink) make all those affordable plans go away in favor of much more expensive plans, and then the devil said, “And we’ll make ‘em pay it –or else!” The insurance companies were in on the planning every step of the way, thinking they’d get their big payday via government coercion of its citizens. They LOVED the muscle, the threats, the fines, the TAXES — they just never expected that the people weren’t going to submit. Give me a break about the poor, poor insurance companies being pitiful little victims of big bad barack. They LOVE barack, and they’ll be loving him right up until the day they close their doors. Think of ‘em as Detroit voters.

Rational Thought on December 12, 2013 at 8:38 PM

Isn’t this a textbook conspiracy charge?

BobMbx on December 12, 2013 at 8:40 PM

ill send a memo to my immune system to delay any illnesses.

phatfawzi on December 12, 2013 at 8:43 PM

Reminds me of the interpreter at the Mandela memorial…

d1carter on December 12, 2013 at 8:23 PM

That fake interpreter is fast becoming a symbol for all the insanity around us.

esr1951 on December 12, 2013 at 8:45 PM

NEXT UP: Extending obama’s term indefinitely, or at least until obamacare is running smoothly.

Pork-Chop on December 12, 2013 at 8:45 PM

That fake interpreter is fast becoming a symbol for all the insanity around us.

esr1951 on December 12, 2013 at 8:45 PM

Thing is, half the libs in America would have understood the guy because they speak bullshiite.

Bishop on December 12, 2013 at 8:52 PM

I’ve made an executive order extending my own personal deadline to when hell freezes over.

You made your law,, enforce it.

This “purist” is dreaming of a “trenchline”.

I’ve been pushed far enough.

wolly4321 on December 12, 2013 at 8:06 PM

Me too, Wolly… Save me a spot at the camp…

Dibs on the top bunk…

PointnClick on December 12, 2013 at 8:53 PM

Yep, can’t wait for the lawsuits to start!

Ace ODale on December 12, 2013 at 8:00 PM

I’m waiting for the very first patient who actually uses his Obamacare insurance and has significant issues concerning treatment. Blood in the water…..

Renee on December 12, 2013 at 8:57 PM

The insurance companies have already been suborned by the Obama administration. They have no choice but to be ‘all in’. The normal thing here is to send them money based on ‘risk corridors’ that the Fed is printing up for us, and declare success.

percysunshine on December 12, 2013 at 9:05 PM

Insurers to White House: ‘Drop Dead‘”.

Or, so should the headline read in the NYT and WSJ.
But they will not: for insurers are spineless collaborators, happy to lap at the bottomless trough suggested by Dear Leader and his minions.

Let’s make sure the insurance CEOs hang in the first wave, yes?
Next to Zeke ‘the Sneak’ Emanuel and Cruella Sibelius

orangemtl on December 12, 2013 at 9:09 PM

Thing is, half the libs in America would have understood the guy because they speak bullshiite.

Bishop on December 12, 2013 at 8:52 PM

Yep. That is my point.

esr1951 on December 12, 2013 at 9:11 PM

Stroke of the pen. Whim of the President. Kinda cool.

PackerBronco on December 12, 2013 at 9:22 PM

Since when has this administration been concerned about “the law”?

GarandFan on December 12, 2013 at 9:26 PM

Reminds me of the interpreter at the Mandela memorial…

d1carter on December 12, 2013 at 8:23 PM

That fake interpreter is fast becoming a symbol for all the insanity around us.

esr1951 on December 12, 2013 at 8:45 PM

Considering the importance of Totus to Obama. The interpreter is fitting.

CWchangedhisNicagain on December 12, 2013 at 9:28 PM

Yep. That is my point.

esr1951 on December 12, 2013 at 9:11 PM

Should have figured that, I’m dense most of the time.

Bishop on December 12, 2013 at 9:31 PM

It would be suicide, at least here in California, for a health insurance company to pay for services of an out-of-network provider in any way beyond the express terms of the insurance policy and the existing network agreements. The already unacceptable level of litigation would go up several notches, for years to come. The California regulators, as liberal as they are, may, again, say No to this latest federal government request.
Today’s requests from HHS show, again, how lawless our society has become: laws, contracts, rules are all subject to the whims of the government. We are being led into federal-government-inspired anarchy.

GaltBlvnAtty on December 12, 2013 at 9:33 PM

Of course, for insurers who have spent years designing plans to comply with the law, this would present huge and unreasonable logistical hurdles.

Thanks again, Ms. Sub-bilious.

dont taze me bro on December 12, 2013 at 9:37 PM

Would all/any of these new fixes be illegal if HHS flatly required them?


{Sigh}

Seriously?

There is a little thing known as the Uniform Commercial Code that covers ALL of what has been suggested and would result in a ruling in favor of the insurance companies in ANY court with jurisdiction and even a “make-believe, I graduated from Harvard Law” moron representing them.

It is that cut and dried. The insurance companies also have some of the best lawyers in America on retainer.

Honest suggestion, AP – Take a night college course for a least a couple of semesters in Contract Law. It will ROCK your world and maybe even turn you into a ‘true blue, burn Boehner at the stake’ conservative.

PolAgnostic on December 12, 2013 at 9:43 PM

Why is HA silent on what happened at Mt Vernon last weekend? You know, that little convention what 32 States sent representatives to discuss constitutional amendments? It only takes 34 States to put up amendments up for ratification by 38 states. And not a peep here at HA, almost as if they’re for the status quo, eh?

AH_C on December 12, 2013 at 10:01 PM

The insurance companies will not give a f*** anymore about these most incompetent fools are saying or doing… They will just do what they need to do to stay in business and if the welfare queens agitatotr does not like he can simply take a hike or they will take him to the courts for asking them to break the law that he signed…

mnjg on December 12, 2013 at 10:12 PM

This is absolutely insane.
Obama is singlehandedly destroying the American healthcare system.
He is the most vile, devious and incompetent nitwit to hold any executive position anywhere, let alone the Presidency of the United States.
The other branches had better find a way to get rid of this cretin soon.

justltl on December 12, 2013 at 10:16 PM

And in terms of legacies, the rodeo clown will leave a legacy so dismal as to make Nero look like a piker by comparison.

justltl on December 12, 2013 at 10:20 PM

Not surprised.

Philly on December 12, 2013 at 10:47 PM

This is so chaotic that it is going to spawn a plethora of lawsuits about responsibility for the shifting goalposts of coverage. It may go all the way to the high court, and Roberts may get his chance at revenge against obama. This governmental and legal chaos is unprecedented in my lifetime.

paul1149 on December 12, 2013 at 11:18 PM

As the media has been asking all day, didn’t anyone think to check this guy’s credentials before they let him do that job? Not the violent schizophrenic sign language interpreter’s credentials, Obama’s credentials.

Zoomie on December 12, 2013 at 11:28 PM

It’s simple. Obama will DEEM that everyone has health insurance.

Dhuka on December 12, 2013 at 11:43 PM

Question: If there is no law, beyond the president’s wishes, of what use are lawyers?

tngmv on December 12, 2013 at 11:48 PM

Collectivism requires coercion. This is just the beginning.

Big mistake electing this guy and allowing this to become “law”.

Tea Party was right.

forest on December 12, 2013 at 7:46 PM

It’s not often I get to recycle an old comment, but this is still apropos today:

Fascism. It doesn’t start out as repressive, which is why people reject the label for politicians like Obama. But it always ends up being repressive, because it’s the only way the government can try to control the economy.

And this is why AP was wrong when he objected to calling Obama a fascist because he wasn’t like Hitler or Mussolini. If he’s a fascist, he’ll end up being repressive. There’s no other way to be a fascist.

There Goes The Neighborhood on May 7, 2011 at 11:19 AM

Fascism doesn’t necessarily start out with “jack-booted thugs,” but it always gets there eventually.

We’re not there yet. But we’re seeing the rule of law dissolve into a flurry of edicts telling corporations to disregard the very laws they were held to a short while ago.

There Goes the Neighborhood on December 13, 2013 at 2:41 AM

Perhaps insurance companies will now see the wisdom of joining the fight against Obamacare as they did Hillarycare. Someone should have reminded them that “when you lie down with dogs you may get up with fleas”.

Nomas on December 13, 2013 at 7:52 AM

This is absolutely insane.
Obama is singlehandedly destroying the American healthcare system.

justltl on December 12, 2013 at 10:16 PM

He’s destroying a lot more than that.

BTW, check out Ace’s site, where he’s reporting that the cancer patient who went on t.v. to complain about losing his insurance coverage because of Obamacare is now being audited by the I.R.S., as is the lawyer who stepped forward to help the cancer patient get new coverage. Just a coincidence, undoubtedly. Same as when Dr. Ben Carson criticized Obama on t.v., and then received an I.R.S. audit notice a few days later. Same as all the Tea Party folks who were targeted, and the lady running True the Vote (an organization trying to ensure fair elections). The True the Vote lady was targeted by I.R.S., A.T.F., and a bunch of other executive branch agencies.

Obama has weaponized the federal government, and is using it to punish his political enemies.

AZCoyote on December 13, 2013 at 8:06 AM

So has Obama absolved the insurance companies’ boards of directors from their duty to their shareholders and policy holders?

AcidReflux on December 13, 2013 at 8:08 AM

Link to the story:

http://minx.cc/?post=345668

AZCoyote on December 13, 2013 at 8:09 AM

Hell, at this point, all you can do is sit back and laugh as the ceiling caves in because of govt overreach and the Obama Admin’s glaring incompetence.

It’s not like any serious opposition to all this exists in DC. Except for a few “baggers” like Ted Cruz and Mike Lee, it’s all just varying degrees of left wing progressivism up there.

Yesterday’s budget vote proved it – for anyone who still needed convincing.

DRayRaven on December 13, 2013 at 8:09 AM

But at least Obama has his drone strikes going for him, which is nice.

AcidReflux on December 13, 2013 at 8:13 AM

The insurers are well and truly screwed.

And we’re all next.

darkpixel on December 13, 2013 at 8:31 AM

So nice that the insurance companies — which had a pretty good thing going — decided to commit suicide by getting into bed with this marxist regime. They’ll be out of business within a decade. Someone tell me what the upside of this was for them.

Rational Thought on December 12, 2013 at 8:00 PM

All they could see was the word “mandate”. They should be vilified for that alone, but they were also too shortsighted to understand the kind of buffoonish administration they were dealing with.

NotCoach on December 13, 2013 at 8:41 AM

…and if chaos ensues anyway in January, it’ll be insurers who are scapegoated.

Supp’d with the Devil. Spoon not long enough.

David Blue on December 13, 2013 at 8:45 AM

at what point are these insurers — seen as a whole more sinned against than sinning — and they were whores at best — going to publicly tell this Administration to go pound sand?

a few kicks at the door and the whole rotting structure will come crumbling down.

someone should remind these insurance whores that one does not acquire virtue by becoming a “better type” of prostitute.

matthew8787 on December 13, 2013 at 8:50 AM

how is a delay in the required payment to insurers for the procrastinators fair to those who already paid their premium?

Some families get to purchase groceries and Christmas presents, and the rest go without?

We try to be cynical with this Obama bunch, but it’s difficult to keep up.

matthew8787 on December 13, 2013 at 8:53 AM

It’s not chaos or panic time. The King will scapegoat and weasel his way through this.

MT on December 13, 2013 at 8:54 AM

Insurance companies to Obama: Get Bent.

Mason on December 12, 2013 at 8:06 PM

I wish. I will believe it when I see it. They need to publicly rise up and raise Hell.

matthew8787 on December 13, 2013 at 9:00 AM

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