Boehner slams righty PACs over budget deal again: “Frankly I think they’ve lost all credibility”

posted at 1:01 pm on December 12, 2013 by Allahpundit

Confession: I did not expect that this lame budget deal would be Boehner’s red line for tea-party criticism. But maybe it had to be that way. If he’d slammed them in October, when Cruz and Lee had galvanized the base against the bete noire of O-Care, it might have cost him his gavel. The stakes are lower now — he proved he was willing to shut down the government for a conservative cause, everyone understands that any budget deal with Democrats will vary only in shades of badness, and enough people have tuned out of the news in December that there won’t be any grand revolt against him. If he wants to throw down the gauntlet to groups like the Club for Growth and FreedomWorks, now’s as good a time as any. And who knows? Maybe he legitimately feels it’s “ridiculous” for conservative PACs to shriek over a compromise when the stakes are as small as they are here. Take it from me: Even a RINO has his breaking point, my friends. Our candy-asses can stand kicking only so many times.

Is this smart, though?

The more antagonistic he gets with outfits like Heritage Action, the greater the risk that they’ll elevate this vote into a litmus test and the greater the pressure there’ll be on Republican fencesitters in the House to vote no. Then again, the vote’s only four or five hours away. This was the point of jamming the bill through this week — the quicker you move, the less time conservative PACs have to build opposition. Members want to go home for Christmas. They’ll risk some short-term grassroots wrath over a vote that people almost certainly won’t remember a year from now.

Here’s video from his presser. Watch for the big “Are you kidding me?!” freakout at 1:30. Terrifying exit question:


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John Boehner has a lifetime ACU rating of over 90%.

rockmom on December 12, 2013 at 1:29 PM

Yet we have $17 T in debt – $50,000 for each one of us. The ACU should be fired.

faraway on December 12, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Congress
John Boehner: Conservative Groups Have ‘Lost All Credibility’
Matt Berman
By Matt Berman

December 12, 2013
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http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/john-boehner-conservative-groups-have-lost-all-credibility-20131212

canopfor on December 12, 2013 at 1:32 PM

John Boehner has a lifetime ACU rating of over 90%.

rockmom on December 12, 2013 at 1:29 PM

I didn’t realize ACU ratings were still taken seriously.

aryeung on December 12, 2013 at 1:33 PM

John Boehner has a lifetime ACU rating of over 90%.

rockmom on December 12, 2013 at 1:29 PM

Says more about them than him.

Schadenfreude on December 12, 2013 at 1:33 PM

John Boehner has a lifetime ACU rating of over 90%.

rockmom on December 12, 2013 at 1:29 PM

Without the TEA party he’d be Pelosi’s biatch.

Schadenfreude on December 12, 2013 at 1:34 PM

The ACU has urge its members to vote against this deal…?

d1carter on December 12, 2013 at 1:34 PM

Somewhere there’s a video camera and an orange jumpsuit with Boehner’s name on them……

williamg on December 12, 2013 at 1:34 PM

To Russert’s question. Boner will wait until all bodies are in place for 2014, then bring up amnesty.

Schadenfreude on December 12, 2013 at 1:27 PM

No, I don’t think Boehner can afford to wait for 2014. The first problem is that if the Tea Party manages to get enough of its Senators elected, there will be more “boots on the ground” to help kill amnesty in the Senate.

The second problem for him is that Mitch McConnell could lose his primary challenge. Given that McConnell is voting against this deal, it looks like he’s scared, which means Bevin has a chance to unseat him. Even if Bevin were to lose the general (which I don’t think he will), it would send a message to Republican senators in Washington that even the Minority/Majority leader is not safe from challenges from the right.

So, tl;dr, Boehner and McConnell have got to pass amnesty this year before the elections. This way they get the Democrats to help them get it passed, and can try to shift the blame to them. The less informed party line voters will probably accept the lie that “Obama rammed amnesty down our throats.”

Doomberg on December 12, 2013 at 1:34 PM

Without the TEA party he’d be Pelosi’s biatch.

Schadenfreude on December 12, 2013 at 1:34 PM

Dude. He is Pelosi’s biatch with the TEA party.

besser tot als rot on December 12, 2013 at 1:35 PM

Pelosi,..just finished speaking:

Shift ‏@TheFocuus 4m

Former Speaker Pelosi on the floor now. #Budgetdeal Debate – she says “close the loophole.” #Cspan Repubs love loopholes, they hunt for them

canopfor on December 12, 2013 at 1:35 PM

Schadenfreude on December 12, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Schadenfreude on December 12, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Is that all you’ve really got?

eva3071 on December 12, 2013 at 1:35 PM

They may not have much of a shot, but Boehner has two primary opponents.

Eric Gurr-http://www.gurrforcongress.com/

J.D. Winteregg-http://jdwinteregg.com/

topdawg on December 12, 2013 at 1:36 PM

Obama wants amnesty. And what Obama wants, the GOP leadership delivers.

besser tot als rot on December 12, 2013 at 1:36 PM

More Pelosium:


Shift ‏@TheFocuus 2m

Former Speaker Pelosi says emergency unemployment benefits is a safety net for the system not just individuals. #Cspan #Budgetdeal debate.

canopfor on December 12, 2013 at 1:37 PM

If they had wanted to actually take a stand it would’ve been very easy. All they would have to say is that given the disaster of Obamacare, and other lawless actions taken by the administration, we can’t fund Obamacare, the IRS, the EPA etc. until there is accountability and transparency. But they didn’t. Because they don’t care about the law. They just care about power.

Iblis on December 12, 2013 at 1:37 PM

So, tl;dr, Boehner and McConnell have got to pass amnesty this year before the elections.

Doomberg on December 12, 2013 at 1:34 PM

You must have meant 2014, not this year…they’ll be lucky to pass the Ryan deal this week. He’ll pass this with all the Ds and a few RINOs, then they’ll go home for X-mas, er the “Holidays”.

Schadenfreude on December 12, 2013 at 1:37 PM

. Take it from me: Even a RINO has his breaking point, my friends. Our candy-asses can stand kicking only so many times.

I’ve been here long enough to remember the comment that spawned that.

Jeff Weimer on December 12, 2013 at 1:37 PM

The leftists won’t pass anything in the senate, without more dough for the unemployed and such.

Schadenfreude on December 12, 2013 at 1:38 PM

“Frankly I think they’ve lost all credibility”

This is what happens when you leave people out to dry on the shutdown, they are liable to not listen to you anymore. Of course, that wouldn’t matter to these yahoos that somehow think suicide charges are a way to win the battle let alone the war. They are not your expendable pawns anymore.

eva3071 on December 12, 2013 at 1:39 PM

Is that all you’ve really got?

eva3071 on December 12, 2013 at 1:35 PM

You’ve posted a few inanities and petty insults. What kind of response are you looking for, exactly?

besser tot als rot on December 12, 2013 at 1:39 PM

You must have meant 2014, not this year…they’ll be lucky to pass the Ryan deal this week. He’ll pass this with all the Ds and a few RINOs, then they’ll go home for X-mas, er the “Holidays”.

Schadenfreude on December 12, 2013 at 1:37 PM

Err, yes. Sorry! I’m already thinking of 2013 as being “over” even though we’ve still got a couple of weeks before New Year’s. :-)

Doomberg on December 12, 2013 at 1:40 PM

eva3071 on December 12, 2013 at 1:39 PM

No one should wish to be in a trench with you, not in real need.

Schadenfreude on December 12, 2013 at 1:40 PM

Iblis on December 12, 2013 at 1:37 PM

That was what the October shutdown was for, and it backfired.

eva3071 on December 12, 2013 at 1:40 PM

Canopfor, nice to be back. Thanks. Hope you’re well.

Rock mom, usually I think you’re spot on and very clear headed with everything.

However, I don’t care if john b has a 90 percent acu rating. We are coming to a pivotal point in this nations history, and he has shown very little chutzpah. It’s easy to get a 90 percent rating. I want him to be there when it counts.

blatantblue on December 12, 2013 at 1:40 PM

Conservatives don’t trust Biehner/Bush wing of the GOP. It is hard to argue for limited government and to cut spending when you have no problem blowing money on your own pet projects and on foreign countries. I hear moderate and establishment Republicans blame the more conservative wing (both social and fiscal) of the GOP for losing elections. Yet how is it a winning political strategy to follow so called “Bush republicanism”?

Maybe the GOP needs to cut back on the morality stuff, ok, but I find even more comical when some “moderate” Republican starts wailing for blowing money on Medicare drug expansions and building schools and roads in Muslim countries to win hearts in minds.

They don’t seem to see the irony in all this.

William Eaton on December 12, 2013 at 1:41 PM

Why is that exit question terrifying? I’m with Boehner on this one.

It’s gotten to the point where I am seriously questioning whether Democrats are actually funding Heritage Action and FreedomWorks. Certainly they are the biggest beneficiaries of this continuing circular firing squad among conservatives.

I must have missed the national convention that declared these groups the arbiters of conservatism.

rockmom on December 12, 2013 at 1:10 PM


Just to be clear …

You’re FINE with the procedural changes included in the bill that would allow Harry Reid to pass tax increases with just 51 Democratic votes instead of the current 60 required for cloture?

That’s what you are supporting?

PolAgnostic on December 12, 2013 at 1:42 PM

Love rino ryan’s logic to pass this horrid budget. He says we got a democratic senate & Obama and that’s the reason it’s a 18 month deal. more republicans can get elected to the house and senate in 2014.

Ryan you moron, Obama will still be president for 3 more years. so he’ll veto anything a congress sends him.

THAT’S WHY CONSERVATIVES WANT TO MAKE A STAND ON SPENDING NOW. WE VOTED FOR A REPUBLICAN HOUSE. RYAN DOESN’T ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES.

These rino’s a bunch of spineless wimps!

Danielvito on December 12, 2013 at 1:42 PM

McConnell isn’t losing – it won’t be close.

We can’t reduce spending because we cannot get it through the senate. We can stop spending, but that is it.

So this budget deal is a nothing burger. Neither side can get what they want, current politics suggest shutdowns are a GOP loser, even when the dems shut the public out of monuments and parks, the GOP gets killed. The MSM isn’t dead yet.

So they took the one issue off the table that can rescue the dems. Now we can allow Obamacare to rip the dem party to shreds and pick up seats in 2014.

We do have to remain vigilant about amnesty and minimum wage.

Zomcon JEM on December 12, 2013 at 1:43 PM

Dude. He is Pelosi’s biatch with the TEA party.

besser tot als rot on December 12, 2013 at 1:35 PM

So true, so true.

Schadenfreude on December 12, 2013 at 1:43 PM

This is what happens when you leave people out to dry on the shutdown, they are liable to not listen to you anymore. Of course, that wouldn’t matter to these yahoos that somehow think suicide charges are a way to win the battle let alone the war.

eva3071 on December 12, 2013 at 1:39 PM

They didn’t like the shutdown plan? Fine. Why didn’t they come up with their own plan? Oh, this is their plan? Raise spending? Raise taxes? Make raising taxes easier in the future? Amnesty? I fail to see how giving the other side everything they want is any way to win a war. I fail to see how they are actually involved in a war at all – they look like collaborators to me.

besser tot als rot on December 12, 2013 at 1:43 PM

Rick-rolled, and proud of it.

MTF on December 12, 2013 at 1:43 PM

Boehner – Schweizer has called you OUT!! Tell Us:

WHO GAVE YOU MONEY TO ORGANIZE THIS VOTE RAMMING A BAD DEAL DOWN OUR THROATS?!!!

williamg on December 12, 2013 at 1:43 PM

“Frankly I think they’ve lost all credibility”

This is what happens when you leave people out to dry on the shutdown, they are liable to not listen to you anymore. Of course, that wouldn’t matter to these yahoos that somehow think suicide charges are a way to win the battle let alone the war. They are not your expendable pawns anymore.

eva3071 on December 12, 2013 at 1:39 PM

So, we can put you into the go along to get along column, then? What principles do you stand for? Do you belong to the no labels gang?
Who let Joan Huntsman register here?

AllahsNippleHair on December 12, 2013 at 1:43 PM

SHould have said stop increased spending. Not just stop spending.

Zomcon JEM on December 12, 2013 at 1:44 PM


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canopfor on December 12, 2013 at 1:44 PM

We can stop spending, but that is it.

Zomcon JEM on December 12, 2013 at 1:43 PM

No we can’t. This Ryan deal proves that.

besser tot als rot on December 12, 2013 at 1:44 PM

The shutdown was but a dot on the national travesty, which the Ds and RINOs are. You are all traitors to the next generations.

Ryan’s plan funds two years’ worth of obama’care’. How can you stand yourselves?

Schadenfreude on December 12, 2013 at 1:45 PM

You’ve posted a few inanities and petty insults. What kind of response are you looking for, exactly?

besser tot als rot on December 12, 2013 at 1:39 PM

Amusement.

No one should wish to be in a trench with you, not in real need.

Schadenfreude on December 12, 2013 at 1:40 PM

Same to you. If we were in a trench, I would stab you in the back at the first opportunity since we are enemies.

eva3071 on December 12, 2013 at 1:45 PM

Translation: We have the corporate donations and control the
nomination process. We don’t need to represent anyone else,
you can’t afford to ante up with the big boys. If you don’t
like this, we will take our money and go to the other side.

I say: Fine, I’d just as soon die in a pile of brass, as to
have to smell your sulfurous breath, or behold your congressional-
tanning-bed, orange face. John Boehner,(D)Ohio, sounds good to me.
Now, dry your eyes, your handlers will continue to fund you.

Gallifet on December 12, 2013 at 1:46 PM

No matter how low he may have thought the stakes were, or no matter how genuinely frustrated he may have been, it’s just always bad politics to attack your base. Always.

He sounds more like he’s gearing up to switch parties.

WhatSlushfund on December 12, 2013 at 1:46 PM

So they took the one issue off the table that can rescue the dems. Now we can allow Obamacare to rip the dem party to shreds and pick up seats in 2014.

We do have to remain vigilant about amnesty and minimum wage.

Zomcon JEM on December 12, 2013 at 1:43 PM

Why do we have to remain vigilant about amnesty and the minimum wage? We have to give in on those so that we don’t distract from Obamacare.

besser tot als rot on December 12, 2013 at 1:46 PM

John Boehner has a lifetime ACU rating of over 90%.
rockmom on December 12, 2013 at 1:29 PM

Maybe that tells you something about ACU. How will ACU count a vote for this bill? As “conservative,” because it cuts spending by .00001%?

Akzed on December 12, 2013 at 1:46 PM

Just forcing some sort of budgetary constraint is, in and of itself, the tightest bit of control that has ever existed in the Obama era. Paul Ryan’s chess move has at least put a limit on the number of checks in the Obama check book.

Flyovercountry on December 12, 2013 at 1:12 PM

.
How is committing to spending another 1 trillion dollars over the
next decade (all of the “cuts” are Democratic promises NOT included in the law) “some sort of budgetary constraint”?

PolAgnostic on December 12, 2013 at 1:46 PM

This is what happens when you leave people out to dry on the shutdown, they are liable to not listen to you anymore. Of course, that wouldn’t matter to these yahoos that somehow think suicide charges are a way to win the battle let alone the war.

eva3071 on December 12, 2013 at 1:39 PM

You’re either a Straight-Up LIAR, or too ignorant to be allowed to SPEAK!

NO ONE was “left out to dry” in “the shutdown” – PARTICULARLY in The Government…….the only exception was THE PUBLIC who had to CLIMB OVER BARACK OBAMA’s BARRICADES that he SPENT UNBUDGETED MONEY to put in place….

williamg on December 12, 2013 at 1:47 PM

As “conservative,” because it cuts spending by .00001%?

Akzed on December 12, 2013 at 1:46 PM

It does not cut spending.

besser tot als rot on December 12, 2013 at 1:47 PM

As if the news were not bad enough with Boehner decalaring war on conservatives. Now the clowns are coming out…….

Mike Huckabee today ended his daily radio show heard on 200 stations across the nation, the first obvious sign that he is considering another presidential bid in what is shaping up to be a jammed 2016 GOP primary.

Happy Nomad on December 12, 2013 at 1:47 PM

Same to you. If we were in a trench, I would stab you in the back at the first opportunity since we are enemies.

eva3071 on December 12, 2013 at 1:45 PM

I would protect your life, gnatbrain, but there’s NO way you’d ever be in my back.

How disgusting you are.

Schadenfreude on December 12, 2013 at 1:47 PM

Amusement.

eva3071 on December 12, 2013 at 1:45 PM

Well, people are laughing at you, so mission accomplished!

besser tot als rot on December 12, 2013 at 1:48 PM

Boehner is worthy of a good deal of criticism but he’s also correct that a few of these hard right groups have turned into pains in the rectum and mindless obstructionists.

rplat on December 12, 2013 at 1:48 PM

Conservatives are the enemy and GOP leadership will even go so far as to take money from the far left to wage their war against the base of the party.

When taken in context of the Republican Study Committee firing their conservative executive director, Paul Teller, and Speaker Boehner attacking everyone who disagrees with Paul Ryan’s ill-conceived budget compromise, it is obvious that the GOP has decided that conservatives, not the Democrats, are the real enemy. LaTourette’s close relationship with Speaker Boehner is a damned good hint that his Democrat funded super-PAC is not a rogue operation.

Wigglesworth on December 12, 2013 at 1:48 PM

If Boehner passes this, and it looks like he will, does he have the poltical capital to get conservatives behind the amnesty scheme the surrender caucus is pushing?

Happy Nomad on December 12, 2013 at 1:49 PM

Same to you. If we were in a trench, I would stab you in the back at the first opportunity since we are enemies.

eva3071 on December 12, 2013 at 1:45 PM

John Boehner? Is that you?

besser tot als rot on December 12, 2013 at 1:50 PM

Goog get, williamg:

Peter Schweizer, the author of Extortion: How Politicians Extract Your Money, Buy Votes, and Line Their Own Pockets, predicted on Breitbart News Sunday on Sirius XM Patriot channel 125 that there will be a lot of “squealing” in Congress when the public puts pressure on lawmakers to ban congressional “leadership PACs” that are used as slush funds. He called on his critics to “refute the facts” and the evidence in his book.

“There’s going to be some legislative action as it relates to these slush funds… in the Senate and the House,” he predicted. “As a result, there’s going to be a lot of squealing. They’re not going to give up their slush funds.”

Speaking to host and Breitbart News Executive Chairman Stephen K. Bannon, Schweizer, the Breitbart News Senior Editor-at-Large and Government Accountability Institute president, reflected on the blowback from official Washington in the first week that his book came out and rocketed to the top of the Amazon.com best-seller list.

In Extortion, Schweizer makes the argument that lawmakers in Washington use their positions of power to extort money from individuals and corporations to subsidize their lavish lifestyles. As was profiled on 60 Minutes, he discovered how lawmakers are legally allowed to use their “leadership PACs” as slush funds. He also revealed details about House Speaker John Boehner’s (R-OH) “tollbooths” in which corporations must donate large sums of money to get legislation moved. He has also revealed never-before-seen top secret “price lists” for committee assignments in Congress.

In response to the book, a Boehner spokesman said Schweizer should “probably read ‘Congress for Dummies’ before he starts making bogus and salacious claims to sell books.”

On Breitbart News Sunday, Schweizer called on Boehner to “refute the facts.” He also said the highly personalized nature of the attacks indicates that his research has “definitely caught a nerve” and is proof that, contrary to the suggestion that he buy Congress for Dummies, “we are exposing exactly what is going on.”

“Tell us why the facts are wrong,” he said. “Do you want us to believe that repeatedly, the night before a vote is to be scheduled, that 35 checks from one corporation just happen to show up because all these executives are good-natured…?”

Akzed on December 12, 2013 at 1:50 PM

Same to you. If we were in a trench, I would stab you in the back at the first opportunity since we are enemies.

eva3071 on December 12, 2013 at 1:45 PM

Well, at least one has to appreciate the clarity.

ElectricPhase on December 12, 2013 at 1:50 PM

Same to you. If we were in a trench, I would stab you in the back at the first opportunity since we are enemies.

eva3071 on December 12, 2013 at 1:45 PM

Of course you are “eva’ – with the same name a Hitler’s Wife…..

As a Nazi - YOU are the enemy of ALL People who Fight for Liberty and Freedom….

williamg on December 12, 2013 at 1:50 PM

Same to you. If we were in a trench, I would stab you in the back at the first opportunity since we are enemies.

eva3071 on December 12, 2013 at 1:45 PM

This is a RINO, for the annals of HA history, in front of your eyes.

You are now similar to the lowest of low scums on HA, lostmotherland.

Go find a ditch to die in.

lostmotherland on December 21, 2012 at 6:49 PM

Sooner or later the leftists reveal themselves. It’s a beauty to watch. You are fish in big nets.

Schadenfreude on December 12, 2013 at 1:51 PM

Nobody told me we got a new establishment troll to play with!?!

AllahsNippleHair on December 12, 2013 at 1:51 PM

So, we can put you into the go along to get along column, then? What principles do you stand for? Do you belong to the no labels gang?
Who let Joan Huntsman register here?

AllahsNippleHair on December 12, 2013 at 1:43 PM

Since you asked, the principle I believe in is that the results justifies the means.

besser tot als rot on December 12, 2013 at 1:43 PM

No plan is better than a plan that leaves us off worse politically than before. And we did have a plan, which was to delay it rather than the quixotic quest of defunding it.

eva3071 on December 12, 2013 at 1:51 PM

Why is that exit question terrifying? I’m with Boehner on this one.

It’s gotten to the point where I am seriously questioning whether Democrats are actually funding Heritage Action and FreedomWorks. Certainly they are the biggest beneficiaries of this continuing circular firing squad among conservatives.

I must have missed the national convention that declared these groups the arbiters of conservatism.

rockmom on December 12, 2013 at 1:10 PM

1. The firing squad is circular only because our representatives in Washington have turned around to fire on their constituencies.

2. Who declared you arbiter of my opinions or values or needs? It seems clear to me that those who share my views are now in the minority in this country, and that those elected officials in Washington who are there ostensibly to represent my interests and the values that serve all the citizenry are expending all of their efforts in a rear guard action defending the (narrow) economic interests of their wealthiest benefactors. Hence the acquiesence on the sequester.
Perhaps you think the Republicans are behaving pragmatically; you see them taking what they can get and biding their time ’til things are in their favor.
There were pragmatists like this in the Warsaw Ghetto also.

M240H on December 12, 2013 at 1:51 PM

Mike Huckabee today ended his daily radio show heard on 200 stations across the nation, the first obvious sign that he is considering another presidential bid in what is shaping up to be a jammed 2016 GOP primary.

Happy Nomad on December 12, 2013 at 1:47 PM

I’m sure a certain ignorant, well-meaning segment of the GOP will get excited about this.

aryeung on December 12, 2013 at 1:51 PM

Buh Bye,Boehnhead!

redware on December 12, 2013 at 1:52 PM

We do have to remain vigilant about amnesty and minimum wage.
Zomcon JEM on December 12, 2013 at 1:43 PM

Like you were about taxes, health care, and spending cuts before.

And when those topics come up, as before, you will piss your pants and cave to Obama.

northdallasthirty on December 12, 2013 at 1:52 PM

Boehner is worthy of a good deal of criticism but he’s also correct that a few of these hard right groups have turned into pains in the rectum and mindless obstructionists.

rplat on December 12, 2013 at 1:48 PM

Those on the uncompromising right are uncompromising because the GOP leadership has lied to and sold them out so many times. This conservative distrust in the GOP has been cultivated by the GOP for decades and is well earned. Some uncompromising conservatives feel that if you give the GOP an inch, they take a mile. So, they cannot be given an inch.

besser tot als rot on December 12, 2013 at 1:52 PM

Of course you are “eva’ – with the same name a Hitler’s Wife…..

As a Nazi – YOU are the enemy of ALL People who Fight for Liberty and Freedom….

williamg on December 12, 2013 at 1:50 PM

o.O

aryeung on December 12, 2013 at 1:53 PM

Boehner is worthy of a good deal of criticism but he’s also correct that a few of these hard right groups have turned into pains in the rectum and mindless obstructionists.

rplat on December 12, 2013 at 1:48 PM

…..says…..Harry Reid!!

williamg on December 12, 2013 at 1:53 PM

uh, good get…

Akzed on December 12, 2013 at 1:53 PM

Canopfor, nice to be back. Thanks. Hope you’re well.

Rock mom, usually I think you’re spot on and very clear headed with everything.

However, I don’t care if john b has a 90 percent acu rating. We are coming to a pivotal point in this nations history, and he has shown very little chutzpah. It’s easy to get a 90 percent rating. I want him to be there when it counts.

blatantblue on December 12, 2013 at 1:40 PM

blatantblue: Everything is good, and to you as well, i hope:)

canopfor on December 12, 2013 at 1:53 PM

can you imagine during the last government shutdown if we had our house and senate GOP leaders making the case for cutting spending to get public opinion on our side. So they joined democrats (this is clever, voting to shut the government down, then basically taking the position it was Ted Cruz & mike lees fault and those bad tea party conservatives).

So the last shutdown, you had Obamasatan, dingy harry, Pelosi, McConnell, boner and all the media against two senators and about 50 congressman.

boner, McConnal, Rove, fox news etc. didn’t want to give Cruz, lee, conservatives support to kill Obamacare. Fast forward, two months, all these Rino’s are going nuts on every liveshot to kill obamacare.

They think we conservatives with principle are idiots!

Danielvito on December 12, 2013 at 1:54 PM

No plan is better than a plan that leaves us off worse politically than before. And we did have a plan, which was to delay it rather than the quixotic quest of defunding it.

eva3071 on December 12, 2013 at 1:51 PM

Who is this we, and when did they publish their plan?

aryeung on December 12, 2013 at 1:54 PM

This ‘debate’ on the legislation is a clown show. I’m going back to Rush as this is draining valuable cells from my brain. Just so know, every dems is screaming for unemployment extensions.

It’s Christmas!1, It’s cold!!!, It’s heartless!11!, It’s not their fault!!!11!!, Republicans are cruel!!1!!

DanMan on December 12, 2013 at 1:54 PM

Hey, not a bad catch, eva3071, for being “delusional”. My fishing for the day is done. I can now just sit back and relax.

Axelturd is not as smart as they credit him to be.

Schadenfreude on December 12, 2013 at 1:54 PM

So, we can put you into the go along to get along column, then? What principles do you stand for? Do you belong to the no labels gang?
Who let Joan Huntsman register here?

AllahsNippleHair on December 12, 2013 at 1:43 PM

Since you asked, the principle I believe in is that the results justifies the means.

eva3071 on December 12, 2013 at 1:51 PM

That’s not a principle.
What do you believe in regarding the government?

AllahsNippleHair on December 12, 2013 at 1:54 PM

Boehner is worthy of a good deal of criticism but he’s also correct that a few of these hard right groups have turned into pains in the rectum and mindless obstructionists.

rplat on December 12, 2013 at 1:48 PM

All the more so because Boehner and the GOP leadership seem to be deaf to all but the so-called Republican moderates. He’s turned hostile to anybody who dares question the RINO caucus. He stakes out mendacious positions and then attacks anybody who dares challenge them. This is not leadership.

Happy Nomad on December 12, 2013 at 1:54 PM

“I’m as conservative as anybody around this place.”

Well, at least the first problem has been identified.

socalcon on December 12, 2013 at 1:55 PM

Same to you. If we were in a trench, I would stab you in the back at the first opportunity since we are enemies. eva3071 on December 12, 2013 at 1:45 PM

Allah, threat of violence, please ban.

Akzed on December 12, 2013 at 1:55 PM

This is a con from both sides.

The Establishment = Good Cop

PACS = Bad Cop

This way, Barry and The Dems can’t get in on the media action.

budfox on December 12, 2013 at 1:55 PM

As soon as you tell us how conservative you are, you exhibit that you aren’t

jaydee_007 on December 12, 2013 at 1:56 PM

Schadenfreude on December 12, 2013 at 1:47 PM

No you wouldn’t. That’s the whole point of being enemies. You made consistently clear what you think of those who don’t take a hardline position like you and your cohorts do, so the sooner we purge you from the party, the better.

Of course you are “eva’ – with the same name a Hitler’s Wife…..

As a Nazi – YOU are the enemy of ALL People who Fight for Liberty and Freedom….

williamg on December 12, 2013 at 1:50 PM

Godwin’s law in action, I see.

eva3071 on December 12, 2013 at 1:56 PM

It does not cut spending. besser tot als rot on December 12, 2013 at 1:47 PM

Its advocates said it cuts $23B in two years, which of course would be swallowed up in interest on the rest of the borrowing contained in it.

Akzed on December 12, 2013 at 1:56 PM

aryeung on December 12, 2013 at 1:54 PM

The Vichy Republicans.

kingsjester on December 12, 2013 at 1:57 PM

No plan is better than a plan that leaves us off worse politically than before. And we did have a plan, which was to delay it rather than the quixotic quest of defunding it.

eva3071 on December 12, 2013 at 1:51 PM

The political position of the Republican party is supposed to be a means to better government, not an end unto itself. If they give us worse government by being complicit in spending more money, raising taxes, making it easier to raise further taxes, pass amnesty, etc., etc. Then what good, exactly, is their political position to me or this country?

besser tot als rot on December 12, 2013 at 1:57 PM

eva3071 on December 12, 2013 at 1:56 PM

MJBrutus…is that you?

kingsjester on December 12, 2013 at 1:57 PM

so the sooner we purge you from the party, the better.

eva3071 on December 12, 2013 at 1:56 PM

What happened to the big tent?

aryeung on December 12, 2013 at 1:58 PM

No plan is better than a plan that leaves us off worse politically than before. And we did have a plan, which was to delay it rather than the quixotic quest of defunding it.

eva3071 on December 12, 2013 at 1:51 PM

Who is this we, and when did they publish their plan?

aryeung on December 12, 2013 at 1:54 PM

Let’s see. Ted Cruz and Mike Lee were asking to defund or delay.
Your side of the party were going around attacking their own party and saying the ACA was the ‘law of the land.’
Not much fight there. Or a plan, unless putting on knee pads is a plan.
Maybe that’s your principle.

AllahsNippleHair on December 12, 2013 at 1:59 PM

These folks are throwing in the towel on the sequester, the only thing they have done in decades that actually reduced the rate of spending. These folks have proven untrustworthy and it is their job to convince us, not kick us in the teeth when we question them going back on their stated goals. We haven’t lied to them, they have lied to us. And been continually rewarded for it.

Cindy Munford on December 12, 2013 at 1:59 PM

Same to you. If we were in a trench, I would stab you in the back at the first opportunity since we are enemies.

eva3071 on December 12, 2013 at 1:45 PM

Allah, threat of violence, please ban.

Akzed on December 12, 2013 at 1:55 PM

No, no, no. Let’s keep it around; it could provide some needed, albeit unintended,comic relief. I mean, who knew McConnell had his own Howdy Doo-Doo?

M240H on December 12, 2013 at 1:59 PM

Hey eva3071… the Republican party is yours to destroy. When the party is completely irrelevant, I’m sure you’ll be thrilled. The Democrats will LOVE you then.. they’ll REALLY LOVE YOU.

tyketto on December 12, 2013 at 2:00 PM

Let me state it this way:

Below are examples of Moderate / Establishment Republican Stupidity

Example 1:

I am against raising minimal wages because Americans will lose jobs, BUT I am for Amnesty.

Example 2:

I still support the invasion of Iraq and building schools, roads and infrastructure there, BUT I am not for doing that in America.

Example 3:

Israel should protect their borders with a wall, BUT America should not.

Example 4:

I support the constitution, BUT I support NSA spying on Americans, secrete courts, more gun control

There are plenty of others obviously…It is hard to trust people who always have such contradictory views of the world. I know the Dems do as well, but that sort of the point here. We all have contradictions, but there is a point that is reached when people think you are a lying to them. Obama has hit that limit as we have seen, and Boehner and his wing of the GOP hit it at the tail end of the Bush years and have never regained the trust.

William Eaton on December 12, 2013 at 2:00 PM

Akzed on December 12, 2013 at 1:56 PM

According to Hinderacker, the “cuts” don’t show up until the last of the ten years. Interpretation……never going to happen.

Cindy Munford on December 12, 2013 at 2:00 PM

Let’s see. Ted Cruz and Mike Lee were asking to defund or delay.
Your side of the party were going around attacking their own party and saying the ACA was the ‘law of the land.’
Not much fight there. Or a plan, unless putting on knee pads is a plan.
Maybe that’s your principle.

AllahsNippleHair on December 12, 2013 at 1:59 PM

For as much heat as Cruz and Lee got, I never saw a clear plan from the Republican leadership in either the House or the Senate. I didn’t even realize the official goal was “delay.”

aryeung on December 12, 2013 at 2:01 PM

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Republicans are split on whether to support the Ryan Murray #budgetdeal – Where do you stand? http://www.defensenews.com/article/201312
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canopfor on December 12, 2013 at 2:01 PM

Allah, threat of violence, please ban.

Akzed on December 12, 2013 at 1:55 PM

NO, please don’t ban. Conservatives and indies stand for freedom of speech. It’s very revealing to have Eva Braun in front of our eyes.

Better to know one’s enemies, especially those stupid enough to declare themselves such.

DO NOT BAN. I insist – it’s imperative to protect total freedom of speech, especially that of the lowest among us.

Schadenfreude on December 12, 2013 at 2:01 PM

We haven’t lied to them, they have lied to us. And been continually rewarded for it.

Cindy Munford on December 12, 2013 at 1:59 PM

But will people here say, “enough is enough” and refuse to vote for those that protect Boehner?

aryeung on December 12, 2013 at 2:01 PM

Put this in the left column already! :)

22044 on December 12, 2013 at 2:03 PM

And we did have a plan, which was to delay it rather than the quixotic quest of defunding it.

eva3071 on December 12, 2013 at 1:51 PM

Also, I’d point out that your plan of delay would have put the GOP in a much worse political position than it is now. Without Obamacare being implemented on schedule the GOP would be floundering badly – because that is the natural state of a party whose political strategy is to imitate its opposition. Instead, the GOP is on the record as having gone to the mat to try and stop what people now hate with a passion: Obamacare. The people will recognize the GOP as prescient if they play it right (they won’t).

besser tot als rot on December 12, 2013 at 2:03 PM

Let’s see. Ted Cruz and Mike Lee were asking to defund or delay.
Your side of the party were going around attacking their own party and saying the ACA was the ‘law of the land.’
Not much fight there. Or a plan, unless putting on knee pads is a plan.
Maybe that’s your principle.

AllahsNippleHair on December 12, 2013 at 1:59 PM

For as much heat as Cruz and Lee got, I never saw a clear plan from the Republican leadership in either the House or the Senate. I didn’t even realize the official goal was “delay.”

aryeung on December 12, 2013 at 2:01 PM

I was aiming the cannon at Establishment Barbie. Yes, they were for defund or delay.

AllahsNippleHair on December 12, 2013 at 2:04 PM

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