Axelrod: I think the real lesson we can draw from ObamaCare is just not to “speak in absolutes”

posted at 8:51 am on December 12, 2013 by Erika Johnsen

Most people, upon finding themselves in an egregiously deep hole, would just stop digging — but not these guys. President Obama is taking an approval-ratings beating in just about every recent poll out there, with the NBC/WSJ poll that Matthews references pegging Americans’ faith in his honesty and straightforwardness at just 37 percent. The “if you like it, you can keep it” promise is completely exploded, not to mention the gradual chipping away at that pesky little “affordable” part of the grand myth as Americans are discovering their “improved” situations under the law’s new reality — both of which were features, not incidental and unforeseeable side effects, of the law. …And yet, the lesson Axelrod is taking out of all of this is, Hey, President Obama has been completely honest throughout this entire thing, but next time we try to remake one-sixth of the economy in our own grossly incompetent image, we’ll be more careful not to speak in “absolutes,” because there will always be “exceptions. All of the exceptions. Via RCP:

I think part of it is being honest about it, and he has been honest about it. Part of it is getting it fixed as best that you can. There’s no doubt that that is at the core of the problem when you come to this measure, and I think he was ill-served because I’m sure when he said what he said he believed it. When they put the grandfather clause in, he believed that that would take care of these kinds of transitional problems. It didn’t. And, you know, I think the real lesson here is don’t ever speak in absolutes because there’s always going to be an exception and that exception is going to become an example that your opponents lift up. And in this case, there were many examples.

 


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I see his mouth moving but all I’m hearing are toilets flushing.

NotCoach on December 12, 2013 at 8:58 AM

So speak like a teenage boy trying to get lucky.

meci on December 12, 2013 at 8:59 AM

Using the word “honest” in the same sentence with the name of anyone in this maladministration is a felony. They lie about the lies. Depraved is not too strong a word to use to describe this bunch.

Quartermaster on December 12, 2013 at 9:00 AM

Talk about the outcome you want, not the outcome you got. It is pure propaganda strategy. It makes people like DWS and Axleshaft look like fools to the politically educated, but the LIVs who hear it repeated by the water cooler pundits take it as Dear Leader gospel.

tdarrington on December 12, 2013 at 9:00 AM

Speaking in absolutes exposes lies easier. Using vague language allows the speaker to parse, finesse, and perform linguistic gymnastics to hedge what they said. All Axelrod is proposing is be more clever when lying.

iamsaved on December 12, 2013 at 9:03 AM

Part of it is getting it fixed as best that you can.

A very revealing turn of phrase.

kcewa on December 12, 2013 at 9:03 AM

There’s no doubt that that is at the core of the problem when you come to this measure, and I think he was ill-served because I’m sure when he said what he said he believed it. When they put the grandfather clause in, he believed that that would take care of these kinds of transitional problems. It didn’t. And, you know, I think the real lesson here is…

…obozo’s just really stupid.

Flange on December 12, 2013 at 9:03 AM

Can’t wait for the inevitable, breathtaking backlash.

Akzed on December 12, 2013 at 9:03 AM

I think it’s great that Axelrod admits that obozo is too stupid to understand what’s going on.

Flange on December 12, 2013 at 9:04 AM

Not “Do it right the first time” ?

TimBuk3 on December 12, 2013 at 9:08 AM

Why don’t they start to rebrand it as MandelaCare?……after all Obama and Madela are the same, right?

http://blogs.kcrw.com/whichwayla/2013/12/nelson-mandelas-impact-on-a-young-barack-obama

PappyD61 on December 12, 2013 at 9:13 AM

Don’t be caught in a lie!
Use more weasel words.

vityas on December 12, 2013 at 9:14 AM

Drudge story:

“Administration to bring People Magazine’s “Sexiest Man Alive” Aboard to Sell ObamaCare”

Wonderful use of my tax money.

Marcus on December 12, 2013 at 9:15 AM

I’m more concerned about the administration’s utilization of absolute power in the way of Executive Orders.

Drained Brain on December 12, 2013 at 9:16 AM

IOW, they just need to be better about deceiving people with half-truths rather than flat out lies.

taznar on December 12, 2013 at 9:17 AM

I hate living under a Third World government.

petefrt on December 12, 2013 at 9:18 AM

He’s a filthy, greasy, shiftless, layabout liar.

But then, none of us are surprised at his greasiness, his filthiness, his laziness. It’s what we all expected…

JohnGalt23 on December 12, 2013 at 9:18 AM

Prevaricating putz is prevaricating.

Midas on December 12, 2013 at 9:20 AM

Ax just doesn’t get it. He’s talking about the tactical disadvantage of having one’s enemies point out a mis-statement. The real issue is a fundamental dishonesty to the public.

Surellin on December 12, 2013 at 9:21 AM

Ironically, he is demonstrating where moral relativism leads.

mwbri on December 12, 2013 at 9:26 AM

“Only Siths speak in absolutes.” –George Lucas, philosopher

King B on December 12, 2013 at 9:26 AM

Bwahahahahahahahahahaha

When the sky’s falling, I take shelter under bullshit.

roflmmfao

donabernathy on December 12, 2013 at 9:26 AM

I abhor Adolf Bundy and every other filthy swine that has worked for, and continues to work in, this administration.

VibrioCocci on December 12, 2013 at 9:27 AM

“I think part of it is being honest about it, and he has been honest about it….”,

he said, while lying.

GrassMudHorsey on December 12, 2013 at 9:27 AM

Another Obama Preferred demographic gets mugged by reality…

“And yet another group of Barack Obama’s traditional (or, in this case, traditionally untraditional) allies is upset about ObamaCare: gay and HIV/AIDS activists. They say that the deductibles are so high that those afflicted with HIV/AIDS cannot afford the steep payments for drugs they must take. They say this constitutes “discrimination” against them for a pre-existing condition. Really? Tell that to all the cancer victims who are also now finding out their drugs and treatments will be either too expensive or just won’t happen, because they won’t be able to go to their preferred doctors anymore. That’s discrimination, too, isn’t it? In fact, isn’t the whole ObamaCare program discrimination against middle class Americans, who are now being forced to pay more to foot the bill for the ObamaPhone demographic? Just sayin’…

A coalition of 31 HIV/AIDS organizations is urging the Obama administration to investigate whether some health insurers are trying to discourage HIV-infected patients from enrolling in new policies being sold under the health-care law, a move the groups say could be illegal.

The Affordable Care Act prohibits discrimination against people who are sick; insurers can’t deny them coverage or charge them more than healthier peers. But in a letter to Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius last week, the coalition said it had noticed “a number of disturbing trends” in plans on the insurance exchanges, including plans that don’t cover all available HIV drugs and what it termed “egregious cost-sharing designs.” . . .

Among examples the HIV/AIDS coalition cited:

Aetna Inc. requires patients to pay 50% of the cost, after a drug deductible, for most HIV drugs in Florida. In Florida and some other states, Cigna Corp. CI -1.13% and Aetna’s separate CoventryOne put all HIV drugs—including generics—in a special category, requiring patients to pay 40% to 50% of their cost. That can be thousands of dollars a month.

Humana Inc.’s posted list of covered drugs in Florida and Alabama lists only six HIV drugs; other drugs are on a separate specialty list that shoppers might not know to check, the group says. All require patients to pay 50% of the cost, after a separate drug deductible.

For most drugs, insurers have traditionally required patients to pay only a flat copay, generally $10 to $50. . . . The HIV/AIDS groups haven’t received a response from their Dec. 2 letter, said Robert Greenwald, director of the Center for Health and Law Policy Innovation at Harvard University and co-chair of the coalition. “This matters a lot to people living with HIV,” he said…”

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/67876/gays-hivaid-activists-obamacare-makes-it-too-expensive-to-fight-hivaids-deductibles-too-steep-constitute-discrimination/

workingclass artist on December 12, 2013 at 9:30 AM

No, here’s the real lesson from Obamacare: Government tells you how much they *care* and promises they will take good care of you if only you turnover your money and the running of your lives over to them. Then you get screwed – and they get rich and powerful.

There you go. Your lesson for today!

LilyBart on December 12, 2013 at 9:30 AM

Let me fix that title.

Axelrod: I think the real lesson we can draw from ObamaCare is just not to “speak in absolutes”“tell even bigger lies”.

sadatoni on December 12, 2013 at 9:34 AM

More lies from a lying Chicagoland dirtbag spinning for his flailing liar of a President.

Good Lt on December 12, 2013 at 9:39 AM

Part of it is getting it fixed as best that you can.

Wait…what? Best that you can, we’re talking about people’s lives, families, and fortunes and that’s what this fool has to say.

$700 million and counting and Chrome Dome says “Ah, you know…”

Bishop on December 12, 2013 at 9:40 AM

I think he was ill-served because I’m sure when he said what he said he believed it.

LOL. Sure, Obama believed every word of his own lies. Those strategy sessions in the White House with his top political advisers, in which they discussed whether or not Obama should keep telling the “if you like your plan, you can keep it” lie, those meetings weren’t reported on the t.v. news until about a month ago, so Obama never heard about them until then.

AZCoyote on December 12, 2013 at 9:41 AM

If by he’s “been honest about it” you mean he doesn’t stand behind what he says. So Obama should have just come out and said, “I lied, my history shows a pattern of lying, over and over again, such that I rarely stand behind what I’ve said in the past. Let me be honest about it. You can call me a liar”.

THAT would being “honest about it”.

Paul-Cincy on December 12, 2013 at 9:41 AM

They lie about the lies.

Quartermaster on December 12, 2013 at 9:00 AM

They do! And then when we call them on it, we’re partisan and divisive.

Paul-Cincy on December 12, 2013 at 9:45 AM

They lie about the lies.

Quartermaster on December 12, 2013 at 9:00 AM

They do! And then when we call them on it, we’re partisan and divisive.

Paul-Cincy on December 12, 2013 at 9:45 AM

And raaacist…cause to criticize Preezy Selfie Historical is raaacist or something….

workingclass artist on December 12, 2013 at 9:47 AM

Drudge story:

“Administration to bring People Magazine’s “Sexiest Man Alive” Aboard to Sell ObamaCare”

Wonderful use of my tax money.

Marcus on December 12, 2013 at 9:15 AM

But typical of the Braintrust no?

I guess Matt Damon is out of favor and Beyonce is busy…

workingclass artist on December 12, 2013 at 9:49 AM

And raaacist…cause to criticize Preezy Selfie Historical is raaacist or something….

workingclass artist on December 12, 2013 at 9:47 AM

What does it say about Sebelius that the left doesn’t even bother with cries of “sexist” when she gets criticized?

Flange on December 12, 2013 at 9:51 AM

I think the real lesson here is don’t ever speak in absolutes because there’s always going to be an exception and that exception is going to become an example that your opponents lift up. And in this case, there were many examples.

The problem with this spin is the documented proof that HHS knew that none of this was true long before the 2012 elections and yet the lazy stupid coward was still out there repeating the lies. So for Axelrod’s statement to be true, then Obama was in a complete bubble. If so, then nobody should be madder than he.

To recap the repeated lies Obama made:

Under Obamacare, it turns out that:

You can’t keep your plan.

You can’t keep your doctor.

You can’t keep your meds.

You can’t keep your hospital.

You can’t keep your volunteer fire department.

You can’t afford the healthcare you get and, if not you, some sap is paying for your mooching subsidy.

And, it could well be that you can’t work more than 29 hours a week.

Look at the above list. Any public policy filled with “can’t” is not a good thing. Axelrod is a lying douche covering for the stupid mad idiot in the White House.

Happy Nomad on December 12, 2013 at 9:51 AM

What does it say about Sebelius that the left doesn’t even bother with cries of “sexist” when she gets criticized?

Flange on December 12, 2013 at 9:51 AM

Maybe they don’t realize that Sebelius is (in theory at least) female.

Happy Nomad on December 12, 2013 at 9:52 AM

This strikes me like an abuser who uses a sympathy ploy to win back their victim.

“Poor Obama really was being honest, but was “ill-served” and blindsided by those regulations. It wasn’t his fault, and he never meant to mislead anyone. He sure learned not to do that again. Trust me”.

Look out citizens…they will all abuse you again.

lynncgb on December 12, 2013 at 9:53 AM

I guess Matt Damon is out of favor and Beyonce is busy…

workingclass artist on December 12, 2013 at 9:49 AM

Beyonce is getting ready for that million dollar extravaganza we taxpayers are throwing for Mooch’s 50th birthday. Not that we’re invited.

Happy Nomad on December 12, 2013 at 9:53 AM

Obama never heard about them until then.

AZCoyote on December 12, 2013 at 9:41 AM

And when he found out, nobody was madder.

Happy Nomad on December 12, 2013 at 9:55 AM

Beyonce is getting ready for that million dollar extravaganza we taxpayers are throwing for Mooch’s 50th birthday. Not that we’re invited.

Happy Nomad on December 12, 2013 at 9:53 AM

I was invited though my purpose there is to clear away the gnawed lobster carcasses from Mooch’s plate to make room for the next. Still, free Beyonce concert!

Bishop on December 12, 2013 at 9:57 AM

This strikes me like an abuser who uses a sympathy ploy to win back their victim.

“Poor Obama really was being honest, but was “ill-served” and blindsided by those regulations. It wasn’t his fault, and he never meant to mislead anyone. He sure learned not to do that again. Trust me”.

Look out citizens…they will all abuse you again.

lynncgb on December 12, 2013 at 9:53 AM

It’s like having a spouse who lies all the time, and lies to cover up the lies, and the trust is gone, but you’re so invested in it you’re either unwilling or unable to walk away from it. It’s a bad situation.

Paul-Cincy on December 12, 2013 at 9:57 AM

Considering that Libs are so comfortable morphing the definitions of words: Does ‘absolutes’ for Axlerod mean ‘English’?

socalcon on December 12, 2013 at 9:58 AM

I’m sure when he said what he said he believed it.

Well, this narrows down my choices. If Axelrod is correct then it basically means Obama is an ideologically rigid, self-delusional idiot.

DaveDief on December 12, 2013 at 10:00 AM

I was invited though my purpose there is to clear away the gnawed lobster carcasses from Mooch’s plate to make room for the next. Still, free Beyonce concert!

Bishop on December 12, 2013 at 9:57 AM

Don’t they have a general or admiral to do that?

Flange on December 12, 2013 at 10:02 AM

And raaacist…cause to criticize Preezy Selfie Historical is raaacist or something….

workingclass artist on December 12, 2013 at 9:47 AM

What does it say about Sebelius that the left doesn’t even bother with cries of “sexist” when she gets criticized?

Flange on December 12, 2013 at 9:51 AM

Well let’s look at Liberal the preferred group roster…

1. Blacks

2. Gays

3. Hispanics

4. Unions

5. Marxists

6. Muslims

7. Women

My oh my… From atop their illustrious perch they have fallen during the age of Obama…

workingclass artist on December 12, 2013 at 10:07 AM

Beyonce is getting ready for that million dollar extravaganza we taxpayers are throwing for Mooch’s 50th birthday. Not that we’re invited.

Happy Nomad on December 12, 2013 at 9:53 AM

Pity.

Well if I get an invite I won’t attend cause it aint’ kosher.

workingclass artist on December 12, 2013 at 10:10 AM

I was invited though my purpose there is to clear away the gnawed lobster carcasses from Mooch’s plate to make room for the next. Still, free Beyonce concert!

Bishop on December 12, 2013 at 9:57 AM

Don’t they have a general or admiral to do that?

Flange on December 12, 2013 at 10:02 AM

Nah…They hold umbrellas.

Union does cleanup.

Sí, se puede!

workingclass artist on December 12, 2013 at 10:12 AM

Yet more lies and disinformation. They can’t stop.
Obama & his gang deliberately spoke in “absolutes” to get Obamacare passed.
They’ve learned no lesson, only confirmation that big lies can work as they expect.

Chessplayer on December 12, 2013 at 10:15 AM

Axelrod: I think the real lesson we can draw from ObamaCare is just not to “speak in absolutes”, Period.

Fixed it.

TerryW on December 12, 2013 at 10:17 AM

I was invited though my purpose there is to clear away the gnawed lobster carcasses from Mooch’s plate to make room for the next. Still, free Beyonce concert!

Bishop on December 12, 2013 at 9:57 AM

Be sure to wear safety gloves. It would hurt should your fingers be get caught up in the vortex between the trough and Mooch’s face.

Happy Nomad on December 12, 2013 at 10:17 AM

Well if I get an invite I won’t attend cause it aint’ kosher.

workingclass artist on December 12, 2013 at 10:10 AM

What about this administration has been kosher?

Happy Nomad on December 12, 2013 at 10:19 AM

Yet more lies and disinformation. They can’t stop.
Obama & his gang deliberately spoke in “absolutes” to get Obamacare passed.
They’ve learned no lesson, only confirmation that big lies can work as they expect.

Chessplayer on December 12, 2013 at 10:15 AM

This administration is like a child being caught in a lie. They either fess up or deny it by telling another lie. All of that has snowballed to the point where the lies are becoming self-evident.

Happy Nomad on December 12, 2013 at 10:21 AM

•”The man who refuses to judge, who neither agrees nor disagrees, who declares that there are no absolutes and believes that he escapes responsibility, is the man responsible for all the blood that is now spilled in the world.”
-Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

aunursa on December 12, 2013 at 10:26 AM

Well if I get an invite I won’t attend cause it aint’ kosher.

workingclass artist on December 12, 2013 at 10:10 AM

What about this administration has been kosher?

Happy Nomad on December 12, 2013 at 10:19 AM

nothing…But this administration is very hallal

workingclass artist on December 12, 2013 at 10:45 AM

Translation: “Tell better lies”.

albill on December 12, 2013 at 10:47 AM

When they put the grandfather clause in, he believed that that would take care of these kinds of transitional problems. It didn’t.

When “they” put the grandfather clause in? Who changed the grandfather clause, so that people lost insurance, Ax? Sebelius, back in 2010!!!

Sebelius knew back in 2010 that lots of people would lose their health insurance because of Obamacare, and watched Obama campaign on absolutes like “if you like your health plan, you can keep your health plan, period” for over two years.

So, either Sebelius didn’t tell Obama that people would lose their insurance and watched Obama make a false promise, hoping that Obama would be re-elected and she could keep her job, or Sebelius did tell Obama and Obama deliberately lied to the American people.

The real question becomes: Who lied, Sebelius or Obama?

Steve Z on December 12, 2013 at 10:50 AM

And in this case, there were many examples.

Oh yeah, ain’t that the truth! But, examples of what? Incompetence? or Dishonesty? Both? (Since there’s plenty of examples.)

GWB on December 12, 2013 at 10:52 AM

Axelrod says Obama is as honest as the day is long…And Axelrod is also know as a championship liar.

What to believe? One Liar, or the other lair?

dockywocky on December 12, 2013 at 11:06 AM

And, you know, I think the real lesson here is don’t ever speak in absolutes because there’s always going to be an exception …

Axelrod, you are absolutely an exceptional sack of lying sh**.

M240H on December 12, 2013 at 11:16 AM

Let’s try to look at this without any bias. Obama’s success as a speaker is exactly because he does speak in absolutes. He will not stop doing so because of his healthcare promise turned out not to be true. So, Axelrod’s statement is irrelevant.

thuja on December 12, 2013 at 11:21 AM

And, you know, I think the real lesson here is don’t ever speak in absolutes because there’s always going to be an exception and that exception is going to become an example that your opponents lift up.

Note the complete lack of a tiny bit of concern for the American people and their healthcare.

Herb on December 12, 2013 at 11:33 AM

I think when Nimrod … excuse me, Axelrod … shaved off his porn ‘stache, some of his brain leaked out.

RebeccaH on December 12, 2013 at 11:40 AM

“Honesty”? Axelturf wants to talk about “honesty”?

HAhahahahahahahahaha!!!! Gasp! Wheeze! Yer killin’ me!

GarandFan on December 12, 2013 at 11:41 AM

The lesson to take from this is, of course, nothing like Axelrod and Idiots Associated think it is.

Quartermaster on December 12, 2013 at 11:47 AM

“Only Siths speak in absolutes.” –George Lucas, philosopher
King B on December 12, 2013 at 9:26 AM

A statement which is itself an absolute. “No absolutes” is an absolute. Welcome to the law of non-contradiction.

tommyboy on December 12, 2013 at 11:49 AM

Clown

ultracon on December 12, 2013 at 11:50 AM

The democrat strategy:

make blatant lies to get a bill passed and if found out after it passes, deny any lying but say that the lesson learned is not to speak in “absolutes”.

Chessplayer on December 12, 2013 at 11:50 AM

I do a lot of new hire orientations, and most are young people between 18 and 25. When we get to the benefits portion, I explain our insurance plan (which our company chose to continue this year), and these young people have nothing good to say about Obamacare or Obama. I just let them talk and then move on, but I haven’t talked to any Obama supporters in a long time, young or old.

lea on December 12, 2013 at 11:52 AM

Axelrod doesn’t understand the first rule of holes.

Bevan on December 12, 2013 at 12:15 PM

What a horrible, horrible, person axelrod is.

KMC1 on December 12, 2013 at 12:30 PM

This is one of those stories where you start laughing when you see the headline….

There Goes the Neighborhood on December 12, 2013 at 12:35 PM

Axelrod: I think the real lesson we can draw from ObamaCare is just not to “speak in absolutes”

For all the catastrophic damage Obamacare is doing to the people of this country, this idiot thinks that the “real lesson” is to not speak in absolutes?

cajunpatriot on December 12, 2013 at 1:39 PM

Wow … you don’t even have to draw a mustache on this dude! Anyway, Obama lied, people died will be the new mantra of the PPACA.

mel23059 on December 12, 2013 at 2:21 PM

Alternative lessons-

Read the bill and understand it before you vote on it.

If you make something illegal, but tell people they can still get it, you’ll be wrong.

If you add a whole bunch of expensive bells and whistles to a product, it will cost more than a product without a lot of bells and whistles.

If you hire someone to do a difficult job, just because he’s your friend and not because he has any idea of what he’s doing, the job won’t get done.

But Obama probably won’t even manage to learn not to speak in absolutes.

talkingpoints on December 12, 2013 at 4:56 PM

Axelgrease is lying, just as Obama certainly knew he was lying when he said, “If you like your plan, you can keep your plan, period.” Further, the “grandfather clause” was never intended to allow people to keep their existing plans because the Affordable Care Act language already provided for that. The “grandfather clause” added restrictions to that language so that plans could not be retained. Not adding the clause would have done a better job of protecting Americans with individual health insurance policies.

Colony14 on December 12, 2013 at 5:50 PM

It’s easier to lie to the public when you don’t speak in absolutes, ehh, Axelrut?!

The Nerve on December 13, 2013 at 3:09 AM