Report: There’s a nasty bit of the budget deal that makes tax hikes easier to pass

posted at 10:11 pm on December 11, 2013 by Mary Katharine Ham

Like month-old tuna surprise at my public school, a Congressional budget deal is one that elicits doubt at first glance, a gag upon closer inspection, and full-on dry heaving for days after you get really into the meat of it.

Jonathan Strong at National Review has been talking to Senate sources who say there’s a surprise in here for sure. It’s a bit of procedural jujitsu that’s hard to follow, which is why it’s such a great way to go about a power grab. As Democrats have learned under President Obama, no one cares about egregious power grabs as long as they’re done via sort of arcane procedural maneuvers. The primary hope for preventing, say, the president declaring the Senate in recess when it’s not so he can make recess appointments or enforcing all the parts of the law he calls his legacy used to be the gentleman’s agreement known as lawfulness. Once that’s violated, the strategy is to a) hope someone has standing to sue and three years later wins that case long after the power has been grabbed, which is pretty ineffective or b) that the press will flood the zone so the American people are made to care about a process story. Option b) is how Valerie Plame became a story for the ages or how the filibuster question came to be polled and on the front page of the Washington Post in 2005. Option b) pretty much doesn’t exist under a Democratic president.

So, here we have what looks like another power grab, and one with a prominent conservative’s name on it:

Senate Republicans scrubbing the Ryan-Murray budget deal have come across a little-noticed provision that will limit the GOP’s ability to block tax increases in future years.

The bill includes language from the Senate Democrats’ budget to void a budget “point of order” against replacing the sequester cuts with tax increases.

The process is quite complicated, but in practice it grants Harry Reid the authority to send tax increases to the House with a bare majority, rather than the 60 vote threshold that would be required under the point of order.

The provision has angered key Republican Senators. Reeling from Harry Reid’s unprecedented use of the “nuclear option” to end the filibuster on presidential nominations, they are incredulous that Paul Ryan would have backed another limit to their power.

“This is an appalling power grab that should never have been allowed to be in a final agreement. It’s essentially the ‘nuclear option’ part two, eroding minority rights in the Senate even further. Harry Reid must be very happy,” a Senate GOP aide says.

Read the rest for Strong’s explanation of the procedural intricacies.

Update: A good discussion on Twitter about exactly what this would change and where pressure would come to bear (click through to read the exchange):

The perils of negotiating with Senate Democrats:

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You mean the bad deal is a bad deal?

I would never have guessed that a bunch of RINOs are telling the conservatives to go fewk themselves – just like they’ve done since we gave them all three branches and they acted just like democrats.

Wino on December 11, 2013 at 10:13 PM

Stupid wonk. Blank stare Murray hosed you.

RovesChins on December 11, 2013 at 10:15 PM

Paul Ryan….You are off my Christmas list…

Electrongod on December 11, 2013 at 10:15 PM

Screw off the bloody lot of ‘em…

Sick to death of this crap…

Scrumpy on December 11, 2013 at 10:15 PM

How does anyone know what’s in it? It hasn’t passed yet.

Waldo on December 11, 2013 at 10:16 PM

America is dead, she just doesn’t know it

YET!

Scrumpy on December 11, 2013 at 10:17 PM

Sick to death of this crap…

Scrumpy on December 11, 2013 at 10:15 PM

It’s like ObamaCare..

Must pass it to see what’s in it.

Electrongod on December 11, 2013 at 10:17 PM

I have had it up to my eyeballs

ENOUGH already!

Scrumpy on December 11, 2013 at 10:18 PM

Hush, Mary Katherine, they want to focus like a lazer beam on Obamacare. Oh, and define “prominent conservative”, please. Sounds like a media term for anyone to the right of Lenin.

Cindy Munford on December 11, 2013 at 10:18 PM

The only answer is to neuter these fools by stripping them all of power via an Article V convention as outlined in Mark Levin’s new book, Liberty and Tyranny.

http://www.articlevcaucus.com

Charlemagne on December 11, 2013 at 10:18 PM

Ryan defends the airline security fees in his bill: “We think that the users should pay for the services that they’re using.”

The Gropestapo doesn’t do services; they do molesting. Fool ! Do you also think rape victims should pay their rapist? Should we pay a service fee to the N-Stasi-A for monitoring our phone calls, emails and credit cards? Fool ! Pervert ! Creep !

VorDaj on December 11, 2013 at 10:18 PM

Cindy Munford on December 11, 2013 at 10:18 PM

If they want to focus on Obamacare then they need to pull all the amnesty talk from their eyes.

Charlemagne on December 11, 2013 at 10:19 PM

Baahahaahahaha I love that the GOP ties the noose around its own neck. No better ending.

SouthernGent on December 11, 2013 at 10:19 PM

The provision has angered key Republican Senators. Reeling from Harry Reid’s unprecedented use of the “nuclear option” to end the filibuster on presidential nominations, they are incredulous that Paul Ryan would have backed another limit to their power.

McCain pee’d his diaper.
This is what you get from RINOS.
Swallow hard.

RovesChins on December 11, 2013 at 10:19 PM

I agree with Scrumpy about the taxes.

SparkPlug on December 11, 2013 at 10:20 PM

Oh damn. Like when Biden beat up Ryan in debate, another blank headed Democrat kicked Ryan around on the budget deal. How do you lose to Patty Murray? I’m not even sure she’s alive.

MTF on December 11, 2013 at 10:20 PM

I agree with Roves Chins about the diaper.

SparkPlug on December 11, 2013 at 10:20 PM

We demolish the sequester, increase spending, raise taxes fees AND make it easier for Democrats to raise taxes in the future for… well nothing really. Except the privilege of not having to watch our leaders wet themselves at the possibility of another government shutdown. Great!

Valkyriepundit on December 11, 2013 at 10:22 PM

…stupidass!

KOOLAID2 on December 11, 2013 at 10:22 PM

When do the ‘fireworks’ begin?

It’s beyond time for this celebration to get underway.

Midas on December 11, 2013 at 10:22 PM

Why do our guys always get rolled?

El_Terrible on December 11, 2013 at 10:23 PM

Danica Patrick in her showgirl costume could have cut a better deal than Eddie Munster did. Danica for Congress!

MTF on December 11, 2013 at 10:23 PM

House Republicans “capitulated” in agreeing to the two-year budget deal reached last night and left the country to deal with an unsustainable fiscal situation until the peak of the presidential primaries in 2015, when nothing will get done, former federal budget director David Stockman told CNBC on Wednesday.

“First, let’s be clear—it’s a joke and betrayal,” Stockman, who served under President Ronald Reagan, said on “Squawk on the Street.” “It’s the final surrender of the House Republican leadership to Beltway politics and kicking the can and ignoring the budget monster that’s hurtling down the road.”

Stockman added that the budget deal means lawmakers would take a “two-year vacation” from dealing with the country’s fiscal situation and revisit it in 2015 at around the same time as the Iowa straw polls. Without an incumbent in the presidential race, both political parties will be too busy to touch the budget, he said

Stockmam, former federal budget director says this ‘deal’ is a final surrender to Beltway politics.

Our political class in action. Reigning… not representing.

thatsafactjack on December 11, 2013 at 10:04 PM

thatsafactjack on December 11, 2013 at 10:24 PM

The only answer is to neuter these fools by stripping them all of power via an Article V convention as outlined in Mark Levin’s new book, Liberty and Tyranny.

http://www.articlevcaucus.com

Charlemagne on December 11, 2013 at 10:18 PM

Wrong book; s/b ‘The Liberty Amendments’, I believe.

Midas on December 11, 2013 at 10:25 PM

This is the true value the phrase “and for other purposes”.

BobMbx on December 11, 2013 at 10:26 PM

Paul Ryan….You are off my Christmas list…

Electrongod on December 11, 2013 at 10:15 PM

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Good work, Ryan!!

You’ve gone from being someone openly scorned to your face by the SCAOMF to someone attempting to facilitate a coup d’état by the POS.

/sarc off

Oh well, POS’s will flock together.

{Ahem}

Would everyone commenting on Hot Air over the last day or so IN SUPPORT of this “rounding error” deal please show the good grace to commit seppuku?

You’ve disgraced yourselves by how easily you bought into this GOPe crap sandwich … it is the only honorable thing left for you to do.

Seriously
even AP wasn’t taken in by ityou can never regain any shred of credibility.

PolAgnostic on December 11, 2013 at 10:27 PM

Charlemagne on December 11, 2013 at 10:19 PM

I’m sure they are working overtime to slip that one past us. And whatever they can’t do, his imperial highness will finish up.

Cindy Munford on December 11, 2013 at 10:27 PM

this reminds me of that pathetic ‘debate’ between the knife wielding VP and the little charm school boy that we saw last year. Only this time it was patty murray in the driver’s seat (as we all know, acting as barry and harry’s sock puppet)

the RINO party has no leadership…they only hope to win when the Left screws up somehow…then they get to Spend the Money!

r keller on December 11, 2013 at 10:29 PM

Ryan defends the airline security fees in his bill: “We think that the users should pay for the services that they’re using.”

The Gropestapo doesn’t do services; they do molesting. Fool ! Do you also think rape victims should pay their rapist? Should we pay a service fee to the N-Stasi-A for monitoring our phone calls, emails and credit cards? Fool ! Pervert ! Creep !

VorDaj on December 11, 2013 at 10:18 PM

This is rich, especially with the number of people who are too good to do the jobs illegals are stealing and staying home, using services such as subsidized housing, food stamps, WIC,obamaphones.
Our backs are breaking and you can only take so much before we bite back, b!tch.

RovesChins on December 11, 2013 at 10:31 PM

Oh damn. Like when Biden beat up Ryan in debate, another blank headed Democrat kicked Ryan around on the budget deal. How do you lose to Patty Murray? I’m not even sure she’s alive.

MTF on December 11, 2013 at 10:20 PM

Paulie loves him some s/m b!tch boy at the hands of them naughty dems.

arnold ziffel on December 11, 2013 at 10:34 PM

Hey, we only have one House. We shouldn’t complain. We should focus on Obamacare.

Ben Dover on December 11, 2013 at 10:27 PM

Dongemaharu on December 11, 2013 at 10:34 PM

*sigh* another day with miscreants in charge.

God help us all.

22044 on December 11, 2013 at 10:34 PM

I am annoyed. I am really annoyed with the GOP establishment, and I support them! This ain’t going to turn out well.

thuja on December 11, 2013 at 10:36 PM

Amazing how dumb Ryan is.

gh on December 11, 2013 at 10:36 PM

The GOP is dead, dead, dead and the Fasttalker traitor from Wisconsin is one of the executioners.

I hate his innards.

Schadenfreude on December 11, 2013 at 10:40 PM

gh on December 11, 2013 at 10:36 PM

ryan dumb? hell no, that bastage worked us all over pretty good didn’t he eh?

Rotten stinking bastage traitor poophead plopper grrrrrrrrrrr aggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!

Scrumpy on December 11, 2013 at 10:40 PM

((runs to hide in corner pulling hair out))

Scrumpy on December 11, 2013 at 10:41 PM

Sweet jeebus. Rinos aren’t getting rolled. They aren’t this stupid. They are in on it!! Quit thinking they don’t understand what is happening. Come on guys. Get with the program.

JAGonzo on December 11, 2013 at 10:41 PM

“This is an appalling power grab that should never have been allowed to be in a final agreement. It’s essentially the ‘nuclear option’ part two, eroding minority rights in the Senate even further. Harry Reid must be very happy,” a Senate GOP aide says.

There are no “minority rights” in the Senate, just rules that can be changed at the whim of the majority.

And the House GOP needs to stop playing the bi-partisan compromise game when they have no real power other than to shut down the gov’t.

Let the dem’s govern and hold them accountable for their failures.

kcewa on December 11, 2013 at 10:42 PM

kcewa on December 11, 2013 at 10:42 PM

It’s all over bar the shouting, they are slicing up the pie while we fret and worry and cry and rave and rant…

Oh the INHUMANITY!!…

Sunk by a Skunk

Scrumpy on December 11, 2013 at 10:45 PM

I have a serious question. Does anyone really believe that the federal government would abide by any convention of the states?

JAGonzo on December 11, 2013 at 10:48 PM

And this is why conservatives are losing on these issues. There’s intrigue at court within the GOPe reigning class and collusion to silence conservative voices.

thatsafactjack on December 11, 2013 at 10:29 PM

Direct link to story with actual headline:

Republican Study Committee fires director for leaking member conversations to groups

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IF the guy was, indeed, “leaking information” to ANYone or any others, then he should have been fired as he was.

The RSC says firing “wasn’t ideological” in nature but due to Paul Teller’s “leaking” private information…corrupting integrity of issues being considered (via insecure exposure of issues or “leaking”)…

The group announced Wednesday its chairman, Rep. Steve Scalise, R-La., fired executive director Paul Teller because he told outside interest groups about intimate conversations between RSC members.

“Trust between senior staff and RSC members is paramount,” a spokesman for the group said in a statement. “Every decision Chairman Scalise makes is in the best interest of the RSC and advancing conservative causes.”

IT’S REALLY TEMPTING to blame “Republicans” for “attacking Conservatives” by use of this issue (firing of Paul Teller, a Conservative, by the RSC), but BEING UNTRUSTWORTHY as to security issues ISN’T A CONSERVATIVE-DEFINING BEHAVIOR.

IF Teller engaged in such, then it’s Teller who has given Conservatives a bad name, not the RSC in this case.

Lourdes on December 11, 2013 at 10:50 PM

Lourdes on December 11, 2013 at 10:50 PM

Don’t screw with my posts.

thatsafactjack on December 11, 2013 at 10:53 PM

However, it looks on first blush that Paul Ryan’s being used by the Left. Fact that he teamed with the grotesquely crooked and inept Patty Murray in this very-massive issue is very, very alarming.

Lourdes on December 11, 2013 at 10:54 PM

I have a serious question. Does anyone really believe that the federal government would abide by any convention of the states?

JAGonzo on December 11, 2013 at 10:48 PM

Been thinking exactly same thing. And no, I don’t think they would. It’s an interesting mental exercise, but a fools errand at this point. We’ve crossed the Rubicon, so to speak, and the time for procedural corrective action is gone. This thing is way too far off the rails for that kind of thing now.

Midas on December 11, 2013 at 10:55 PM

Sunk by a Skunk…

Scrumpy on December 11, 2013 at 10:45 PM

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Message I just tweeted to my congressman and Senator:

Confident you’ll vote AGAINST Ryan-Murray deal, NRO article shows betrayal of sequester cuts & lets Reid raise taxes w/ 51 D’s

.
My congresscritter has been a reliable conservative.

My Senator has to feel the heat to be reminded of who and what he represents.

We blocked their attempts for more gun control.

Time to LIGHT UP the phone lines, emails and social media folks.

PolAgnostic on December 11, 2013 at 10:55 PM

Lourdes on December 11, 2013 at 10:50 PM

Don’t screw with my posts.

thatsafactjack on December 11, 2013 at 10:53 PM

You shouldn’t be screwing with article links.

You misstated the article’s title, then you included a link to your “yahoo feed” for the article, otherwise, INTENTIONALLY REDIRECTING readers AWAY from the original article, which provides a far less “partisan” misleading statment in title and article than your commentary does.

You attempted a very sneaky comment. I have no problem providing readers with a correct link with a correct article-linked headline.

Lourdes on December 11, 2013 at 10:56 PM

Don’t screw with my posts.

thatsafactjack on December 11, 2013 at 10:53 PM

And I hope you feel better.

Lourdes on December 11, 2013 at 10:56 PM

Why do our guys always get rolled?

El_Terrible

When are you folks going to wake up and realize they aren’t getting rolled, they are actually willing accomplices?

xblade on December 11, 2013 at 10:57 PM

Paul, I love you man but what the fu*k are you doing?

Mason on December 11, 2013 at 10:59 PM

Lourdes on December 11, 2013 at 10:56 PM

Post what you like. Just leave my posts out of it. You’re only entitled to your own opinion, Lourdes.

thatsafactjack on December 11, 2013 at 10:59 PM

IF Teller engaged in such, then it’s Teller who has given Conservatives a bad name, not the RSC in this case.

Lourdes on December 11, 2013 at 10:50 PM

Oddly enough, I’d like to have proof of that before decrying the guy, and you should as well.

That said, it’s still comical; even if he was leaking, you think the people who fired him, and their staffers, DONT leak when they want to?

Midas on December 11, 2013 at 10:59 PM


Why do our guys always get rolled?

El_Terrible

When are you folks going to wake up and realize they aren’t getting rolled, they are actually willing accomplices?

xblade on December 11, 2013 at 10:57 PM

Not all of them are.

And elections are upcoming, so the GOP is keeping that in mind, at least, I hope so.

Paul Ryan’s behavior is befuddling. He looks about as weak and unreliable as anyone could, unfortunately.

Lourdes on December 11, 2013 at 10:59 PM

IF Teller engaged in such, then it’s Teller who has given Conservatives a bad name, not the RSC in this case.

Lourdes

So when does Boehner fire himself for doing the same thing?

xblade on December 11, 2013 at 10:59 PM

Why do our guys always get rolled?

El_Terrible

xblade on December 11, 2013 at 10:57 PM

Lourdes on December 11, 2013 at 10:59 PM

Strike-through UNINTENTIONAL.

Tried quoting, intended quote.

Lourdes on December 11, 2013 at 11:01 PM

Not all of them are.

Lourdes

But most of them are, including Paul Ryan.

Paul Ryan’s behavior is befuddling. He looks about as weak and unreliable as anyone could, unfortunately.

Lourdes

What’s befuddling about it? He’s pretty much doing what he’s done since he entered congress.

xblade on December 11, 2013 at 11:02 PM

IF Teller engaged in such, then it’s Teller who has given Conservatives a bad name, not the RSC in this case.

Lourdes

So when does Boehner fire himself for doing the same thing?

xblade on December 11, 2013 at 10:59 PM

Teller didn’t “fire himself.” SO I don’t get your point; no correlated points there.

AND Boehner doesn’t fancy himself “a Conservative,” or I can’t easily recall him saying he was such.

Teller has been regarded as a bit of a Conservative icon, certainly a representative of Conservativism in the GOP.

My point in earlier was that it’s not CONSERVATIVE to be unreliable as to security, private committee doings and goings on, etc. IF Teller leaked such, as it’s said he did regarding why he was fired, then he should have been fired and he’s not Conservative for doing so…OR he’s made an offensive benchmark about “being Conservative.”

Boehner’s not Conservative nor was part of that org that fired Teller.

Lourdes on December 11, 2013 at 11:04 PM

Lourdes on December 11, 2013 at 10:56 PM

Going off the deep end again, Lourdes?

Keep walking. I’ve seen enough of your posts to disregard anything you have to say.

thatsafactjack on December 11, 2013 at 11:04 PM

You misstated the article’s title, then you included a link to your “yahoo feed” for the article, otherwise, INTENTIONALLY REDIRECTING readers AWAY from the original article, which provides a far less “partisan” misleading statment in title and article than your commentary does.

You attempted a very sneaky comment. I have no problem providing readers with a correct link with a correct article-linked headline.

Lourdes on December 11, 2013 at 10:56 PM

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Last I heard, YOU are not a moderator on Hot Air.

I’ll trust ANYTHING Jackie posts a thousand times more than anything you put forward.

There was ZERO “misleading” or “sneaky” about her original post.

You stating there was is a PERSONAL attack on her.

Go read the “Terms of Use” to get a clue on why that is not a good idea.

PolAgnostic on December 11, 2013 at 11:05 PM

Not all of them are.

Lourdes

But most of them are, including Paul Ryan.

Paul Ryan’s behavior is befuddling. He looks about as weak and unreliable as anyone could, unfortunately.

Lourdes

What’s befuddling about it? He’s pretty much doing what he’s done since he entered congress.

xblade on December 11, 2013 at 11:02 PM

So many generalizations — they weaken any point you may be attempting to make there.

Paul Ryan is one individual in the GOP. He’s not “most of them” and he’s not “all of them” — he’s one person.

His behavior is “befuddling” because it’s not supportable nor offers any clear-cut objective foundation. For anyone in Congress (“all of them” if not “most of them”), it’s hoped if not entrusted to them/those to exercise more respomnsible behavior.

Lourdes on December 11, 2013 at 11:08 PM

Midas on December 11, 2013 at 10:55 PM

Exactly. While there are some members of congress who are still human. The overwhelming majority are corrupt and only in it for themselves. Keep believing your congress critter is infallible.

JAGonzo on December 11, 2013 at 11:08 PM

I was getting grief today for bitching about this steaming pile of Paul Ryan and I kept hearing, hey, it’s the best we can do right now. After seeing this bit of procedural chicanery, I’m of the opinion that the best we can do is to bring on the zombie apocalypse now and aim the horde at Capitol Hill.

Physics Geek on December 11, 2013 at 11:09 PM

Lourdes on December 11, 2013 at 10:56 PM

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Last I heard, YOU are not a moderator on Hot Air.

I’ll trust ANYTHING Jackie posts a thousand times more than anything you put forward.

There was ZERO “misleading” or “sneaky” about her original post.

You stating there was is a PERSONAL attack on her.

Go read the “Terms of Use” to get a clue on why that is not a good idea.

PolAgnostic on December 11, 2013 at 11:05 PM

No, I’m no “moderator on HOt Air”. Never posed as one.

I’d say you and a few others here are irrational, especially with that, YOUR, personal attack of me.

I posted a link to an article that another user avoided including. There’s nothing “attacking” in doing so. It’s simple information.

Calm down, take a break, stop huffing.

Lourdes on December 11, 2013 at 11:10 PM

Stop pretending to be adults if you are going to whine and cry all the time.

Leave the GOP if you like. Go NOW and never come back. You people add nothing positive at all. EVER. Good riddance. And good luck with your new Lunatic Fringe Crybaby Sissypants Party.

Do you really think Paul Ryan “sold you out”? Really? Because if you are that stupid, well, you’re probably already sporting a hat for the LFCS Party. What likely happened is the Democratic aides (oh, you thought Patty Murray was negotiating herself? That’s so cute) told the Ryan group that the language was needed to streamline the vote in the Senate so some nut like Cruz couldn’t single-handedly kill the deal and make them all stay over Christmas.

He surely wasn’t told it was a Senate rule change, and it might not be. We have only the word of unnamed GOP “sources” on that. It might well just apply to this bill.

But instead of researching it or demanding an amendment, you go flying off the handle like idiots.

Get lost, losers.

Adjoran on December 11, 2013 at 11:11 PM

I don’t know why this suprises and disappoints me so much. After all, in the VP debate Ryan got himself p0wned by Biden, for gawdsakes.

bofh on December 11, 2013 at 11:11 PM

Lourdes on December 11, 2013 at 10:56 PM

Going off the deep end again, Lourdes?

Keep walking. I’ve seen enough of your posts to disregard anything you have to say.

thatsafactjack on December 11, 2013 at 11:04 PM

Like I wrote earlier, I hope you feel better.

Sorry that impresses you as someone “going off the deep end.”

I hope you feel better. It’s a gracious statement, not a hostile one. Good luck and keep on scrolling if you can’t handle other comments.

You did attempt to direct any reader to avoid the actual article with the (since corrected) headline, which states a more reasonable point than your misstated link title.

I’m happy to correct that.

Lourdes on December 11, 2013 at 11:13 PM

But instead of researching it or demanding an amendment, you go flying off the handle like idiots.

Get lost, losers.

Adjoran on December 11, 2013 at 11:11 PM

While I don’t think Cruz is “is a nut” (like you described him in the above earlier on than what I just quoted), I agree that the Left continues to play the public: Reid’s specialty agitating people on the assumed Right to a point of condemning the GOP at any suggestion of “betrayal”.

So I agree that those agitated are, indeed, “flying off the handle like idiots” AND IT CONFIRMS REID’S NOTIONS THAT CONSERVATIVES ARE ‘NUTS’.

Conservatives aren’t nuts, we aren’t losers, but those who generlize to some extent that they malign just about anyone over anything…it’s a sad statement on how easily Reid, the Left, plays voters.

Lourdes on December 11, 2013 at 11:17 PM

I posted a link to an article that another user avoided including. There’s nothing “attacking” in doing so. It’s simple information.

Calm down, take a break, stop huffing.

Lourdes on December 11, 2013 at 11:10 PM


Not able to understand the “Terms of Use”, I see.

OK.

PolAgnostic on December 11, 2013 at 11:18 PM

I can’t really see the “major hand wringing” here..You still have cloture vote of 60..I need more details..Plus the Senate rules are probably going to change anyway..Unfortunately this was considered by GOP when Dubya was POTUS..:)

Dire Straits on December 11, 2013 at 11:29 PM

it’s a sad statement on how easily Reid, the Left, plays voters.

Lourdes on December 11, 2013 at 11:17 PM

Good point..You need to give the MSM their due also..They side with Reid and Dems all the time..:)

Dire Straits on December 11, 2013 at 11:37 PM

Santa is white, for the record, no matter what the witch wrote about penguins, which only dwell on the South Poll.

Schadenfreude on December 11, 2013 at 11:40 PM

Get lost, losers.

Adjoran on December 11, 2013 at 11:11 PM

Good luck, chump!

Schadenfreude on December 11, 2013 at 11:40 PM

Having lost a conservative battle with General Romney, Ryan is hitching his wagon to a wandering liberal star.

For somone who is supposed to be a budget genius, he is pushing for more Obama economic failure.

And to wax lyrical on the evidently useless TSA proves that he does not understand politics or commonsense.

virgo on December 11, 2013 at 11:42 PM

Ryan’s plan put the sequester on hold.

Made it easier for Harry Reid to increase taxes.

Increases taxes by hiking the flight tax by 128%.

Funds obama’care’ for two years.

Puts off all tough decisions to 2015, to save Ds and RINOs from tough decisions ahead of the election of 2014.

Meh, such a young genius. I bow to his intellect and prowess. Oh, he also talks fast, without a prompter, and snookers you, without blinking.

Schadenfreude on December 11, 2013 at 11:50 PM

Nothing like saying “I told you so”. The GOPe will betray the conservative. And they’re hoping there’s still time to pull the final Judas kiss and legalize 30 million illegals in time for mid terms.

AH_C on December 11, 2013 at 11:50 PM

it’s a sad statement on how easily Reid, the Left, plays voters.

Lourdes on December 11, 2013 at 11:17 PM

This is thuggish and not sad. It’s truly Goebbelian.

How the Rs lie to their constituents is demonic.

Schadenfreude on December 11, 2013 at 11:51 PM

So, here we have what looks like another power grab, and one with a prominent conservative’s name on it:

Who is this “prominent conservative” you’re talking about? This budget was proposed by two Socialist Democrats.

Myron Falwell on December 11, 2013 at 11:57 PM

A majority of the people have no idea what’s going on politically, and no interest in finding out. When things get really bad they will take an interest, and just as likely come to the wrong conclusions and have foisted on them wrong solutions.

I’m not just talking the empty heads here. There are plenty of seemingly smart, well-educated people out there that fall for the global warming pitch. At another time it would have been faith healers or swamis.

claudius on December 12, 2013 at 12:15 AM

Stop pretending to be adults if you are going to whine and cry all the time.

Leave the GOP if you like. Go NOW and never come back. You people add nothing positive at all. EVER. Good riddance. And good luck with your new Lunatic Fringe Crybaby Sissypants Party.

Do you really think Paul Ryan “sold you out”? Really? Because if you are that stupid, well, you’re probably already sporting a hat for the LFCS Party. What likely happened is the Democratic aides (oh, you thought Patty Murray was negotiating herself? That’s so cute) told the Ryan group that the language was needed to streamline the vote in the Senate so some nut like Cruz couldn’t single-handedly kill the deal and make them all stay over Christmas.

He surely wasn’t told it was a Senate rule change, and it might not be. We have only the word of unnamed GOP “sources” on that. It might well just apply to this bill.

But instead of researching it or demanding an amendment, you go flying off the handle like idiots.

Get lost, losers.

Adjoran on December 11, 2013 at 11:11 PM

Considering that you just made your the de facto representative of the GOPe, aka the Weenie Junior Socalist Anti-American Short Bus Brigade, maybe conservatives SHOULD leave the GOPe-WJSAASB and create an actual second party that will actually win elections and effect actual change.

Myron Falwell on December 12, 2013 at 12:38 AM

I wonder sometimes if we need to stage a revolt over taxes.

I am not tax lawyer( Or any other kind for that matter) but how much trouble would an individual be in if they upped the deductions on their w-4 to the point where almost nothing was withheld and simply banked the money needed to cover all there taxes until December and paid them then.

My memory is that the forms only have you calculate a penalty based on quarterly payment if you own taxes at the end.

And this would send a VERY clear message to D.C. when the fed has no cash to pay current accounts.

OBQuiet on December 12, 2013 at 1:12 AM

Adjoran on December 11, 2013 at 11:11 PM

Leave the GOP if you like. Go NOW and never come back. You people add nothing positive at all. EVER. Good riddance. And good luck with your new Lunatic Fringe Crybaby Sissypants Party.

Adjoran, party of one, your table is ready.

Stop pretending to be adults if you are going to whine and cry all the time.

The irony is delicious.

Daemonocracy on December 12, 2013 at 1:17 AM

There’s no way Ryan intended for this change to happen. Only Senate side folks pay attention to such things. Had to be an oversight.

OVERSIGHT???? How about the boy wonder got snookered by the Congressional resident dimwit. As in, “Boy, wonder what I’m doin’ here?” Spare me the ‘prominent conservative’ BS. Ryan may think he’s very clever but he’s only half right. Real conservatives are so scroomed. The country is run by the Democrats and the Same-As-Democrats-But-Half-The-Calories.

ghostwalker1 on December 12, 2013 at 1:18 AM

Myron Falwell on December 12, 2013 at 12:38 AM

Maybe he should just leave this site if he feels so strongly about the overwhelming majority of those who post here.

FrumForum is about a days hike to the left, dress warm.

Daemonocracy on December 12, 2013 at 1:23 AM

Maybe he should just leave this site if he feels so strongly about the overwhelming majority of those who post here.

FrumForum is about a days hike to the left, dress warm.

Daemonocracy on December 12, 2013 at 1:23 AM

Adjoran, like MJBrutus, are just mobys that try and stir up conservatives. Then again, that puts them squarely in the Boehner and McConnell camp.

njrob on December 12, 2013 at 2:27 AM

How does anyone know what’s in it? It hasn’t passed yet.

Waldo on December 11, 2013 at 10:16 PM

A little late, but Thread winner!

Kafir on December 12, 2013 at 7:08 AM

ryan is a filthy liar.

crash72 on December 12, 2013 at 7:19 AM

Where’s Rovin to tellus we’re fools for sitting out in 2014?

gryphon202 on December 12, 2013 at 7:22 AM

ryan is a filthy liar.

crash72 on December 12, 2013 at 7:19 AM

And so is Rubio.

And so is McCain.

And so is Boner Boehner.

Seeing a pattern here yet, GOP diehards?

gryphon202 on December 12, 2013 at 7:29 AM

I’m not a GOP diehard.
You are scum.

crash72 on December 12, 2013 at 7:31 AM

I’m not a GOP diehard.
You are scum.

crash72 on December 12, 2013 at 7:31 AM

Really? I’m scum for being pissed at how people accept being lied to as long as it’s by their own side? But GOP leaders aren’t scum for doing the lying? Really?

Get bent.

gryphon202 on December 12, 2013 at 7:57 AM

Ryan should know by now he needs to read the bill so he can know what’s in it. It has become very disheartening over the last 6 years or so to learn that our elected reps are either stupid, power mad, entitled to the seats or out right crooks. It seems the progressives have found the path to making our constitution and laws meaningless and half the people don’t know or don’t care. If you’ve ever been lost in the mountains or woods, you know that finding the way back is difficult or impossible.

Kissmygrits on December 12, 2013 at 8:37 AM

Notice how the swill rino GOP mugs are trying to setup Obamacare Sebillus hearings to deviate attention away from this horrid Budget deal. They think we idiots are too stupid to notice what they are voting for. Wrong!

Then it goes to the senate, where all the RINO republicans won’t vote for it because they know it’ll pass with democrat votes.

The reason the swill GOP leadership setup this spending increase monstrosity which has a 2 yr duration is because they don’t want to cut spending and it gets them thru the 2014 midterms. It’s about them and their re election, not about saving the country.

Danielvito on December 12, 2013 at 9:08 AM

Point 1: To understand how congress is viewed so unfavorably, one needs only to understand that conservatives want liberals deported and we despise Republicans. Hard to get above 20% in that environment.

Point 2: MK makes the excellent point, long noted by conservatives, that the system of checks and balances created by the founders never envisioned that the White House could be held by an enemy of the Republic, or that one party controlled by liars and thieves could end up controlling the Senate.

Welcome to America under the Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Clinton Democrats.

Jaibones on December 12, 2013 at 9:19 AM

Get lost, losers.

Adjoran on December 11, 2013 at 11:11 PM

Math is hard. But give us your cocktail napkin calculation for winning an election without conservatives. Or are you just going to vote D?

Jaibones on December 12, 2013 at 9:39 AM

Leave the GOP if you like… Get lost, losers.

Adjoran on December 11, 2013 at 11:11 PM

Actually, I agree. It is time for the conservative base, which forms the overwhelming majority of Republicans, to leave this sinking ship of corruption and form a new party out of the rotting carcass of the old. We will leave corrupt fools like Adjoran to wallow in the slime of the dead corpse and embark on a new course of principles and integrity. For too long we have compromised on principles so that the unprincipled could rule over us.

No more.

It is time to form a new party, built on conservative ideals, with solid planks, and with unbendable rules that allow for sitting politicians to be ousted from the party for abandoning the planks of the party. Our mantra should be “principles above politicians”.

I propose that for each election, there should be test of your previous term’s actions that must be met to declare as part of the party. For example, one test could be did you vote for or against all budget proposals? Another could be did you vote against any budget larger than X% of GDP? These would be simple questions with simple answers. No longer would the liars like those in the GOP be able to get away with what Boehner, Ryan and others do on a regular basis… because if they did, it would be their last term.

This is about holding politicians accountable… sometime that those who would ridicule us refuse to do… hold politicians accountable for their actions.

Remember… “principles above politicians“.

Thank you Adjoran for pointing out that the unprincipled do not want the principled in their party, and I agree with you completely… it is time for the principled to leave your party to yourselves. It is time for the history of the Whigs to repeat itself.

dominigan on December 12, 2013 at 9:41 AM

Ryan is a f-cking idiot.

Ward Cleaver on December 12, 2013 at 9:46 AM

Just keep in mind what this two party evil money cult in Washington D.C. does in OUR NAME. It is not they who they represent, it is U.S..

Example: The space station and how to get U.S.A. up there our guys to the station.

The jack booted commie thugs and corrupt gold luster’s in Russia get to keep their evil foot on the necks of the Russian people to send their rockets of RED glare into space. So that these in D.C. can waste our tax money one pork for themselves.

It is like that no way around the facts.

How long before we get to see fake hand signs lies on our TV on what the replacement of the current health care lie is…..????

In the end it is We The People who are made/force/enable these liars to exist in our names.

Shame on U.S..

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 12, 2013 at 9:52 AM

The tax withholding idea would not work they would just borrow more money, print more money.

In the end it is that they are liars, dishonest, and live by greed and power.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 12, 2013 at 9:58 AM

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