Report: Administration tells Israel it lied about Iran deal

posted at 10:31 am on December 11, 2013 by Jeff Dunetz

When P5+1 nuclear deal with Iran was first announced, two different reports about the amount of sanctions relief Iran would get, surfaced.   The Obama Administration promised the value to the Iranian economy based on the easing of sanctions would be $6-7 billion dollars. Israel, on the other hand, believed that the Iranian economy would get a shot in the arm of $20 billion or more.

Israeli Newspaper Haaretz, whose editorial stance opposes the Netanyahu Government, reports:

The United States had originally intended to make do with unfreezing Iranian assets in the amount of $3 billion to $4 billion. But during negotiations in Geneva, the P5+1 countries backtracked from their opening position and approved much more significant relief in a wide variety of areas: commerce in gold, the Iranian petrochemical industry, the car industry and replacement parts for civilian aircraft. But the Americans said at the time that this would at most double the original amount.

However according to the Israeli version, the Americans now concede in their talks with Israel that the sanctions relief are worth much more. According to the security sources: “Economics is a matter of expectations. The Iranian stock exchange is already rising significantly and many countries are standing in line to renew economic ties with Iran based on what was already agreed in Geneva.” The sources mentioned China’s desire to renew contracts worth some $9 billion to develop the Iranian oil industry and the interest some German companies are showing for deals with Tehran. “In any case, it’s about 20 or 25 billion dollars. Even the Americans understand this,” the sources said.

An NRO post reminds us that:

a new report from the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies points out that the White House’s estimate of the economic benefits for the auto industry, $500 million, seems like a serious underestimate: While plenty of sanctions remain on the industry, if the industry recovers to just 10 percent of the contribution it used to make to the Iranian economy, that would be worth $2.5 billion, five times as much economic activity as the White House claimed.

This is not the first report of the Obama administration lied to Israel during the P5+1 process. In mid-November, when the deal fell through because of French objections, it was reported that Obama and Kerry had misled Israel and Saudi Arabia about the deal.  But on the day before Kerry was to arrive in Geneva for the talks, British and French officials told Israel more concessions were added, including easing thee ban on trading gold, petrochemical products and replacements parts for machinery and civilian airplanes.

This Tuesday, John Kerry testified about the Iran deal before the Senate; Senator Tim Johnson, the chair of the Banking Committee, said afterwards he was inclined to hold off on a sanctions vote. Actually, the Senate was never going to pass new sanctions. Tuesday’s hearings were simply an opportunity for senators to bloviate against the deal in front of their constituents. Even if another sanctions bill does leave the committee, Harry Reid will not allow it to be voted upon by the entire Senate.

In other words, the deal is done, and beginning on January 15th it will be up to Iran whether it lasts for the full six months. As far as a second step deal, that will be up to the backbone of the United States.

Whether the P5+1 deal leads to some sort of peace between the Western Nations and Iran or not (frankly, the latter is more likely), a negative result of the way Obama and Kerry are handling the negotiations is the loss of trust between this United States government and two of its allies, Israel and Saudi Arabia.

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Lying is the modus operandi of this administration.

Bitter Clinger on December 11, 2013 at 10:36 AM

I picked the wrong week to stop investing in digging equipment in Israel. Stupid.

Bishop on December 11, 2013 at 10:37 AM

But…..the president only has good intentions when he lies.

So, it’s all good.

BacaDog on December 11, 2013 at 10:38 AM

Here it is again, from Israel: Taking Our Leave of America

Shy Guy on December 11, 2013 at 10:39 AM

But…..the president only has good intentions when he lies.

BacaDog on December 11, 2013 at 10:38 AM

Obamacares.

Shy Guy on December 11, 2013 at 10:41 AM

SHOCKER!

gophergirl on December 11, 2013 at 10:42 AM

Does this administration ever the the truth? Let me know when that happens.

SC.Charlie on December 11, 2013 at 10:43 AM

Israeli Newspaper Haaretz, whose editorial stance opposes the Netanyahu Government Israel

FIFY, Jeff.

Shy Guy on December 11, 2013 at 10:43 AM

P5+1

Btw, who is the “+1″ in this mathematical formula?

Bitter Clinger on December 11, 2013 at 10:45 AM

The real shock would be if Obama ever spoke the truth!

OldEnglish on December 11, 2013 at 10:47 AM

Perhaps it would be more noteworthy to post something when they bother to tell the truth…

…about anything.

CPT. Charles on December 11, 2013 at 10:48 AM

I’m sure after all these years that the taste of Shite scrotum is a novel flavor over Sunni scrotum. Be cautious, neither scrotum likes the other, so it might lead to upset tummies or the runs.

BL@KBIRD on December 11, 2013 at 10:48 AM

Obama lied, get out of here!!!!!!!

He is the king of all mankind and he will make the sea levels fall.

Just ask his mirror it tells him so every hour on the hour.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 11, 2013 at 10:48 AM

Obama has become synonymous with liar. Which is quite a feat when you consider we have so many politicians in our country, and we all assume they’re liars, yet obozo has taken it to a whole new level. Good job Barry, you found the only thing you’ve ever been good at.

Flange on December 11, 2013 at 10:48 AM

Does this administration ever the the truth? Let me know when that happens.

SC.Charlie on December 11, 2013 at 10:43 AM

It’s easy to determine: When Obama tells the truth, his nose grows.

Tsar of Earth on December 11, 2013 at 10:49 AM

The day after the nuke strike on New York City.

” I did my best but the darn Republicans blocked my EPA rules and the sea took New York from U.S..

Fox News is wrong that it was a nuke from Iran.

Your King, Obama.

I am all.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 11, 2013 at 10:51 AM

Lie to Iran, not for Iran.

forest on December 11, 2013 at 10:51 AM

Aren’t we getting close to “high crimes and misdemeanors” with the amount of lies this president told.

Tater Salad on December 11, 2013 at 10:52 AM

Does this administration ever the the truth? Let me know when that happens.

SC.Charlie on December 11, 2013 at 10:43 AM

The nest time they tell the truth will likely be the first time.

Makes you wonder if bin Laden is really dead.

Bitter Clinger on December 11, 2013 at 10:52 AM

nest s/b next

Bitter Clinger on December 11, 2013 at 10:52 AM

Iran has always been the main source of evil in the Middle East… All Qaeda terrorists are only the Sunni version of the terrorist islamic republic of Iran… The Iranian islamic terrorist regime must be destroyed, there is no other solution…

mnjg on December 11, 2013 at 10:53 AM

It’s easy to determine: When Obama tells the truth, his nose grows.

Tsar of Earth on December 11, 2013 at 10:49 AM

And his ears grow from the lies.

Bitter Clinger on December 11, 2013 at 10:53 AM

Does this administration ever the the truth? Let me know when that happens.

SC.Charlie on December 11, 2013 at 10:43 AM

When Obama does his annual NCAA basketball brackets I believe he is being largely truthful and is at least somewhat knowledgeable. These are the finest moments of his presidency.

forest on December 11, 2013 at 10:54 AM

Everything about Obama is a lie.

albill on December 11, 2013 at 10:55 AM

Teacher says every time obozo lies a socialist redistributes some wealth.

Flange on December 11, 2013 at 10:55 AM

NO one trusts administration, short of a few utter fools.

Speaking of deceit…

Schadenfreude on December 11, 2013 at 10:58 AM

In mid-November, when the deal fell through because of French objections, it was reported that Obama and Kerry had misled Israel and Saudi Arabia about the deal.

Did they blame it on a YouTube video, the government shutdown, or GWB?

Happy Nomad on December 11, 2013 at 10:58 AM

obama lied about your insurance, doctor, hospital, subscription plan, the middle class, inequality, saving the car industry, jobs, F & F, Benghazi, the IRS, his background, his grades, his marriage, his health and pretty much everything.

Schadenfreude on December 11, 2013 at 10:59 AM

So what’s new for that lying, dirtbag operation?

rplat on December 11, 2013 at 10:59 AM

obama lied about the rise of the oceans, “the ones we’ve been waiting for”, Michelle’s love for him, his love for Hillary, his love for Bill Clinton, Lincoln and Reagan.

This could go on all day, alas.

Schadenfreude on December 11, 2013 at 11:01 AM

Sibelius just blamed “the media” for the poor obama’care’ registration numbers.

Goebbels orgasmed all over his grave, again.

Schadenfreude on December 11, 2013 at 11:01 AM

Btw, who is the “+1″ in this mathematical formula?

Bitter Clinger on December 11, 2013 at 10:45 AM

Germany.

NavyMustang on December 11, 2013 at 11:08 AM

When Obama does his annual NCAA basketball brackets I believe he is being largely truthful and is at least somewhat knowledgeable. These are the finest moments of his presidency.

forest on December 11, 2013 at 10:54 AM

I didn’t think his picks turned out all that well. Then again, I’ve never tried to keep track.

Bitter Clinger on December 11, 2013 at 11:09 AM

Another day, another lie…tomorrow, same only partly cloudy with a chance of rain.

The old saying “If you don’t like the weather, wait around 15 minutes and it will change”…

Well, if you don’t like what you hear, wait around 15 minutes and another lie will change your mind…

right2bright on December 11, 2013 at 11:10 AM

Germany.

NavyMustang on December 11, 2013 at 11:08 AM

Thanks.

Bitter Clinger on December 11, 2013 at 11:10 AM

You’re all just to dumb for the “Smart Power” of Obama and his ilk. Don’t you realize that once the mullahs meet him or one sent on his behalf that peace will finally come to the middle east? I mean just look at our relationship with Russia or Germany or Israel (just to name a few examples).

Mich_93 on December 11, 2013 at 11:13 AM

Btw, who is the “+1″ in this mathematical formula?

Bitter Clinger on December 11, 2013 at 10:45 AM

Germany.

NavyMustang on December 11, 2013 at 11:08 AM

Funny how history works out, huh?

Germany is the key trading partner of Iran.[4] Iran’s nuclear program depends mainly upon German products and services.[citation needed][clarification needed] Around 50 German firms have their own branch offices in Iran and more than 12,000 firms have their own trade representatives in Iran. Several renowned German companies are involved in major Iranian infrastructure projects, especially in the petrochemical sector, like Linde, BASF, Lurgi, Krupp, Siemens, ZF Friedrichshafen, Mercedes, Volkswagen and MAN (2008).[5]
In 2005, Germany had the largest share of Iran’s export market with $5.67 billion (14.4%).[6] In 2008, German exports to Iran increased by 8.9 percent and comprised 84.7 percent of the total German-Iranian trade volume. The overall bilateral trade volume until the end of September 2008 stood at 3.23 billion euros, compared to 2.98 billion euros the previous year.[5][7] The value of trade between Tehran and Berlin has increased from around 4.3 billion euro in 2009 to nearly 4.7 billion euro in 2010.[8]
The Association of German Chambers of Industry and Commerce has estimated that economic sanctions against Iran may cost more than 10,000 German jobs and have a negative impact on the economic growth of Germany. Sanctions would especially hurt medium-sized German companies, which depend heavily on trade with Iran.[5] There has been a shift in German business ties with Iran from long-term business to short-term and from large to mid-sized companies which have fewer business interests in the US and thus are less prone to U.S. political pressure.[9]

kcewa on December 11, 2013 at 11:15 AM

In other words, the deal is done, and beginning on January 15th it will be up to Iran whether it lasts for the full six months. As far as a second step deal, that will be up to the backbone of the United States.

I am pretty sure Obama is not seriously planning on holding Iran to any of the particulars in this presmptive treaty that the Mullahs would find to be an inconvenience to them. I think Obama’s main objective is to assist in eliminating Israel as a country in the Middle East and make the Jews return to a diaspora. It is up to Congress on this one.

DaveDief on December 11, 2013 at 11:16 AM

Obama has chosen to ally the US with Iran as the winner of the post cold war struggle in the Middle East.

kcewa on December 11, 2013 at 11:22 AM

DaveDief on December 11, 2013 at 11:16 AM

When has Teh Won ever held anyone that he deals with to account?
Hasn’t happened within his administration, nor with anyone abroad.
Long on rhetoric, short of action (retribution by the IRS does not count because he can’t be held responsible for rogue agents in Cincinnati).

Another Drew on December 11, 2013 at 11:33 AM

Obama has chosen to ally the US with Iran as the winner of the post cold war struggle in the Middle East.

kcewa on December 11, 2013 at 11:22 AM

As recently as a year ago I would have said you’re crazy. Now I wonder. The strange silence on the Green Revolution might make more sense in that light.

WitchDoctor on December 11, 2013 at 11:34 AM

Btw, who is the “+1″ in this mathematical formula?

Bitter Clinger on December 11, 2013 at 10:45 AM

I thought it signified having The Won as part of the team.

Flange on December 11, 2013 at 11:37 AM

“In any case, it’s about 20 or 25 billion dollars. Even the Americans understand this,” the sources said.

Doesn’t sound like they have a very high opinion of Kerry and Obama.

iurockhead on December 11, 2013 at 11:38 AM

What part of the Obama/Kerry “Win Win” don’t folks get? We get 0 and in a month Iran gets what will eventually turn out to be 50 billion +. What’s all this whining about? So Israel lives with a nuclear bomb over it’s head. We end up with a president honored around the world as a cross between Santa and Mandela. Win/Win

RickinNH on December 11, 2013 at 11:40 AM

They’re all lying sacks.

Mason on December 11, 2013 at 12:01 PM

Oama: The Prince of lies.

Wait a minute. My bad, that title belongs to someone else does it not?

mechkiller_k on December 11, 2013 at 12:04 PM

Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom.
Thomas Jefferson

That’s something foreign to this administration.

sadatoni on December 11, 2013 at 12:11 PM

Israel should wait until all of these investment deals are inked, and money transferred. Then incinerate the whole place.

“Say, thats a nice multi-billion dollar investment you’ve got in Iran. Be a shame if it turns into a radioactive puddle of molten metal”

BobMbx on December 11, 2013 at 12:12 PM

The headline shouldn’t be worded the way it is. I interpreted it to mean that Israel lied, not the Administration.

Plus, Jeff, the spellchecker, and a good proofreader, is your friend:

This is not the first report of the Obama administration lied to Israel during the P5+1 process.

and

British and French officials told Israel more concessions were added, including easing thee ban on trading gold, petrochemical products and replacements parts for machinery and civilian airplanes.

Those paragraph must have been composed on a bit less sleep than usual.

That said, there really isn’t anything to add to your article. Israel views Iran as an existential threat, and push Israel too far and it will use its national means to assure that Iran no longer is any form of a threat. That will be a shame for Israel which will undoubtedly take casualties in any exchange, for the United States who will again have been shown to be a “paper tiger”, and especially for Iran, whose citizens will have to deal with stone-age conditions.

unclesmrgol on December 11, 2013 at 12:24 PM

iurockhead on December 11, 2013 at 11:38 AM

Heh.

unclesmrgol on December 11, 2013 at 12:26 PM

The Obama administration LIED!

Okay. So where’s the “news”?

GarandFan on December 11, 2013 at 12:37 PM

More fallout…

” Why is Brent crude rallying in the face of a new Iran nuclear deal? Two words might explain it: Saudi Arabia.

No one was more upset, save for the Israelis, by the recent agreement between the Iranians and the US than Saudi Arabia, the Iranians natural enemy in the Middle East. By the number of visits that Secretary of State John Kerry made to the Kingdom and the appearance of Saudi sovereign investor Prince AlWaleed here in the US, it was clear that the message that the Saudis were sending to the US government went unheeded: the US inked a 6-month agreement relieving much of the financial pressures built up by sanctions over the last 3 years.

Don’t be fooled by the public statements of approval delivered by the Saudis – they’re mad – hopping mad.

And what do the Saudis have as leverage to make the point of their dismay at this new agreement with a President who decided not to listen to the only two remaining allies in the Middle East? Only oil.

The Saudis have tried to deliver stability into the oil market through the many geopolitical issues that emerged in the last 6 years, filling the gaps in production caused by the Iraq shutdowns, Libyan revolution, Iranian threats of closing the Straits of Hormuz and the Egyptian Arab Spring. With total production of over 10 million barrels a day today, they control all the swing barrels of production and have literally the world price of oil…”

http://oilprice.com/Energy/Oil-Prices/Why-the-Iranian-Nuclear-Deal-Could-Lead-to-an-Increase-in-Oil-Prices.html

workingclass artist on December 11, 2013 at 1:22 PM

Obama lied to Israel and America.

jukin3 on December 11, 2013 at 1:54 PM

The lies are to save the children.

Don’t you know?

BMF on December 11, 2013 at 2:03 PM

More lies from Obama and his walking talking points.

What. A. Shocker.

rightConcept on December 11, 2013 at 2:28 PM

What part of the Obama/Kerry “Win Win” don’t folks get? We get 0 and in a month Iran gets what will eventually turn out to be 50 billion +. What’s all this whining about? So Israel lives with a nuclear bomb over it’s head. We end up with a president honored around the world as a cross between Santa and Mandela. Win/Win

RickinNH on December 11, 2013 at 11:40 AM

At least we also get a Presidential Selfie out of the deal.

rightConcept on December 11, 2013 at 2:29 PM

I’d like to see somebody in the White House press corps(e?) ask the president why the American people think the president lies so much.

HiJack on December 11, 2013 at 2:41 PM

When P5+1 nuclear deal with Iran was first announced, two different reports about the amount of sanctions relief Iran would get, surfaced.

Great report, Jeff…except that first sentence is so awkward.
Why not move “surfaced”?

When P5+1 nuclear deal with Iran was first announced, two different reports surfaced about the amount of sanctions relief Iran would get.

Watch out for those little things, & you’ll be ready to get bumped up to the big-time blogger level, like Ed, AP, & MKH!

itsnotaboutme on December 11, 2013 at 3:47 PM

Remind me, what do we get out of this again?
A pocket full of promises?

notalemon on December 11, 2013 at 9:02 PM