Boehner: These conservative groups who are objecting to the budget deal are “ridiculous”

posted at 1:54 pm on December 11, 2013 by Allahpundit

Via Mediaite, between this and Mitch McConnell’s allies trying to blacklist allies of the Senate Conservatives Fund, I’d say the battle between the GOP leadership and righty PACs is now fully joined.

I think it’s silly to try to analyze whether a deal that would reduce the deficit by just $28 billion — over 10 years — is “good” or “bad.” When the stakes are that small, heated arguments over whether it’s a step in the right or wrong direction are like challenging the spot on a one-yard run when it’s third and long and you’re pinned at your own 10-yard line. Who cares? Every inch matters, I guess, but the odds of scoring on the drive will barely change if the spot’s three inches one way or the other. What this deal really is for leadership is the Shutdown Prevention Act of 2013. They’re terrified that if there’s another budget standoff next month and the government goes unfunded again, all of the anti-ObamaCare momentum that the GOP has built up against Democrats right now will disintegrate. Avoiding that is their top priority, so they agreed to swap policy gains for political ones: In return for the GOP agreeing to undo some sequester cuts and accept certain “user fees” (a.k.a. taxes), Democrats agreed to some very modest entitlement savings in the distant future and, more importantly, to funding the government so that Republicans can’t be demagogued during another shutdown.

If you want a more thoughtful take than that, try Yuval Levin, who thinks this was a not-entirely-terrible bargain by Republicans under unfavorable circumstances, or Phil Klein, who thinks it was indeed pretty terrible. Levin’s argument, boiled down, is simple: You’re not going to get anything meaningful done with Democrats in power so make sure at least to avoid a shutdown and bank whatever mandatory spending cuts you can, if only to set a precedent. Klein’s argument is also simple: If it’s setting precedents we’re worried about, how about the precedent of undoing sequester cuts now for vaporous entitlement cuts circa 2022 that might never happen? Fair points in both cases, but again, it’s because the stakes are so small that the deal needs to be analyzed in terms of its symbolic value. E.g., would GOP leaders rather agree to a bad deal on spending that takes the shutdown option away from tea partiers or hold out for a better deal on spending that leaves tea partiers with leverage? Whom do they fear most?

Which raises another question, as framed by Ben Domenech on Twitter this afternoon: If you’re Boehner and you know your base is going to dislike the terms here, why antagonize them by sneering at how “ridiculous” conservative PAC opposition is? Noah Rothman from Mediaite countered that maybe that’s deliberate by Boehner, to signal to independents who have warmed to the GOP in the aftermath of the O-Care meltdown that the party hasn’t been captured by tea partiers. Could be, but the nastier leadership gets, the greater the risk that tea-party conservatives in the House will revolt against the deal. (They already seem to be leaning that way.) That’s not fatal to Boehner — obviously, a bipartisan compromise is designed to pass with Democratic votes too — but some liberals will walk here because of the mandatory spending cuts later. The more upset there is in the GOP caucus, the greater the risk that the whole thing implodes. Where that leaves Boehner — and Paul Ryan — if it does, I don’t know.

Exit question via Matt Lewis: Did the failure of the “defund” effort make this deal possible? You only get one shot at a shutdown, realistically, before centrist Republicans decide they’re not going to be dragged along on another wild ride that risks further damaging the party’s brand. Between their weariness at the thought of another shutdown next month and everyone wanting to get home for Christmas, Boehner will probably have more support than we think.


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Note that bayam and his minions never comment on obama’s losing threads any more. How come they don’t defend their god any longer?

Schadenfreude on December 11, 2013 at 5:13 PM

I’ve been in business my entire adult life. Before that I was raised by business people. I’ve seen recessions, natural disasters and other unforeseen circumstances. Sometimes, to survive the future you have to cut your spending in the present. You cancel orders. You postpone projects and expansions. You put off buying needed equipment. At the very worst, you even let employees go. It’s a hard thing to look somebody in the eyes and tell them they don’t have a job anymore. It’s even worse when it’s not their fault. You do this because it’s what you have to do to survive the storm you see coming, or, that is already, unexpectedly, upon you.

Our congresspeople need to cut spending. Failure to do so is going to bring great pain on all of us. They don’t have the courage to do this.

They are failures.

Complete and utter failures.

There is no excuse for this.

trigon on December 11, 2013 at 5:13 PM

I agree with Heritage Action in their message to the Congress Critters:

Fallon on December 11, 2013 at 3:20 PM

Heritage Action continues to enrich itself, along with other conservative lobbying groups, with tea party wages. Is there any evidence that they do anything with that money that forwards conservative principles? In other words, how are they better than the RNC exactly?

libfreeordie on December 11, 2013 at 5:15 PM

libfreeordie on December 11, 2013 at 5:15 PM

Geez, they could use your consulting services…on the other hand your brain is needed in the D coffee party. They’re giving it another try since the Ds are not leftist enough.

Schadenfreude on December 11, 2013 at 5:16 PM

We don’t give a shit about some short term budget to cover your hides….

America is in free fall and these guys are haggling over pennies on the way down.

Soon we will have a real crisis and people are going to start dying because President Selfie wants a legacy or something.

Right now the best thing this Congress could do to turn America around is to get rid of Obama and ObamaCare. Everything else is a masterbatory fantasy.

redguy on December 11, 2013 at 5:17 PM

pasted in another thread, but believe it applies here as well.

I think we, as conservatives, need to sit out the next election.

The GOP believes two things:

1) conservatives will always vote for them regardless of what they do; and

2) even if 1 isn’t correct, they can win without conservatives.

Both of those notions must be disabused before the GOP will move right.

And, if the GOP doesn’t move right – then the GOP must be terminated.

I urge everyone who considers themselves a conservative to sit out the next election.

Yes, I know, we “have a good chance to win the Senate”. So what? What, exactly, do you believe that will get us?

I’m not offering “sit an election out” lightly. I’m offering it because it is the only way we will move the GOP right quickly enough to do any good (and I’m not talking about moving them to be as conservative as I am, I’m talking reasonably conservative here – which they currently are not).

Energy spent being loyal team players and electing who our betters tell us to has accomplished exactly what conservative goal?

When the GOP held the WH, Senate and House – did they reduce spending? No, they increased it. Did they reduce the size or scope of gov’t? No, they increased it. Did they get rid of any stupid federal agencies, programs, or statutes? No, they added to them.

And, since then, what has the GOP actually done? Capitulate. Say they will capitulate (McConnell just last week stated he did not intend to repeal Obamacare – only “fix” it). Say they will do really, really stupid things (amnesty). And just now, “compromise” away any potential for cutting spending or fixing entitlements (see Paul Ryan’s newest crowning achievement).

The GOP wants to be a Center-left party, just to the right of the DNC. Anyone who doesn’t believe this is an idiot. Actions count – not words. In elections, they tell us they are conservative. But they never act that way in office.

I challenge everyone to explain the conservative “victories” your blind loyalty to the GOP has produced. Pointing to some nominees not getting through does not suffice. Because one liberal nominee is stopped, doesn’t mean another liberal nominee – not as vocal – is not confirmed. These are illusory victories, with little meaning. They feel good but accomplish nothing.

Yes, if in control, the GOP will be slightly less liberal than the DNC. That is not the same thing, even remotely, as furthering any conservative goals. It is the opposite.

I am arguing to change the entire GOP’s thinking. Those who argue we shouldn’t sit out, but instead support a “conservative” challenger in a primary or support a “conservative” candidate in the general election are talking about making insignificant changes – rearranging deck chairs.

The GOP establishment (by which I mean incumbents, their staffs, the people working for the GOP, professional campaign people, and big money donors) easily works around the few true conservatives in its midst. Adding a few more here or there won’t change anything. We would have to replace at least 51% of GOP incumbents to change the GOP’s behavior. That is simply not possible. If we change 2 or 3 an election cycle, by the time we get near the 51% mark, the first 1/2 we put worked to elect will have been co-opted by the establishment, making us start all over. Incumbency is powerful, making challenges hard to begin with. Add to that most decent candidates don’t want to piss the party off – so don’t want to challenge, leaving us with a limited pool of potential challengers. Then add the power and organization of the GOP against independent challengers in multiple states, and we can never effect the change we need.

We thought challenging incumbents would change other GOP incumbent behavior. It didn’t. We’ve been working on changing the GOP for over 30 years. Where has it gotten us? Here. Exactly here. Everything wrong with the U.S. – the GOP had a hand in. Everything except Obamacare. Remember that.

The problem is that the party controls things.

As voting for a conservative democrat is counterproductive – because in reality that allegedly conservative democrat merely allows the liberal democrats to run things and push its agenda, voting for a “conservative” GOP candidate (and they all CLAIM to be conservative at election time) is counterproductive because it allows the GOP – which is not at all conservative – run the show.

So, we vote for a “conservative” GOP candidate. Someone who promises to be anti-amnesty, for cutting spending, for cutting the size and scope of gov’t, etc.

And let’s assume they stick to those guns and vote that way (very rare). But, they help the GOP form a majority. The GOP leadership than pushes a budget that increases spending, increases the size and scope of gov’t, and pushes amnesty and instead of repeal of Obamacare – pushes a “fix” of Obamacare.

And all of those things pass with majority republican votes.

What has your vote for a “conservative” GOP candidate accomplished?

And, even if we had, say, 40% of the incumbent GOP as true conservatives, the remainder would work with democrats to pass stuff – as they already do. For instance, this Ryan compromise will likely pass with more D votes than R votes – (so that R’s can go back and claim to be against it to their constituents and in primaries). That is the kind of party shenanigans I am talking about.

The reality is, the primary system doesn’t work. A) incumbency has too much power, b) the ones who win get co-opted 90% of the time by the establishment and c) for the most party, the establishment ignores, works around conservatives. Why do you think Mitch McConell and Jim DeMint hate each so much? Why do you think all of the GOP establishment figures hate Cruz and call him names publicly? Why do you think Mitch McConnell and Boehner are publicly calling for the defeat of conservatives.

We have made some progress. . But it is very slow progress and we won’t shift the GOP right for over 50 years at this rate. In that 50 years, we will see the collapse of SS, collapse of various state and local pension systems, exploding debt, exploding Medicare, and Obamacare costs. And the GOP will do nothing about it – instead we will get the same B.S. we have received til now – more spending, more gimmicks, more entitlements and more gov’t.

Yes, in 75 years, if we work hard at it and challenge GOP incumbents here and there, etc., we will move the GOP right. But in 75 years it’ll probably be too late to do much good.

In the meantime, voting for the people who will pass amnesty, agree to Ryan’s ridiculous “compromise”, increase spending, increase the size and scope of gov’t, and have stated, repeatedly that they have no intention of actually repealing Obamacare (both Boehner and McConell have publicly stated this). Voting for these people will not “reform” the GOP, but empower it to continue behaving in this way.

Not voting and letting republicans lose will mean that the party must look at what it does and decide whether it will move right.

Think of it as “primarying” the entire party.

The reality is we have a 2 party system – that is unlikely to change. And none of the various third parties will win any time soon. So, voting for some third party will not do anything.

And, voting the “conservative” line won’t really do anything because 97% of the time, it’s just the GOP candidate.

And, in case you haven’t noticed, the party itself is fighting conservatives. The establishment is not conservative – never was (the GOP was not founded as and has never been a conservative party – it is merely a party with some conservatives in it and that is to the right of the DNC – that does not make the party conservative) and the current establishment people are unlikely to ever be ideologically conservative.

They don’t want to be conservative because they like gov’t and believe in gov’t and the big-money donors make lots of money off big gov’t. So they fight against conservatives and conservative influence on the party.

The only way to get them to toe the conservative line at all puts the fear of losing their jobs and their influence into them. The only way to do that shows them our voting power and that we WILL IN FACT use it by NOT voting for them.

They currently believe we (conservatives) will ultimately vote for them no matter what they do. And, the reality is, they have been right about this because we have done just that.

To change the dynamic, we have to prove they are not right about this – that conservatives are willing to sit out if they cross us.

As someone else said in a comment:

It demonstrates that the GOP *must* take the conservative base seriously, and behave more conservatively – even if it means they get walloped in an election – then it could be worth it.

Otherwise, going the route we’ve been going down for decades now – just reinforces to the GOP they *can* continue to be ‘liberal lite’, take conservatives for granted, and there is *no* reason for them to behave conservatively because they *can* continue to be squishes, giving the Dems what they want, and there will be *no* penalty for doing so.

Anyone who disagrees with this needs to explain how continuing to vote for the GOP – as we’ve done for decades – will suddenly result in something *different*, I’m afraid.

The only way to win the fight is to change the party. We will not change the party through constant support of the party despite its actions.

Voting for the GOP despite its behavior will not change the GOP. As an example – if a child does something wrong – do you reward the child for that behavior? If you do, you are fool because you are guarantying that behavior will continue. Well, the same is true with the GOP. If you reward the GOP by voting for it – you are incentivizing that same behavior in the future.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Voting for the GOP when the GOP is not remotely conservative and expecting them to act conservative fits well within the definition of insanity.

I’m seriously asking you to look at the GOP’s actions over the last 20 years and think rationally.

I realize that it goes against the grain to sit out and potentially allow the DNC to win. But, in reality, this is the only way we will change the GOP in our lifetimes. We have been trying to change the GOP through action, primaries, involvement, etc. for 30 years. And it has not happened.

Monkeytoe on December 11, 2013 at 5:17 PM

Now I’m reading that this deal funds Obamacare for two years. Ryan just gave away the farm.

tommyboy on December 11, 2013 at 5:18 PM

Boehner has lost my vote in his next election.

sadatoni on December 11, 2013 at 5:18 PM

Heritage Action continues to enrich itself, along with other conservative lobbying groups, with tea party wages. Is there any evidence that they do anything with that money that forwards conservative principles? In other words, how are they better than the RNC exactly?

libfreeordie on December 11, 2013 at 5:15 PM

I love that someone who doesn’t understand conservatism whatsoever telling us what is and is not conservative.

Monkeytoe on December 11, 2013 at 5:20 PM

BoneHead sounds more and more like Obama.
VorDaj on December 11, 2013 at 2:29 PM

O’Boehner?

Barack O’ Boehner?

B&B together in harmony?

I’d love to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony??

Coca-Boehner?

Sherman1864 on December 11, 2013 at 5:30 PM

There is no excuse for this.

trigon on December 11, 2013 at 5:13 PM

you nailed it trigon. Things got so bad at the end of 2008 I voluntarily went contract at my job. The company I had worked for hired me 10 years earlier when I was a self employed consultant. Other than taking a 50% financial haircut I was right back where I had been a decade earlier.

Since then I earned how much I don’t need, paid every debt (didn’t have much), put a pool in my yard and am on track to sock away $50k/year. All because I was forced to prioritize after getting downsized. Drastic circumstances require drastic actions. In DC none of them have ever dealt with drastic circumstances

DanMan on December 11, 2013 at 5:32 PM

Looks like someone else is having a hard time being in charge.

Under state statute, those contributions are now scheduled to more than double next year, to about $1.07 billion. Emanuel, a former White House chief of staff who is up for re-election in 2015, says the increase is about equal to the annual cost of having 4,300 police officers on the beat or resurfacing 16,000 city blocks.

If the city doesn’t cut services and pension benefits aren’t changed, he says, the annual payment would require a 150 percent hike in property taxes – an increase he calls “unacceptable.” Chicago Public Schools’ payment to the pension fund for Chicago teachers also is slated to increase next year, from $196 million last year to $600 million.

Emanuel wants the Legislature, which must approve any changes to pension benefits, to raise the retirement age and cut cost-of-living increases, as it did for the state pension system.

“The pension crisis is not truly solved until relief is brought to Chicago and all of the other local governments across our state that are standing on the brink of a fiscal cliff because of our pension liabilities,” he said after lawmakers approved the state changes last week.

Tiny Dancer still pissing off the unions. Give him another year or two, and he’ll show up at a GOP convention as a speaker.

BobMbx on December 11, 2013 at 5:32 PM

Monkey,

I understand your pain, but your conclusion is not correct. Sitting out and letting the Dems win will only serve to push Boehner and company further left. They will not come running back to you for your vote.

It is time to support conservatives and conservative positions. If we lose fighting, so be it.

Giving up is a bad idea, unless there is somewhere to go from the U.S.A.

kpguru on December 11, 2013 at 5:33 PM

crosspatch on December 11, 2013 at 4:05 PM

Not true. The best deal they could have gotten was the status quo, but they didn’t want it. They wanted to roll back the sequester so that wasn’t even something the dems had to extract from negotiations. It is “The Stupid Party”, but not for the reasons you state.

Wigglesworth on December 11, 2013 at 5:38 PM

Pablum slurping miscreant trolls are hiding from ObamaCare.

SparkPlug on December 11, 2013 at 5:44 PM

Heritage Action continues to enrich itself, along with other conservative lobbying groups, with tea party wages. Is there any evidence that they do anything with that money that forwards conservative principles? In other words, how are they better than the RNC exactly?

libfreeordie on December 11, 2013 at 5:15 PM

We could ask the exact same question of such Democrat groups as Media Matters, which continues to enrich itself with wages from Low-Info people like you (along with their Sugar Daddy, Halliburton part-owner George Soros).

Is Media Matters’ use of those funds to regularly scream “Faux News Lies!” forwarding liberal principles? The combined “ratings” of CNN and MSNBC prove that said money is being totally wasted.

Del Dolemonte on December 11, 2013 at 5:45 PM

Monkeytoe on December 11, 2013 at 5:17 PM

This. Over a year after refusing to vote for Team Mittness, they continue to give me satisfaction that I thwarted them from taking office and further pushing us left and down but under the auspices of the GOPe banner. My representative got my vote as did other candidates and initiatives down ticket.
That’s still a metric I haven’t seen anyone chart across the board; how did down ticket candidates fare against the dynamic duo? I’m willing to bet the GOPe knows but doesn’t want to believe their lying eyes that they’re losing the conservative vote. That’s why they’re off chasing the latinos. Idiots one and all when animus against amnesty crosses all party lines. The people voting for it will be in for a huge surprise the next time they have to run once amnesty becomes law.

AH_C on December 11, 2013 at 5:50 PM

“Ridiculous”

That’s the Spelunker of the House we all know and luv…

Gohawgs on December 11, 2013 at 5:52 PM

Hey, let’s throw in the towel. Tune out, drop out, quit, surrender, what ever it takes to destroy these phony conservatives.

Stay home, and help a progressive!

Rovin on December 11, 2013 at 6:04 PM

This fits right in with the overall policy of the GOPe to surrender on everything as a strategy to win future elections. Amnesty is the only thing left on the table to sweep off.

Wigglesworth on December 11, 2013 at 6:06 PM

I saw on someones comment that the Senate Conservative Fund claims this affirms that Sen. Cruz was right to try and defund Obamacare. They are lunatics. If the defund miraculously did become law, Republicans would be on constant defense, defense, defense until 2016. Obama would have the greatest scapegoat for the terrible rollout of his law…”Blame the defunding Republicans”. Thankfully Cruz didn’t win his stupid battle.

Norbitz on December 11, 2013 at 6:10 PM

I saw on someones comment that the Senate Conservative Fund claims this affirms that Sen. Cruz was right to try and defund Obamacare. They are lunatics. If the defund miraculously did become law, Republicans would be on constant defense, defense, defense until 2016. Obama would have the greatest scapegoat for the terrible rollout of his law…”Blame the defunding Republicans”. Thankfully Cruz didn’t win his stupid battle.

Norbitz on December 11, 2013 at 6:10 PM

Yes. Let’s just lay back and let it happen. Don’t fight it.
Cruz made the democrats OWN obamacare. while the rest of you went after your own party.

RovesChins on December 11, 2013 at 6:15 PM

You are right norbitz. Meanwhile people are being pummeled fiscally and are losing access to care. But your blessed political optics are fabulous.

Murphy9 on December 11, 2013 at 6:15 PM

Rovin on December 11, 2013 at 6:04 PM
Hey, let’s throw in the towel. Tune out, drop out, quit, surrender,

That’s what the GOPe has been doing in case you haven’t noticed.

Wigglesworth on December 11, 2013 at 6:15 PM

Boehner has lost my vote in his next election.

sadatoni on December 11, 2013 at 5:18 PM

Wait… Just NOW?

Progs have rolled him time and again, it took so long to realize he is a dem lite?

riddick on December 11, 2013 at 6:18 PM

So, what he is saying is, things must be the way I see it and for me and the lobbist who paid to get us elected.

They do not see it as goverment by the people.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 11, 2013 at 6:20 PM

The GOP broke every promise they made to the tea party before the ’10 election. They have no problem betraying conservatives, only their cronies.

FloatingRock on December 11, 2013 at 3:27 PM

Boehner does what ever the guy who puts the most pressure him says…

The image of Boehner grovelling before Tea Party Conservatives as he signs the pledge of no immigration reform (including photo of the kissing of the ring) before the end of the Obama presidency will cause the big donor and RINO wing of the GOP to freak. Politically Wheeping John would have a hard time overcoming that image.

This would also put pressure on Dems, mostly in the Senate, who don’t want ObamaCare Shutdown II. If it was just a shutdown over some budget give or take it would look bad, but one over ObamaCare would be more acceptable to Americans this time, LIV now realize what is in ObamaCare unlike the last time and don’t like what they see.

So the plan should be…

Part 1: Tea Party Conservatives threaten to shut down government again over ObamaCare.

Part 2: Tea Party Conservatives demand Boehner give them something to make them happy, either a better budget deal or a pledge to not pass immigration reform until after the next president is elected. The price for failure to keep the pledge would be a complete break from the GOP.

Part 3: Boehner freaks out and goes to the Dems begging for a better deal and Boehner begs big donor pro-Amnesty republicans not to punish him for taking the no immigration reform pledge deal. Boehner begins to cry a lot…

Part 4: Senate Dems in trouble in 2014 find out about another shut down over Obamacare. They are in no mood for that. They push Dems to make a deal with Boehner on the budget to prevent ObamaCare Shutdown II.

The end game, possible outcomes:

Outcome 1: Boehner comes back with a better budget deal.

Outcome 2: Boehner signs the no immigration reform pledge along with the rest of the House GOP.

Outcome 3: Boehner cracks under the pressure and quits.

Outcome 4: Boehner holds firm (LOL) and the Tea Party conservatives in the house try to force a shut down over ObamaCare. If it succeeds the GOP needs to have several options: defund, delay, or change. The reason for all three options is to put pressure on Senate Dems to fight among themselves and Obama. Some will never want to open the law back up for fear the GOP will gut it, and some will want to open it up to save their political necks. If it fails then the Tea Party conservatives can say they tried and point out all the RINOs and Dems in the House and Senate again to the public to remember they supported hurting the American people by not supporting the fight against Obamacare.

Win, win, win, win as far as I am concerned.

Not guts no glory…If Boehner wants the Tea Party to role over he needs to give them a gift…or pay the price. This is politics…

William Eaton on December 11, 2013 at 6:20 PM

Or you can say it like Texans do, “He seems to be the kind of “bit$$h Obama likes best.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 11, 2013 at 6:21 PM

The GOPe is trying to compete with the Democrats by out ‘Democrating’ them on issues that play well with the Democrat base and moderates.

The GOPe is convinced that if that they can retain their memberships in the political class only if they can ‘give’ the Democrats base and moderates what they want… more benefits and ‘free’ stuff. Big Government is good for politicians. It virtually ensures their jobs. This is why they are supporting AMNESTY…along with almost every single thing the Democrats deign to toss to their base….rather than make the case for conservative governance and the rule of law…because at the end of the day, when the speeches have all been delivered… it’s their own career and maintenance of that membership in the political class that matters to our politicians. To Hell with the constituents, to Hell with the law, to Hell with the nation… just so long as they preserve their seat.

I’m inclined to believe that the GOPe is beyond reason at this point. They not only refuse to listen to their own base, but actually call us ‘ridiculous’, albeit indirectly at the moment as evinced by Boehner’s comment regarding those in the House who actually support the conservative position, insisting on catering to the Democrats base, instead.

Pain is the best teacher with unreasonable people. When I go to the polls, and I will go to the polls, I plan to vote out as many of the GOPe as possible locally, replacing those local members of the political class who love to cut a deal rather than represent the wishes of their constituents with conservatives.

If the GOPe tries to foist another RINO off on the base in the primaries for the presidency, I will vote for the Democrat…since this would force the GOPe to not only replace my lost vote, but get yet another to counter the vote I cast for the opposition, and yet a third to actually pull ahead. That’s pain, in so far as the GOPe is able to understand pain, ensconced as they are in the elitist and private club known as the political class where they deign to reign, rather than serve.

Some of you will gasp and ask how I could consider such a thing. It’s because reason has failed with the GOPe. Pain seems to be the only remaining teacher from which they may yet learn. Since the GOPe has failed to act in a way that is either moderate or conservative, actually helping the Democrats institute their agenda and allowing a sitting president to defy the constitution, legislating from his desk, and ignore the law at will, it makes no substantive and material difference if the next president has a “D” or an “R” after his name if that “R” stands for RINO.

thatsafactjack on December 11, 2013 at 6:23 PM

RovesChins on December 11, 2013 at 6:15 PM

No Republicans were ever on board with Obamacare and acting like Cruz is the first and only Republican trying to stop it is flat-out wrong. And the larger point is that if Cruz actually got his defund, then Cruz and all the Republicans would be taking arrows of blame by Obama and the Democrats for the disastrous roll-out (whether right or wrong). How does that help win the necessary majorities in 2014 and 2016 by handing Obama his perfect scapegoat on a silver platter.

Norbitz on December 11, 2013 at 6:26 PM

There are winners and losers.

The ones who quit before the contest never win.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 11, 2013 at 6:27 PM

Little Boy Bush was on Air Force One with the leaders of the commies on plant earth.

He did not have to do it.

It was a choice. The wrong choice. There with the center of evil.
Acting the fool.

Boehner makes a choice now.

We Tea Party Conservatives gave him the votes he and the RINO’s used to gain the Speakership. Now he wants to say he did the work and get the pay off.

He is a liar and a cheater to himself and U.S..

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 11, 2013 at 6:31 PM

RovesChins on December 11, 2013 at 6:15 PM

No Republicans were ever on board with Obamacare and acting like Cruz is the first and only Republican trying to stop it is flat-out wrong. And the larger point is that if Cruz actually got his defund, then Cruz and all the Republicans would be taking arrows of blame by Obama and the Democrats for the disastrous roll-out (whether right or wrong). How does that help win the necessary majorities in 2014 and 2016 by handing Obama his perfect scapegoat on a silver platter.

Norbitz on December 11, 2013 at 6:26 PM

No, but you had McCain and his ilk saying it was the law of the land, probably under the table at dinner with Obama.
Not everyone pays attention like we political junkies do, so Ted Cruz being blamed for trying to stop obamacare was pretty great, would’ve been even better if your type of rino surrender monkeys weren’t whining about not checking in with the do nothing leadership.
That obamacare anchor is firmly fitted around Obama’s neck, so don’t faint, nancy.

RovesChins on December 11, 2013 at 6:34 PM

Some of us are productive members of society and don’t have the luxury of constantly reading and posting.
 
bayam on December 11, 2013 at 4:47 PM

 
Twelve hours this semester?

rogerb on December 11, 2013 at 6:34 PM

Well we could wait for the gun fight to be over and claim there was no way to come to the aid of the Tea Party Conservatives in the House.

Just like Clinton and Obama did with Bengazie.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 11, 2013 at 6:36 PM

more importantly, to funding the government so that Republicans can’t be demagogued during another shutdown.

Bingo..Stay out of the wayand let Obiecare continue to crash..:)

Dire Straits on December 11, 2013 at 6:37 PM

So, keeping the pressue and sanctions on Iran will do the job and force them to give up nukes but keeping the pressure on Obama and the commie Democrats can not work.

that about it?

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 11, 2013 at 6:39 PM

“They’re using the American people for their own purposes. This is ridiculous.”

Shorter Boehner: Shut up, you guys! This is ridiculous.

socalcon on December 11, 2013 at 6:40 PM

Someone please give me a reason to ever support a Republican again.

besser tot als rot on December 11, 2013 at 6:41 PM

“The American people and their tax payer ID’s are for my and the two party evil cults use only.” Boehner etal and RINO’s and the commie Democrats.

They will force a fight, or the U.S. citizens will live under tyranny.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 11, 2013 at 6:43 PM

I think it’s silly to try to analyze whether a deal that would reduce the deficit by just $28 billion — over 10 years — is “good” or “bad.”

I reject this fraudulent accounting.

besser tot als rot on December 11, 2013 at 6:43 PM

Bingo..Stay out of the wayand let Obiecare continue to crash..:)

Dire Straits on December 11, 2013 at 6:37 PM

“They’re using the American people for their own purposes. This is ridiculous.”

Shorter Boehner: Shut up, you guys! This is ridiculous.

socalcon on December 11, 2013 at 6:40 PM

Stop it. The smell of pachyderm carrion is delightful!

WryTrvllr on December 11, 2013 at 6:44 PM

Vote for real deal conservative Republicans.

Not piss ant like this cry baby RINO Boehner.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 11, 2013 at 6:44 PM

monkeytoe didn’t say to give up. He’s saying to take a different tactic in the fight – a tactic that certainly has merit.

“I think we, as conservatives, need to sit out the next election.”

This, is not a tactic……..it’s pure lunacy.

Rovin on December 11, 2013 at 6:45 PM

more importantly, to funding the government so that Republicans can’t be demagogued during another shutdown.

Bingo..Stay out of the way and let Obiecare continue to crash seems to be the strategy of GOP house leadership..Safe play for their present position..:)

Dire Straits on December 11, 2013 at 6:37 PM

Fixed..:)

Dire Straits on December 11, 2013 at 6:46 PM

The one and only thing we have gotten in the last 3 years is now gone and we got nothing for it and Boehner is attacking conservatives.

If demoralizing anger was the goal they wanted from conservatives they are succeeding.

KMav on December 11, 2013 at 6:47 PM

I’m sure someone has already pointed this out, Senate Republicans can be against it because the Dems will pass it. House members are a bit tricky but they’ll get enough to pass it. And anyway, who cares. No legislation really means anything anyway, if the next Congress doesn’t change it, The Won will just pick and choose what he wants to pay attention to.

Cindy Munford on December 11, 2013 at 6:47 PM

This, is not a tactic……..it’s pure lunacy.

Rovin on December 11, 2013 at 6:45 PM

+ 100..:):)

Dire Straits on December 11, 2013 at 6:47 PM

The other hand is printing $80 Billion a month in new debt via fake money.

They aim to inflate their way out and leave U.S. on the bottom.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 11, 2013 at 6:47 PM

besser tot als rot on December 11, 2013 at 6:41 PM

I got nothing.

Cindy Munford on December 11, 2013 at 6:48 PM

Boehner, you don’t get it and you never will. You must be voted out of office or just plain resign on the basis of stupidity. You are a treacherous RINO of the worst kind. effin crybaby.

ultracon on December 11, 2013 at 6:49 PM

You know, before complaining about ‘playing with the American people’ one should have a budget without:

- subsidies to any company or individual
- support for ethanol as a fuel
- support for any ‘green’ initiative
- Obamacare funds
- all pork projects without exception
- all foreign payments to every country
- the UN

Because each and every one of these is ‘playing with the American people’ and abusing tax dollars meant to support a very few things that government MUST do. Each of those is optional spending meant to enrich cronies, lobbyists, and redistribute wealth utilizing a tax code that doesn’t meet constitutional snuff.

What he is complaining about is the American people playing BACK at Congress, and he doesn’t like it one little bit.

ajacksonian on December 11, 2013 at 6:49 PM

A clean CR would have been FANTASTIC compared to this deal.

besser tot als rot on December 11, 2013 at 6:50 PM

Now we know why the GOP didn’t want a clean CR. They wanted to hike spending and taxes instead.

besser tot als rot on December 11, 2013 at 6:51 PM

The conservative votes and voters are there, here and everywhere.

It is our duty to get out our votes/voters and win and not let the RINO’s win the seats in the House and Senate.

Turn out will cure it all, that and good people running.

If the U.S. fails now it will be because good people did nothing.

Things are still the same as when those words were put to pen and paper.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 11, 2013 at 6:51 PM

I always show up to vote. And I always will. I just won’t be voting for statist Republicans.

besser tot als rot on December 11, 2013 at 6:51 PM

Tell me you don’t agree with me and why, John, and I will at least listen to you.

Tell me you won’t listen to me because you don’t think I am acting in good faith as an American, John, and I will fire you.

You’re fired.

drunyan8315 on December 11, 2013 at 6:52 PM

Stop it. The smell of pachyderm carrion is delightful!

WryTrvllr on December 11, 2013 at 6:44 PM

Point taken..But it didn’t know the GOP was dead..Guess I missed the memo..:)

Dire Straits on December 11, 2013 at 6:53 PM

Monkeytoe on December 11, 2013 at 5:17 PM

I saved a copy of your write up. You wrote a good assessment.

1. Even though the RINOs manipulate the primaries, like marketing Rubio as Tea Party, or creating bogus candidates to split the vote, as they are already moving for the presidential primary it is worth eating the cr@p sandwich to get new blood

2. The deal breaker is amnesty. Boehner committed to amnesty.

Ryan, the front for all such games, has so called partial immigration bills ready, which will be merged in the Senate

They originally targeted amnesty for the shutdown. That was the reason for the amnesty demonstration. Ryan was supposed to walk in to the WH meetings, and walk out saying he was forced to accept amnesty but various factors ruined the game

Once they get amnesty, they lose the base. The new tactic is to discredit conservatives, and split off votes. Thus the Boehner insults today. They are trying to build a new base for the primaries.

If they think they have it, they will definitely go for amnesty after the primary. If they think it is impossible, they might try for amnesty sooner.

The RINOs still fear the masses. They are like sharks, bumping and testing. If they did not fear conservatives, amnesty would already be here

Amnesty is the end game. They think it will gain them the final power but they lose all if they fail

No choice but to fight. Amnesty is the great disenfranchiser.

entagor on December 11, 2013 at 6:54 PM

Stop it. The smell of pachyderm carrion is delightful!

WryTrvllr on December 11, 2013 at 6:44 PM

Point taken..But I didn’t know the GOP was dead..Guess I missed the memo..:)

Dire Straits on December 11, 2013 at 6:53 PM

Fixed..Sorry..:)

Dire Straits on December 11, 2013 at 6:54 PM

We have to accept higher taxes. And higher spending. And amnesty. So the Republicans can win. Because that’s what matters. Republican political victories. Policy? Future of this country? Not even a part of the equation.

besser tot als rot on December 11, 2013 at 6:56 PM

Boehner needs to go! Now!

AnnaS on December 11, 2013 at 6:56 PM

Steve Hayes is the man on the Special Report panel.

Cindy Munford on December 11, 2013 at 6:56 PM

Steve Hayes is the man on the Special Report panel.

Cindy Munford on December 11, 2013 at 6:56 PM

I wonder if I can get that on Roku.

besser tot als rot on December 11, 2013 at 6:57 PM

Stop it. The smell of pachyderm carrion is delightful!

WryTrvllr on December 11, 2013 at 6:44 PM

Point taken..But I didn’t know the GOP was dead..Guess I missed the memo..:)

Dire Straits on December 11, 2013 at 6:53 PM

Fixed..Sorry..:)

Dire Straits on December 11, 2013 at 6:54 PM

Are you kidding? Everyone in the joint is bloodthirsty for anything with a tusk or horn.

I’d be shorting ivory right now if it was legal.

Chinese guys should be happy though.

WryTrvllr on December 11, 2013 at 6:59 PM

This, is not a tactic……..it’s pure lunacy.

Rovin on December 11, 2013 at 6:45 PM

Oh yeah. Cause supporting the GOP for the last 20 years has worked oh-so-well, hasn’t it?/

gryphon202 on December 11, 2013 at 7:00 PM

besser tot als rot on December 11, 2013 at 6:56 PM

RIGHT! Let’s give the dems the house too!! No difference right?

WryTrvllr on December 11, 2013 at 7:00 PM

I’m glad I invested in long arms. We’re going broke.

I’ll need them for small game,, rabbits, squirrels and such.

I’m a bad shot. That’s why I need 30 round mags and the best optics money can buy.

Sometimes I run ten rounds, and go down range and there’s only one bullet hole dead center. The other 9 must have missed.

I’m not going to starve to save any politicians hide. I’ve got 5 years of ramen noodles behind me buyibg those long arms to cover my own arse.

wolly4321 on December 11, 2013 at 7:00 PM

A Pres. Christy is part of the amnesty lust.

If they get him they will do it then if they do not do it now.

They think the new Tax Payer ID’s will get them past to deaths door before the thing comes apart.

They are just buying time and they hope for a escape route.

They know the revolt will come when no more money can be printed, they can not tax more and they can not borrow more.

The time comes and they know and fear/terror rules them now.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 11, 2013 at 7:01 PM

Someone please give me a reason to ever support a Republican again.

besser tot als rot on December 11, 2013 at 6:41 PM

Nancy Pelosi

WryTrvllr on December 11, 2013 at 7:03 PM

WryTrvllr on December 11, 2013 at 7:00 PM

Sure, different people get our tax money.

Cindy Munford on December 11, 2013 at 7:03 PM

RIGHT! Let’s give the dems the house too!! No difference right?

WryTrvllr on December 11, 2013 at 7:00 PM

Pretty much.

besser tot als rot on December 11, 2013 at 7:03 PM

The only prayer that we have that Obamacare will get repealed is if the Democrats do it. The Republican never will.

besser tot als rot on December 11, 2013 at 7:04 PM

Nancy Pelosi

WryTrvllr on December 11, 2013 at 7:03 PM

She’s already running the House.

besser tot als rot on December 11, 2013 at 7:05 PM

What do you call it when contentious bill pass the House with more Democrat votes than Republican votes? That means the Republicans are in charge? I think not.

besser tot als rot on December 11, 2013 at 7:05 PM

Boehner: These conservative groups who are objecting to the budget deal are “ridiculous”

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These Congressional Representatives who are pushing the “budget deal”, are: . . . (insert your favorite adjective, HERE)

listens2glenn on December 11, 2013 at 7:06 PM

President Terry McAuliffe then.

WryTrvllr on December 11, 2013 at 7:08 PM

“You mean the groups that came out and opposed it before they ever saw it?” Boehner said to a journalist who had asked him about the groups’ opposition.

Yeah, think of it as our Obamacare.

“They’re using our members and they’re using the American people for their own goals. This is ridiculous.”

As opposed to your donors? The very nerve of them.

Cindy Munford on December 11, 2013 at 7:08 PM

besser tot als rot on December 11, 2013 at 6:57 PM

Try the Right Scoop in a few minutes..Excellent site I might add..:)

Dire Straits on December 11, 2013 at 7:10 PM

I’m 45. I’ll be able to buy catfood to eat with my SS check in 20 years, right?

Or will the interest on our debt change? Or a million other timebombs go off…

wolly4321 on December 11, 2013 at 7:10 PM

Some of us are productive members of society and don’t have the luxury of constantly reading and posting.

bayam on December 11, 2013 at 4:47 PM

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You do realize every time you say something like that, the rest of us collectively say “Barbra Streisand”.

listens2glenn on December 11, 2013 at 7:12 PM

WryTrvllr on December 11, 2013 at 7:08 PM

Interesting spectrum you have going. I guess it never occurred to you that we might get some conservatives in the mix instead of lying D.C. types? Legislation is so yesterday. Especially when it isn’t upheld or enforced by anyone in D.C.. I may just be an ATM machine now but I’m going to be an annoyingly loud ATM machine.

Cindy Munford on December 11, 2013 at 7:12 PM

Most economists expected the stimulus to stop the economy from its nosedive and avoid a full-blown depression and a lost decade in the mold of Japan. Unfortunately your expectations were never realistic, bordering on foolish, esp. when you consider the scope of the asset bubble collapse.

Torching more of those ‘strawmen’ there, clueless? The statistics for the GDP growth and unemployment targets came directly from….. Christine Romer and Larry Summers of the President’s Economic Council….in the famous chart…

Even you should be able to look at the chart and see their predictions as to what the economy would be doing if the stimulus was passed – versus if it was not passed. Lo and behold, it was passed, and did even worse than if it wasn’t passed. Guess that’s change you can believe in, eh?

First, there was only a single major stimulus measure, and it prevented a complete economic meltdown. The $1 trillion deficit was inherited by Obama, not something the administration created out of thin air (called a structural deficit). As for follow-up stimulus actions by the government, those simply never happened, despite your incredibly dishonest claims to the contrary. This country and its economy have generally stayed true to Bush tax policies, with only relatively tax hikes, primarily targeting the wealthy.

Let me try to use small simple numbers for you.

Federal Spending in FY2007 was $2.7T
Federal Spending in FY2008 was $2.9T as originally requested. (More on FY2008 and FY2009 to correct your other blather…)
Federal Spending in FY2009 was $3T requested by Bush including TARP, actual FY2009 spending was $3.6T after TARP and with Porkulus included…
Federal Spending in FY2010 was $3.5T
Federal Spending in FY2011 was $3.6T
Federal Spending in FY2012 was $3.538T
Federal Spending in FY2013 was $3.45T with sequester
Federal Spending in FY2014 is projected to be $3.77T

When the stimulus was passed, the spending that year was $3.6T. That number includes the 1 time stimulus. Yet, every year since then spending has been within $150B of that number, with FY2014 being projected as $170B higher – yet in 2010,2011,2012,2013, and 2014 there was no stimulus. Simply put for you, including the stimulus is now the new normal. (It’s why Reid has rejected doing a budget in the Senate and prefers to operate under CR’s – it’s related to spending in the current year as compared to the spending in the previous year.)

Finally, your claim that the deficit remains at $1 tril is untrue. According to the CBO, tax cuts were the primary drivers of today’s lower deficit. Tell us, how does $680 bil equate to $1 tril in the right wing world?

This President in 5 years, added over $6.25T to the national debt. He has, and is the only President, who has averaged more than a $1T deficit for each and every year he has been President. (You can divide 5 into 6.25T?)

The $680B deficit from last year is a combination of accounting gimmicks and the effects of a tax increases which drove up revenues. The FY2014 current projects is for a $744B – $750B deficit.

Of course, I’m also sure that you are also willing to believe, if we look beyond 2015, that revenues will continue to increase at an unprecedented level despite a stagnant economy combined with the assumption that Obamacare and entitlement expenditures will trend well under the current trajectory.

But let’s give credit when the credit is due. Obama did have $1.4T deficits – and he has now halved them while in the process owning 6 of the 7 largest annual deficits (1943 being the outlier) in the history of this country. By the way, don’t we boycott and prosecute stores who double their prices before putting something on sale 50% off?

Let’s also give credit where credit is due. The ‘unpatriotic’ George W. Bush inherited a national debt of $5.6B – about 34% of GDP. When he left office, the national debt was $10.25B. Dubya added just under $5B to the national debt in 8 years.

Today, the national debt is $17.15T. An increase of $6.9T in just 5 years in office – and we are on the trajectory of exceeding $20T by the time Barack Obama leaves office. He’s going to double the national debt – adding ~$10T in his 8 years in office while delivering 35 year lows in labor participation, and the weakest / slowest economic recovery since the Great Depression.

Yeah, conservatives are just pikers when it comes to Paulie and you in economics….

bayam on December 11, 2013 at 4:06 PM

Athos on December 11, 2013 at 7:12 PM

Sure, different people get our tax money.

Cindy Munford on December 11, 2013 at 7:03 PM

You still work under the mistaken assumption this country is anything but broke. And 4 more years of O’bozo, which was guaranteed by conservatives sitting 2012 out, has only made it worse.

So, let’s do it again!

WryTrvllr on December 11, 2013 at 7:12 PM

Interesting spectrum you have going. I guess it never occurred to you that we might get some conservatives in the mix instead of lying D.C. types? Legislation is so yesterday. Especially when it isn’t upheld or enforced by anyone in D.C.. I may just be an ATM machine now but I’m going to be an annoyingly loud ATM machine.

Cindy Munford on December 11, 2013 at 7:12 PM

Name them. That way I can quote you when you abandon them later if they don’t agree with you on everything.

WryTrvllr on December 11, 2013 at 7:14 PM

if they don’t agree with you on everything.

WryTrvllr on December 11, 2013 at 7:14 PM

The laziest, stupidest straw man of all time.

besser tot als rot on December 11, 2013 at 7:20 PM

WryTrvllr on December 11, 2013 at 6:59 PM

lolz..I hear you..:)

Dire Straits on December 11, 2013 at 7:20 PM

Paul Ryan…..A shining light of Traitorous support of OPEN BORDERS.

#romneyryankeepsonfailing

#imgladwelostin2012

#nomoreprogressivesleadingthegop

#budgetsmeannothing

PappyD61 on December 9, 2013 at 6:56 PM

That was one enlightening thread, that one. Straw man and all

WryTrvllr on December 11, 2013 at 7:23 PM

Speaker Boehner the message is simple.

Stop the spending.

What part of this do you not comprehend?

ajacksonian on December 11, 2013 at 7:23 PM

WryTrvllr on December 11, 2013 at 7:14 PM

It’s not so much that they disagree with me, I’m don’t demand that kind of allegiance. But they might try agreeing with themselves a bit more consistently. I realize situations change but I’m a little bit tired of being lied to. Rubio is one I can give you off the top of my head. And I’ll probably still vote for him again but just don’t expect everyone to shut up and be glad about this crap. Slightly better is exactly that…..slightly better.

Cindy Munford on December 11, 2013 at 7:24 PM

Someone please give me a reason to ever support a Republican again.

besser tot als rot on December 11, 2013 at 6:41 PM

There isn’t.

tetriskid on December 11, 2013 at 7:25 PM

WryTrvllr on December 11, 2013 at 7:12 PM

I didn’t sit out, I dutifully obeyed those who are smarter than me. Gosh it’s been swell. And even if the government is broke, they keep taking money from me and giving them it to their little pet donors projects. Would it kill Congress to put some incentives in legislation to encourage savings instead of automatic increases in spending every budget year. Are we asking for the Moon?

Cindy Munford on December 11, 2013 at 7:27 PM

The Democrat Progressive Socialists are destroying the country,the GOP is aiding and abetting them.Only a conservative third Party can begin the process of removing the latter as an obstacle to stopping the former!

redware on December 11, 2013 at 7:30 PM

WE NEED A CHANGE IN GOP LEADERSHIP!!!!!!!

Enough with boner, ryan, McConnell etc. Their is NO difference between the parties.

With the RNC already trying to RIG the presidential primaries, convention etc.. It gives we conservatives only two choices. Either form a conservative party or don’t vote. Not voting doesn’t change anything because RINO’s and democrats are so similar!

Danielvito on December 11, 2013 at 7:31 PM

Hey, let’s throw in the towel. Tune out, drop out, quit, surrender, what ever it takes to destroy these phony conservatives.

Stay home, and help a progressive!

Rovin on December 11, 2013 at 6:04 PM

Exactly what I’m going to do. When this thing comes apart the Demss and RINOs can own it and the pissed off mob will know exactly what to do with them…

Doomsday on December 11, 2013 at 7:33 PM

The Democrat Progressive Socialists are destroying the country,the GOP is aiding and abetting them.Only a conservative third Party can begin the process of removing the latter as an obstacle to stopping the former!

redware on December 11, 2013 at 7:30 PM

This!

Doomsday on December 11, 2013 at 7:35 PM

Stay home, and help a progressive!

Rovin on December 11, 2013 at 6:04 PM

I’m confused … is that better or worse than voting Republican and helping a progressive?

besser tot als rot on December 11, 2013 at 7:37 PM

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