Boehner: These conservative groups who are objecting to the budget deal are “ridiculous”

posted at 1:54 pm on December 11, 2013 by Allahpundit

Via Mediaite, between this and Mitch McConnell’s allies trying to blacklist allies of the Senate Conservatives Fund, I’d say the battle between the GOP leadership and righty PACs is now fully joined.

I think it’s silly to try to analyze whether a deal that would reduce the deficit by just $28 billion — over 10 years — is “good” or “bad.” When the stakes are that small, heated arguments over whether it’s a step in the right or wrong direction are like challenging the spot on a one-yard run when it’s third and long and you’re pinned at your own 10-yard line. Who cares? Every inch matters, I guess, but the odds of scoring on the drive will barely change if the spot’s three inches one way or the other. What this deal really is for leadership is the Shutdown Prevention Act of 2013. They’re terrified that if there’s another budget standoff next month and the government goes unfunded again, all of the anti-ObamaCare momentum that the GOP has built up against Democrats right now will disintegrate. Avoiding that is their top priority, so they agreed to swap policy gains for political ones: In return for the GOP agreeing to undo some sequester cuts and accept certain “user fees” (a.k.a. taxes), Democrats agreed to some very modest entitlement savings in the distant future and, more importantly, to funding the government so that Republicans can’t be demagogued during another shutdown.

If you want a more thoughtful take than that, try Yuval Levin, who thinks this was a not-entirely-terrible bargain by Republicans under unfavorable circumstances, or Phil Klein, who thinks it was indeed pretty terrible. Levin’s argument, boiled down, is simple: You’re not going to get anything meaningful done with Democrats in power so make sure at least to avoid a shutdown and bank whatever mandatory spending cuts you can, if only to set a precedent. Klein’s argument is also simple: If it’s setting precedents we’re worried about, how about the precedent of undoing sequester cuts now for vaporous entitlement cuts circa 2022 that might never happen? Fair points in both cases, but again, it’s because the stakes are so small that the deal needs to be analyzed in terms of its symbolic value. E.g., would GOP leaders rather agree to a bad deal on spending that takes the shutdown option away from tea partiers or hold out for a better deal on spending that leaves tea partiers with leverage? Whom do they fear most?

Which raises another question, as framed by Ben Domenech on Twitter this afternoon: If you’re Boehner and you know your base is going to dislike the terms here, why antagonize them by sneering at how “ridiculous” conservative PAC opposition is? Noah Rothman from Mediaite countered that maybe that’s deliberate by Boehner, to signal to independents who have warmed to the GOP in the aftermath of the O-Care meltdown that the party hasn’t been captured by tea partiers. Could be, but the nastier leadership gets, the greater the risk that tea-party conservatives in the House will revolt against the deal. (They already seem to be leaning that way.) That’s not fatal to Boehner — obviously, a bipartisan compromise is designed to pass with Democratic votes too — but some liberals will walk here because of the mandatory spending cuts later. The more upset there is in the GOP caucus, the greater the risk that the whole thing implodes. Where that leaves Boehner — and Paul Ryan — if it does, I don’t know.

Exit question via Matt Lewis: Did the failure of the “defund” effort make this deal possible? You only get one shot at a shutdown, realistically, before centrist Republicans decide they’re not going to be dragged along on another wild ride that risks further damaging the party’s brand. Between their weariness at the thought of another shutdown next month and everyone wanting to get home for Christmas, Boehner will probably have more support than we think.


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Bmore on December 11, 2013 at 2:54 PM

ryan and boehner bring to mind a punch lien: we already established what you are, were just haggling over the price

if there was a shutdon, people would totally forget that their families are being screwed out of insurance, money, doctors and medicne by obamacare. why wuld these geniuses in dc think that?

casel21 on December 11, 2013 at 2:54 PM

Some of you people are too hilarious. It’s been obvious that many Tea Partiers lack an adequate education, but the low information voter now reigns supreme?
 
bayam on December 11, 2013 at 2:41 PM

 
Good to see you again, bayam. We’ve missed you on the Obamacare threads.

rogerb on December 11, 2013 at 2:55 PM

Some of you people are too hilarious. It’s been obvious that many Tea Partiers lack an adequate education, but the low information voter now reigns supreme?

You can’t embrace austerity spending cuts in the wake of a massive, once in a generation financial crisis when the economy is still trying to recover from a historic collapse in asset prices. For hose who lack an understanding of basic economics, the policy of spending cuts as a response to sluggish growth has never had a pleasant ending. Most Wall Street economists pegged a 1% to 1.5% cut in GDP as a result of the sequester, which correlates to millions of jobs suppressed and never created.

The time to balance the budget is when the job market has recovered and GDP growth is back on track. At that time, the deficit will naturally start to fall as a simple consequence of higher tax revenues. And perhaps the GOP will actually have the political muscle to force spending cuts, as opposed to control of only the Congress.

bayam on December 11, 2013 at 2:41 PM

That’s great. Maybe you can tell us what GDP growth is required in order to pay for 100+ trillion in unfunded entitlement liabilities, service the debt if interest rates return to historical norms and start to reduce the deficit?

Thanks.

gwelf on December 11, 2013 at 2:58 PM

Unfortunately, primarying Boehnor is virtually impossible. The game is rigged.

Myron Falwell on December 11, 2013 at 2:00 PM

If he survives the primary people should vote against him in the general, IMO. There is going to be an anti-Democrat wave in ’14, the Republican Party is probably doing to take back the Senate and keep the House even if Boehner and McConnell lose their seats, and it will be a lot easier to dislodge the Dem freshmen in a few years than it is to dislodge corrupt GOP leaders in primaries. Primarying them would be preferable, though, and I’m not sure I agree it’s impossible.

It will be worth having a slightly less majority in Congress to get rid of Boehner and McConnell. If the GOP takes back the Senate and House in ’14 with Boehner and McConnell are in control, what have we gained? Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. If all the ’14 election achieves is to replace one set of unprincipled crony politicians with a different set of crony politicians then it will set back efforts to reform government.

FloatingRock on December 11, 2013 at 2:59 PM

It’s been obvious that many Tea Partiers lack an adequate education

bayam on December 11, 2013 at 2:41 PM

Not really.

https://www.ijreview.com/2013/10/87474-yale-professors-surprising-discovery-tea-party-supporters-scientifically-literate/

CurtZHP on December 11, 2013 at 3:00 PM

Why does this remind me of school-faculty fights where the intensity is so vicious because the stakes are so small?

Another Drew on December 11, 2013 at 3:03 PM

I’d love to see the Dems fight defund/delay after all that has transpired since they defended it during the shutdown.

Happy Nomad on December 11, 2013 at 2:44 PM

Exactly.

In fact you can use this to get concessions not just from Dems but from the GOP moderates and RINOs. If I was the Tea Party Republicans here is what I would say to Boehner…

Ok, you want us to go quietly and accept this Ryan budget deal. Well what do we get out this? We are making a sacrifice so what do you sacrifice? Boehner, Cantor, Ryan, and the entire GOP leadership must sign a legal document with photographs of you guys signing it that you will not push for immigration reform until after we have a new president. If you refuse we will push to shut the government down again, not over the budget but over ObamaCare!

Now maybe they would lie about it, like Hitler did at Munich, but I don’t think Boehner and pals have the guts to break a deal like that..too sissified to do it. Boehner will freak at the notion of another shutdown battle of ObamaCare and force Boehner and his business donor folks to figure out what is most important to them, preventing another shutdown OR immigration reform.

I believe in compromise, they say the Tea Party folks don’t want to compromise…how this as a compromise! They wanted so lets give it to them!

William Eaton on December 11, 2013 at 3:04 PM

It’s been obvious that many Tea Partiers lack an adequate education

bayam on December 11, 2013 at 2:41 PM

Before talking about the education of Tea Partiers, you might want to take some remedial elementary school math courses. If you’re really brave, you might even consider accounting courses.

Doomberg on December 11, 2013 at 3:04 PM

CurtZHP on December 11, 2013 at 3:00 PM

Confirmed by that notorious Right-Wing rag, they New York Times.
Also confirmed by Pew many years ago in a study of Rush Limbaugh listeners.

Another Drew on December 11, 2013 at 3:05 PM

Most Wall Street economists pegged a 1% to 1.5% cut in GDP as a result of the sequester, which correlates to millions of jobs suppressed and never created.
bayam on December 11, 2013 at 2:41 PM

And the subsequenet results proved the “Wall Street economists” (whoever that is) very wrong on that.

tommyboy on December 11, 2013 at 3:05 PM

Conservatives have no home in US politics. The Republicans are just democRAT light. No need to vote any more, Repubs GFYs!

Doomsday on December 11, 2013 at 3:07 PM

tommyboy on December 11, 2013 at 3:05 PM

Most likely they relied on that always correct Nobel Laureate and Enron-Advisor, Paul Krugman.

Another Drew on December 11, 2013 at 3:08 PM

Many GOP members — including deficit hawks — are livid with the conservative groups demanding they walk one plank too many in October. And I concur. We were in a hole and they demanded we kept digging.

matthew8787 on December 11, 2013 at 2:53 PM

A more apt description would be Pickett’s charge. After forcing the GOP on a suicidal charge last October, they now want the same thing over something so small and inconsequential as this budget. Many GOP members who survived the charge are not in the mood to risk their jobs over something like this again, especially after the GOP recovered thanks to the blunders of Obamacare.

The same fools who are promising all sorts of retribution over this are toothless dogs. They castrated themselves last October when their strategy of shutting down the government over defunding blew up in their face. Well, now is the time when they reap what they sowed.

eva3071 on December 11, 2013 at 3:11 PM

$28 billion — over 10 years

And that will likely be taken out in the next budget just like they removed much of the sequester savings in this budget.

Did the failure of the “defund” effort make this deal possible?

Is it really a failure when you admit you’re going to surrender and you run around telling folks it will be your fault before the effort ever gets underway?

I believe the phrase from Ed was “live to fight another day.”

Happy Nomad

That’s Ed’s preferred strategy on every issue.

My guess is that MJBrutus already votes Democratic most of the time.

bw222

He admitted that winning is all that matters, so I’m guessing he voted for Obama at least twice.

xblade on December 11, 2013 at 3:13 PM

Conservatives have no home in US politics. The Republicans are just democRAT light. No need to vote any more, Repubs GFYs!

Doomsday on December 11, 2013 at 3:07 PM

With the democrats, their media lackeys, the RINO democrat lite wing all attacking the principled conservatives, you’re right.
Take a bow, Boehner. That’s what Obama handles our enemies.

RovesChins on December 11, 2013 at 3:13 PM

In any which case, the true conservatives record at defeating the GOP establishment is, how shall we say, dismal. If they can’t defeat the “surrender weasels”, how can they defeat the Democrats?

eva3071 on December 11, 2013 at 3:13 PM

if there was a shutdon, people would totally forget that their families are being screwed out of insurance, money, doctors and medicne by obamacare. why wuld these geniuses in dc think that?

casel21

Keep in mind, these are the same geniuses who got on tv as often as possible to claim that the shutdown over the disaster of Obamacare was a distraction from the Obamacare disaster.

xblade on December 11, 2013 at 3:15 PM

It only blew up because of the surrender. If we’re fighting side-by-side, don’t surrender and then blame the defeat on me.

blink on December 11, 2013 at 3:16 PM

Excuses are excuses, but the results are the same, and all that matter.

eva3071 on December 11, 2013 at 3:17 PM

Boehner 2010: “We get it.”

Boehner 2014: “Get bent.”

madmonkphotog on December 11, 2013 at 3:19 PM

In any which case, the true conservatives record at defeating the GOP establishment is, how shall we say, dismal. If they can’t defeat the “surrender weasels”, how can they defeat the Democrats?

eva3071 on December 11, 2013 at 3:13 PM

Nope. It wasn’t Boehner orMcCain who made Obama and company own obamacare. It was a conservative.
It will reap rewards in 2014.
Rome was not built in one day, but lean forward, honey. That’s what the RINOS do.

RovesChins on December 11, 2013 at 3:19 PM

Strong, principled stands.

blink on December 11, 2013 at 3:17 PM

Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! From RINOs…that’s the funniest statement I’ve seen in a long time.

Doomsday on December 11, 2013 at 3:19 PM

I agree with Heritage Action in their message to the Congress Critters:

The upcoming vote on the Ryan-Murray budget deal is not to be taken lightly. Our nation currently faces an enormous debt caused by Congress’s continual deficit spending. Yet another spend-now-cut-later deal won’t solve the problem. Because it is a continuation of Washington’s reckless spending, the Ryan-Murray budget deal should be opposed.

1.Increasing spending now for cuts in the future is a promise that is always made but never fulfilled. Don’t fall for it.

2.It is reckless to throw off the minimal spending restraints in the sequester to increase spending this and next year.

3.Please stand with conservatives to actually limit spending. Don’t let this budget deal pave the way for President Obama’s dormant second-term agenda.

Fallon on December 11, 2013 at 3:20 PM

What’s next? Boehner and Ryan taking “selfies” with Obama at their own funerals?

Metaphorically, duh.

Fallon on December 11, 2013 at 3:23 PM

Between their weariness at the thought of another shutdown next month and everyone wanting to get home for Christmas, Boehner will probably have more support than we think. – ap

From whom?

“They’re using our members and they’re using the American people to further their own goals,” Boehner said Wednesday. “This is ridiculous.”

He has declared open war on conservatives in his party, in concert with the Zuckerberg-US Chamber of Commerce crowd – the Businessmen Without Borders

The time to balance the budget is when the job market has recovered and GDP growth is back on track. At that time, the deficit will naturally start to fall as a simple consequence of higher tax revenues. And perhaps the GOP will actually have the political muscle to force spending cuts, as opposed to control of only the Congress.
bayam on December 11, 2013 at 2:41 PM

Cant happen until they cut spending. Only QE money printing is holding up the market. As the dollar is overprinted it takes more dollars to buy the same stock. When QE stops, there will be no upticks. Boehner is just making the inevitable crash bigger.Obviously he does not care as long as he retains control

. If a good GOP candidate along the lines of Brad Wenstrup, who primaried Jean Schmidt (yes, a weak Congresswoman), surfaces, Boehner could be in trouble. I don’t know who likes Boehner in his district, but I think they’re finally tired of him.
BuckeyeSam on December 11, 2013 at 2:43 PM

Party regulars never want to primary the guy with the paid muscle. Boehner has a war chest that is unreal. Scroll down this opensecrets page to the bar graph. Look at 2012. The Money being dumped on him is unreal. However, that very suspicious mountain of money could be used against him by a smart opponent

Boehner’s challenger would have to have gonads of steel

or love their country more than life itself. Could happen since the country is on life support

Just as with McConnell, if you run against Boehner, they will bring out the bone breakers. That includes the Zuckerberg, Chamber of Commerce, IRS, NSA, yes even the MSM. The MSM will trash any Boehner opposition. Even WAPO is now owned by Bezos of Amazon.com

This is bigger than inter party. The Globalists want their men in both parties.

entagor on December 11, 2013 at 3:24 PM

For hose who lack an understanding of basic economics like I do, we just make shit up to try and cover for our ignorance.

bayam

FIFY.

xblade on December 11, 2013 at 3:25 PM

No, people like YOU are to blame for the loss. Cowards that would rather lose in the long run than stand and fight the necessary fight now.

blink on December 11, 2013 at 3:19 PM

And I suppose the true conservatives are entirely blameless in that fiasco? Those of us who knew what the outcome of that strategy would be called you on it before it happened. Suicide charges are not the way to win a battle.

Strong, principled stands.

blink on December 11, 2013 at 3:17 PM

And yet the true conservatives lose battle after battle with both the Establishment and the Democrats.

eva3071 on December 11, 2013 at 3:26 PM

Now maybe they would lie about it, like Hitler did at Munich, but I don’t think Boehner and pals have the guts to break a deal like that.

William Eaton on December 11, 2013 at 3:04 PM

The GOP broke every promise they made to the tea party before the ’10 election. They have no problem betraying conservatives, only their cronies.

FloatingRock on December 11, 2013 at 3:27 PM

Well, we wanted a GOP that could fight. Now if we can only get one that fights the Democrats!

PersonFromPorlock on December 11, 2013 at 3:27 PM

I’m done.

I think I would have rather lived 100 years ago when the United States was on the ascendancy.

Yeah, perhaps there would have been more poverty, communicable diseases, and corruption.

Wait a minute. I think we are there. More people on food stamps, antibiotic resistance, and .

I am changing my registration to Decline to State.

Politics no more.

islandman78 on December 11, 2013 at 3:29 PM

only their cronies.

To clarify: their cronies are the only ones the GOP won’t betray.

FloatingRock on December 11, 2013 at 3:29 PM

I just don’t see what we conservatives got out of the Ryan back-stabbing. What were his objectives going in? It’s obvious the dems had an objective: get rid of the sequester.

What was Ryan fighting for? I see no gains whatsoever.

Wino on December 11, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Well, here is the chance for true conservatives to prove they have what it takes to win. Defeat the establishment, and claim the party for your own. If you can’t defeat them, you certainly can’t defeat the Democrats. Think of it as a…proving measure.

eva3071 on December 11, 2013 at 3:32 PM

No, people like YOU are to blame for the loss. Cowards that would rather lose in the long run than stand and fight the necessary fight now.

blink on December 11, 2013 at 3:19 PM

And I suppose the true conservatives are entirely blameless in that fiasco? Those of us who knew what the outcome of that strategy would be called you on it before it happened. Suicide charges are not the way to win a battle.

Strong, principled stands.

blink on December 11, 2013 at 3:17 PM

And yet the true conservatives lose battle after battle with both the Establishment and the Democrats.

eva3071 on December 11, 2013 at 3:26 PM

Nobody told me Meghan McCain registered on HA. Is that why comments are in the toilet?

Now, sweetie, you just keep giving up. Better yet, grab your ankles and sigh a lot.
The rest of us wacko birds are going to increase our numbers in 2014.

RovesChins on December 11, 2013 at 3:33 PM

eva3071 on December 11, 2013 at 3:32 PM

That is, if you’ve got the balls…

eva3071 on December 11, 2013 at 3:33 PM

Hey PFP, you can’t have everything.

Another Drew on December 11, 2013 at 3:34 PM

bayam on December 11, 2013 at 2:41 PM

Bringing on the standard canards and talking points from the former Enron consultant, I see…

You can’t embrace austerity spending cuts in the wake of a massive, once in a generation financial crisis when the economy is still trying to recover from a historic collapse in asset prices.

You can when you bloat spending by $850B – $900B all in the name of a ‘one year stimulus’ package enacted in March 2009 and to last through the end of the fiscal year…but is embodied in the FY2011, FY2012, FY2013, FY2014, and based on the agreement between Ryan / Murray, FY2015 and FY2016.

Particularly when that ‘one year stimulus’ that was promised to generate in 5 years a 4.5% to 5% annual GDP growth and a sub 6% unemployment rate.

What actually happened? After 5 ‘one year stimuluses’, we have <2.5% annual GDP growth, a labor participation rate floating just above a 35 year low with 5 million more people out of work today than were in the work force when the stimulus passed, and a real unemployment rate, assuming the same labor participation rate of March 2009, of 11.6%.

Clearly, the stimulus has failed to 'stimulate' a robust economic recovery, and there is no longer any need to continue to suck out of the economy nearly $1T to overspend on waste, fraud, and expanded entitlements.

For hose who lack an understanding of basic economics, the policy of spending cuts as a response to sluggish growth has never had a pleasant ending.

Interesting – particularly from someone’s who grasp of economics is tenuous at best. Let’s use Europe as a historical example. Greece, for years, fought against ‘austerity’, continued to spend far more than it took in, and remains in a debt / spending crisis with massive unemployment, dismal growth, and dependent on bailouts in order to avoid bankruptcy. Meanwhile, Germany, embraced ‘austerity’ during the global financial crisis of 2008-9 by limiting their government spending and focusing on policies that encouraged business growth and activity. Germany remains the healthiest economy in Europe.

Most Wall Street economists pegged a 1% to 1.5% cut in GDP as a result of the sequester, which correlates to millions of jobs suppressed and never created.

Nice strawman. So, in an economy that generates nearly $15.8T in it’s annual GDP, a sequester of $82 billion of spending in a $3.7T annual budget would knock 1% to 1.5% out of the GDP? Sorry, government spending doesn’t impact the GDP / economy to that level – particularly only $82B. On that basis, the $850B increase in spending should have resulted in 10% or more GDP growth.

The time to balance the budget is when the job market has recovered and GDP growth is back on track. At that time, the deficit will naturally start to fall as a simple consequence of higher tax revenues.

..higher tax revenues generated by the economic growth, right? Nice advocacy of supply-side economics, aka Reaganomics.

The problem we have now with that theory is that the policies of Barack Obama, the Congressional Democrats / Vichy Republicans, and Paulie, are not, and will not contribute to a recovery of either the job market or the launching of a viable recovery via GDP growth. The recession ended in June 2009 – and neither has happened despite $3T of additional government spending and before we even start to consider the impact of more trillions via QE injected into the economy.

We are faced with a binary choice at this point. We can continue to follow the economic policies as done by Zimbabwe, South Africa, Greece, Portugal, Spain, France, Ireland, and Cyprus – knowing the end game as most of them are reaching it – or we can decide to follow the economic policies as demonstrated by Germany, Singapore, and the US under Ronald Reagan to throttle the power and growth of government in exchange for enabling businesses, markets, and economic growth. Then, yes, the economic growth will add to government revenues – and combined with spending cuts, result in a real move away from the disastrous debt trajectory this country is on.

Athos on December 11, 2013 at 3:34 PM

Wahhhhhh, I want stuff!

Another Drew on December 11, 2013 at 3:35 PM

Nobody told me Meghan McCain registered on HA. Is that why comments are in the toilet?

Now, sweetie, you just keep giving up. Better yet, grab your ankles and sigh a lot.
The rest of us wacko birds are going to increase our numbers in 2014.

RovesChins on December 11, 2013 at 3:33 PM

with an attitude like that it will be a wonder you would win anything.

eva3071 on December 11, 2013 at 3:37 PM

Boehner is forgetting the conservatives he bashes are the reason he is the speaker. What an a-hole.

birdwatcher on December 11, 2013 at 3:37 PM

And yet the true conservatives lose battle after battle with both the Establishment and the Democrats.

eva3071 on December 11, 2013 at 3:26 PM

And what “battles” have you won, sweetheart?

Or do you even know what “battle” means?

rrpjr on December 11, 2013 at 3:42 PM

Nobody told me Meghan McCain registered on HA. Is that why comments are in the toilet?

Now, sweetie, you just keep giving up. Better yet, grab your ankles and sigh a lot.
The rest of us wacko birds are going to increase our numbers in 2014.

RovesChins on December 11, 2013 at 3:33 PM

with an attitude like that it will be a wonder you would win anything.

eva3071 on December 11, 2013 at 3:37 PM

Don’t forget to clutch your pearls, sugar. Just because the media praises your boys doesn’t mean they won.
They most likely just got r@ped.
Enjoy, you spineless sow.

RovesChins on December 11, 2013 at 3:45 PM

Don’t forget to clutch your pearls, sugar. Just because the media praises your boys doesn’t mean they won.
They most likely just got r@ped.
Enjoy, you spineless sow.

RovesChins on December 11, 2013 at 3:45 PM

Like I said, it is a wonder you could win anything with an attitude like that.

eva3071 on December 11, 2013 at 3:48 PM

Boehner is sounding like he’s tired of his job.

ChristianRock on December 11, 2013 at 3:51 PM

Together We Thrive™

Murphy9 on December 11, 2013 at 3:52 PM

I don’t want this budget deal.
I also don’t want any distractions to take the attention away from obamacare.
Tough choice.

Ronnie on December 11, 2013 at 3:52 PM

Don’t forget to clutch your pearls, sugar. Just because the media praises your boys doesn’t mean they won.
They most likely just got r@ped.
Enjoy, you spineless sow.

RovesChins on December 11, 2013 at 3:45 PM

Like I said, it is a wonder you could win anything with an attitude like that.

eva3071 on December 11, 2013 at 3:48 PM

What if I smile as I eat the shit sandwich Boehner served up? Is that what you do, sugar buns?

RovesChins on December 11, 2013 at 3:52 PM

And what “battles” have you won, sweetheart?

Or do you even know what “battle” means?

rrpjr on December 11, 2013 at 3:42 PM

I do know a battle means fighting the enemy. It doesn’t mean having circular firing squads, whether you are true conservative or the establishment. It also doesn’t mean suiciding yourselves on the enemy ramparts. In that case, you are just doing the Democrats job for them.

eva3071 on December 11, 2013 at 3:53 PM

Dear John,

Nice knowin’ you. Best wishes for whatever career you choose to pursue next.

Sincerely,
petefrt

petefrt on December 11, 2013 at 3:54 PM

Some of you people are too hilarious.

bayam on December 11, 2013 at 2:41 PM

Welcome back! I see you finally got your clown car back from Pauline Krugman’s Auto Towing and Repair.

Was that covered under O’baoCare too?

A+

Del Dolemonte on December 11, 2013 at 3:54 PM

And I suppose the true conservatives are entirely blameless in that fiasco?

eva3071 on December 11, 2013 at 3:26 PM

Of course they’re blameless – other than the fact that they trusted fellow members of congress that profess to be conservative to do the right thing for the American people.

And yet the true conservatives lose battle after battle with both the Establishment and the Democrats.

eva3071 on December 11, 2013 at 3:26 PM

You’re obviously not living on planet earth.

Regardless, you asked how the dems could be defeated, and I told you. It’s not my fault that you can’t understand it.

blink on December 11, 2013 at 3:49 PM

Ah, tribalism I see. No wonder the true conservative faction is ina state of confusion.

eva3071 on December 11, 2013 at 3:55 PM

their argument that we’ll pass this budget now so as not to look bad before the next election is based on the assumption that they *will* take over the house and senate. is that written in stone?

because if it’s not they’ve just set the precedent on how the rest of the budget deals will go.

here’s an idea, stop trying to politic your way into a GOP win and maybe show some integrity and stand on principals. maybe THAT will get them the win that you’re looking for.

didn’t Obama run on reducing the deficit? since clearly that is a bipartisan idea, why is the “compromise” that there is no real deficit reduction? why isn’t ryan passionately explaining why the deficit is so bad for our future?

jetch on December 11, 2013 at 3:57 PM

And what “battles” have you won, sweetheart?

Or do you even know what “battle” means?

rrpjr on December 11, 2013 at 3:42 PM

I do know a battle means fighting the enemy. It doesn’t mean having circular firing squads, whether you are true conservative or the establishment. It also doesn’t mean suiciding yourselves on the enemy ramparts. In that case, you are just doing the Democrats job for them.

eva3071 on December 11, 2013 at 3:53 PM

Boehner: These conservative groups who are objecting to the budget deal are “ridiculous”

Did you read the article, honey? Not even the headline?
Do you have a tingle in your leg? Maybe a drinking problem?

RovesChins on December 11, 2013 at 3:57 PM

It’s been obvious that many Tea Partiers lack an adequate education

bayam on December 11, 2013 at 2:41 PM

Tell us again why your Cult Leader lost the college graduate vote in 2012, while vastly increasing his already-record share of the high school dropout vote from 70% to 80%, and then maybe we’ll stop laughing at you.

Del Dolemonte on December 11, 2013 at 3:59 PM

didn’t Obama run on reducing the deficit?

jetch on December 11, 2013 at 3:57 PM

Why, yes he did!

February, 2009…

“This is big,” wrote White House director of new media Macon Phillips in a February 23, 2009 blog post, ”the President today promised that by the end of his first term, he will cut in half the massive federal deficit we’ve inherited. And we’ll do it in a new way: honestly and candidly.”

Indeed, President Obama did make that promise that day, saying, “today I’m pledging to cut the deficit we inherited in half by the end of my first term in office. This will not be easy. It will require us to make difficult decisions and face challenges we’ve long neglected. But I refuse to leave our children with a debt that they cannot repay — and that means taking responsibility right now, in this administration, for getting our spending under control.”

Of course, in O’LiarSpeak, a “pledge” is not the same thing as a “promise”.

Del Dolemonte on December 11, 2013 at 4:03 PM

We need to pass this deal. The only leverage the House has to try to make the Democratic leadership accept any real spending cuts is shutting down the government. Polling in October showed that tactic is extremely unpopular among the people. Shutting down the government in an election year would pretty much guarantee Democrats keep the Senate and the Republicans likely to lose seats in the House. In other words, it would be giving the Democrats a win on a silver platter.

By taking this deal, it prevents things from getting any worse between now and the 2014 elections. The budget deal is only good for FY 2014, which we are already well into, and FY 2015 which ends Sept. 30, 2015. This means that if the Republicans take the Senate in 2014 elections, negotiations on an FY 2016 budget can begin as soon as they take office in Jan 2015. If the Democrat keep the Senate, the Republicans then then fall back on shutdowns in 2015, which is not an election year.

This is the best deal we are going to get, but I imaging there are factions on the far right that will do whatever they can to hand the Democrats another win. That’s why it’s called “the stupid party”.

crosspatch on December 11, 2013 at 4:05 PM

That’s great. Maybe you can tell us what GDP growth is required in order to pay for 100+ trillion in unfunded entitlement liabilities, service the debt if interest rates return to historical norms and start to reduce the deficit?

Thanks.

gwelf on December 11, 2013 at 2:58 PM

Acting out of panic isn’t going to solve anything. You can force the economy to continue along its sluggish path and then wonder why the deficit remains high.
Japan tried austerity measures during its decade long recession, and the outcome was HIGHER deficits.

Particularly when that ‘one year stimulus’ that was promised to generate in 5 years a 4.5% to 5% annual GDP growth and a sub 6% unemployment rate.

Most economists expected the stimulus to stop the economy from its nosedive and avoid a full-blown depression and a lost decade in the mold of Japan. Unfortunately your expectations were never realistic, bordering on foolish, esp. when you consider the scope of the asset bubble collapse.

Clearly, the stimulus has failed to ‘stimulate’ a robust economic recovery, and there is no longer any need to continue to suck out of the economy nearly $1T to overspend on waste, fraud, and expanded entitlements.

First, there was only a single major stimulus measure, and it prevented a complete economic meltdown. The $1 trillion deficit was inherited by Obama, not something the administration created out of thin air (called a structural deficit). As for follow-up stimulus actions by the government, those simply never happened, despite your incredibly dishonest claims to the contrary. This country and its economy have generally stayed true to Bush tax policies, with only relatively tax hikes, primarily targeting the wealthy.

Finally, your claim that the deficit remains at $1 tril is untrue. According to the CBO, tax cuts were the primary drivers of today’s lower deficit. Tell us, how does $680 bil equate to $1 tril in the right wing world? Using the same statistics that ‘predicted’ the last presidential election?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-11/budget-deficit-in-u-s-narrows-as-job-market-gains-lift-revenue.html

I know that you’re faithfully following the talking point of right wing radio, but that’s why they don’t hold up to reality.

bayam on December 11, 2013 at 4:06 PM

This is the best deal we are going to get, but I imaging there are factions on the far right that will do whatever they can to hand the Democrats another win. That’s why it’s called “the stupid party”.

crosspatch on December 11, 2013 at 4:05 PM

Well, to be fair, factions on the establishment are just as guilty. But you are still right though.

eva3071 on December 11, 2013 at 4:08 PM

they should defund O-care now, that everyone knows what a disaster it is, shutdown over it, and watch people support this shutdown now.

anikol on December 11, 2013 at 4:12 PM

LET IT BURN.

Between the Boehners, the Bayams and the 0Bamas of this world, there is no hope for a sustainable government or economy. Nor do the people who put them in power DESERVE to live in anything but Wiemarian – Zimbabwean misery.

LegendHasIt on December 11, 2013 at 4:23 PM

Did he cry..?

d1carter on December 11, 2013 at 4:29 PM

No balls Boehner speaks.

crosshugger on December 11, 2013 at 4:29 PM

Heh.

Kenzi : “Shut up.”

Bruce : “No, you shut up.”

Kenzi : “You shut your mouth.”

Bruce : “You shut your face.”

Kenzi : “You shut the door.”

Bruce : “Don’t let it hit you in the ass on the way out.”

Kenzi : “Bayamm.”

MichaelGabriel on December 11, 2013 at 4:30 PM

Some of you people are too hilarious.

bayam on December 11, 2013 at 2:41 PM

Your azz has been beaten for months around here. It’s a miracle that you’re not ashamed to show up.

Schadenfreude on December 11, 2013 at 4:30 PM

LegendHasIt on December 11, 2013 at 4:23 PM

Yeppers. And, good for those who no longer fly.

But, “we didn’t raise taxes” — the left’s ‘darling’ Ryan.

Schadenfreude on December 11, 2013 at 4:32 PM

I think we are witnessing the one party government is all its splendor…

d1carter on December 11, 2013 at 4:32 PM

The more they speak, the more I love to watch.

Schadenfreude on December 11, 2013 at 4:33 PM

Threatening power is upsetting to those who hold it…

d1carter on December 11, 2013 at 4:33 PM

Once again the GOP is well on its way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. The GOP establishment apparently still believes they can win elections without the conservatives.

katiejane on December 11, 2013 at 4:34 PM

bayam, the new thread, about obama’s poll numbers, needs you.

Schadenfreude on December 11, 2013 at 4:45 PM

You’re crazy. While the stimulus hasn’t been increased, the stimulus level spending has continued. It’s been a complete failure.

You don’t seem to grasp the difference between stimulus and deficit spending. When a major recession occurs, deficit spending that occurs as a consequence of lower tax revenues isn’t called ‘stimulus’ spending. An inherited, structural deficit also isn’t stimulus spending. You’re really lost.

bayam on December 11, 2013 at 4:45 PM

Your azz has been beaten for months around here. It’s a miracle that you’re not ashamed to show up.

Schadenfreude on December 11, 2013 at 4:30 PM

Good to see that you’re still spending so much time on message boards. Some of us are productive members of society and don’t have the luxury of constantly reading and posting.

bayam on December 11, 2013 at 4:47 PM

No, TARP I prevented a complete economic meltdown.

Not true. It prevented big banks with political connections to not suffer the results of their bad choices and policies.

R H on December 11, 2013 at 4:48 PM

What was Ryan fighting for? I see no gains whatsoever.

Wino on December 11, 2013 at 3:30 PM


You win the prize for the 64,000 dollar question.

1. No gains for the health of the country (spending plus miniscule cuts that can be reversed by future Congresses)

2. Boehner righteously denounced conservative groups as working against the best interests of the nation. He created a sound bite that an be run by DEMs and RINOs in future elections against candidates endorsed by conservatives

Especially in the coming primaries where the RINO-Zuckerberg-Chamber of Commerce coalition has vowed to destroy Tea Party candidates

Remember, Boehner has openly promised amnesty now plus he wants the Tea Party Dead

3. Ryan is a stooge. If anyone hasn’t figured it out right now, he didnt get the VP for nuttin. He is their poster boy, and he was made the face of this deal. Trust me this was a well considered move. the same way Ryan was made the poster boy of the Shut down talks with Obama. He played the good cop against Cruz the bad guy

4. This is also an attempt to neutralize Cruz.

Remember there is a primary coming

All of this is a ballet, planned and paid for, It is done to seal the power of the RINOs in the coming elections and to corner conservatives by offering, just like Obama, a free lunch if the public sticks with the RINOs.

The whole deal is one big dirty political setup

They don’t win if people know the scam

Cruz gained credibility in the shutdown. Cruz plus Rand blow Christie away in the straw poll.

If you know this move is strictly Boehner gunning for the conservatives, it all adds up. Even the RINO dogs suddenly crowding the HA threads

entagor on December 11, 2013 at 4:51 PM

Good to see that you’re still spending so much time on message boards. Some of us are productive members of society and don’t have the luxury of constantly reading and posting.

bayam on December 11, 2013 at 4:47 PM

Envy is one of the 7 sins….but, it’s expected from a leftard. I explained to you that so long as this oaf is up there, I ain’t producing a damn thing, just because I can, and because I’m not going to waste my efforts. Heh, it’s pure schadenfreude toward all you believe in. Makes Ayn Rand smile and I’m in excellent company.

Plus, I earned it all, you utter looter and fool.

Schadenfreude on December 11, 2013 at 4:52 PM

Just wondering.. has Boehner ever invited Ted Cruz or any other conservative to play golf?
Has Boehner ever yet gone off on Obama?

JellyToast on December 11, 2013 at 4:55 PM

The obama’care’ and obama poll threads need you, bayam.

Schadenfreude on December 11, 2013 at 4:55 PM

Teller

Bmore on December 11, 2013 at 4:56 PM

Hey, Bmore!

Schadenfreude on December 11, 2013 at 4:56 PM

Go to hell Boner

TX-96 on December 11, 2013 at 4:57 PM

I explained to you that so long as this oaf is up there, I ain’t producing a damn thing, just because I can, and because I’m not going to waste my efforts.

Schadenfreude on December 11, 2013 at 4:52 PM

LOL

Thinkers – 1 Drones – 0

entagor on December 11, 2013 at 4:58 PM

Bmore, for your photo-shopping dossier.

Schadenfreude on December 11, 2013 at 5:02 PM

Bmore, see #12 in that series.

Schadenfreude on December 11, 2013 at 5:02 PM

blink, caption #12.

“Yesterday y’all thought a copter could land on Michelle’s pouting lips; how about my ears?”

Schadenfreude on December 11, 2013 at 5:10 PM

amount of discretionary time you allocate based on how bad things are for your socialist cause.

blink on December 11, 2013 at 5:09 PM

Hey now, advocating socialist causes is good for humanity :)

Schadenfreude on December 11, 2013 at 5:11 PM

I do know a battle means fighting the enemy. It doesn’t mean having circular firing squads, whether you are true conservative or the establishment. It also doesn’t mean suiciding yourselves on the enemy ramparts. In that case, you are just doing the Democrats job for them.

eva3071 on December 11, 2013 at 3:53 PM

This isn’t a circular firing squad because Boehner isn’t on our side, he serves his K-Street cronies. Now if Boehner and K-Street start fighting then it will be a circular firing squad, to the benefit of the American people.

FloatingRock on December 11, 2013 at 5:12 PM

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