Paul Ryan’s budget conference: beware of fake cuts

posted at 5:11 pm on December 9, 2013 by Kevin Glass

Rep. Paul Ryan might lend his name to a budget deal with Sen. Patty Murray that’s set to come out of conference at the end of this week. One of the items high on the agenda is a way to repeal-and-replace budget cuts scheduled to take effect due to sequestration. That totals $109 billion in 2014 alone, and it’ll take a lot to get to an equivalent amount of deficit reduction. Democrats, of course, want to replace some of that with tax hikes, but it’s important to take note of how it might also cut spending.

The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget says to be wary of fake spending cuts like time-shifting and double-counting:

Lawmakers may be tempted to reduce the size of the sequester cuts in the near-term by shifting the cuts later in the decade. While some amount of “smoothing” might make sense in the context of a permanent sequester relief plan, simply trading cuts today for even deeper cuts tomorrow would have little credibility… this sequester shifting could lead to a continuous cycle in which Congress continues to avoid current cuts by pushing them to the future in perpetuity.

Lawmakers must avoid relying on budget gimmicks to offset sequester relief, claim savings for deficit reduction, or hide the true costs of their decisions. Considering the long-term trajectory of federal debt, lawmakers will need to undertake serious and difficult steps to improve our fiscal situation.

One of President Obama’s favorite fake savings is to claim drawing down from overseas military operations as a saving. The way the federal budget is accounted, the most recent year-long cost of our military deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan (called “overseas contingency operations”) is assumed to be spent every year in perpetuity. It’s unlikely that the cost of our military support overseas will equal our 2012 budget, but President Obama’s budget proposal just last year claimed over $800 billion in “war savings” – and used that money to expand spending on other favored programs.

Rep. Paul Ryan would deal a massive blow to his own credibility as a deficit hawk if he lends his name to a budget full of gimmicks and illusory savings. It’s becoming more likely that the shape of this budget will be less about actually putting legislation into place and more about political posturing. Rep. Paul Ryan’s role in the budget conference will say a lot about his political career in both the short- and long-term.


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Rep. Paul Ryan would deal a massive blow to his own credibility

You mean Senator Pablo Amnesty Ryan?

Too late.

VibrioCocci on December 9, 2013 at 5:15 PM

By agreeing to work with Patty Murray, the self-designated “mom in tennis shoes” who loves everything liberal and big government, he would have lost tons of credibility with me if he hadn’t already lost it.

I expect this to be a big deal for big government and nothing at all for us little people. Mr. Ryan will compromise every last principle he has remaining to make sure it looks like he’s working in a “bipartisan” manner, while at the same time giving the Dems everything their little hearts desires.

theotherone on December 9, 2013 at 5:16 PM

I do not trust Paul Ryan. Until he comes and speaks plainly on the budget and immigration he will not get the benefit of my doubt.

DanMan on December 9, 2013 at 5:16 PM

Wasn’t this article published earlier?

Anyway, pro-illegal alien amnesty Paul Ryan is a fraud and a huge disappointment. Paul Ryan even lost a debate to Joe Biden. It doesn’t get much more pathetic than that.

bluegill on December 9, 2013 at 5:17 PM

Ryan has turned out to be quite a disappointment…

sandee on December 9, 2013 at 5:18 PM

Paul Ryan: a deficit hawk and an amnesty shill.

Remember also when Cruz was fighting the good fight against Obamacare then Ryan came out with a “grand bargain” that simply ignored Obamacare and gave Obamacare full funding. That was no bargain at all.

Ryan needs to get his priorities straight. And don’t effin spoil the show by inflaming the public by going after all kinds of obscure budget cuts when we got to keep the public concentrating on Obamacare. Cut later, deal with Obamacare now, which by itself is a huge budget expense. And amnesty… would cost a fortune in welfare and extra Obamacare and entitlement costs. What is Ryan thinking?

anotherJoe on December 9, 2013 at 5:20 PM

No, ‘beware of Paul Ryan.’

F*ck you, Paul “I love me some amnesty” Ryan.

Midas on December 9, 2013 at 5:20 PM

fake cuts

“We were gonna spend $42 gazillion on food stamps but now we’re only gonna spend $41 gazillion. See, we cut a gazillion dollars!!!”
/Washington accounting gurus

Bitter Clinger on December 9, 2013 at 5:21 PM

And amnesty… would cost a fortune in welfare and extra Obamacare and entitlement costs. What is Ryan thinking?

“But that’s good spending. It’s our Christian duty to legalize these folks.”
/Ryan

Bitter Clinger on December 9, 2013 at 5:23 PM

I was a huge supporter of Paul Ryan last year, but today would never vote for him. Paul Ryan fully joined the John McCain, Joe Scarborough RINO wing.

bluegill on December 9, 2013 at 5:24 PM

Rep. Paul Ryan would deal a massive blow to his own credibility as a deficit hawk if he lends his name to a budget full of gimmicks and illusory savings.

Deficit hawk? Have you ever looked at his voting record?

Big Orange on December 9, 2013 at 5:28 PM

Yes, but if we play along now, we might gain seats in 2014, then maybe we’ll get the White House in 2016, if everything goes perfectly. Then the GOP will throw the gloves on the ice, turn up the conservatism to 11 and save America. You just watch! Just keep “compromising” again.

Dongemaharu on December 9, 2013 at 5:32 PM

Am reading on Twitter that Ryan’s “deal” includes more funds for obamacare — you know, to pull Zero’s ass out of the ditch. The stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid party.

Rational Thought on December 9, 2013 at 5:33 PM

Deficit hawk? Have you ever looked at his voting record?

Didn’t Ryan propose the type of budgets when he was initially announced as Romney’s running mate that would take something like 23 years to even balance? I think Romney had to pull him aside and tell him to get real.

DanMan on December 9, 2013 at 5:33 PM

Anyway, pro-illegal alien amnesty Paul Ryan is a fraud and a huge disappointment. Paul Ryan even lost a debate to Joe Biden. It doesn’t get much more pathetic than that.

bluegill on December 9, 2013 at 5:17 PM

That still sticks in my craw—watching Ryan sit there like a goof while the bigger goof ran all over him.

arnold ziffel on December 9, 2013 at 5:37 PM

Didn’t Ryan propose the type of budgets when he was initially announced as Romney’s running mate that would take something like 23 years to even balance? I think Romney had to pull him aside and tell him to get real.

DanMan on December 9, 2013 at 5:33 PM

Not to mention his support for TARP.

Bitter Clinger on December 9, 2013 at 5:39 PM

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, ……………….

Heritage Action for America
1h
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Heritage Action says it ‘cannot support a budget deal that would increase spending in the near-term for promises of … long-term reductions’ – @ChadPergram
read more on twitter.com
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http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/us-sequester-bud

Chad Pergram ‏@ChadPergram 1h

Source close to budget talks: “No agreement yet.”

canopfor on December 9, 2013 at 5:40 PM

Chad Pergram ‏@ChadPergram 1h

Heritage Action: While imperfect, the sequester has proven to be an effective tool in forcing Congress to reduce discretionary spending..

canopfor on December 9, 2013 at 5:42 PM

Wasn’t his Ryan Road Map basically just a way to ensure that the youth of today remain stuck paying for the baby boomers ill gotten gains? Anyone who trusts this man with money is not very bright.
Paul Ryan’s Road Map to perpetual indentured servitude.

astonerii on December 9, 2013 at 5:44 PM

Enough already with going along to position ourselves better for the next election!

Screw that noise, fight for what is the right thing NOW!! Not “we will get them next time”, or “as long as we don’t make a fuss the voters won’t hold it against us”. I am completely over and done with that and as long as these idiots want to kick the can down the road I won’t be voting for them anymore, and if that means a democrat wins, so be it.

After 30 years of voting, no more “wait until the next election”. I am all in on letting it burn if nobody has the guts to take a stand.

njmax on December 9, 2013 at 5:49 PM

BUT IT’S THE LAW OF THE LAND!

MikeinPRCA on December 9, 2013 at 5:51 PM

Rep. Paul Ryan would deal a massive blow to his own credibility

He kind of blew that in the VP debate. It’s been a down hill spiral since.

GOP=Dead men walking

Mr. Arrogant on December 9, 2013 at 5:53 PM

njmax on December 9, 2013 at 5:49 PM

With raised fist and voice “but baby, it is different this time. Now get your fat skanky backend into the car before I have to educate your other eye!”

astonerii on December 9, 2013 at 5:55 PM

You mean Senator Pablo Amnesty Ryan?

Too late.

[VibrioCocci on December 9, 2013 at 5:15 PM]

It seems everyone is getting in the Obama Expiration Date act. I can’t say as I blame them, because the scam works.

All the more reason to make the attempt to throw any bum who thikns it’s worth trying. Primarying Ryan is the best approach in defending against it. Make an example of him and others in 2014.

Dusty on December 9, 2013 at 5:55 PM

Am reading on Twitter that Ryan’s “deal” includes more funds for obamacare — you know, to pull Zero’s ass out of the ditch. The stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid party.

Rational Thought on December 9, 2013 at 5:33 PM

Look, you simpletons can’t understand the intense game of ten dimensional chess being played here. Also, this is a huge compromise! We’re getting something from the Dems, it’s… duhhhhh… I’ll get back you on that. /

Doomberg on December 9, 2013 at 5:55 PM

Am reading on Twitter that Ryan’s “deal” includes more funds for obamacare — you know, to pull Zero’s ass out of the ditch. The stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid party.

[Rational Thought on December 9, 2013 at 5:33 PM]

That figures. Considering the ways i which Ryan has lied to the public, I wouldn’t be surprised he’s got a lot buried in the bill which he’d love to keep hidden.

I still think there are a few good apples in Congress, but I’ll bet we won’t find one that has been there more than one term in office and longer they’ve been there the more untrustworthy they are.

Dusty on December 9, 2013 at 6:00 PM

We already know Ryan is a fake, but thanks for the warning anyway. Politicians love future spending cuts because well it’s in the future so there is no cut. Also, pay close attention to ‘surcharges’, ‘penalties’ or any other name they apply to what is really a tax increase. RINOs like Ryan want to raise taxes while still being able to say they didn’t.

Wigglesworth on December 9, 2013 at 6:02 PM

OK, the vast majority of commenters on here hate Ryan. Who would get your vote if you hate Ryan?

Johnnyreb on December 9, 2013 at 6:07 PM

What’s really happening is Republicans are surrendering on the budget as quickly as possible so there will be no budget battles for the next year. This surrender also includes additional funding for Obamacare. Why? It will be easier to surrender on amnesty.

http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/192361-immigration-advocates-banking-on-budget-deal-to-clear-calendar


Ultimately, the future of the Republican Party will boil down to the following question: Is their desire to pass amnesty stronger than their will to fight Obamacare?

Wigglesworth on December 9, 2013 at 6:34 PM

OK, the vast majority of commenters on here hate Ryan. Who would get your vote if you hate Ryan?

[Johnnyreb on December 9, 2013 at 6:07 PM]

If you are talking about 2016, this probably doesn’t apply to me, because I’d like to see him lose his congressional seat. If that happens, then I don’t need to worry about encountering that question in 2016.

Dusty on December 9, 2013 at 6:35 PM

A bad deal, Paul, is worse than no deal at all.
Run, don’t walk, as fast as you can away from this deal.
Make the Dems live with the Sequester that they never believed the GOP would accept.
Otherwise, you’ll be Primary’ed – and the TEA Party is no phantom force.

Another Drew on December 9, 2013 at 6:37 PM

OK, the vast majority of commenters on here hate Ryan. Who would get your vote if you hate Ryan?

Johnnyreb on December 9, 2013 at 6:07 PM

+1

I mean seriously, which politician can possibly stick his neck out on debt/deficit without having it handed back on a silver platter.

There’s only one way out of this fiscal mess we’re in, and in the northern hemisphere it’s counterclockwise and down.

WryTrvllr on December 9, 2013 at 6:38 PM

Any random Tea Party challenger who does not support amnesty would be better than Ryan.

David Blue on December 9, 2013 at 6:49 PM

Can we please stop waiting for some future fantasy date when all the planets are aligned to drop the hammer? Because if/when the grand scheme doesn’t come to pass, years will have been wasted.

Dongemaharu on December 9, 2013 at 6:56 PM

Paul Ryan…..A shining light of Traitorous support of OPEN BORDERS.

#romneyryankeepsonfailing

#imgladwelostin2012

#nomoreprogressivesleadingthegop

#budgetsmeannothing

PappyD61 on December 9, 2013 at 6:56 PM

#budgetsmeannothing

PappyD61 on December 9, 2013 at 6:56 PM

nonexistent budgets mean even less.

#imgladwelostin2012

Good. Cause with the circular squad all firing 500 nitro express, that’s all you’re gonna get.

WryTrvllr on December 9, 2013 at 7:04 PM

Tweets All / No replies

Reuters Politics ‏@ReutersPolitics 5m

U.S. Congress budget talks could produce Tuesday deal, aides say http://reut.rs/IZadbF
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U.S. Congress budget talks could produce Tuesday deal, aides say

By Richard Cowan
WASHINGTON Mon Dec 9, 2013 6:32pm EST
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/09/us-usa-fiscal-idUSBRE9B818S20131209?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&dlvrit=574655

canopfor on December 9, 2013 at 7:05 PM

Is that spelled R-y-a-n or R-i-n-o?

ultracon on December 9, 2013 at 7:06 PM

Paul Ryan is dead to me.

Jack_Burton on December 9, 2013 at 7:20 PM

Rep. Paul Ryan would deal a massive blow to his own credibility as a deficit hawk if he lends his name to a budget full of gimmicks and illusory savings. It’s becoming more likely that the shape of this budget will be less about actually putting legislation into place and more about political posturing. Rep. Paul Ryan’s role in the budget conference will say a lot about his political career in both the short- and long-term.

But Ted Cruz, libertarian/conservative DefundIt hero never engages in political posturing. No sirree! As for me, I’m taking a wait and see approach. I’ve seen a lot of premature outrage from people who don’t know the details of the budget yet. Ryan could eat Ted Cruz’s lunch when it comes to budgets, and I find it hard to believe he’d sell us down the river for personal political advantage. Surely no one believes he’s a damn fool mark for PrezBO’s con games.

canopfor on December 9, 2013 at 5:40 PM

By all means, let’s listen to the discredited grifters at Heritage Action./

Buy Danish on December 9, 2013 at 7:27 PM

OK, the vast majority of commenters on here hate Ryan. Who would get your vote if you hate Ryan?

Johnnyreb on December 9, 2013 at 6:07 PM

I dunno; someone who *hasn’t* demonstrated they are a lying weasel?

Might be a good place to start.

Midas on December 9, 2013 at 7:38 PM

Ryan could eat Ted Cruz’s lunch when it comes to budgets, and I find it hard to believe he’d sell us down the river for personal political advantage.

Buy Danish on December 9, 2013 at 7:27 PM

Other than that whole amnesty thing, I guess.

And the working with Dems to get a budget that funds Obamacare in the process thing, I guess.

But yeah, other than *those* ‘sell us down the river for personal political advantage’ things, he’s great! /

Midas on December 9, 2013 at 7:40 PM

I mean seriously, which politician can possibly stick his neck out on debt/deficit without having it handed back on a silver platter.

WryTrvllr on December 9, 2013 at 6:38 PM

Actually, *any* of them can possibly do that. The problem is, they f*cking *won’t*. They come back with crap that is *worthy* of having their head served back on a platter.

It’s not a de facto requirement – it’s a *choice* that *they* are making.

Midas on December 9, 2013 at 7:42 PM

Surely no one believes he’s a damn fool mark for PrezBO’s con games.

Oh, surely not. No, nononononono. Certainly not after that pathetic debate he had with Biden last year. Oh, no, no.

By all means, let’s listen to the discredited grifters at Heritage Action./

Buy Danish on December 9, 2013 at 7:27 PM

Speaking of discredited–by all means, let’s hear how President Romney’s doing these days.

theotherone on December 9, 2013 at 7:45 PM

Actually, *any* of them can possibly do that. The problem is, they f*cking *won’t*. They come back with crap that is *worthy* of having their head served back on a platter.

It’s not a de facto requirement – it’s a *choice* that *they* are making.

Midas on December 9, 2013 at 7:42 PM

That’s not the pattern I am seeing in western civ right now.

WryTrvllr on December 9, 2013 at 7:57 PM

Midas on December 9, 2013 at 7:40 PM

Ronald Reagan’s plan was “amnesty”.

Speaking of discredited–by all means, let’s hear how President Romney’s doing these days.

theotherone on December 9, 2013 at 7:45 PM

I’m sure Governor Romney is fine. It’s most unfortunate for this country and allies around the world that he’s not our president. We can be certain that on domestic and foreign policy matters things would be the polar opposite of everything the incompetent, dangerous Con Man in Chief has wrought.

Buy Danish on December 9, 2013 at 8:11 PM

Pssst. And as a reminder, look who voted with Harry Reid. But, but principles or bust!!!

Buy Danish on December 9, 2013 at 8:14 PM

PPS:

From the above link^^: [About an hour later, FreedomWorks echoed Heritage's key vote of "no," with president and CEO Matt Kibbe saying the legislation amounted to a "full surrender" from Republicans on Obamacare.]

Did you know Matt Kibbe is now desperately trying to raise money by invoking George Bush’s name? I’ve seen his ads on facebook for weeks now, asking gullible marks to “like” George Bush. You know – W. – that “RINO” Truue Cons like to bitch about almost as much as the Left?

Buy Danish on December 9, 2013 at 8:21 PM

Rep. Paul Ryan would deal a massive blow to his own credibility as a deficit hawk if he lends his name to a budget full of gimmicks and illusory savings.

Yeah, I’m pretty sure that ship sailed some time ago. He was never the deficit hawk some imagined him to be.

Am reading on Twitter that Ryan’s “deal” includes more funds for obamacare — you know, to pull Zero’s ass out of the ditch. The stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid party.

Rational Thought

I’m pretty sure I called that one several weeks ago, lol. Obamacare will never collapse because both democrats AND republicans will spend whatever it takes to prevent it.

Ryan could eat Ted Cruz’s lunch when it comes to budgets, and I find it hard to believe he’d sell us down the river for personal political advantage. Surely no one believes he’s a damn fool mark for PrezBO’s con games.

Buy Danish

So basically you’re saying he’s willing to screw over the country without being fooled at all, lol. I agree.

Obamabot cultists ain’t got nothing on you.

Ronald Reagan’s plan was “amnesty”.

Buy Danish

And we’ve been paying for it ever since. But hey, apparently we’re incapable of learning from the mistakes of the past or something, so let’s keep doing the same stupid shit done by others because, well, just because damn it. Hey, Reagan was okay with abortion at one time too. Maybe we should all become pro-abortion. I mean, if it was good enough for Reagan, who are we to believe differently?

xblade on December 9, 2013 at 8:46 PM

Is that spelled R-y-a-n or R-i-n-o?

ultracon on December 9, 2013 at 7:06 PM

Rino Ryan

anotherJoe on December 9, 2013 at 8:51 PM

So basically you’re saying he’s willing to screw over the country without being fooled at all, lol. I agree.

No (jackass) I’m saying I trust Paul Ryan and the people who are working with him like Sen. Ron Johnson. And I think there’s a lot of gun jumping going on.

And we’ve been paying for it ever since. But hey, apparently we’re incapable of learning from the mistakes of the past or something, so let’s keep doing the same stupid shit done by others because, well, just because damn it.
xblade on December 9, 2013 at 8:46 PM

No, the point is they weren’t the same plans at all.

Buy Danish on December 9, 2013 at 8:55 PM