Open thread: Sunday morning talking heads

posted at 8:01 am on December 8, 2013 by Allahpundit

The Sunday shows say their farewells to Nelson Mandela this morning by celebrating his legacy of racial reconciliation with special guests … Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. It was Sharpton, in fact, whose genius inspired Chris Matthews to wonder why the GOP can’t be more reasonable like South Africa’s apartheid government, so look forward to some more opportunistic partisan “wisdom” along those lines.

If that doesn’t sound fun, Rand Paul will be on “Fox News Sunday” to argue that maybe, after 40 years of big government, it’s time for Detroit to try something else. The full line-up is at Politico.


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no obamacare??? darn

think i will pass on the tribute shows this am….

cmsinaz on December 8, 2013 at 8:14 AM

All right. But the wrong people are celebrating this guy.

Axe on December 8, 2013 at 8:15 AM

So Mandela gets attendance from the current president and past ones (the Bushes and Clinton) and flags at half mast, and Margaret Thatcher got zip. Why is that?

BeachBum on December 8, 2013 at 8:20 AM

I think I will watch a re-run of the OSU vs MSU game.

celtic warrior on December 8, 2013 at 8:25 AM

I think I will watch a re-run of the OSU vs MSU game.

celtic warrior on December 8, 2013 at 8:25 AM

Who are you betting on?

kcewa on December 8, 2013 at 8:40 AM

mandela would be so upset with the wage inequality in the united states.

renalin on December 8, 2013 at 8:47 AM

So Mandela gets attendance from the current president and past ones (the Bushes and Clinton) and flags at half mast, and Margaret Thatcher got zip. Why is that?
BeachBum on December 8, 2013 at 8:20 AM

He was black and a communist.

I think the man is being deified way too much. This is going overboard.

bluegill on December 8, 2013 at 8:48 AM

The “international community” types are celebrating the fact that they didn’t cause a bloodbath or economic disaster by forcing the Boers to allow “one man one vote” immediately instead of gradually.

If you look at the current situation in SA though it seems like they may be celebrating too early.

kcewa on December 8, 2013 at 9:04 AM

So Mandela gets attendance from the current president and past ones (the Bushes and Clinton) and flags at half mast, and Margaret Thatcher got zip. Why is that?

BeachBum on December 8, 2013 at 8:20 AM

Maddie didn’t blow up 300 or more innocent people so she didn’t need the rehabilitation of her image.

oldroy on December 8, 2013 at 9:13 AM

Maddie Maggie.

oldroy on December 8, 2013 at 9:13 AM

Like bluegill, I find the deification of Mandela beyond credibility.

Balance the nonsense out with some cool, critical understanding and knowledge of what Dan Greenfield (Sultan Knish) and David Horowitz have to say.

Besides Mandela’s reach out to communist regimes, he never spoke out about the atrocities committed by his political group. The rapes and ugly bloodshed continue to this day. South Africa is in worse shape today, driven by racially driven (and not even logical) retribution.

Our politicians and talking heads have jumped on the bandwagon to create and perpetuate the myth of Manela.

onlineanalyst on December 8, 2013 at 9:17 AM

I had to go to Russian media to find the Mandela quotes western media is afraid to post:

Mandela’s sharp statements rarely cited in mainstream media

How did America ever lower its flags to half-mast for this trash?

I say that as a US citizen. I’m also an Israeli. If I could, I would spit [twice] on Mandela’s grave.

Shy Guy on December 8, 2013 at 9:17 AM

Zeke, you lie!

22044 on December 8, 2013 at 9:20 AM

So Mandela gets attendance from the current president and past ones (the Bushes and Clinton) and flags at half mast, and Margaret Thatcher got zip. Why is that?

BeachBum on December 8, 2013 at 8:20 AM

Maddie didn’t blow up 300 or more innocent people so she didn’t need the rehabilitation of her image.

oldroy on December 8, 2013 at 9:13 AM

Maggie also did not necklace anyone. I am sure all of this commie bastards victims feel it is ok.

conservative tarheel on December 8, 2013 at 9:20 AM

Horowitz offers a balance in the obsequies of Mandela.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/david-horowitz/nelson-mandela-1918-2013/print/

onlineanalyst on December 8, 2013 at 9:22 AM

Greenfield offers a more balanced perspective than do the pundits/politicians in the loud seats.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/south-africa-in-the-shadows/print/

South Africa may be in worse apartheid state than it was originally.

onlineanalyst on December 8, 2013 at 9:25 AM

Despite decades of Nelson Mandela denying that he was an official member of the South African Communist Party (SACP) during his Soviet-backed war on the Apartheid government, evidence uncovered recently by British historian Stephen Ellis shows otherwise. The new research confirmed that not only was the African National Congress (ANC) leader a member of the SACP, he may have actually been a senior official working with the party’s Central Committee.

Still, for 50 years, while admitting that he was influenced by Marx and other communist luminaries, Mandela has denied — in public, at least — that he was an actual member of the Communist Party. But now, documents discovered at the University of Cape Town by Stephen Ellis, a professor based at the Free University of Amsterdam, completely contradict Mandela’s bogus claims…

Among other evidence, Ellis found minutes from a secret SACP meeting of top leaders in 1982. The papers document a high-level Communist Party functionary’s discussion about Mandela having joined the SACP around 20 years earlier. That would mean he joined in the beginning of the 1960s, probably 1961 or 1962, well before he was prosecuted for, among numerous other crimes, membership in the outlaw party backed by some of the most ruthless tyrants on the face of the Earth.

Akzed on December 8, 2013 at 9:26 AM

Maggie also did not necklace anyone. I am sure all of this commie bastards victims feel it is ok.

conservative tarheel on December 8, 2013 at 9:20 AM

I’ve seen come comments on other sites comparing Mandela’s Death totals to George Washington’s. Apparently old George killed a lot of innocent British soldiers and civilians, according to some folks.

oldroy on December 8, 2013 at 9:27 AM

Zeke E.: Know-it-all arrogant nutjob… and political hack. Fcuk off.

ExpressoBold on December 8, 2013 at 9:27 AM

So Mandela gets attendance from the current president and past ones (the Bushes and Clinton) and flags at half mast, and Margaret Thatcher got zip. Why is that?

BeachBum on December 8, 2013 at 8:20 AM

Because Mandela was a leftist. The Left rules the world and wants to honor one of their saints.

Punchenko on December 8, 2013 at 9:27 AM

So Mandela gets attendance from the current president and past ones (the Bushes and Clinton) and flags at half mast, and Margaret Thatcher got zip. Why is that? BeachBum on December 8, 2013 at 8:20 AM

Because she was anti-Communist, silly goose.

Akzed on December 8, 2013 at 9:30 AM

CNN: The ultimate male feminist? 5 things Nelson Mandela did for women

ABC: Mandela’s Final Chapter: The Fight Against AIDS

Apparently there was nothing this guy couldn’t do.

kcewa on December 8, 2013 at 9:34 AM

I’ve seen come comments on other sites comparing Mandela’s Death totals to George Washington’s. Apparently old George killed a lot of innocent British soldiers and civilians, according to some folks.

oldroy on December 8, 2013 at 9:27 AM

Well the British still see him as an uppity radical terrorist or something…

workingclass artist on December 8, 2013 at 9:38 AM

I’ve seen come comments on other sites comparing Mandela’s Death totals to George Washington’s. Apparently old George killed a lot of innocent British soldiers and civilians, according to some folks.

oldroy on December 8, 2013 at 9:27 AM

Well the British still see him as an uppity radical terrorist or something…

workingclass artist on December 8, 2013 at 9:38 AM

Washington that is…

Mandela was no Washington or Ghandi either.

workingclass artist on December 8, 2013 at 9:40 AM

Mandela was no Washington or Ghandi either. workingclass artist on December 8, 2013 at 9:40 AM

Ghandi was no Ghandi neither.

How unsavory? Well, there’s no doubting that Gandhi had little time for black people. During his 21 years in South Africa, he repeatedly expressed contempt for the native population, claiming they were no better than the “untouchables” of Indian society. One speech in particular stands out. In 1896, he was quoted as referring to black South Africans as the “raw kaffir, whose occupation is hunting and whose sole ambition is to collect a certain number of cattle to buy a wife with, and then pass his life in indolence and nakedness.”

Akzed on December 8, 2013 at 9:46 AM

I think Stanford would beat either FSU or Auburn.I like Gaffney at RB and their D is first rate.Mandela would never be a D 1 player too slow and soft.

celtic warrior on December 8, 2013 at 9:52 AM

I think Stanford would beat either FSU or Auburn.I like Gaffney at RB and their D is first rate.Mandela would never be a D 1 player too slow and soft.

celtic warrior on December 8, 2013 at 9:52 AM

Stanford – MSU will be the best bowl game. Power O vs Power D.

kcewa on December 8, 2013 at 9:54 AM

http://www.horowitzfreedomcenter.org/nelson_mandela_1918_2013

David Horowitz has this guys number. He never met a terrorist he didn’t like including Fidel and all the rest.
and as far as his legacy of South Africa, its here:

“South Africa is the murder capital of the world, a nation where a woman is raped every 30 seconds, often by AIDs carriers who go unpunished, and where whites are anything but the citizens of a democratic country which honors the principles of equality and freedom.

Liberated South Africa is one of those epic messes the Left created and promptly forgot about.”

rodguy911 on December 8, 2013 at 9:59 AM

He was black and a communist.

I think the man is being deified way too much. This is going overboard.

bluegill on December 8, 2013 at 8:48 AM

Of course, Mandela is being deified. After decades on Robbins Island, he preached reconciliation, not hate or anger. I don’t know many people who can do that.

The “international community” types are celebrating the fact that they didn’t cause a bloodbath or economic disaster by forcing the Boers to allow “one man one vote” immediately instead of gradually.

If you look at the current situation in SA though it seems like they may be celebrating too early.

kcewa on December 8, 2013 at 9:04 AM

One man one vote should have been allowed from the beginning. The apartheid system in South Africa disenfranchised the super majority of the country.

Illinidiva on December 8, 2013 at 10:01 AM

Why don’t we remember what Tabu Mbeki was doing to the black dissenters and whites in South Africa as second in command, while Mandela was playing mother Teresa…

Tilly on December 8, 2013 at 10:01 AM

I really miss the Obamateurism of the Day feature.

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kcewa on December 8, 2013 at 10:04 AM

Ghandi was no Ghandi neither.

How unsavory? Well, there’s no doubting that Gandhi had little time for black people. During his 21 years in South Africa, he repeatedly expressed contempt for the native population, claiming they were no better than the “untouchables” of Indian society. One speech in particular stands out. In 1896, he was quoted as referring to black South Africans as the “raw kaffir, whose occupation is hunting and whose sole ambition is to collect a certain number of cattle to buy a wife with, and then pass his life in indolence and nakedness.”

Akzed on December 8, 2013 at 9:46 AM

“During the 1950s Mandela was banned, arrested and imprisoned for challenging apartheid. He was one of the accused in the massive Treason Trial at the end of the decade and, following the 1960 banning of the ANC, he went underground, adopting a number of disguises–sometimes a laborer, other times a chauffeur. The press dubbed him “the Black Pimpernel” because of his ability to evade police.

During this time, he and other ANC leaders formed its armed wing–Umkhonto we Sizwe (MK).

Mandela was secretly appointed its commander in chief.

That “armed wing” carried out terror attacks at shopping centers, movie theaters and other civilian targets, not just “establishment” ones like courts and banks.

These attacks blew many innocent whites and blacks to bits.

(Note: some of these crime scene photos are disturbing.)

And when Mandela was arrested, the authorities claimed to have uncovered “210,000 hand grenades, 48,000 anti-personnel mines, 1,500 time devices, 144 tons of ammonium nitrate, 21.6 tons of aluminium powder and 1 ton of black powder.”

http://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2013/07/12/raining-on-the-nelson-mandela-parade/?singlepage=true

workingclass artist on December 8, 2013 at 10:05 AM

Since liberals don’t believe in a Deity (except when they’re pollling behind in an election year), they deify human beings.

Wethal on December 8, 2013 at 10:06 AM

One man one vote should have been allowed from the beginning. The apartheid system in South Africa disenfranchised the super majority of the country.

Illinidiva on December 8, 2013 at 10:01 AM

Did the tribes in SA have democracy? No, it came with the British and the Boers.

kcewa on December 8, 2013 at 10:06 AM

http://www.cpusa.org/long-live-nelson-mandela/

That’s allI need to know.

wolly4321 on December 8, 2013 at 10:10 AM

Akzed on December 8, 2013 at 9:46 AM

Here ya go…

Not long after being released from Prison, he was filmed singing an ANC song about killing white people:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC8qQE4Y2Js#t=57

workingclass artist on December 8, 2013 at 10:11 AM

“Nelson Mandela was the head of UmKhonto we Sizwe, (MK), the terrorist wing of the ANC and South African Communist Party. At his trial, he had pleaded guilty to 156 acts of public violence including mobilising terrorist bombing campaigns, which planted bombs in public places, including the Johannesburg railway station. Many innocent people, including women and children, were killed by Nelson Mandela’s MK terrorists. Here are some highlights

-Church Street West, Pretoria, on the 20 May 1983

-Amanzimtoti Shopping complex KZN, 23 December 1985

-Krugersdorp Magistrate’s Court, 17 March 1988

-Durban Pick ‘n Pay shopping complex, 1 September 1986

-Pretoria Sterland movie complex 16 April 1988 – limpet mine killed ANC terrorist M O Maponya instead

-Johannesburg Magistrate’s Court, 20 May 1987

-Roodepoort Standard Bank 3 June, 1988

Tellingly, not only did Mandela refuse to renounce violence, Amnesty refused to take his case stating “[the] movement recorded that it could not give the name of ‘Prisoner of Conscience’ to anyone associated with violence, even though as in ‘conventional warfare’ a degree of restraint may be exercised.”

The apartheid regime was a crime against humanity; as illogical as it was cruel. It is tempting, therefore, to simplify the subject by declaring that all who opposed it were wholly and unswervingly good. It’s important to remember, however, that Mandela has been the first to hold his hands up to his shortcomings and mistakes. In books and speeches, he goes to great length to admit his errors. The real tragedy is that too many in the West can’t bring themselves to see what the great man himself has said all along; that he’s just as flawed as the rest of us, and should not be put on a pedestal…” –
Deputy Political Editor Lee Jenkins

http://thebackbencher.co.uk/3-things-you-didnt-want-to-know-about-nelson-mandela/

workingclass artist on December 8, 2013 at 10:15 AM

Shy Guy on December 8, 2013 at 9:17 AM

Your first link of Mandela statements reflects what the American Leftists believe: America is the root of all evil, and international communism will save the day.

onlineanalyst on December 8, 2013 at 10:16 AM

Reposting this from QOTD

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kcewa on December 8, 2013 at 10:16 AM

I need not remind you that ObamaCare is a lethal three ring circus on a stick.

SparkPlug on December 8, 2013 at 10:19 AM

Your first link of Mandela statements reflects what the American Leftists believe: America is the root of all evil, and international communism will save the day.

onlineanalyst on December 8, 2013 at 10:16 AM

Yes. Birds of a feather.

Shy Guy on December 8, 2013 at 10:24 AM

special guests … Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton

…there’s other mindless TV programs on…plus a lot of advertising/marketing cable channels….IDEA is doing ‘Prostate Problems? Get Relief Fast!….then there is ‘My Butts Too Big’…………………plenty of people selling bullshit!

KOOLAID2 on December 8, 2013 at 10:24 AM

Horowitz offers a balance in the obsequies of Mandela.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/david-horowitz/nelson-mandela-1918-2013/print/

onlineanalyst on December 8, 2013 at 9:22 AM
………………..

Great post. I had a similar comment but guess it got pulled.
Here’s a clip from that same link regarding Mandella’s “legacy”:

“South Africa is the murder capital of the world, a nation where a woman is raped every 30 seconds, often by AIDs carriers who go unpunished, and where whites are anything but the citizens of a democratic country which honors the principles of equality and freedom.

Liberated South Africa is one of those epic messes the Left created and promptly forgot about.”

rodguy911 on December 8, 2013 at 10:25 AM

What’s this “Conservative” argument for Nelson? “Well, he could have been involved in many more acts of deadly terrorism, if only he were vengeful…since he wasn’t as depraved as Che or Josef, let’s ignore those unplesantries about him & instead start praising him as a great man!”

I can’t wait to hear the “Conservative” defense of his economic/political “wisdom” next…

Anti-Control on December 8, 2013 at 10:53 AM

Did the tribes in SA have democracy? No, it came with the British and the Boers.

kcewa on December 8, 2013 at 10:06 AM

I wouldn’t consider the apartheid regime in South African democracy.

Illinidiva on December 8, 2013 at 11:08 AM

Obviously, had Hitler been black, we would have ‘Adolph’ day

Liberal media is disgusting.

Redford on December 8, 2013 at 11:33 AM

Did the tribes in SA have democracy? No, it came with the British and the Boers.

kcewa on December 8, 2013 at 10:06 AM

I wouldn’t consider the apartheid regime in South African democracy.

Illinidiva on December 8, 2013 at 11:08 AM

The ANC regime is no better. If the West had a conscience it would allow for the Afrikaners to have their own state.

Punchenko on December 8, 2013 at 11:34 AM

What’s this “Conservative” argument for Nelson? “Well, he could have been involved in many more acts of deadly terrorism, if only he were vengeful…since he wasn’t as depraved as Che or Josef, let’s ignore those unplesantries about him & instead start praising him as a great man!”

I can’t wait to hear the “Conservative” defense of his economic/political “wisdom” next…

Anti-Control on December 8, 2013 at 10:53 AM

I know, it’s all rather bizarre.

It just goes to show that the “conservative movement” — the “thought-leaders” and talking heads — are nothing more than token opposition for the Ruling Left. The communists of yesteryear become the celebrated saints of today.

Punchenko on December 8, 2013 at 11:38 AM

I really miss the Obamateurism of the Day feature.

joekenha on December 8, 2013 at 10:01 AM

The template for it was so worn and tattered that it had to be retired.

oldroy on December 8, 2013 at 11:48 AM

If anyone flies the American flag today, at half-mast for Mandela, due to obama’s order, yell at them and tell them to raise it.

It’s to be flown for US Americans, who sacrificed a lot, not commie South Africans or any other goons around the world…just because your Goon in Chief says so.

It behooves any one of you to keep your eyes open for this, and to do something against it, if you’re still free.

Otherwise, enjoy the shackles.

Schadenfreude on December 8, 2013 at 12:02 PM

Yeah, this guy!

Schadenfreude on December 8, 2013 at 12:03 PM

US citizens only…not world chaff:

Only the president of the United States or the Governor of the state may order the flag to be at half-staff to honor the death of a national or state figure. In addition to the traditional half-staff salutes, the Flag Code mentions the use of our Flag for honoring leading citizens such as Martin Luther King, Jr.

Private citizens and non government buildings may choose to fly their flags at half staff to honor more local leaders. The Flag Code does not exclude any citizen, whether they belong to an organization or not, whether they are recognized very locally or regionally.

Examples of deceased citizens that might be honored with by lowering the Flag to half-staff include local religious leaders, youth leaders, honored teachers or sports coaches, local politicians, or a local hero. There need be no authorization from the government for the private sector (non-government) to use the Flag to honor any citizen.

Schadenfreude on December 8, 2013 at 12:05 PM

So Mandela gets attendance from the current president and past ones (the Bushes and Clinton) and flags at half mast, and Margaret Thatcher got zip. Why is that?

BeachBum on December 8, 2013 at 8:20 AM

Because Thatcher was a conservative who teamed with Ronald Reagan to help bring down the old Soviet Union. For the international left, this failure of communism was a bad thing.

TarheelBen on December 8, 2013 at 12:10 PM

At the doctor this morning, but in light of the scheduled orgy of liberal stupidity, I don’t feel to bad about the tardiness.

But of course, that just makes it Sunday, right? Let’s have another gander at how our DNC/Lapdog Liberal press advances the government’s liberal agenda in the form of pure propaganda this morning, this time with the whole-hearted participation from Republicans and a Clown Brigade of Race Victims:

“Meet the Press” on NBC
• Rev. Jesse Jackson
• Rev. Al Sharpton

Hahahahahahaha … OK, despite the full approval of Mandela’s terrorist activities from MK Ham and Newt and virtually every elected Republican in America, they are still NBC, after all. All racist-race-victimhood, all the time.

“Face the Nation” on CBS
• Former Secretary of State James Baker
• Poet Maya Angelou
• Interim NAACP President Lorraine Miller

We’re 0 for 2 so far … not a functioning brain anywhere.

“This Week” on ABC
• Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.)
• Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio)

Portman recently outed himself as a pandering liberal dope who just runs for office as a “Conservative”. Make it 0 for 3, including moderators. Not a working brain yet.

“Fox News Sunday” on Fox
• Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.)
• Ezekiel Emanuel, former White House health care policy adviser
• Former South African Foreign Minister Pik Botha

But of course … Fox.
First working brain – the moderator Chris Wallace.
First voice that is not part of The Collective – Rand Paul.
A representative from the Kook Left, of course.
And O.M.G. – an actual participant in the profoundly controversial public policy known as “Apartheid”, Pik Botha.

Wow … journalism.

“State of the Union” on CNN
• Rep. Mike McCaul (R-Texas), chairman, House Homeland Security Committee
• Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.)

CNN, undergoing a brutally painfail crisis of identity, goes off on some unknown weird tangent. Two libs (natch) and a GOPer … amnesty push? Not clear, but they are never worth watching.

“Political Capital” on Bloomberg TV
• Former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright

Bloomberg maintains their weekly irrelevance.

“Newsmakers” on C-SPAN
• Rep. Adam Smith (D-Wash.), ranking member, House Armed Services Committee

Ditto for C-Spaz.

“Al Punto” on Univision
• Former President Bill Clinton
• Colombian President Juan Manuel Santos

Ditto for the Racist News Channel.

Fox almost always stands out as the only practicing news channel with the guts to actually give voice to both sides of an issue, or all sides, but this week they actually shame their unworthy competitors.

Alas, they are shameless. Cheers, all. I will be reading an actual printed book today (American Sniper) partly in protest of the increasingly liberal-dominated NFL. TV off until Blackhawks game.

Jaibones on December 8, 2013 at 12:24 PM

hey jack-wagon,
where is your compassion for the people this communist terrorist murdered,
you know blowing up train stations, shopping malls, etc …
and then there are the neck-lacing that he is responsible for …
you know … beat the heck out of someone and tie them up with barbwire
then put a gas soaked tire around their neck and light it …
where is your compassion for those.
an astonishingly wise, patient, and compassionate person? give me a break.
I hope Hell is hot enough for him.

conservative tarheel on December 8, 2013 at 10:15 AM

Schadenfreude on December 8, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Truth about Mandela

Since Mandela took over, South Africa has become a Third World country. It went from being the safest country in Africa, to being the rape and murder capital of the world. In Johannesburg, 5,000 people are murdered every year. Unemployment went from 5% in 1994 to 50% today.

South Africa also has the largest number of people infected with HIV/AIDS in the world. In 2007, over 18% of adults, or 5,700,000 people had AIDS. In 2010, an estimated 280,000 died of AIDS.

Looking beyond the media myth of a “demigod Mandela” as he faces his twilight, one can only say, “good riddance.”

Schadenfreude on December 8, 2013 at 12:37 PM

The televised ceremony will be brought to you commercial free by Bridgestone™.

Murphy9 on December 8, 2013 at 12:59 PM

Answer these questions, obama and your thugs.

Schadenfreude on December 8, 2013 at 1:16 PM

Why is obama not taking the Clintons/Bushs to SA in Airforce One?

Because he can’t handle to be diminished, the oaf of the world.

Schadenfreude on December 8, 2013 at 1:17 PM

The televised ceremony will be brought to you commercial free by Bridgestone™.

Murphy9 on December 8, 2013 at 12:59 PM

Hahahaha…it took me a while to get it. Well played.

Jaibones on December 8, 2013 at 1:46 PM

oldroy on December 8, 2013 at 9:27 AM

Shouldn’t they define a lot of British citizens since all the fighting took place here. I might also like an update on innocent British soldiers. Unarmed prisoners?

Cindy Munford on December 8, 2013 at 1:56 PM

Schadenfreude on December 8, 2013 at 1:17 PM

I heard on TV that they are all going, along with their wives, in AFO.

Cindy Munford on December 8, 2013 at 1:59 PM

Jaibones on December 8, 2013 at 12:24 PM

…glad I watched the replay of the Oiho State/Michigan State game after seeing your run-down…I was able to open my eyes and actually watch the game this time…instead of praying.

KOOLAID2 on December 8, 2013 at 2:13 PM

Chris Wallace is a moron. The questions he asked Rand Paul were loaded and factually wrong. He should be fired.

rndmusrnm on December 8, 2013 at 2:22 PM

I was able to open my eyes and actually watch the game this time…instead of praying.

KOOLAID2 on December 8, 2013 at 2:13 PM

Ah…you had a dog in that fight! I was watching as an interested third party and casual OSU-hater. Remarkable game.

Jaibones on December 8, 2013 at 4:58 PM

Chris Wallace is a moron. The questions he asked Rand Paul were loaded and factually wrong. He should be fired.

rndmusrnm on December 8, 2013 at 2:22 PM

I didn’t watch, but come on. Wallace is no moron, and he’s always fair, if challenging. Give him his due.

Jaibones on December 8, 2013 at 4:58 PM

Since this Sunday was the semi-official Remembering Nelson Mandela Day, I’ll throw this out here:

See Invictus, the movie with Morgan Freeman and Matt Damon directed by Clint Eastwood a few years ago. It’s about how Mandela, shortly after becoming president, decided that one of the best things he could do to help unite South Africa after apartheid was to openly cheer on the almost all-white national rugby team, even as most black South Africans cheered against the team because they were mostly white.

Good flick.

JimLennon on December 8, 2013 at 5:11 PM

Since this Sunday was the semi-official Remembering Nelson Mandela Day, I’ll throw this out here:

See Invictus, the movie with Morgan Freeman and Matt Damon directed by Clint Eastwood a few years ago. It’s about how Mandela, shortly after becoming president, decided that one of the best things he could do to help unite South Africa after apartheid was to openly cheer on the almost all-white national rugby team, even as most black South Africans cheered against the team because they were mostly white.

Good flick.

JimLennon on December 8, 2013 at 5:11 PM

That was a hugely unifying moment for SA’cans. The videos of the celebrations are heartwarming.

Murphy9 on December 8, 2013 at 5:16 PM

Illinidiva on December 8, 2013 at 10:01 AM

You realize he was offered freedom virtually EVERY DAY of his “decades” if he would do one thing – renounce terrorism – he refused.

So his “martyrdom” was self-inflicted.

PJ Emeritus on December 9, 2013 at 3:51 PM