Quotes of the day

posted at 9:01 pm on December 6, 2013 by Allahpundit

The Obama administration said Friday that there could be problems with the enrollment records for a quarter of all the people who signed up for health insurance through the federal marketplace in October and November, raising questions about whether consumers will get coverage in time to pay for their medical care next month

In some cases, the government did not notify insurers of people who enrolled online at HealthCare.gov. The government refers to these people as “C.M.S. orphans” because the consumers successfully completed the application process and selected health plans, but the government did not send the information to the insurers…

In other cases, Ms. Bataille said, the government sent more than one enrollment notice for the same person to an insurer. And in some instances, she said, the information sent was incorrect. A child may have been listed as a parent, a name may have been misspelled, or an address may be wrong.

Moreover, officials said, some people who signed up for a health plan are listed in insurance company records but not in the government’s records. In those cases, consumers may have canceled enrollment in a health plan, but the government failed to inform the insurer.

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One striking thing about the new White House Obamacare promotion campaign is that so far it hasn’t had much to say about the central focus of Obamacare, which is helping Americans buy affordable health insurance

What is indisputable is that the aspects of Obamacare the White House cites most often in its promotional campaign — the pre-existing conditions policy, or the estimated 3.4 million young Americans who can stay on their parents’ coverage until age 26 — involve numbers that are far smaller than the tens of millions of people who will likely face steeper costs, nearly unpayable deductibles and sharply limited doctor choices under Obamacare. (In addition to the 10-million person individual market, some experts believe such problems are coming soon to the 45-million person small-group market.)

And that is why the White House sales campaign focuses on the same things Democrats said in 2009, and 2010, and 2011, and 2012. Back then, the burdens of Obamacare had not yet become a reality for most Americans. Now they have, and the administration does not have a good answer for the millions who will struggle under the new system. No wonder the president is talking about something else.

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Mike Horrigan is a lifelong Democrat with heart problems who supports President Obama’s health care law because he expects it will help many people obtain better insurance, including himself.

But under the new law, the Affordable Care Act, Mr. Horrigan’s coverage by a state high-risk insurance program was eliminated, then replaced by a more expensive plan. His wife’s individual plan was canceled for being substandard, then suddenly renewed — also at a higher price…

Kathleen LeFleur, a broker who works with people who have individual plans at Employee Benefit Advisors, an insurance agency here, said many of the callers to her office had two things in common: confusion and anger. “They are confused before they call,” she said. “After they call, they’re not confused anymore. They’re angry.”…

Calling the increases “unreasonable,” Ms. Horrigan acknowledged that they may be necessary to make the new system work.

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“I was really troubled when Ted Cruz complained. That really hurt me to the core,” [Harry] Reid said. “The only people complaining are those who don’t like the Obamacare. I followed the law.

“And I will also note that there are 150,000 million different families that get their health care through their employees,” Reid said. “So should all federal employees, although under Obamacare, my insurance costs me about $4,500 more that it did before. Yes, because it is age-related and it wasn’t like that before.”

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There also will be fewer choices in the new health order. Blue Shield is restricting access to close to half of its doctors and a quarter of its hospitals in the individual market [in California] — and Blue Shield spokesman Steve Shivinsky told The Orange County Register these providers “had to agree to cut their rates” to get into the network.

In Southern California, the Los Angeles Times reported, Health Net individual policyholders will have access to less than a third of the doctors on employer plans.

Peter Lee, executive director of Covered California, told the San Francisco Chronicle that all but three of the 12 state exchange providers limit doctors and hospitals…

When employers cut off providers, the market can respond. When states and the federal government restrict access, they begin to make every health plan into a health maintenance organization.

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Is our health care system ready for the influx of newly insured patients?

Not yet. “If you do the math, it just doesn’t work,” says Matt Salo, executive director of the National Association of Medicaid Directors. “There is no way we can meet all this new demand with the existing workforce unless we radically change the way we deliver health care.”

American physicians have flooded into subspecialties in recent decades, leaving a dearth of internists and family practitioners to help people manage their health. Some 55 million Americans already live in what the government calls primary care shortage areas. It would take 15,000 primary-care doctors just to fill the current gap, and 45,000 to care for the people will gain health coverage by 2025. Even under the rosiest scenarios, the number won’t rise by more than 6,000—and it may actually decline. “As the demand for adult primary care explodes,” health care experts Thomas Bodenheimer and Mark Smith write in the November issue of Health Affairs, “the capacity to provide that care is shrinking.”

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But even if it were true that we could get better treatment at a lower cost by restricting peoples’ choices, people would still hate having their choices restricted. Americans love choice! There is a reason that the abortion-rights movement has framed itself around the concept of choice and keeping medical decisions between a woman and her doctor, rather than around a more straight feminist argument about the life limitations imposed by an untimely pregnancy.

If narrow networks could give everyone in the country access to health-care outcomes no worse than 90 percent as good as the folks with the best doctors at 75 percent of the price we’d pay for broader networks, the health-care wonks would jump on that deal as an unbelievable bargain. But I think it’s pretty clear that average folks don’t think like health-care wonks.

Rationally, you should get the policy with the highest possible deductible and coinsurance, because more comprehensive insurance basically just means that you’re prepaying the deductible in advance. But people hate those policies. The most bitter union fights are usually when management tries to increase the copays and deductibles on health insurance — even though the union knows exactly how much this is costing, because they’re basically making a dollar-for-dollar trade of wage compensation for health insurance premiums. That’s what the membership wants.

So even if narrow networks actually were better, people would resist them. And they’ll fight with every fiber of their being when you tell them to take their kid with leukemia to a community hospital rather than the top-notch children’s hospital nearby. Expect the fight over doc shock to be bitter and long — and to end when insurers cave and start adding pricey doctors back to their networks.

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The Obama administration said Friday that there could be problems with the enrollment records for a quarter of all the people who signed up for health insurance

Isn’t 75% a solid C?

Do we really want a solid C government???

Happy Nomad on December 6, 2013 at 9:04 PM

What would happen if 80% of the American people just kick this crap in the can and turn their back on it?

Death by 300 millions cuts.

katy on December 6, 2013 at 9:07 PM

Obamacare now comes with a lifetime warranty should you perchance survive the treatment.

viking01 on December 6, 2013 at 9:08 PM

Happy Friday, folks!

wolly4321 on December 6, 2013 at 9:09 PM

Don’t. Sign. Up. Period.

wolly4321 on December 6, 2013 at 9:10 PM

Gabby Giffords told me barkycare was our “moonshot”.

Now it’s Apollo 13.

wolly4321 on December 6, 2013 at 9:14 PM

Isn’t 75% a solid C?

Do we really want a solid C government???

Happy Nomad on December 6, 2013 at 9:04 PM

That’s about as good as you’re going to get with a centralized government program. Which is a good reason not to have one.

kcewa on December 6, 2013 at 9:14 PM

“And I will also note that there are 150,000 million different families that get their health care through their employees,”

Huh? 150,000 million?

ddrintn on December 6, 2013 at 9:14 PM

Where the hell is everyone?

*echo*

wolly4321 on December 6, 2013 at 9:15 PM

New Steyn…

The Post-Work Economy

Resist We Much on December 6, 2013 at 9:16 PM

Darn. I was really hoping for Pope or Christie!

happytobehere on December 6, 2013 at 9:16 PM

Huh? 150,000 million?

ddrintn on December 6, 2013 at 9:14 PM

LOL. Good catch

kcewa on December 6, 2013 at 9:16 PM

*clink*

wolly4321 on December 6, 2013 at 9:17 PM

New Steyn…
The Post-Work Economy

Resist We Much on December 6, 2013 at 9:16 PM

Why don’t we link his original article instead of a copy? Should the man not be paid for his work?

Or am I mistaken?

happytobehere on December 6, 2013 at 9:18 PM

Huh? 150,000 million?

ddrintn on December 6, 2013 at 9:14 PM

Harry’s counting the families still in Mexico.

kcewa on December 6, 2013 at 9:20 PM

Old and Busted: 500 million Americans lose their jobs each month.
The New Hotness: 150,000 million families get health insurance through employer.

Christien on December 6, 2013 at 9:21 PM

Not yet. “If you do the math, it just doesn’t work,” says Matt Salo, executive director of the National Association of Medicaid Directors. “There is no way we can meet all this new [Medicaid] demand with the existing workforce unless we radically change the way we deliver health care.”

Let’s read between the lines here. What he’s saying is that if Medicaid doesn’t ramp up its workforce, more poor people (read, Dem voters) will bite the dust. Welcome, everybody, to the next “stimulous package.”

TXUS on December 6, 2013 at 9:22 PM

Obama is being trapped by his own arrogance. And the media that always enabled him has ironically now enabled his fall.

paul1149 on December 6, 2013 at 9:22 PM

Group G – United States, Germany, Portugal, Ghana

GO, GO, USA!

Christien on December 6, 2013 at 9:24 PM

Group G – United States, Germany, Portugal, Ghana

GO, GO, USA!

Christien on December 6, 2013 at 9:24 PM

Very, very scary.

kcewa on December 6, 2013 at 9:25 PM

evening.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 6, 2013 at 9:27 PM

Huh? 150,000 million?

ddrintn on December 6, 2013 at 9:14 PM

By my math, that’s 150 billion people, which includes all the people on the Mother Ship from which Dingy hails.

TXUS on December 6, 2013 at 9:28 PM

kcewa on December 6, 2013 at 9:25 PM

We’ve got Klinsy, Bob Bradley will hand Mike some solid intel on Ghana, and facing Ronaldo is awesome. LOVE this challenge.

Christien on December 6, 2013 at 9:28 PM

Evening, ALT.

wolly4321 on December 6, 2013 at 9:29 PM

USA vs Ronaldo in Manaus, heart of the Amazon.

Sick, sick, sick!

Christien on December 6, 2013 at 9:30 PM

…why does the man in the picture to the thread…look so much dumber?

KOOLAID2 on December 6, 2013 at 9:34 PM

A reminder:

The 150 million figure includes those from all 57 states.

viking01 on December 6, 2013 at 9:34 PM

We’ve got Klinsy, Bob Bradley will hand Mike some solid intel on Ghana, and facing Ronaldo is awesome. LOVE this challenge.

Christien on December 6, 2013 at 9:28 PM

Maybe we can drone CR7. Definitely a challenge.

“We will take it On” – Klinsmann

kcewa on December 6, 2013 at 9:35 PM

So, Jan 1 these people find out they are fluked?

Good.

wolly4321 on December 6, 2013 at 9:37 PM

If you’re Going To Brazil it might as well be Manaus. I saw Deuce saying that he’s looking forward to fishing the Amazon.

kcewa on December 6, 2013 at 9:37 PM

kcewa on December 6, 2013 at 9:35 PM

Since his father named him Ronaldo after Reagan, don’t put it past this administration.

Christien on December 6, 2013 at 9:39 PM

If you’re Going To Brazil it might as well be Manaus. I saw Deuce saying that he’s looking forward to fishing the Amazon.

kcewa on December 6, 2013 at 9:37 PM

Just don’t step on any anacondas……

viking01 on December 6, 2013 at 9:40 PM

So, is it that Obama is going for an equality of hate between he and U.S.?

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 6, 2013 at 9:41 PM

…sounds like a clusterphuck…to me!

KOOLAID2 on December 6, 2013 at 9:44 PM

Where the hell is everyone?

*echo*

wolly4321 on December 6, 2013 at 9:15 PM

…*freezing*…

KOOLAID2 on December 6, 2013 at 9:47 PM

Moreover, officials said, some people who signed up for a health plan are listed in insurance company records but not in the government’s records. In those cases, consumers may have canceled enrollment in a health plan, but the government failed to inform the insurer.

Sort of the same way the IRS fails to inform you of back taxes owed? Didn’t think so.

One striking thing about the new White House Obamacare promotion campaign is that so far it hasn’t had much to say about the central focus of Obamacare, which is helping Americans buy affordable health insurance…

What is indisputable is that the aspects of Obamacare the White House cites most often in its promotional campaign — the pre-existing conditions policy, or the estimated 3.4 million young Americans who can stay on their parents’ coverage until age 26 — involve numbers that are far smaller than the tens of millions of people who will likely face steeper costs, nearly unpayable deductibles and sharply limited doctor choices under Obamacare.

Based on the “mission statement”, this qualifies as an “epic fail”, and in the private sector the company would already be under investigation by the Federal Trade Commission for fraudulent practices.

“And I will also note that there are 150,000 million different families that get their health care through their employees,” Reid said. “So should all federal employees, although under Obamacare, my insurance costs me about $4,500 more that it did before. Yes, because it is age-related and it wasn’t like that before.”

I will just note that 150 billion “families” is just slightly greater than the human population of this planet. About 142.5 billion greater, to be exact.

Not that we needed any more proof that Harry can’t add 2 plus 2 and get 4 consistently.

“If you do the math, it just doesn’t work,” says Matt Salo, executive director of the National Association of Medicaid Directors. “There is no way we can meet all this new demand with the existing workforce unless we radically change the way we deliver health care.”

American physicians have flooded into subspecialties in recent decades, leaving a dearth of internists and family practitioners to help people manage their health. Some 55 million Americans already live in what the government calls primary care shortage areas. It would take 15,000 primary-care doctors just to fill the current gap, and 45,000 to care for the people will gain health coverage by 2025.

I expect The One and company to mandate a morally-pristine progressive solution, something along the lines of Red China’s “Barefoot Doctors” program. It will be just as disastrous for us as it has been for China.

Of course, it will also reduce the population, so from their POV, it won’t be all bad.

So even if narrow networks actually were better, people would resist them. And they’ll fight with every fiber of their being when you tell them to take their kid with leukemia to a community hospital rather than the top-notch children’s hospital nearby. Expect the fight over doc shock to be bitter and long — and to end when insurers cave and start adding pricey doctors back to their networks.

No, The One will just order the top-flight children’s hospital closed. In the name of “fairness”.

Destruction is always easier than building. And for a certain type of mentality, more satisfying, especially if they can hurt a lot of people they despise in the process.

Yes, The One despises us.

clear ether

eon

eon on December 6, 2013 at 9:47 PM

Pres. B and Sec. of HHS Ms. Errors Galore worked together with equal fail history.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 6, 2013 at 9:48 PM

Gabby Giffords told me barkycare was our “moonshot”.

Now it’s Apollo 13.

wolly4321 on December 6, 2013 at 9:14 PM

No, it’s Apollo 1.

ElectricPhase on December 6, 2013 at 9:50 PM

Hi Twerp,

The toenail on my big toe is getting more sign ups than ObamaCare.

My little toe is a piker so it doesn’t grow as fast.

I posted some news about shrimps. Did you see it?

SparkPlug on December 6, 2013 at 9:55 PM

Where the hell is everyone?

*echo*

wolly4321 on December 6, 2013 at 9:15 PM

…*freezing*…

KOOLAID2 on December 6, 2013 at 9:47 PM

Nothing fends off global cooling like a cheery fire of remaindered Inconvenient Truth and Earth In The Balance books.

viking01 on December 6, 2013 at 9:56 PM

If Scrumpy doesn’t show up I will prolly do my laundry. You can’t pick up hotties with stinky clothes.

SparkPlug on December 6, 2013 at 9:58 PM

…*freezing*…

KOOLAID2 on December 6, 2013 at 9:47 PM

Come on down KA2- low 80′s all week.
I am selective on my yankee snowbird invitations. ;)

bazil9 on December 6, 2013 at 9:58 PM

Isn’t 75% a solid C?

Do we really want a solid C government???

Happy Nomad on December 6, 2013 at 9:04 PM

75% is easily “a solid B+” if you apply a curve that adjusts for all that horrible racism inherent in the grading system.

Gingotts on December 6, 2013 at 9:59 PM

viking01 on December 6, 2013 at 9:56 PM

Lolz. AL GORES BOOK is cheaper than fire wood.

SparkPlug on December 6, 2013 at 9:59 PM

You can’t pick up hotties with stinky clothes.

SparkPlug on December 6, 2013 at 9:58 PM

Don’t forget to deodorize those sexy boots!
Or you’re on the bottom bunk. ;)

bazil9 on December 6, 2013 at 10:01 PM

Betcha Ken gets a Christmas shopping Bish. First one in line and the first one done.

I’ll be hanging with B9 but I will have to sneak over to lawn and garden to get her gift.

SparkPlug on December 6, 2013 at 10:02 PM

wolly4321 on December 6, 2013 at 9:14 PM

Nope, that was turning a disaster into a success.

No, it’s Apollo 1.

ElectricPhase on December 6, 2013 at 9:50 PM

Close, but Apollo 1 tragedy was suspected by only a few people before hand.

What 0bamacare is turning into is unprecedented.

cozmo on December 6, 2013 at 10:05 PM

I’ll be hanging with B9 but I will have to sneak over to lawn and garden to get her gift.

SparkPlug on December 6, 2013 at 10:02 PM

Hmmmmm…..I gotta send you my list. ;)

bazil9 on December 6, 2013 at 10:05 PM

Let’s talk about Isla Mujeres. Anybody been there?

RushBaby on December 6, 2013 at 10:06 PM

O/T:

Cozmo won’t be wearing his winter Texas pants this weekend. He won’t be wearing his summer Texas pants either.

SparkPlug on December 6, 2013 at 10:06 PM

Gabby Giffords told me barkycare was our “moonshot”.

Now it’s Apollo 13.

wolly4321 on December 6, 2013 at 9:14 PM

.
She meant turn around and bend over…

ExpressoBold on December 6, 2013 at 10:08 PM

Is ObamaCare really that big of a ginormous superfund toxic waste Plop seepage problem?

YES

SparkPlug on December 6, 2013 at 10:09 PM

Where’s Ed? On super secret double probation, maybe?

ExpressoBold on December 6, 2013 at 10:10 PM

SparkPlug on December 6, 2013 at 10:09 PM

YES!
Filled with liarrhea.

bazil9 on December 6, 2013 at 10:11 PM

How are we ever gonna get a 3,000% health insurance cost reduction out of this hive of Federal wienies?

ExpressoBold on December 6, 2013 at 10:11 PM

bazil9 on December 6, 2013 at 10:11 PM

Hahaha. Oh my B9. Barry lies like a Clinton.

Hey did you snatch a glance Hills new dress? It’s cankley

SparkPlug on December 6, 2013 at 10:14 PM

’lets talk about Isla Mujeres. Anybody been there? RushBaby on December 6, 2013 at 10:06 PM

Nope. Never been there. As easy as it is to picture hedonistic paradise,, I can also picture being carried hog-tied to a bamboo pole to a large boiling kettle. In both scenarios,, they look hot.

wolly4321 on December 6, 2013 at 10:16 PM

B. Obama, a unending ever expanding universe of lies.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 6, 2013 at 10:16 PM

Hey did you snatch a glance Hills new dress? It’s cankley

SparkPlug on December 6, 2013 at 10:14 PM

snatch..lolz
No I didn’t..which is good. My misery index is high enough.

bazil9 on December 6, 2013 at 10:18 PM

They were Mayan..

wolly4321 on December 6, 2013 at 10:21 PM

wolly4321 on December 6, 2013 at 9:10 PM

.
Follow up from a couple of weeks ago when you were asking what we would be doing to NOT comply:

My son (wife and I are covered through her employer plan) is one of the “young invincibles”.

He got word yesterday his application for a new policy running from end of December 2013 to end of December 2014 had been approved.

Half the cost of ObamaCare and 1/3 the deductibles.

We’re are making sure everyone we know with a “young invincible” is aware of this option.

Unsurprisingly, folks are really happy to hear of a better option.

PolAgnostic on December 6, 2013 at 10:22 PM

SparkPlug on December 6, 2013 at 10:06 PM

Its freaking cold. I am wearing sweat pants.

cozmo on December 6, 2013 at 10:23 PM

Let’s talk about Isla Mujeres. Anybody been there?

RushBaby on December 6, 2013 at 10:06 PM

Been to Mexico many times…but not there.

bazil9 on December 6, 2013 at 10:25 PM

cozmo on December 6, 2013 at 10:23 PM

Good evening, Cozmo. :) It’s nice to see you.

We just got snow last night and this morning. About 4-5 inches. It’s absolutely beautiful.

thatsafactjack on December 6, 2013 at 10:25 PM

’lets talk about Isla Mujeres. Anybody been there?

RushBaby on December 6, 2013 at 10:06 PM

.
Nope, but here’s a link with reviews for the various facilities by people who have.

http://www.tripadvisor.com/SmartDeals-g150810-Isla_Mujeres_Yucatan_Peninsula-Hotel-Deals.html

PolAgnostic on December 6, 2013 at 10:26 PM

I’m A Bad Boy – Musselwhite

thatsafactjack on December 6, 2013 at 10:27 PM

Cheerio J.

bazil9 on December 6, 2013 at 10:28 PM

bazil9 on December 6, 2013 at 10:28 PM

Good evening, B9.:) Always a pleasure to see you.

Rice Crispies. lol!

thatsafactjack on December 6, 2013 at 10:28 PM

PolAgnostic on December 6, 2013 at 10:22 PM

I assume you purchased off exchange then?

bazil9 on December 6, 2013 at 10:29 PM

Good evening, B9.:) Always a pleasure to see you.

Rice Crispies. lol!

thatsafactjack on December 6, 2013 at 10:28 PM

I was trying to be a Brit…ya know..Cherrio,pip pip :]
Filling in for resist and scrumps. lol
Thought it may lure axe out.

bazil9 on December 6, 2013 at 10:30 PM

We just got snow last night and this morning. About 4-5 inches. It’s absolutely beautiful.

thatsafactjack on December 6, 2013 at 10:25 PM

.
Yes. Yes, it is … even having gone out and plowed 1,000 feet of driveway and having to redo the effort again tomorrow.

I LIKE seasons.

I need to take some pictures in the morning when the sun comes out.

PolAgnostic on December 6, 2013 at 10:31 PM

Phuck Mehico..
I stopped my trips there..no dinero from me anymore.
I’ll stick with the Abacos.

bazil9 on December 6, 2013 at 10:33 PM

PolAgnostic on December 6, 2013 at 10:31 PM

Good evening, PolAgnostic. :)

At least you didn’t have to shovel that 1000 feet. Sunlight, or moonlight, on new snow, is remarkable. :)

thatsafactjack on December 6, 2013 at 10:34 PM

bazil9 on December 6, 2013 at 10:30 PM

And well done, too. :)

thatsafactjack on December 6, 2013 at 10:35 PM

thatsafactjack on December 6, 2013 at 10:35 PM

*smooch*

SparkPlug on December 6, 2013 at 10:36 PM

One Way Out – Allman Brothers

thatsafactjack on December 6, 2013 at 10:36 PM

PolAgnostic on December 6, 2013 at 10:22 PM.

One year. It’s all going to change anyway. I don’t think there is a right answer. If there is, I sure don’t know it.

But,, if you are good with it for now, I’m glad for you and yours.

I would just rather not play this game.

I won’t comply.

wolly4321 on December 6, 2013 at 10:37 PM

SparkPlug on December 6, 2013 at 10:36 PM

Good evening, Spark. :)

Frisky, Spark. You heart breaker. ;)

thatsafactjack on December 6, 2013 at 10:38 PM

Where’s Ed? On super secret double probation, maybe?

ExpressoBold on December 6, 2013 at 10:10 PM

…(family issues regarding health…which requires lengthy travel)

KOOLAID2 on December 6, 2013 at 10:38 PM

I assume you purchased off exchange then?

bazil9 on December 6, 2013 at 10:29 PM


esurance.com
– still in the business of providing comparison shopping for health insurance.

Side note: How STUPID are liberals? They could have negotiated an agreement with esurance.com to do what Healthcare.gov does and had a bulletproof solution on day 1.

Everthing else would still validate repealing Obamacare not to mention this little “guaranteed to make them fail” nugget:

Obamacare’s Perilous Protection Plan for Debtors

PolAgnostic on December 6, 2013 at 10:38 PM

Been waiting all day to share this:

http://youtu.be/ByfpiTlLlSk

rottenrobbie on December 6, 2013 at 10:39 PM

ObamaCare is like Pearl Harbor and 9/11 and Katrina combined and exponentiated.

VorDaj on December 6, 2013 at 10:42 PM

VorDaj on December 6, 2013 at 10:42 PM

Good evening, VorDaj. :)

Yes… and now they want to add another 1- 20 million illegal aliens in yet another AMNESTY… and their attendant 50 million relatives in chain migration… to ‘make it work’.

thatsafactjack on December 6, 2013 at 10:44 PM

If a mentally deranged 6 year old had somehow become President, how would we be able to tell the difference between that and what we’ve got now?

VorDaj on December 6, 2013 at 10:45 PM

Obamacare’s Perilous Protection Plan for Debtors

PolAgnostic on December 6, 2013 at 10:38 PM

Yep..that is why docs Hospitals and facilities are turning now to collection co-pays, deduct,co-insurance up front after varying benes. As noted..
My docs stared it a few weeks ago.
Of course Dick and Jane America will work the system…the nefarious behavior will be in full motion..bank it.

bazil9 on December 6, 2013 at 10:46 PM

If Scrumpy doesn’t show up I will prolly do my laundry. You can’t pick up hotties with stinky clothes.

SparkPlug on December 6, 2013 at 9:58 PM

But you can pick up stinkies with hotty clothes. Couldn’t resist.

TXUS on December 6, 2013 at 10:46 PM

VorDaj on December 6, 2013 at 10:45 PM

The six year old may recover.

thatsafactjack on December 6, 2013 at 10:47 PM

thatsafactjack on December 6, 2013 at 10:25 PM

PolAgnostic on December 6, 2013 at 10:31 PM

Y’all ain’t only crazy, but masochists to boot.

rottenrobbie on December 6, 2013 at 10:39 PM

That pegs the cool meter.

cozmo on December 6, 2013 at 10:47 PM

rottenrobbie on December 6, 2013 at 10:39 PM

Good evening, rottenrobbie. :)

Very cool. Thanks.

thatsafactjack on December 6, 2013 at 10:48 PM

wolly4321 on December 6, 2013 at 10:37 PM

.
I’ll bet you a virtual nickel that Obamacare is repealed before he needs to renew.

There is no up side or way out for the Democrats other than to kill Obamacare before it kills their party.

AP’s admiration for Mary Landrieu’s “Code Red” strikes me as sophmoric.

If things are in the cesspool you helped create, diving into it by word alone does not impress me … it just makes me look at you with a MORE cynical eye and think,

“Oh, that’s slimy – put yourself in the deep sh1te with this ridiculous statement, wait till late spring and then annouunce you are pulling out of the race for “family reasons”.

Which under current FEC regualtions, would allow her to keep the campaign funds raised on her behalf between now and then.

PolAgnostic on December 6, 2013 at 10:48 PM

Good evening, VorDaj. :)

thatsafactjack on December 6, 2013 at 10:44 PM

Good evening, Springerle.

VorDaj on December 6, 2013 at 10:48 PM

I am so furious. I have been suspended on Twitter. Some Obama voters reported me repeatedly, and I never broke any rules. I have now lost control of @bluegill4ever. Not sure how long the suspension will last. It was an automatic thing because of the people clicking “report.” Have to wait for a response to my appeal.

I am going to make the following names so I will have backups. Will have to build up my follower list from scratch each time. Oh, well!

@bluegillReturns
@bluegillUnleashed
@bluegillStrikesBack
@bluegillTheRevenge

I’m off now. Have a nice weekend!

bluegill on December 6, 2013 at 10:49 PM

Whipping Post – Allman Brothers

thatsafactjack on December 6, 2013 at 10:49 PM

ObamaCare is like Pearl Harbor and 9/11 and Katrina combined and exponentiated.

VorDaj on December 6, 2013 at 10:42 PM

It’s more like Stage 4 cancer, with weeks to live.

TXUS on December 6, 2013 at 10:50 PM

VorDaj on December 6, 2013 at 10:48 PM

lol! Thanks you. That’s very sweet. :)

thatsafactjack on December 6, 2013 at 10:51 PM

I am so furious. I have been suspended on Twitter.

bluegill on December 6, 2013 at 10:49 PM

You had to be you.

cozmo on December 6, 2013 at 10:51 PM

thanks… where did that ‘s’ come from? lol!

Should be ‘thank you’.

thatsafactjack on December 6, 2013 at 10:51 PM

B. Obama, a unending ever expanding universe of lies.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 6, 2013 at 10:16 PM

A Black Hole – truth goes in but none ever comes out.

VorDaj on December 6, 2013 at 10:52 PM

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