Nelson Mandela, 1918-2013

posted at 7:51 pm on December 5, 2013 by Mary Katharine Ham

“Our nation has lost its greatest son,” [South African] President Jacob Zuma said in a televised address on Thursday night, adding that Mr. Mandela had died at 8:50 p.m. local time. “His humility, his compassion and his humanity earned him our love.”

The Internet is awash with remembrances of Mandela from people who never knew him. Some will be self-important and tiresome, but most are just the honest, gut feelings of millions—each a testament to the reach of this towering, touching figure of the 20th century. I never knew him, but I knew the power of his inspiration and his example. As a kid, attending majority-black schools in North Carolina less than a generation removed from segregation, my classmates and I knew we were there, together, because of the bravery and leadership of good people who came before us. It was a hard thing to grasp at 7 (likely easier for my black classmates), vague at first. We played hopscotch under the arc of the moral universe, rarely looking skyward to see where it was bending. But there were moments when, in our innocence, we could feel the weight of what happened before we were born— a trip to Woolworth’s in Greensboro just minutes away or the release of Nelson Mandela on the other side of the world.

Greater awareness and hormones intervened, turning middle school into a place of racial tension where old friendships were taboo and anger reigned. Mandela’s example of a man supremely wronged who did not let bitterness overtake him seemed amazing, otherworldly. I’ll always be thankful he was the leader who rose while a bunch of confused teenagers in North Carolina were hurting from wounds old and new. Mandela’s life and death, of course, are not about me or my experiences. But the enormity of what Mandela did gave so many the opportunity to discover the beautiful joys and challenges we experienced alongside all God’s children. And, he gave my friends and me an idea of the giant people and giant sacrifices required to allow us to live in a neighborhood where “little black boys and girls” literally, routinely held hands with “little white boys and girls.” It was a gift and it wasn’t always a given. But it’s easy to take for granted what seems impossible after it’s already been done.

The New York Times makes one succinct paragraph of what’s one of the most improbable turn-arounds in history:

Mr. Mandela spent 27 years in prison after being convicted of treason by the white minority government, only to forge a peaceful end to white rule by negotiating with his captors after his release in 1990. He led the African National Congress, long a banned liberation movement, to a resounding electoral victory in 1994, the first fully democratic election in the country’s history.

It’s hard not to look back at moments like that, like the American Revolution, the Civil War, World War II, the Cold War and marvel at how lucky we are to have had the right leaders in the right places to make things happen. And to marvel at the sheer force of will and skill it took to make them happen. The Washington Post has an interesting read on Mandela, the political animal behind the saintly figure. He needed the soft-spoken, forgiving side and the savvy, harder political side to change his country:

Admirable as they were, those saintly virtues don’t begin to explain his political genius. Mandela was also cunning, iron-willed, bull-headed, contemptuous — and more embittered than he let on. He needed all of his traits — soft and hard — to engineer a political miracle: persuading a sitting government to negotiate its own abdication by yielding power to the very people it had ruthlessly oppressed.

Historic transfers of that magnitude typically occur only at gunpoint. To pull it off peacefully, Mandela knew that he had to tame the racial fears and hatreds that have haunted beautiful South Africa since the first whites settled there four centuries ago. He needed to teach militant blacks that they couldn’t take revenge and frightened whites that they shouldn’t fear retribution.

Mandela didn’t do all that by himself. On both sides of the racial divide, he had the help of legions of sophisticated negotiators determined to find a peaceful path to democracy. His main partner, President Frederik W. de Klerk, was a shrewd Afrikaner who had the foresight to understand that the grotesque apartheid system he once championed was destroying his country, and he had the fortitude to stick with his surrender-without-a-fight strategy through four arduous years of start-and-stop negotiations, even as the deal grew less attractive for the white minority that had put him in power.

Read the whole thing if you have the time. Mandela is not just the man with the halo, and he couldn’t have done what he did if he were.

Mandela’s most famous quotes.

Mandela’s life in pictures.

Thoughts and prayers for his family and his countrymen.

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Thoughts are with this family.

gophergirl on December 5, 2013 at 7:57 PM

How long before Whites are forced out of South Africa ?

This has been the question on the minds of White South Africans for the past few years while Nelson Mandela was on death’s doorstep.

J_Crater on December 5, 2013 at 8:00 PM

Barry has to be concerned about the justified adulation of a real Black hero compared to the suck that is Obama.

Dingbat63 on December 5, 2013 at 8:02 PM

How long before Race-baiters are forced out of Hot Air ?

lostmotherland on December 5, 2013 at 8:04 PM

RIP.

CWchangedhisNicagain on December 5, 2013 at 8:05 PM

A great man. R.I.P.

GOPRanknFile on December 5, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Communist.

Akzed on December 5, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Barry has to be concerned about the justified adulation of a real Black hero compared to the suck that is Obama.

Dingbat63 on December 5, 2013 at 8:02 PM

I thought BO was white.

Dr. Frank Enstine on December 5, 2013 at 8:06 PM

Mandela received a Nobel Peace prize after really fighting for change against unimaginable odds …and after being put in jail for many years….

Obama’s prize cheapens it.

How long before Race-baiters are forced out of Hot Air ?

lostmotherland on December 5, 2013 at 8:04 PM

Troll king.

CWchangedhisNicagain on December 5, 2013 at 8:06 PM

The Nobody of the USA spake immediately.

He appears so tiny, so insignificant, so empty, as he always is.

He has NO connection to Mandela but attempts to take credit. He never struggled in his life, not for a day, and never did much of any significance, ever.

No, he did nothing for “his people”…no telling who/what they are. To be sure, he never did anything for the blacks of America. Don’t make me provide stats.

For the next two weeks TV, incl. Faux won’t have as much time to fill on all the travesties of obama’care’…but it ain’t going away. People will die due to obama and obama’care’, soon.

For now he and his have a biiiiiig squirrel, but it’s temporary.

Imagine, obama received the Nobel too.

It’s a fluked up world, all around.

Schadenfreude on December 5, 2013 at 8:07 PM

*yawn*

Anything noteworthy happen today?

jaime on December 5, 2013 at 8:10 PM

One of my favorite college professors spent time on Robbin Island before he was banned from South Africa. He knew Mandela from the earliest days. I learned much from him, about life, about Mandela…the good and the bad. As for Mandela? Lord knows we need more like him today. Yes, he had a past history…but he rose above that in a transformative way unlike anyone could have expected. Alas, we will not see persons of his stature in our lifetime, not under the present rubric.

As for South Africa?

Lesser men than Mandela are already jockeying for power and position. Far lesser men. Zimbabwe is not that far away, in more ways than mere miles.

coldwarrior on December 5, 2013 at 8:10 PM

The former South African president, who won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1993, has always denied being a member of the South African branch of the movement, which mounted an armed campaign of guerrilla resistance along with the ANC.

But research by a British historian, Professor Stephen Ellis, has unearthed fresh evidence that during his early years as an activist, Mr Mandela did hold senior rank in the South African Communist Party, or SACP. He says Mr Mandela joined the SACP to enlist the help of the Communist superpowers for the ANC’s campaign of armed resistance to white rule.

His book also provides fresh detail on how the ANC’s military wing had bomb-making lessons from the IRA, and intelligence training from the East German Stasi, which it used to carry out brutal interrogations of suspected “spies” at secret prison camps.

Akzed on December 5, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Read the whole thing if you have the time. Mandela is not just the man with the halo, and he couldn’t have done what he did if he were.

Yes, he was a communist (and lied about it) and also had terrorist ties.

So, while I think it’s important to honor someone for their good work, we should also be careful about deifying someone.

I’m not pointing this out to be mean-spirited, but rather to say that we shouldn’t overly romanticize this man.

bluegill on December 5, 2013 at 8:10 PM

“I learned that courage was not the absence of fear, but the triumph over it. The brave man is not he who does not feel afraid, but he who conquers that fear.” – Nelson Mandela

“I won.” – Barack Obama

Good Solid B-Plus on December 5, 2013 at 8:10 PM

So, Hot Air is going to play the Mandela propaganda game too. I’m very disappointed.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/africa/item/15888-saint-mandela-not-so-fast

Now that Mandela is finally dead, it’s a good time to reflect on his many victims, his many acts of terrorism, his many crimes, and his life as a unabashed communist.

Pork-Chop on December 5, 2013 at 8:11 PM

How long before Race-baiters are forced out of Hot Air ? lostmotherland on December 5, 2013 at 8:04 Pm

Hopefully no longer than it takes admin to read your post.. and start with you.

wolly4321 on December 5, 2013 at 8:11 PM

Address by President Nelson Mandela on the occasion of the 75th Anniversary of the South African Communist Party

This is the SACP web site.

Akzed on December 5, 2013 at 8:12 PM

How long before Race-baiters are forced out of Hot Air ?

lostmotherland on December 5, 2013 at 8:04 PM

Go find a ditch to die in.
lostmotherland on December 21, 2012 at 6:49 PM

Why are you still here, you swine?

Schadenfreude on December 5, 2013 at 8:12 PM

How long before Race-baiters are forced out of Hot Air ?

lostmotherland on December 5, 2013 at 8:04 PM

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Well, let’s see . . . . . . . . . .

( hmmm … 7:51 PM to 8:04 PM . . . . . . . . . . thirteen minutes )
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Got it ! ….. It was just thirteen minutes.

listens2glenn on December 5, 2013 at 8:16 PM

How long before Race-baiters are forced out of Hot Air ?

lostmotherland on December 5, 2013 at 8:04 PM

l.m.a.o
Like who..YOU?

bazil9 on December 5, 2013 at 8:16 PM

It’s complicated. Yes he was a communist, but the West didn’t help itself by embracing an aparteid government for so long. And he wasn’t repentant about terrorist acts, but the S.A. Government also engaged in repressive acts. Not sure I wouldn’t have done the same in his shoes.

But when he had the opportunity, he went for Truth and Reconciliation rather than the Mugabe route.

rbj on December 5, 2013 at 8:16 PM

*yawn*

Anything noteworthy happen today?

jaime on December 5, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Yes, a former communist died.

rickv404 on December 5, 2013 at 8:17 PM

I’m with Bluegill on this one.

catmman on December 5, 2013 at 8:18 PM

themotherlnadlostanidiot is one of the 2 biggest racists on HA.

Schadenfreude on December 5, 2013 at 8:18 PM

How long before Race-baiters are forced out of Hot Air ?

lostmotherland on December 5, 2013 at 8:04 PM

.
Well, let’s see . . . . . . . . . .

( hmmm … 7:51 PM to 8:04 PM . . . . . . . . . . thirteen minutes )
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Got it ! ….. It was just thirteen minutes.

listens2glenn on December 5, 2013 at 8:16 PM

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Or isn’t that what you meant?

listens2glenn on December 5, 2013 at 8:19 PM

Didn’t he kind of stand in the way of an attempt to minoritize the racial majority in South Africa? Better not try that in a country with a Caucasian racial majority. There would be no global mourning upon news of your passing.

Buddahpundit on December 5, 2013 at 8:21 PM

lml posted and ran.

22044 on December 5, 2013 at 8:21 PM

OBAMA IS MANDELA!!!

New media narrative…….in……5….4….3….

PappyD61 on December 5, 2013 at 8:22 PM

Hopefully the Republicans will honor Nelson Mandela’s memory by leaving Obamacare alone.

/<sad that this needs to be here.

happytobehere on December 5, 2013 at 8:22 PM

lml posted and ran.

22044 on December 5, 2013 at 8:21 PM

That’s what it does. What a loser.

CWchangedhisNicagain on December 5, 2013 at 8:23 PM

Reagan must be spinning in his grave. One commie thug in the White House stripping away Americans’ freedom. Another commie thug from his era given the revisionist hagiography by so-called “conservatives” of our era. The conservative culture is truly lost.

sauldalinsky on December 5, 2013 at 8:23 PM

lml posted and ran.

22044 on December 5, 2013 at 8:21 PM

Typical…it is how they always operate.

bazil9 on December 5, 2013 at 8:24 PM

So Mandela is praised by the Left..

….so he must be the Communist George Washington or something?

PappyD61 on December 5, 2013 at 8:24 PM

This should be another snappy thread, I thoroughly enjoyed the last one.

Bishop on December 5, 2013 at 8:25 PM

mandela was a communist.

whats the big deal?

I would make the case South Africa is worse off now.

renalin on December 5, 2013 at 8:25 PM

“With our box of matches and our necklaces, we shall liberate this country” -Winnie Mandela (1986)

By “necklaces” she was referring to the ANC’s practice of tying someone up and placing a car tire around his neck, then filling it with gasoline, and setting it ablaze.

She’s a veritable Martha Washington!

Akzed on December 5, 2013 at 8:25 PM

The Republic of South Africa is the only country I know of that has put up carjacking zone warning signs on its highways.

Legacy.

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 5, 2013 at 8:25 PM

So blacks were discriminated against and abused in apartheid South Africa and now whites are being murdered and driven out of non-apartheid South Africa. Nobody is interested in equality. It’s all just a guilt fueled power grab.

-The oppressed love their oppressors and emulate them at their first opportunity.

DFCtomm on December 5, 2013 at 8:26 PM

I guess I should care or something…
Ummm..sorry..can’t muster- a give a shit.

bazil9 on December 5, 2013 at 8:26 PM

OBAMA IS MANDELA!!!

New media narrative…….in……5….4….3….

PappyD61 on December 5, 2013 at 8:22 PM

Heh. Those two have very little in common.

CWchangedhisNicagain on December 5, 2013 at 8:26 PM

Communist.

Akzed on December 5, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Glad someone finally said it.

Corporal Tunnel on December 5, 2013 at 8:27 PM

*yawn*

Anything noteworthy happen today?

jaime on December 5, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Yep. Couldn’t care less.

98ZJUSMC on December 5, 2013 at 8:28 PM

OBAMA IS MANDELA!!!

New media narrative…….in……5….4….3….

PappyD61 on December 5, 2013 at 8:22 PM

Yeah, because he shook his hand once.

Schadenfreude on December 5, 2013 at 8:29 PM

While his handling of the of apartheid was admirable, he was still a communist and apologist for terrorists like the Palestinians and Saddam Hussein. He falls far short of being great, but I’ll give him an “OK”.

Bitter Clinger on December 5, 2013 at 8:30 PM

Yeah, because he shook his hand once.

Schadenfreude on December 5, 2013 at 8:29 PM

They also married equally beautiful women.

Bishop on December 5, 2013 at 8:31 PM

s/b end of apartheid

Bitter Clinger on December 5, 2013 at 8:31 PM

Yeah, sorry to pop your bubble but Mandela is a myth. He’s a communist terrorist (even worse than Ayers) racist who, while deserves some credit for ending apartheid (a good thing), has to take responsibility for the devastation of his country as a direct result of his “leadership.” Great that he’s seen as a great healer of race, etc… but you have to know the whole picture. This audience should be well aware of the myth Obama has become. Mandela is no different.

fudgypup on December 5, 2013 at 8:32 PM

Barry has to be concerned about the justified adulation of a real Black hero compared to the suck that is Obama.

..are you kidding me? President Shiit-For-Brains is beside himself with joy! He’s got AF One warming up, his bags packed, The Woookie and the pooch out the door and he’s on his way to some week-long junket to the planting of Mandela. He’ll be gleefully tap dancing down the tarmac thinking about the straight-through from Cape Town to Kialua where he can start his obligatory three week vacation on the golf course when not frolicking in the surf, showing off his glistening “perfect physical specimen” man boobs.

The War Planner on December 5, 2013 at 8:32 PM

One of my favorite college professors spent time on Robbin Island before he was banned from South Africa. He knew Mandela from the earliest days. I learned much from him, about life, about Mandela…the good and the bad. As for Mandela? Lord knows we need more like him today. Yes, he had a past history…but he rose above that in a transformative way unlike anyone could have expected. Alas, we will not see persons of his stature in our lifetime, not under the present rubric.

As for South Africa?

Lesser men than Mandela are already jockeying for power and position. Far lesser men. Zimbabwe is not that far away, in more ways than mere miles.

coldwarrior on December 5, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Meh. Whatever….

98ZJUSMC on December 5, 2013 at 8:32 PM

While his handling of the of apartheid was admirable, he was still a communist and apologist for terrorists like the Palestinians and Saddam Hussein. He falls far short of being great, but I’ll give him an “OK”.

Bitter Clinger on December 5, 2013 at 8:30 PM

Mandela was FAR MORE than just an “apologist for terrorists” – Mandela was a convicted terrorist himself.

“He was a leader of the African National Congress (ANC), an organization designated a terrorist group by the U.S. State Department and many governments and intelligence agencies. He was also a co-founder of the ANC’s Umkhonto we Sizwe (Spear of the Nation), a militant terrorist group within a terrorist group. He was tried and convicted for his terrorist and subversive activities within those organizations.”

http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/africa/item/15888-saint-mandela-not-so-fast

Pork-Chop on December 5, 2013 at 8:34 PM

It’s not like black South Africans forsook Mandela’s ideals and took to attacking black immigrants from other parts of Africa, so ease up on them.

Bishop on December 5, 2013 at 8:34 PM

It’s complicated. Yes he was a communist, but the West didn’t help itself by embracing an aparteid government for so long. And he wasn’t repentant about terrorist acts, but the S.A. Government also engaged in repressive acts. Not sure I wouldn’t have done the same in his shoes.

But when he had the opportunity, he went for Truth and Reconciliation rather than the Mugabe route.

rbj on December 5, 2013 at 8:16 PM

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I don’t believe Nelson was a communist. But his early efforts in political activism got a lot of support from real communists, because they were trying to destabilize the S. African govt.

It will take a while for the ‘whole truth’ to come out, but I don’t believe Nelson Mandela was as “evil” as we have been made to think.

Winnie Mandela, on the other hand . . . . . . . .

listens2glenn on December 5, 2013 at 8:35 PM

I never understood the big deal about Mandela…

OmahaConservative on December 5, 2013 at 8:35 PM

But when he had the opportunity, he went for Truth and Reconciliation rather than the Mugabe route.

rbj on December 5, 2013 at 8:16 PM

Your comment and bluegill’s get at what I was trying to communicate without being a giant jerk— combining the undeniably amazing work he did creating a functioning country of the two sides who hated each other by not being a totally embittered man with the fact that he was different than the solely sanctified image of him. But when he gained great power, he was largely restrained when he could have been truly horrible, and many wouldn’t have blamed him. That’s a wise leader and one who made South Africa a better place. If other leaders on the continent aspired to the example he set while in power, many people would be much better off. When you’ve got busting apartheid and reuniting a country in its aftermath on your resume, it requires admiration.

Mary Katharine Ham on December 5, 2013 at 8:35 PM

They also married equally beautiful women.

Bishop on December 5, 2013 at 8:31 PM

..heh! I see what you did there, Bish. One of ‘em was a hippo though, right?

The War Planner on December 5, 2013 at 8:35 PM

It amazes me how many conservatives don’t realize Nelson Mandela was a Marxist. This gushing article is a bit much. If Mary Katharine were to tell the truth about Mandela her article wouldn’t be quite so glowing.

Lizzy on December 5, 2013 at 8:36 PM

Heh. Those two have very little in common.
CWchangedhisNicagain on December 5, 2013 at 8:26 PM

They both won the Nobel Peace prize!

happytobehere on December 5, 2013 at 8:37 PM

OBAMA IS MANDELA!!!

New media narrative…….in……5….4….3….

PappyD61 on December 5, 2013 at 8:22 PM

..if POTUS Stool Sample had a son, he’d look just like Mandela.

The War Planner on December 5, 2013 at 8:38 PM

Your comment and bluegill’s get at what I was trying to communicate without being a giant jerk— combining the undeniably amazing work he did creating a functioning country of the two sides who hated each other by not being a totally embittered man with the fact that he was different than the solely sanctified image of him. But when he gained great power, he was largely restrained when he could have been truly horrible, and many wouldn’t have blamed him. That’s a wise leader and one who made South Africa a better place. If other leaders on the continent aspired to the example he set while in power, many people would be much better off. When you’ve got busting apartheid and reuniting a country in its aftermath on your resume, it requires admiration.

Mary Katharine Ham o

Sorry MKH. The true believers hate him because he was a “communist” apparently. I’d like to see what 27 years in jail would do to their “values.”

lostmotherland on December 5, 2013 at 8:38 PM

the saintly figure

Pass the barf bag, please.

whatcat on December 5, 2013 at 8:38 PM

It amazes me how many conservatives don’t realize Nelson Mandela was a Marxist. This gushing article is a bit much. If Mary Katharine were to tell the truth about Mandela her article wouldn’t be quite so glowing.

Lizzy on December 5, 2013 at 8:36 PM

I’m amazed that MKH is so poorly informed about Mandela.

Pork-Chop on December 5, 2013 at 8:38 PM

They both won the Nobel Peace prize!

happytobehere on December 5, 2013 at 8:37 PM

Yeh….I alluded to that earlier. Obama’s cheapens Mandela’s.

CWchangedhisNicagain on December 5, 2013 at 8:40 PM

Sorry

lostmotherland on December 5, 2013 at 8:38 PM

Why yes you are troll.

CWchangedhisNicagain on December 5, 2013 at 8:41 PM

bluegill on December 5, 2013 at 8:10 PM

I agree.

For pity’s sake don’t compare him to the Founders!

INC on December 5, 2013 at 8:43 PM

Mary Katharine Ham on December 5, 2013 at 8:35 PM

If he were such a success at unifying a country then I’d imagine you would hear more about that success in the media, but shortly after the end of apartheid the media blacked out SA, and that’s usually not a good sign. I wonder if it has anything to do with the murder and rape of white farmers. However it is Africa so I guess he gets points for not immediately going on a bloody rampage and appointing himself President forever.

DFCtomm on December 5, 2013 at 8:43 PM

A great hearted man in a terrible time. During the period of decolonization and the Cold War there were often NO good choices to be made.

It’s a miracle that SA is not Zimbabwe is not Angola is not Tanzania is not any of any dozens of other countries. That is largely due to him. It may still go down, but he gave his country a fighting chance.

kcewa on December 5, 2013 at 8:44 PM

WH Marks Mandela’s Death with Pic of Obama in Mandela’s Cell

Just like he remembered Rosa Parks by a pic of himself sitting on the bus.

INC on December 5, 2013 at 8:44 PM

Sorry, MKH. Aside from apartheid, it’s not apparent to me South Africa’s a better place. It’s now the murder and rape capital of the world. Whites have been SLAUGHTERED by the tens of thousands because of the color of their skin. COULD Mandela have been worse? Sure, but that’s a low bar and South Africa deserves much better, IMHO.

fudgypup on December 5, 2013 at 8:44 PM

By Reuters
ERMELO, South Africa — In a country cursed by one of the world’s highest murder rates, being a white farmer makes a violent death an even higher risk.

Whether attacks have been motivated by race or robbery, a rising death rate from rural homicides is drawing attention to the lack of change on South Africa’s farms nearly two decades after the end of apartheid — and to the tensions burgeoning over enduring racial inequality.
Some of South Africa’s predominantly white commercial farmers go as far as to brand the farm killings a genocide.

I’d like to see what 27 years in jail would do to their “values.”

lostmotherland on December 5, 2013 at 8:38 PM

I wonder what murder will do to these farmers’ family’s value? FO freak.

CWchangedhisNicagain on December 5, 2013 at 8:47 PM

He didn’t break bad with a machete war.. I guess that garners admiration.

Oddly enough,, I agree with bluegill to some degree. Been happening with greater frequency.

Kinda scares me.

wolly4321 on December 5, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Sorry MKH. The true believers hate him because he was a “communist” apparently. I’d like to see what 27 years in jail would do to their “values.”

lostmotherland on December 5, 2013 at 8:38 PM

Swine racist of HA, one of two, you have zero credibility on anything. You never produced more than racist or other stupid comments, and ran.

Here’s a good example

Go find a ditch to die in.
lostmotherland on December 21, 2012 at 6:49 PM

Why are you still here?

Schadenfreude on December 5, 2013 at 8:50 PM

You can blow out a candle
But you can’t blow out a fire
Once the flames begin to catch
The wind will blow it higher

Christien on December 5, 2013 at 8:50 PM

Dontcha love how the left has to remind everyone that Jefferson owned slaves whenever someone brings up how influential he was in bringing to the world a radical and wonderful new form of government. Compare it to the worship of this guy. It’s as if the history of South Africa is only about the time Mandela spent in prison and the couple years de Klerk and Mandela worked to bring an end to apartheid. Everything else that was said and done before and after is whitewashed from history. Nope can’t talk about his terrorist ties or the absolute sh*thole the country has turned into over the last twenty years. No one needs to know that I guess.

lowandslow on December 5, 2013 at 8:51 PM

Yes, he was a communist (and lied about it) and also had terrorist ties.

So, while I think it’s important to honor someone for their good work, we should also be careful about deifying someone.

I’m not pointing this out to be mean-spirited, but rather to say that we shouldn’t overly romanticize this man.

bluegill on December 5, 2013 at 8:10 PM

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Partly repeating what I said at 8:35 PM: I don’t believe he was a communist but rather lied to the communists about it to get their help.

Besides that point, I’m with you.

listens2glenn on December 5, 2013 at 8:52 PM

cmon cons the only reason you hate him is because like Reagan you guys supported Apartheid!! admit it!

DBear on December 5, 2013 at 8:53 PM

I’d like to see what 27 years in jail would do to their “values.”

lostmotherland on December 5, 2013 at 8:38 PM

…’cause you so risked a penny or an hour of your life for anyone else, or your country…or spent so many years in captivity or in tyranny…

Racist pig of HA is all you are. If you had any shame, you’d never show again.

Schadenfreude on December 5, 2013 at 8:53 PM

The other racist pig of HA showed.

Only liblikeaslave is missing now.

Schadenfreude on December 5, 2013 at 8:54 PM

Oddly enough,, I agree with bluegill to some degree. Been happening with greater frequency.

Kinda scares me.

wolly4321 on December 5, 2013 at 8:48 PM

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Me too (shudder).

listens2glenn on December 5, 2013 at 8:54 PM

If South Africa is Mandela’s epitaph, he should be pilloried from post to post.

OldEnglish on December 5, 2013 at 8:54 PM

DBear on December 5, 2013 at 8:53 PM

I ain’t gonna play, Sun City.

Christien on December 5, 2013 at 8:54 PM

RIP?

“good riddance”

The Real Mandela

http://americanfreepress.net/?p=11873

Pork-Chop on December 5, 2013 at 8:54 PM

cmon cons the only reason you hate him is because like Reagan you guys supported Apartheid!! admit it!

DBear on December 5, 2013 at 8:53 PM

WRONG! I hate him because of his skin color and his last name which is simply too ethnic for my tastes.

Bishop on December 5, 2013 at 8:58 PM

cmon cons the only reason you hate him is because like Reagan you guys supported Apartheid!! admit it!

DBear on December 5, 2013 at 8:53 PM

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“Us guys” supported capitalism, and still do.

Ronald Reagan put anti-communism ahead of the anti-apartheid movement.

Both anti-apartheid and anti-communism won out in the end.

ADMIT IT.

listens2glenn on December 5, 2013 at 8:59 PM

cmon cons the only reason you hate him is because like Reagan you guys supported Apartheid!! admit it!

DBear on December 5, 2013 at 8:53 PM

We go from blacks being murdered and oppressed by whites, to whites being murdered and oppressed by blacks. It’s a distinction without a difference.

DFCtomm on December 5, 2013 at 8:59 PM

I especially liked the ANC’s practice of the fine art of “necklacing.” Gee, I wonder why none of the tributes to Mandela mentioned that?

Colony14 on December 5, 2013 at 9:01 PM

DFCtomm on December 5, 2013 at 8:43 PM
fudgypup on December 5, 2013 at 8:44 PM

True, and it’s sad to see so many otherwise Conservative, God-fearing, patriotic Americans buying into these Communist manufactured sob stories and phony hero worshiping. Well, they did it during WW II when they were convinced that Uncle Joe and Chairman Mao were pro-Democracy guys because they were fighting against Hitler and Tojo, too, so I guess there is a precedent for this form of gullibility.

I have no delusions about the Boer-led government. They were yet another fascist, thug, criminal enterprise running a country. The crony capitalism involving De Beers/Ayers, Inc. alone is astonishing. I can understand why Apartheid existed…the government had to keep the various tribes and political organizations from butchering each other, as well as to control the various Communist terrorist groups and terrorists like the Mandelas.

A country where most people can’t be armed and the government knows and controls where you go and what you do? Sounds like a Liberal’s dream to me. The only reason they don’t like this is because it was a white government. We hear no complaints from the left concerning Robert Mugabe and other black thugs through the years in Africa. As odious as Apartheid was, what these people in many parts of Africa have been doing to each other, and to whites was and is far worse.

Mandela had the good sense to market himself as a kind old soul, and not to drive out all of the people who knew how to run the country’s infrastructure, and controlled the vast majority of the wealth there.

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 5, 2013 at 9:02 PM

mon cons the only reason you hate him is because like Reagan you guys supported Apartheid!! admit it! DBear on December 5, 2013 at 8:53 PM

You are so clever. You got us pegged.

BTW,, what race am I? Take a stab at it.

wolly4321 on December 5, 2013 at 9:03 PM

Just remember – this is not about American politics. It’s not about whether he was a Marxist or not (he said he was) – whatever that even means in the context of South Africa.

It’s about a man who spent 27 years in prison and came out to lead his nation without hate, without recrimination to reconciliation.

God help SA with him gone.

kcewa on December 5, 2013 at 9:04 PM

I’m amazed that MKH is so poorly informed about Mandela.
Pork-Chop on December 5, 2013 at 8:38 PM

I think a clue may lie in this:

Greater awareness and hormones intervened, turning middle school into a place of racial tension where old friendships were taboo and anger reigned.

Southern white guilt tripping may be a factor. I went to school in predominantly black areas, never had any problem and brought friends who were black to our house. That was in the North in an era when some cities were burning.

whatcat on December 5, 2013 at 9:05 PM

mon cons the only reason you hate him is because like Reagan you guys supported Apartheid!! admit it!

DBear on December 5, 2013 at 8:53 PM

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You are so clever. You got us pegged.

BTW,, what race am I? Take a stab at it.

wolly4321 on December 5, 2013 at 9:03 PM

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I think you’re “human”, but that’s just me.

I don’t speak for DBear.

listens2glenn on December 5, 2013 at 9:07 PM

I especially liked the ANC’s practice of the fine art of “necklacing.” Gee, I wonder why none of the tributes to Mandela mentioned that?
Colony14 on December 5, 2013 at 9:01 PM

Or that he advocated cutting off the noses of blacks viewed as traitors or white collaborators.

whatcat on December 5, 2013 at 9:08 PM

BTW,, what race am I? Take a stab at it.

wolly4321 on December 5, 2013 at 9:03 PM

“No preference”?

kcewa on December 5, 2013 at 9:09 PM

Newt Gingrich Statement on Passing of President Nelson Mandela
Newt Gingrich Statement on Passing of President Nelson Mandela

Gingrich Productions
December 5, 2013
Newt Gingrich

President Nelson Mandela was one of the greatest leaders of our lifetime.

He emerged from 27 long years in prison with a wisdom, a compassion, and a commitment to helping other people that was astonishing. His life was a triumph of the human spirit.

When he visited the Congress I was deeply impressed with the charisma and the calmness with which he could dominate a room. It was as if the rest of us grew smaller and he grew stronger and more dominant the longer the meeting continued.

His thoughtful, disciplined, but friendly and warm personality made him a leader who could define the right policies and the right behaviors.

Nelson Mandela was truly the father of an integrated, democratic South Africa.

He will be an inspiration for generations to come and an historic leader worth studying for as long as people want to learn about greatness in serving others.

Callista and I extend our condolences and our prayers to the Mandela family and to the people of South Africa.
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truecon on December 5, 2013 at 9:13 PM

Partly repeating what I said at 8:35 PM: I don’t believe he was a communist but rather lied to the communists about it to get their help.

Besides that point, I’m with you.

listens2glenn on December 5, 2013 at 8:52 PM

He was a communist:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Economic_Empowerment

He was Mugabe but with better PR. He understood how to play the Western media with feel-good talk about “peace”, “love”, and “reconciliation”. It was pretty clever.

Sure, Mandela didn’t round up the opposition — he didn’t have to. Mandela merely crushed them economically under grinding discrimination and redistribution which drove them to look for greener pastures. That and the crime rates finished the job.

Mission accomplished.

What’s hilarious — and a true testament to the Left’s power — is how many “conservative” Useful Idiots come rushing to his defense because it’s fashionable. Just look at how the token opposition that is the “conservative movement” rolls over!

Punchenko on December 5, 2013 at 9:14 PM

In fairness to the ANC, they aren’t completely devoted to ignoring or even endorsing the rape and murder of whites, they’ll murder blacks if they think it’s in their best interest.

lowandslow on December 5, 2013 at 9:14 PM

I especially liked the ANC’s practice of the fine art of “necklacing.” Gee, I wonder why none of the tributes to Mandela mentioned that?
Colony14 on December 5, 2013 at 9:01 PM

Or that he advocated cutting off the noses of blacks viewed as traitors or white collaborators.

whatcat on December 5, 2013 at 9:08 PM

Then there’s the practicing of impaling that seems to have been a favorite of the Zulus back in the day. Of course, that also happened in Europe and elsewhere. It’s not a “black” thing or a “white” thing. It’s about man’s inhumanity to man. If one despises the Boers for their racism, fine, but be sure to condemn those non-whites who harbor the same hatred and intolerance as well-they don’t deserve a pass (no pun intended) just because they’re not white.

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 5, 2013 at 9:14 PM

Newt Gingrich Statement on Passing of President Nelson Mandela
Newt Gingrich Statement on Passing of President Nelson Mandela

Gingrich Productions
December 5, 2013
Newt Gingrich

President Nelson Mandela was one of the greatest leaders of our lifetime.

He emerged from 27 long years in prison with a wisdom, a compassion, and a commitment to helping other people that was astonishing. His life was a triumph of the human spirit.

When he visited the Congress I was deeply impressed with the charisma and the calmness with which he could dominate a room. It was as if the rest of us grew smaller and he grew stronger and more dominant the longer the meeting continued.

His thoughtful, disciplined, but friendly and warm personality made him a leader who could define the right policies and the right behaviors.

Nelson Mandela was truly the father of an integrated, democratic South Africa.

He will be an inspiration for generations to come and an historic leader worth studying for as long as people want to learn about greatness in serving others.

Callista and I extend our condolences and our prayers to the Mandela family and to the people of South Africa.
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truecon on December 5, 2013 at 9:13 PM

The Left rules the world. There really is no fighting it. They always win. Always.

Punchenko on December 5, 2013 at 9:17 PM

DBear on December 5, 2013 at 8:53 PM

How is O-No-Care working out for you.

22044 on December 5, 2013 at 9:17 PM

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