Report: 29,000 sign-ups on Healthcare.gov in first two days of December

posted at 12:51 pm on December 4, 2013 by Allahpundit

A big improvement over October, when there were fewer than 27,000 in the entire month. But are these actual enrollments or the wink-wink “enrollments” that HHS has been using to bloat its numbers?

Inquiring insurance-industry minds would like to know.

The site has held up under pressure from about 1 million visitors for two days straight, giving some early tailwinds to the Obama administration’s effort to reboot the conversation on its website and Obamacare as a whole…

Despite the apparent turnaround of the consumer experience on the federal website, enrolling on HealthCare.gov is not the same as people actually being covered by insurance policies. For the latter to happen, HealthCare.gov must tell insurers who has signed up, and the consumers must pay their first premium

“The back-end issues remain not resolved, and consumers’ coverage will be disrupted,” Mark Pratt, a senior vice president with America’s Health Insurance Plans, told the National Conference of State Legislatures meeting.

You can parse those numbers different ways depending upon whether your agenda is glass half-empty or half-full. Half-full: The daily sign-up rate in December so far is more than four times what it was in November. If they stay on track with roughly 15,000 new quasi-enrollees each day, they’ll tally nearly 350,000 before the 12/23 deadline. That ought to slow Democratic heartbeats on the Hill, at least over the holidays. Even better for ObamaCare fans, the sign-up rate might increase further before Christmas. Remember, the number of people who used to have insurance and have been canceled this year due to the O-Care rollout numbers in the millions. The closer we get to December 23rd, the more panicked they’ll be that they won’t have coverage on January 1st. There’s bound to be a last-minute spike. Bill Clinton reassured Democrats yesterday that “if the computer problems are all fixed, and it’s up and running by — and healthy in the next several weeks, I think that the damage will be minimal.” That’s … not remotely true, but robust enrollment data this month will keep people in the party believing it for awhile.

Half-empty: Even if there’s a last-minute spike, some significant portion of those people won’t sign up in time, whether for reasons of procrastination, absent-mindedness, or hair-tearing difficulty with the farking website. There’ll be illnesses and accidents among that population in early January and no one to help cover the cost. As for the enrollment (or “enrollment”) rate, 350,000 a month would be a major upgrade over October but it’s still far short of HHS’s pre-launch target for the website’s first three months. They wanted 3.3 million signed up by December 31st between the federal and various state exchanges. As of December 1st, Healthcare.gov had generated 125,000 or so sign-ups and the states had added roughly 80,000 in October with November’s data still to come. Assume that 250,000 people enrolled on the state exchanges last month, and that this month both Healthcare.gov and the state websites will combine for another one million sign-ups (a high bar given their track records). That would leave HHS at … 44 percent of its target on December 31st, even after the big December crunch. And all of this assumes, of course, that each sign-up is decipherable, non-duplicative, and paid up before the deadline even though we know for a fact, per the testimony of insurance execs, that that won’t be the case. Even the website traffic data that HHS is touting is underwhelming upon reflection. A million visitors a day is nice, but (a) there won’t be a big splashy re-launch and accompanying presidential speech every day in December to hold the public’s interest, and (b) those one million visits produced only 15,000 or so enrollments, a success rate of just 1.5 percent. What should we conclude from the fact that more than 98 percent of people who surf over to Healthcare.gov surf away without having signed up?

I’ll leave you with this from New Yorker writer Margaret Talbot, who was grumpy about her expensive new ObamaCare “comprehensive” plan until she remembered her “values”:

To be clear: I’m not happy to be paying more in the short term, and it may be a struggle at times. I wish other self-employed people didn’t have to shoulder so much of the burden. I wish we had a single-payer system, but that seems wildly unrealistic. And the new health-care law exists for the common good, not just the individual consumer. Vaccination provides more effective protection—so-called herd immunity—when more of us are vaccinated. Universal health insurance works in something like the same way: we are better off as a society—more compassionate, but also healthier—when we can all get the care we need.

So yes, I’ll subsidize someone else’s prenatal coverage, in a more effective way than I’ve been doing by default under the current system, in which too many pregnant women show up in emergency rooms without having had such care, creating problems for themselves and their babies, and all sorts of costs for taxpayers. And I’ll remember to be relieved that my own access to health care is guaranteed. But they had better work out the problems with the A.C.A.; if they don’t, and it doesn’t fulfill its promise of insuring the uninsured, I’m really going to feel like a chump.


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The law is still a mess…….

NCPatriot75 on December 4, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Will the AP and Rueters continue to use the term “enrollments”…

d1carter on December 4, 2013 at 12:57 PM

if they don’t, and it doesn’t fulfill its promise of insuring the uninsured, I’m really going to feel like a chump.

Get used to feeling like a chump.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on December 4, 2013 at 12:57 PM

So one semi-rural county out of a nation of 314,000,000 got on the website?

rogerb on December 4, 2013 at 12:58 PM

Chump = State Run Media Obama Cheerleader

d1carter on December 4, 2013 at 12:58 PM

I wish other self-employed people didn’t have to shoulder so much of the burden.

Me too….

Mydamndogs on December 4, 2013 at 12:59 PM

But they had better work out the problems with the A.C.A.; if they don’t, and it doesn’t fulfill its promise of insuring the uninsured, I’m really going to feel like a chump.

Hello, chump.

Chris of Rights on December 4, 2013 at 1:00 PM

And I’ll remember to be relieved that my own access to health care is guaranteed.

Ms Talbot, you only have access to health insurance guaranteed. Health care is an entirely different matter.

cacpa on December 4, 2013 at 1:00 PM

Is the glass half enmpty or half full?

That depends on whether water was just poured into it or out of it.

As far as health insurance in this country is concerned, 0b00baCare is a net drain on its prospects, therefore, the health insurance glass in American is half empty.

Actually, more like half empty and there’s a hole in the bottom of the glass.

Akzed on December 4, 2013 at 1:00 PM

Silly bimbo…Damn communistic Progressive…

Calling it like it is :)

Scrumpy on December 4, 2013 at 1:00 PM

King Obama is now quoting the pope.

Thanks benedict.

stenwin77 on December 4, 2013 at 1:02 PM

Won’t it be funny in January when they have a new category of “enrolled but not paid”?

oldroy on December 4, 2013 at 1:02 PM

[....] Health care is an entirely different matter.

cacpa on December 4, 2013 at 1:00 PM

Exactly!!

Scrumpy on December 4, 2013 at 1:02 PM

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Wait till a few months in…the rose-colored glass folks (aka Margaret Talbot & Company) will realize what saps they are being and will stop paying their monthly premiums.

Deafdog on December 4, 2013 at 1:03 PM

We sure don’t want this idiot to feel like a chump.

GaltBlvnAtty on December 4, 2013 at 1:03 PM

Deafdog on December 4, 2013 at 1:03 PM

One can but pray and hope it is so…

Scrumpy on December 4, 2013 at 1:04 PM

I wish other self-employed people didn’t have to shoulder so much of the burden.

Sharing the wealth, sister, you voted for it.

Bishop on December 4, 2013 at 1:04 PM

There were vehicles to get vaccinated BEFRORE OBAMACARE! You could ALWAYS get your kid vaccinated at the HEALTH DEPT for virtually NOTHING. Also – there is also this thing called MEDICADE and lots of pregnant women got care that way. Why do these people get away with acting like these things did not exist????

djl130 on December 4, 2013 at 1:04 PM

29,000 sign ups, and 29,000 people who are now at a security risk…

right2bright on December 4, 2013 at 1:05 PM

For the latter to happen, HealthCare.gov must tell insurers who has signed up, and the consumers must pay their first premium…

“The back-end issues remain not resolved, and consumers’ coverage will be disrupted,”

So if you’ve signed up, but haven’t paid, do you really have health insurance?

rbj on December 4, 2013 at 1:06 PM

But they had better work out the problems with the A.C.A.; if they don’t, and it doesn’t fulfill its promise of insuring the uninsured, I’m really going to feel like a chump.

Scumhag, there will be way more millions without care, and dead due to obama and obama’care’, like never before.

Wake up dummy. It’s obama’s chit, not Beluga caviar.

Schadenfreude on December 4, 2013 at 1:06 PM

I’m sure they’ll pay their first premium not even knowing what subsidies they qualify for.

kcewa on December 4, 2013 at 1:08 PM

We sure don’t want this idiot to feel like a chump.

GaltBlvnAtty on December 4, 2013 at 1:03 PM

Idiot, dufus, moron, sap, sucker, dork, …but, yeah, chump is over the top.

msupertas on December 4, 2013 at 1:09 PM

The glass is half full.

Of gasoline.

I SHALL NOT COMPLY.

LegendHasIt on December 4, 2013 at 1:11 PM

If I buy something at Amazon and I don’t like it, I can return it, no questions asked. I wonder if all these people who buy something from healthcare.gov will be extended the same courtesy when they don’t like the product they receive?

NOMOBO on December 4, 2013 at 1:12 PM

and it doesn’t fulfill its promise of insuring the uninsured, I’m really going to feel like a chump.

This guy is so stupid. Does he realize that 7-10 million people will still not have insurance with the ACA?

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el hombre on December 4, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Allah, This from Ed’s post earlier today:

Health plans will estimate how much they are owed, and submit that estimate to the government. Once the system is built, the government and insurers can reconcile the payments made with the plan data to “true up” payments, he said.

“The intent is to make sure plans get paid on time, which is a good thing,” Durham told Reuters.

How are the consumers going to be “trued up” when they find out that they were paying too much or too little? And if they chose to take their “subsidy” as a tax credit how is that going to work?

kcewa on December 4, 2013 at 1:16 PM

The club posters are giddy about this

Really going to believe a wh source?

cmsinaz on December 4, 2013 at 1:18 PM

1. Snowden

2. Syria

3. obama’care’

Idiobama in front of your very eyes.

That toothpaste ain’t goin’ back.

Schadenfreude on December 4, 2013 at 1:19 PM

So, the website could handle 50,000 people at one time and up to 800,000 throughout the day and they only get 29,000 to wink, wink, “enroll”? Woof! and to think that if those are truly “paying” people that almost 10,000 really don’t have insurance because their 834′s are nothing but gibberish!

fbcmusicman on December 4, 2013 at 1:19 PM

What’s the age bracket of these signups?

docflash on December 4, 2013 at 1:19 PM

I’ll leave you with this from New Yorker writer Margaret Talbot, who was grumpy about her expensive new ObamaCare “comprehensive” plan until she remembered her “values”

Talbot’s excerpt with her absurd spin reads like an “Onion” piece. She’s paying more, the system’s not working … but she supports it. The epitome of toeing the party line in the face of massive amounts of contradictory evidence.

Paul-Cincy on December 4, 2013 at 1:19 PM

If I buy something at Amazon and I don’t like it, I can return it, no questions asked. I wonder if all these people who buy something from healthcare.gov will be extended the same courtesy when they don’t like the product they receive?

NOMOBO on December 4, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Not at the moment. The website says you have to change your application to remove yourself from the policy you’ve chosen. When you click the button to do that you get this message:

The ability to report a life change is coming soon. Check back next month to report your change.”

kcewa on December 4, 2013 at 1:20 PM

If your a Democrat you have to feel better now, Slick Willie is all in. Ha,ha times a thousand. Quit, my stomach is hurting.

DDay on December 4, 2013 at 1:21 PM

Lib posters

Geez

cmsinaz on December 4, 2013 at 1:21 PM

Also, when did public policy become a substitute for personal values, for religion? Whenever that was, I want to go to the time before that happened. Social justice, bullcrap.

Paul-Cincy on December 4, 2013 at 1:21 PM

Margaret Talbot just took a big old bite of Obowma’s sh%t sandwich and had to swallow…

… Tasty, isn’t it?

Seven Percent Solution on December 4, 2013 at 1:22 PM

What’s the age bracket of these signups?

docflash on December 4, 2013 at 1:19 PM

…and the states. And were they moved over to Medicaid? You’d think they would have some specifics…

oldroy on December 4, 2013 at 1:22 PM

Deafdog on December 4, 2013 at 1:03 PM

One can but pray and hope it is so…

Scrumpy on December 4, 2013 at 1:04 PM

Wait ’til April 15th when that tax refund they were expecting to help catch up on the bills is garnisheed for non-payment of obamacare premiums

davidk on December 4, 2013 at 1:23 PM

WIRED jut crushed the Obamacare website:

Obamacare Website Is in Great Shape — If This Were 1996
http://www.wired.com/business/2013/12/obamacare-is-ecommerce/

MikeknaJ on December 4, 2013 at 1:23 PM

Talbot’s excerpt with her absurd spin reads like an “Onion” piece. She’s paying more, the system’s not working … but she supports it. The epitome of toeing the party line in the face of massive amounts of contradictory evidence.

Paul-Cincy on December 4, 2013 at 1:19 PM

Many of the political prisoners in the Gulag never lost their faith in Stalin. The only identity that had was “good party member” and giving that up by admitting the truth about the regime was worse than dying – same thing here.

kcewa on December 4, 2013 at 1:24 PM

What’s the age bracket of these signups?

docflash on December 4, 2013 at 1:19 PM

…and the states. And were they moved over to Medicaid? You’d think they would have some specifics…

oldroy on December 4, 2013 at 1:22 PM

Good questions.

And I question the number. It’s not like they been real honest throughout this travesty.

davidk on December 4, 2013 at 1:25 PM

enrolling on HealthCare.gov is not the same as people actually being covered by insurance policies.

I think this is like being in the grocery store, filling up your cart and then finding out you are not allowed to get in the check out line. Is that about right? And that half gallon of ice cream I have in my cart is starting to melt.

DaveDief on December 4, 2013 at 1:28 PM

Only 10% of these “sign-ups” are going to actually purchase insurance. Count on it. The Dems Christmas present will be just how dreadfully few actually purchased insurance before December 23rd. And that awful number can’t be hidden forever.

NotCoach on December 4, 2013 at 1:28 PM

The law is forcing people to sign up. Why would anyone see it as a positive thing with millions of sign ups? They are by law suppose to sign up. Sheesh

Who gives a damn how many signed up. What matters those that did obey the law, how will they react after their first or second payment. The dem’s are hanging their hats on millions of sign ups. That could easily be millions of sign ups that wake up and realize they will never vote for a Democrat again.

Conservative4Ever on December 4, 2013 at 1:29 PM

I’ll leave you with this from New Yorker writer Margaret Talbot, who was grumpy about her expensive new ObamaCare “comprehensive” plan until she remembered her “values”:

Wow! Even in print you can hear Talbot reading from cue cards. Put another way, normal human beings don’t talk like Margaret Talbot.

And by the way Maggie, you’ve already proven yourself a chump by lying for these people. You really think that’s going to help you when the government comes out after you the next time?

Happy Nomad on December 4, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Only 10% of these “sign-ups” are going to actually purchase insurance. Count on it. The Dems Christmas present will be just how dreadfully few actually purchased insurance before December 23rd. And that awful number can’t be hidden forever.

NotCoach on December 4, 2013 at 1:28 PM

Yes. They will celebrate ’till Christmas. Media will do it’s best to black out info before the New Year. Then the terrible awful truth hits with no way to hide. Also with no way to hide the media’s total complicity.

And it only gets ten times worse by next September.

oldroy on December 4, 2013 at 1:33 PM

Wait ’til April 15th when that tax refund they were expecting to help catch up on the bills is garnisheed for non-payment of obamacare premiums

davidk on December 4, 2013 at 1:23 PM

You think that part of the system will be working? Where have you been the last two months!

Deafdog on December 4, 2013 at 1:34 PM

People don’t actually have insurance until they have paid the premium for it, which is STILL NOT SET UP FOR THEM TO DO THAT!

ConservativePartyNow on December 4, 2013 at 1:35 PM

Get used to feeling like a chump.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on December 4, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Taking one for the team.

Ward Cleaver on December 4, 2013 at 1:35 PM

It’s not like they been real honest throughout this travesty.

davidk on December 4, 2013 at 1:25 PM

I don’t know why you say that. /

In fact, what they haven’t been lying about scares me the most- the security. They will not say one thing about that, not even in closed Congressional hearings.

I’d bet you that even now, somebody in China is going on line and emptying out Margaret Talbot’s bank account. But, I guess she won’t mind what with being all about the good of the collective. She won’t mind if somebody else uses her money.

Happy Nomad on December 4, 2013 at 1:36 PM

Wait ’til April 15th when that tax refund they were expecting to help catch up on the bills is garnisheed for non-payment of obamacare premiums

davidk on December 4, 2013 at 1:23 PM

You think that part of the system will be working? Where have you been the last two months!

Deafdog on December 4, 2013 at 1:34 PM

Heh.

Oh, wait. You weren’t kidding?

davidk on December 4, 2013 at 1:37 PM

Yes. They will celebrate ’till Christmas. Media will do it’s best to black out info before the New Year. Then the terrible awful truth hits with no way to hide. Also with no way to hide the media’s total complicity.

And it only gets ten times worse by next September.

oldroy on December 4, 2013 at 1:33 PM

They think that they’ll be in the clear if they get past the next few months.

Happy Nomad on December 4, 2013 at 1:37 PM

So they were able to get the numbers two days into the month? Was adding that capability part of the big fix of the past month?

KGB on December 4, 2013 at 1:41 PM

People don’t actually have insurance until they have paid the premium for it, which is STILL NOT SET UP FOR THEM TO DO THAT!

ConservativePartyNow on December 4, 2013 at 1:35 PM

Just a minor detail. I think this morning Allah’s post about the back end system will be coming along to “true-up” the subsidies kind of implies that the “consumer-pay-at-healthcare.gov” is up and running. However, I don’t think we’ve been treated to a single person that claims that they have paid their premium, or whether the premium payment system even exists.

One would suspect that healthcare.gov will simply “hand-off” “enrollments” to the insurer and then blame payment issues on the insurer and the consumer.

But without simple details like this being made public, who really knows how this works.

oldroy on December 4, 2013 at 1:41 PM

But they had better work out the problems with the A.C.A.; if they don’t, and it doesn’t fulfill its promise of insuring the uninsured, I’m really going to feel like a chump.

They won’t. Chump. It was designed that way.

“Even if the law were fully implemented, there would have been 26 million uninsured people,” co-author Steffie Woolhandler said in an interview Thursday. “This isn’t just about the Medicaid expansion. This is the system as originally designed.”

Suck on it!

Patriot Vet on December 4, 2013 at 1:41 PM

Wait ’til April 15th when that tax refund they were expecting to help catch up on the bills is garnisheed for non-payment of obamacare premiums

davidk on December 4, 2013 at 1:23 PM

They won’t notice until they file taxes in 2015. I hate to correct you, but this is a common misconception that needs to be corrected. The mandate starts next year. When you file your taxes next year you’re filing for 2013, not 2014.

NotCoach on December 4, 2013 at 1:42 PM

You think that part of the system will be working? Where have you been the last two months!

Deafdog on December 4, 2013 at 1:34 PM

Where have you been your entire life. The IRS hired 16,000 new agents just for this. When have you ever heard that the IRS doesn’t get “their” tax money?

Conservative4Ever on December 4, 2013 at 1:42 PM

They think that they’ll be in the clear if they get past the next few months.

Happy Nomad on December 4, 2013 at 1:37 PM

September 30th they though Ted Cruz was a boob.

oldroy on December 4, 2013 at 1:42 PM

Old and busted; Jobs saved or created.

New Hotness: Enrollments or enrollees.

Even if this is true, which I doubt, there will be 7 million less uninsured people by January 1.

jukin3 on December 4, 2013 at 1:44 PM

It’s worse than we think. There are two frightening sentences in Ms. Chump’s lamentation:

I wish other self-employed people didn’t have to shoulder so much of the burden. I wish we had a single-payer system, but that seems wildly unrealistic.

Her ANSWER to the problem is single payer insurance. Also known as The Government’s My Daddy insurance.

That’s the end game and has been from the beginning.

IndieDogg on December 4, 2013 at 1:45 PM

I just enrolled at Jenny Craig, I have now deemed myself physically fit.

hillsoftx on December 4, 2013 at 1:45 PM

Wait ’til April 15th when that tax refund they were expecting to help catch up on the bills is garnisheed for non-payment of obamacare premiums

davidk on December 4, 2013 at 1:23 PM

Or applied to their penalty/tax/JohnRoberts-ism. Some twenty-something in college who worked a little will file to get his $200 withheld back, and only get back $105, because of the $95 penalty. Or maybe there’s some minimum income, otherwise you don’t pay the penalty? So many people getting subsidies, so where is the money coming from.

It’s like Jindal said about the country — too many in the cart, and too few pulling the cart.

Paul-Cincy on December 4, 2013 at 1:46 PM

WIRED jut crushed the Obamacare website:

Obamacare Website Is in Great Shape — If This Were 1996
http://www.wired.com/business/2013/12/obamacare-is-ecommerce/

MikeknaJ on December 4, 2013 at 1:23 PM

As to security, those in web-development 17 years ago probably were not as aware of security as they are now! Another area Obamacare has woefully and miserably failed!

fbcmusicman on December 4, 2013 at 1:47 PM

So yes, I’ll subsidize someone else’s prenatal coverage

if they can’t afford to have a child, how are they gonna afford to raise it Ms Talbot? Deep thinker you are.

hillsoftx on December 4, 2013 at 1:48 PM

Many of the political prisoners in the Gulag never lost their faith in Stalin. The only identity that had was “good party member” and giving that up by admitting the truth about the regime was worse than dying – same thing here.

kcewa on December 4, 2013 at 1:24 PM

It’s like Obama and ObamaCare. He will never, never, never give it up. Mostly because he’d consider it a personal humiliation, which he will at all costs avoid. In his speech on race, he threw his white grandmother under the bus, for goodness sake, to illustrate some minor point about how he suffers by being black in America. Obama will never admit he’s wrong, even if we all have to suffer for it. It’s tied into his identity … it even has his name on it. Has he ever badmouthed the law? I don’t think he has. The implementation maybe, but not the law itself.

Paul-Cincy on December 4, 2013 at 1:52 PM

A big improvement over October,

.
according to POLITICO – which has been on an all out, Obama administration-issued Talking Points campaign since Monday … but why bother to put in details which could disrupt your Eeyorism, right AP?

they’ll tally nearly 350,000 before the 12/23 deadline. That ought to slow Democratic heartbeats on the Hill, at least over the holidays.

.
Even the most dense Democratic Congressperson would not be calmed down by this math:

350,000 – 5,500,000 = – 4,150,000 fewer insured

Sometime in January, someone’s child, spouse or grandparent who lost their plan/doctor thanks to Obamacare is going to DIE as a result … and then another one will die … and then another one.

Simple actuarial math even a liberal can understand guarantees it.

And as for the imbecile writing for the New Yorker?

Let’s hold her feet to the fire and ask her on Twitter if she’ll feel like a chump when the first uninsured person dies … or will it have to take the death of a child for her to admit her stupidity?

PolAgnostic on December 4, 2013 at 1:55 PM

How many of those 29000 actually paid for their sign-up?

Another Drew on December 4, 2013 at 2:03 PM

How many of those 29000 actually paid for their sign-up?

Another Drew on December 4, 2013 at 2:03 PM

Zero. That part is not set up yet to pay.

ConservativePartyNow on December 4, 2013 at 2:04 PM

Well, champ, how does it feel to have your insurance cancelled? How does it feel to be humiliated for buying such an “inferior product”? How does it feel to be an adult but dealt with like a child?
Maybe we should raise taxes on all Democrats only. They love these pie in the sky projects (green energy and healthcare), so they should have no problem spreading their wealth to fund them.
I can’t wait for this person to have her information hacked. Then she can claim that she has no problem with this because one (probably several) illegal immigrant can now walk freely in America.

djaymick on December 4, 2013 at 2:05 PM

My cat was one of the 29,000.
He signed up and took a look around the site. Found out he qualifies for a hardship exemption due to homelessness (he came to us from a shelter). He thought he would qualify for the domestic violence exemption, but I explained that since he’s the perpetrator, not the victim, it doesn’t apply to him.

Actually, the list of those exempted is pretty interesting. Besides homelessness and those who’ve experienced domestic violence, anyone facing foreclosure, anyone who received a utility shut-off notice in the past 6 months, if your property was damaged by fire or flood, or if a close family member recently died – all exempt.

NavyMom on December 4, 2013 at 2:13 PM

Zero. That part is not set up yet to pay.

ConservativePartyNow on December 4, 2013 at 2:04 PM

I’ll bet that they opt out of building the payment portion of this and claim that they always meant to just hand that off to the individual insurers.

oldroy on December 4, 2013 at 2:16 PM

“That ought to slow Democratic heartbeats on the Hill, at least over the holidays.”

Not so fast.

“The site has held up under pressure from about 1 million visitors for two days straight…”

1,000,000 – 29,000 ‘enrollees’ implies 971,000 ‘unenrollees’.

29,000 / 1,000,000 => 2.9% of initially interested visitors ‘enrolled’.

Right? (…if we’re gonna’ play fast and loose with numbers.)

Tsar of Earth on December 4, 2013 at 2:17 PM

NavyMom on December 4, 2013 at 2:13 PM

Good post!

LegendHasIt on December 4, 2013 at 2:22 PM

You mean they actually got a website up that can take information and let you abandon a shopping cart?

Well that’s lovely.

The easy part is done.

The site was never up enough to let hackers get a crack at it: it crashed on its own too much to be worth the effort. Now that the government is centralizing the collection of data on a site with very little to no security, it now serves as a hacker focal point… identity theft on a mass scale.

The Administration will look back longingly to these early days and wish, only wish, that they had things as good as they were just a month ago.

ajacksonian on December 4, 2013 at 2:27 PM

29,000 people without insurance signing up to get their free healthcare from the gubmint.

Then there’s the hundreds of thousands who lost their insurance, went to the website to sign up, saw the ridiculous plans and outrageous prices …… and logged off.

fogw on December 4, 2013 at 2:31 PM

A sign-up is not a sign-up is not a sign-up.

There are different types of sign-ups.
If no paying customers are signing up, just freebies, then that is not good.

albill on December 4, 2013 at 2:36 PM

Enrollments = identity thefts

Philly on December 4, 2013 at 2:40 PM

LegendHasIt on December 4, 2013 at 2:22 PM

Thank you!
I don’t understand all the exemptions. I feel terrible for who experience the hardships listed, but does the government exempt them from paying other taxes? And that’s what this is supposed to be, isn’t it? A tax? Despite that the website calls it an “individual shared responsibility payment”.

NavyMom on December 4, 2013 at 2:46 PM

Just wait until the other boot hits “chump” in the a$$…the one that says “oh yea, that doctor you had? not going to be able to see him anymore, sorry.”

I notice the writer doesn’t provide any statistics about the number of pregnant women without health insurance who showed up in emergency rooms to give birth. I know it happens, and probably frequently, but is it an exorbitant number? He doesn’t support the statement with any facts. And my other point is that if you’re a taxpayer you were paying for the uninsured hospital visits before Obamacare hit, now you’re going to subsidize people who purchase insurance, as well as pay taxes to pay for care for those who won’t buy coverage. Right?

scalleywag on December 4, 2013 at 2:48 PM

I’m really going to feel like a chump.

You better get started.

GarandFan on December 4, 2013 at 3:15 PM

Hey chump. It doesn’t fix the fact that not everyone will have insurance. The figure is still 30 million, chump.

TerryW on December 4, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Zero. That part is not set up yet to pay.

ConservativePartyNow on December 4, 2013 at 2:04 PM

Well, theoretically they could have paid the insurer directly, and obviously that’s what they’re going to have to do since the website payment system isn’t built yet.

But considering there has to be some time for the insurer to process the application and bill the customer, and with big problems in that process still ongoing, it’s not likely that any have paid.

Missy on December 4, 2013 at 3:28 PM

Talbot has got to be the most naive person I have ever met.

Get a life. That is not remotely true what happens today. She is an idiot, and getting a paycheck from anyone is borderline fraud.

Zomcon JEM on December 4, 2013 at 3:37 PM

scalleywag on December 4, 2013 at 2:48 PM

It happens almost not at all. Most poor pre-natal care is due to the expectant mother being on public assistance, 50 pounds over weight at least and a regular drug and alcohol abuser.

I know – my son works in a big city hospital OB ward.

Zomcon JEM on December 4, 2013 at 3:40 PM

It happens almost not at all. Most poor pre-natal care is due to the expectant mother being on public assistance, 50 pounds over weight at least and a regular drug and alcohol abuser.

Even on public assistance a mother like this would still have access to care via Medicaid or community clinics or even crisis pregnancy centers.

Most of these women were not interested in seeking out prenatal care in the first place.

Obamacare is not going to change that one tiny bit.

Missy on December 4, 2013 at 3:44 PM

Bwaahaha

FAIL

TX-96 on December 4, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Down 21-0 in the first quarter, Obamacaare kicks a field goal.

Yay team.

MichaelGabriel on December 4, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Obama needs a new issue poll. How about a poll that asks about his ability to BS everybody in a speech. That should get him well above 40%.

stefano1 on December 4, 2013 at 4:36 PM

As a 40+ single man, I thank her for underwriting part of the cost of my (much more expensive) insurance policy, which is now forced to include prenatal care. Sad that I’ll never use that coverage that she and I are forced to pay for, but still…

hawksruleva on December 4, 2013 at 4:47 PM

Even on public assistance a mother like this would still have access to care via Medicaid or community clinics or even crisis pregnancy centers.

Most of these women were not interested in seeking out prenatal care in the first place.

Obamacare is not going to change that one tiny bit.

Missy on December 4, 2013 at 3:44 PM

True. But since when did the truth affect government policy?

My plan to provide health to those who need it would be radically different. It would basically attempt to encourage more people to become doctors. Because doctors are the folks who provide health care. The current plan devotes more money for paperwork; doctors in Obamacare are people to be nickle and dimed until they no longer accept patients.

hawksruleva on December 4, 2013 at 4:49 PM

I notice the writer doesn’t provide any statistics about the number of pregnant women without health insurance who showed up in emergency rooms to give birth. I know it happens, and probably frequently, but is it an exorbitant number? He doesn’t support the statement with any facts. And my other point is that if you’re a taxpayer you were paying for the uninsured hospital visits before Obamacare hit, now you’re going to subsidize people who purchase insurance, as well as pay taxes to pay for care for those who won’t buy coverage. Right?

scalleywag on December 4, 2013 at 2:48 PM

I’m guessing the number of pregnant women in emergency rooms is lower than everybody. But to help them, we need to hurt everybody. Liberalism in action!

hawksruleva on December 4, 2013 at 4:51 PM

Eventually, many of those dropped will be visitors – and purchasers – on the exchange. Inevitably, Obama and his minions will tout their visits and purchases as evidence of Obamacare’s popularity. Force people to buy a product and, when they comply with the law, argue that such is evidence of its popularity. This is the equivalent of arguing that people love elevator music. They are listening so obviously they must love it or something./

Resist We Much on December 4, 2013 at 5:10 PM

To give an idea of how busy healthcare.gov is (one million visitors per day), here are some comparisons based on onScore monthly rankings for October of this year: (31 day month)

(global rank) (site) (monthly unique visitors)
25: Wal-mart, 38M
26: Twitter.com, 38M
27: Yelp.com, 37M
30: Tumbler.com, 36M
31: WebMd, 34M
35: NY Times digital, 32M
36: WordPress.com, 32M

healthcare.gov, 31M

38: Netflix.com, 29M
39: Fox News, 28M
44: NFL Internet Group, 27M
48: Gawker Media, 25M
49: Disney Online, 25M
50: Pinterest.com, 25M

In other words, there are plenty of online properties that can handle the traffic expected by healthcare.gov. Currently it would fall around #38. But sadly, getting IN to the site is just part of this, there is a whole bunch of stuff that has to happen on the back end to make this pig sing. I, for one, am not holding my breath.

TheLoudTalker on December 4, 2013 at 5:34 PM

One more thing…

Basic business logic and experience should have been enough to guide the site designers toward architecting this thing for proper traffic levels. The ability to handle 50,000 concurrent connections may sound like a lot to the average layperson, but it is modest by today’s technology standards. Off-the-shelf network switches, firewalls and load balancers handle well past 100,000 connections per device. So, two devices could handle twice as much, etc. This is a technology failure of shamefully epic proportions. In the private sector people would be fired and sued.

TheLoudTalker on December 4, 2013 at 5:39 PM

Amazing number, 29,000! In 120 days the the number will reach 7 million. Target enrollment is what? – 7 million. And four months from now will be March 4th. And the extended deadline for 2014 enrollment is March 15th!

See how easy it is to report new enrollments.

herdgadfly on December 4, 2013 at 7:17 PM

Grasshopper:

Take half a glass of water and add to it half a glass of 190 proof alchole and you still have a half full glass that is half way to being empty.

jpcpt03 on December 4, 2013 at 7:39 PM

Grasshopper:

A miss directed lie is still a misdirection no matter how it is presented.

jpcpt03 on December 4, 2013 at 7:41 PM

Grasshopper:

These are not leaders they are just charlatans that use words to preform magic. Be for ever alert of the slight of tongue.

jpcpt03 on December 4, 2013 at 7:47 PM

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