Harvard poll: Millennial meltdown for Obama

posted at 10:41 am on December 4, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Maybe millenials finally started paying attention to the bills due from ObamaCare, or perhaps they’ve just had enough sales pitches to last them a lifetime. According to a new poll of more than 2,000 adults conducted by Harvard, young voters have turned against Obama, and NSA surveillance might have been the catalyst:

Young Americans are turning against Barack Obama and Obamacare, according to a new survey of Millennials, people between the ages of 18 and 29 who are vital to the fortunes of the president and his signature health-care law.

The most startling finding of Harvard University’s Institute of Politics: A majority of Americans under age 25 – the youngest Millennials – would favor throwing Obama out of office.

The survey, part of a unique 13-year study of the attitudes of young adults, finds that America’s rising generation is worried about its future, disillusioned with the U.S. political system, strongly opposed to the government’s domestic surveillance apparatus, and drifting away from both major parties. It blows a gaping hole in the belief among many Democrats that Obama’s two elections signaled a durable grip on the youth vote.

Indeed, Millennials are not so hot on their president.

Obama’s approval rating among young Americans is just 41 percent, down 11 points from a year ago, and now tracking with all adults. While 55 percent said they voted for Obama in 2012, only 46 percent said they would do so again.

National Journal’s Ron Fournier breaks down the numbers, but the embedded graphic tells the whole story.  The red bars indicating opposition dominate all the way down among voters 18-29 years of age, which had been the Democrats’ core for activists and enthusiasm. Obama scores badly across the board on issues, from the economy that’s not producing jobs for younger voters (33/61) to the federal budget deficit that they’ll have to own later (28/66).

The biggest issue right now, though, is ObamaCare, which ended up as law in large part due to the efforts of this demographic. It matters little whether pollsters call it the Affordable Care Act or ObamaCare, as the disapproval of it is almost identical either way (39/56 and 38/57, respectively).  On health care policy, Obama gets a disastrous 34/61 approval on an issue that Democrats have owned for decades, especially among this demographic. Sticking them with huge premium bills in order to subsidize middle-aged and wealthier Americans will do that to a politician, especially when only 18% expect the law to improve their own care.

Two months ago, Democrats were crowing about the 2014 midterms after the government shutdown, with polls showing nearly double-digit leads.  Now, Democrats who routinely have double-digit leads in this demographic find their party-affiliation edge cut to six points among 18-24 year olds. Overall in the under-30 demographic, their lead has been cut to nine points, 33/24.

This is not just a momentary disaster for Barack Obama, but a generational disaster for Democrats.  It also raises a big question in the midterms: where will Democrats get their volunteers and activists? It also raises an even bigger question for ObamaCare, as these millenials aren’t going to rush into the economic vise of the exchanges. And that will only get worse as the mandate rolls forward.


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Dude, where’s my free stuff? There ain’t none? I don’t like him anymore.

Bevan on December 4, 2013 at 12:01 PM

…they are ready for Elizabeth Warren

No, only over-educated sh*t-for-brains like you are.

rrpjr on December 4, 2013 at 12:01 PM

Voting should be restricted to those who pay more in taxes than they take out of the system. EIC parasites shouldn’t have a say either even though they technically “pay” taxes.

Happy Nomad on December 4, 2013 at 11:20 AM

..how on earth will this be determined? I mean, the IRS just announced that it would be clueless in determining the validity of the subsidies of MengaleCare. So between that and the fact that they are aces at ferreting out (R)s and Teabaggers for 501(c)(3) denial, the Dems should be in the catbird seat.

Si, si puede!

The War Planner on December 4, 2013 at 12:02 PM

I wonder how many of these youngsters told their elders “a thing or two” …
Flange on December 4, 2013 at 10:47 AM

Actual yuletide conversation with Nephew several years ago:

Fox News sucks.
What did you see on Fox News to make you think that?
Huh? I wouldn’t watch that crap.
Then how do you know?
Jon Stewart said so.

Can’t wait to see him this Christmas (if he has the gas money).

Tsar of Earth on December 4, 2013 at 12:03 PM

they are ready for Elizabeth Warren. Be happy about this all you want, but the failure of the financial market and the bailout of the banks has driven a whole generation to the left.

libfreeordie on December 4, 2013 at 11:27 AM

Why? What does Elizabeth Warren and the left have to offer them?

questionmark on December 4, 2013 at 11:45 AM

Out of control inflation.

Stagnation.

Criminalizing entrepreneurship.

Long lines for toilet paper.

NotCoach on December 4, 2013 at 12:04 PM

but the failure of the financial market and the bailout of the banks has driven a whole generation to the left over the cliff.

LiverSpotsArefree on December 4, 2013 at 11:27 AM

..FIFY, assshole.

The War Planner on December 4, 2013 at 12:05 PM

Can’t wait to see him this Christmas (if he has the gas money).

Tsar of Earth on December 4, 2013 at 12:03 PM

heh

cmsinaz on December 4, 2013 at 12:05 PM

The GOP should take advantage of this opportunity and target this group with new & fresh leadership from the likes of Mitch McConnell, John McCain, Lindsay Graham & John Cornyn.

portlandon on December 4, 2013 at 11:17 AM

And don’t forget that the GOP should also push amnesty.

/

BuckeyeSam on December 4, 2013 at 12:05 PM

NotCoach on December 4, 2013 at 12:04 PM

Shhhhh NC! I wanted to see if he could get it!

questionmark on December 4, 2013 at 12:06 PM

the failure of the financial market and the bailout of the banks has driven a whole generation to the left.

 
libfreeordie on December 4, 2013 at 11:27 AM

 
+1, which is how you got Obamacare.
 
Sadly, you squandered the opportunity and the pendulum will likely swing back when they witness firsthand what you’ve* done to redirect money they once used for their grocery budget.

rogerb on December 4, 2013 at 12:16 PM

they are ready for Elizabeth Warren. Be happy about this all you want, but the failure of the financial market and the bailout of the banks has driven a whole generation to the left.

libfreeordie on December 4, 2013 at 11:27 AM

Why? What does Elizabeth Warren and the left have to offer them?

questionmark on December 4, 2013 at 11:45 AM

Seriously libfree, please give us your impression of what Warren or the left has articulated that will be beneficial to millenials and/or to America in general?

questionmark on December 4, 2013 at 12:18 PM

Tsar of Earth on December 4, 2013 at 12:03 PM

:-) I have to think that there are a couple million other stories like that.

Flange on December 4, 2013 at 12:18 PM

Not a question.

questionmark on December 4, 2013 at 12:18 PM

Doughboy the lsm will make sure she’s cool for them.

cmsinaz on December 4, 2013 at 10:59 AM

On behalf of Doughboy, I’d like to buy a comma, cmsinaz. ;>

Tsar of Earth on December 4, 2013 at 12:19 PM

Shhhhh NC! I wanted to see if he could get it!

questionmark on December 4, 2013 at 12:06 PM

He’s not coming back to the thread. He dropped his turd, and had his nose rubbed in an old turd.

NotCoach on December 4, 2013 at 12:19 PM

Just seems to come with my handle.

questionmark on December 4, 2013 at 12:19 PM

The 4 years of Jimmy Carter coincided with the 4 years I spent in high school. As a freshman in college, I proudly cast my vote for Ronald Reagan.

I remember one time starting to criticize Carter to my Mom and her saying wearily that she was so tired of him she just didn’t want to talk about him.

During those 4 years we went from disco clothes to fair isle sweaters, kilts and other plaid skirts, the preppy look (and the Preppy Handbook) took over. It would have been hard to distinguish many of we girls from our 1950s counterparts.

“Malaise” as Carter put it, made us all wish for something different and better than 18% mortgages, skyrocketing stagflation, and we were ready to dump the Dems for Reagan’s cheerful optimism.

I don’t see why it should be any different for young people now. From 1974 to 1980 this country went from “never going to elect another Republican” to ushering in Republicans 3 terms in a row (by landslides). In 2006, we were “never going to elect another Republican” but by 2016, after years of fiscal decline, I’m betting that will have changed.

Greyledge Gal on December 4, 2013 at 12:19 PM

Seriously libfree, please give us your impression of what Warren or the left has articulated that will be beneficial to millenials and/or to America in general?

questionmark on December 4, 2013 at 12:18 PM

Seriously? I’m not going to have a debate with you about the failures of disaster capitalism. You have bought, hook, line and sinker, into the mythology that capital only acts in ways that the state allows (so therefore capital is never to blame because its always “crony capitalism”) and that the state shouldn’t regulate capital. Engaging you in the endless feedback loop of that dialectic is pointless.

I am, however, more willing to talk about why young people are more persuaded by leftist ideas these days and it has everything to do with the recognition that the free market has not produced a meritocracy. The right told people that the problem with a centrally planned economy was that the state would pick winners and losers and that competition inevitably means that the best succeed. But, of course, the last 40 years prove otherwise. Those with connections succeed, those without access to economic privilege have found a smaller and smaller bottleneck to upward mobility and an easier pathway to incarceration and permanent second class citizenship or military service that risks life and psychological soundness. That is simply a description of the world as it is, and millenials, having eyes see it.

libfreeordie on December 4, 2013 at 12:24 PM

* Please don’t misunderstand and think I meant a general “you” as in “you (D)s are damaging savings accounts” or “you liberal/progressives are forcing private funds once available for local churches and charities (and tax deductions) to be given to massive insurance corporations at the point of a gun”. I don’t mean it that way at all.
 
I mean you, libfreeordie, and you specifically. This is all yours.
 
What’s currently happening to grocery budgets of families with small children? You did it.
 
What’s currently happening to middle class education savings? You did it.
 
What’s currently happening to retirement accounts? You did it.
 
What’s currently happening to the wealth average Americans struggled to accumulate and hoped to pass on to their grandkids? You did it.
 
Congratulations.

rogerb on December 4, 2013 at 12:31 PM

an easier pathway to incarceration and permanent second class citizenship or military service
libfreeordie on December 4, 2013 at 12:24 PM

This is what you think about military service? Go to he!!.

kcewa on December 4, 2013 at 12:32 PM

Obama to Millenials in 2012: Hey, bro, you’ll get free health care from your old man until you’re 27, and we’ll give you free birth control and smart phones you can sell for pot! Ain’t that awesome?

2013: We cancelled your old man’s health insurance, and you’ve got to pay for it! If the website doesn’t work, call your insurance company on your Obamaphone! Feel the love, man!

Steve Z on December 4, 2013 at 12:35 PM

Millenials aren’t ready for a new Reagan revolution, they are ready for Elizabeth Warren. Be happy about this all you want, but the failure of the financial market and the bailout of the banks has driven a whole generation to the left.

libfreeordie on December 4, 2013 at 11:27 AM

Today’s 20-to-24-year-olds were in high school when the financial crisis and bank bailout happened. I don’t think they are seething with resentment of the banks. This is a leftwing fantasy.

They don’t like Obama for two reasons: their high school teachers acted like Justin Bieber fans about Obama in 2008, which they found revolting; and many of them have parents who lost their jobs in the recession and some still haven’t found new ones yet. Most of them had to scramble to figure out how to pay for college. Economics have dominated their lives and they don’t see that Obama has done a damn thing to improve the economy. Now they are college juniors staring at an apocalyptic job market when they graduate.

What on Earth does Elizabeth Warren have to offer these young people?

rockmom on December 4, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Seriously? I’m not going to have a debate with you about the failures of disaster capitalism. You have bought, hook, line and sinker, into the mythology that capital only acts in ways that the state allows (so therefore capital is never to blame because its always “crony capitalism”) and that the state shouldn’t regulate capital. Engaging you in the endless feedback loop of that dialectic is pointless.

libfreeordie on December 4, 2013 at 12:24 PM

Translation: I end up sounding like a flipping moron when I get into these kinds of debates, and I just don’t feel like doing that today.

I am, however, more willing to talk about why young people are more persuaded by leftist ideas these days and it has everything to do with the recognition that the free market has not produced a meritocracy.

And yet you’re going to get your a$$ handed to you anyways because you can’t seem to resist despite what you wrote in the previous paragraph.

The right told people that the problem with a centrally planned economy was that the state would pick winners and losers and that competition inevitably means that the best succeed. But, of course, the last 40 years prove otherwise. Those with connections succeed, those without access to economic privilege have found a smaller and smaller bottleneck to upward mobility and an easier pathway to incarceration and permanent second class citizenship or military service that risks life and psychological soundness. That is simply a description of the world as it is, and millenials, having eyes see it.

Says the blind man.

The biggest financial crisis of the last 80 years (ObamaCare isn’t in full swing, yet) was the housing bubble, and that was a government created crisis. You’ve been educated on this point several times, but you refuse to listen. Why, it’s almost like you’ll believe any stupid thing in the universe, like the following:

Here’s a simple question for you. Which of the founding fathers did not subscribe to the communitarian ethos Calhoun deploys to rationalize slavery? *sets sundial*

libfreeordie on August 21, 2013 at 9:30 AM

None. They weren’t nascent Commies like John C. Calhoun, and full blown Commies like you. Don’t you think you need to provide some proof for such a ridiculous smear there Mr. Calhoun? You’re a history perfesser, right?

NotCoach on August 21, 2013 at 9:36 AM

Oh dear God….hold on, give me 10 minutes.

libfreeordie on August 21, 2013 at 9:45 AM

You can lie to yourself all you want, but free markets have not been free for the last 40 years. Besides that, how do you reconcile such nonsense with the last 5 years? Why has the great Obamessiah not enriched us all by now through this great new invention called the command economy? I know, he just isn’t the right person, right? And Elizabeth Warren obviously is.

Seriously libfree, please give us your impression of what Warren or the left has articulated that will be beneficial to millenials and/or to America in general?

questionmark on December 4, 2013 at 12:18 PM

Seriously, what will she do? ObamaCare on steroids? FauxcahontasCare?

NotCoach on December 4, 2013 at 12:38 PM

I am, however, more willing to talk about why young people are more persuaded by leftist ideas these days and it has everything to do with the recognition that the free market has not produced a meritocracy. The right told people that the problem with a centrally planned economy was that the state would pick winners and losers and that competition inevitably means that the best succeed. But, of course, the last 40 years prove otherwise. Those with connections succeed, those without access to economic privilege have found a smaller and smaller bottleneck to upward mobility and an easier pathway to incarceration and permanent second class citizenship or military service that risks life and psychological soundness. That is simply a description of the world as it is, and millenials, having eyes see it.

libfreeordie on December 4, 2013 at 12:24 PM

What is it with you liberals fantasizing about the good old days of the 1970s? I was a young person then and I remember crappy cars, gas lines, factories closing, meat shortages, 17% interest rates, Jimmy Carter telling us all to turn down our thermostats and wear sweaters, and a rapidly advancing and menacing Soviet Union.

Young people are always idealistic and they are easily disappointed when the “powers that be” seem to be intractably wedded to the status quo. Too bad for you that Obama is now the “powers that be” and young people are seriously disappointed in him.

rockmom on December 4, 2013 at 12:42 PM

I am, however, more willing to talk about why young people are more persuaded by leftist ideas these days and it has everything to do with the recognition that the free market has not produced a meritocracy.

Actually it has more to do with them being indoctrinated by the aging 1960s Marxists that dominate our university faculties nowadays, and getting their news from late-night comedians.

rockmom on December 4, 2013 at 12:44 PM

Those with connections succeed, those without access to economic privilege have found a smaller and smaller bottleneck to upward mobility and an easier pathway to incarceration and permanent second class citizenship or military service that risks life and psychological soundness. That is simply a description of the world as it is, and millenials, having eyes see it.
 
libfreeordie on December 4, 2013 at 12:24 PM

 
Shocked that no one will pay him $500K/year for making an A- in his “The Influence of Women Professors In Gay Black History and How It Influences Future Gay History of Blacks and Women” class, the only sensible conclusion is reached.

rogerb on December 4, 2013 at 12:45 PM

they are ready for Elizabeth Warren. Be happy about this all you want, but the failure of the financial market and the bailout of the banks has driven a whole generation to the left.

libfreeordie on December 4, 2013 at 11:27 AM

Bless your heart….no Dear, this is more accurate
for who they are ready for….

http://therightscoop.com/watch-live-10am-sarah-palin-at-liberty-universitys-fall-2013-convocation/

ToddPA on December 4, 2013 at 12:46 PM

Shocked that no one will pay him $500K/year for making an A- in his “The Influence of Women Professors In Gay Black History and How It Influences Future Gay History of Blacks and Women” class, the only sensible conclusion is reached.

rogerb on December 4, 2013 at 12:45 PM

LOL, I have a job that pays me a very nice salary to do what I love, be mad.

libfreeordie on December 4, 2013 at 12:48 PM

According to rogerb, if you don’t make 500K a year you can not be a happy and content person. Conservative elitism always reveals itself.

libfreeordie on December 4, 2013 at 12:50 PM

LOL, I have a job that pays me a very nice salary to do what I love, be mad.
 
libfreeordie on December 4, 2013 at 12:48 PM

 
Nicely done. I’m sure that sounded better in your head. Re-read it if you need to.

rogerb on December 4, 2013 at 12:50 PM

Millenials aren’t ready for a new Reagan revolution, they are ready for Old White Lady Elizabeth Warren, who will be almost 70 years old in 2016.

libfreeordie on December 4, 2013 at 11:27 AM

Edited to reflect reality.

Funny how you chumps whine about the GOP being the Old White Man Party, when your own Party is dominated by Old White Women.

Please tell us why Millenials are going to go for such an old hag. And while you’re at it, tell us what her “qualifications” are to be the Senator from Massachusetts.

Del Dolemonte on December 4, 2013 at 12:51 PM

Those with connections succeed, those without access to economic privilege have found a smaller and smaller bottleneck to upward mobility and an easier pathway to incarceration and permanent second class citizenship or military service that risks life and psychological soundness. That is simply a description of the world as it is, and millenials, having eyes see it.
 
libfreeordie on December 4, 2013 at 12:24 PM

 

According to rogerb, if you don’t make 500K a year you can not be a happy and content person. Conservative elitism always reveals itself.
 
libfreeordie on December 4, 2013 at 12:50 PM

 
Square that circle.

rogerb on December 4, 2013 at 12:53 PM

According to rogerb, if you don’t make 500K a year you can not be a happy and content person. Conservative elitism always reveals itself.

libfreeordie on December 4, 2013 at 12:50 PM

*snort*

Our education truly is boned with educators like yourself.

Here’s a simple question for you. Which of the founding fathers did not subscribe to the communitarian ethos Calhoun deploys to rationalize slavery? *sets sundial*

libfreeordie on August 21, 2013 at 9:30 AM

None. They weren’t nascent Commies like John C. Calhoun, and full blown Commies like you. Don’t you think you need to provide some proof for such a ridiculous smear there Mr. Calhoun? You’re a history perfesser, right?

NotCoach on August 21, 2013 at 9:36 AM

Oh dear God….hold on, give me 10 minutes.

libfreeordie on August 21, 2013 at 9:45 AM

NotCoach on December 4, 2013 at 12:53 PM

And while you’re at it, tell us what her “qualifications” are to be the Senator from Massachusetts.

Del Dolemonte on December 4, 2013 at 12:51 PM

Oh Del, Puleeease!

She’s a DAMN GOOD LIAR! THAT is her one and only Qualification
needed to be a successful Democrat politician in America!

ToddPA on December 4, 2013 at 12:54 PM

Seriously libfree, please give us your impression of what Warren or the left has articulated that will be beneficial to millenials and/or to America in general?

questionmark on December 4, 2013 at 12:18 PM

libfreeordie on December 4, 2013 at 12:24 PM

OK, Class, notice how the Unit babbles on (I snipped that all out) for sentences and sentences, and yet avoids the Warren question.

One more time: Warren is only about 18 months younger than Hillary Clinton, yet is a rising star in a Democrat Party now dominated by other Old White Women. Why should people 40 years younger than her believe anything she says?

Del Dolemonte on December 4, 2013 at 12:56 PM

What is it with you liberals fantasizing about the good old days of the 1970s? I was a young person then and I remember crappy cars, gas lines, factories closing, meat shortages, 17% interest rates, Jimmy Carter

rockmom on December 4, 2013 at 12:42 PM

I took my driver’s test in my Mom’s 1979 FORD FAIRMONT!

Biggest pile of Sh*t to roll of a Ford Assembly line! HAHAHAAH!!

ToddPA on December 4, 2013 at 12:58 PM

Heah Libfreefromthought:

Like all “Progressives” Warren is a phony and I am not talking about her FauxNativeAmerican claims. She is a .1 percenter who represented an insurance company against the claims of the little guy. She did that while practicing law without a valid license mind you.

Like all Progressives she believes in a society of poor people run for the benefit of the likes of her. My guess is that you are Millenial and are a posterboy for my contention that your something for nothing generation will jump at the chance to vote for the first person who offers free stuff. So in a way I agree with you but not for the reasons you cite.

jerryofva on December 4, 2013 at 1:01 PM

I took my driver’s test in my Mom’s 1979 FORD FAIRMONT!
 
Biggest pile of Sh*t to roll of a Ford Assembly line! HAHAHAAH!!
 
ToddPA on December 4, 2013 at 12:58 PM

 
I had the Mercury Zephyr for a while. +1.

rogerb on December 4, 2013 at 1:01 PM

I am, however, more willing to talk about why young people are more persuaded by leftist ideas these days …

libfreeordie – Time to wake up, dude. This stuff has been going on forever. There’s a very old saying that goes something like this, “if at 20 you’re not a liberal, you have no heart. If at 40, you’re not a conservative, you have no mind.”

The younger types always have a pie-in-the-sky, hearts/sunbeams/fairies take on the world. But, once they get real jobs, get married and have kids, and figure out that they are paying through the nose holes for taxes, health/car/house insurance, a house, clothes, food, kids (and all the extra-curricular activities), cars, gas, education, retirement, (and hopefully a family vacation every once in a while), along with all the other stuff that comes with being an adult, views change. And therein is the reason that a higher percentage of people in this country, STILL to this day, view themselves as conservatives. The mirage of “free” stuff and services from the government is just that, a mirage. It ALWAYS comes at the expense of the taxpayers. ALWAYS. And that is what the young millenials are beginning to figure out, at this stage in their young lives.

These days, I am a dyed-in-the-wool conservative. Believe me, that is a massive turnaround from when I was in my 20′s, and even early 30′s. For all the very reasons I stated above.

littlekittie on December 4, 2013 at 1:04 PM

I took my driver’s test in my Mom’s 1979 FORD FAIRMONT!

Biggest pile of Sh*t to roll of a Ford Assembly line! HAHAHAAH!!

ToddPA on December 4, 2013 at 12:58 PM

I had the Mercury Zephyr for a while. +1.

rogerb on December 4, 2013 at 1:01 PM

I remember when rental car companies were flush with Chrysler K-cars. The bench seats were slick hard vinyl and if you took a corner too fast your butt would slide around.

slickwillie2001 on December 4, 2013 at 1:06 PM

What is it with you liberals fantasizing about the good old days of the 1970s? I was a young person then and I remember crappy cars, gas lines, factories closing, meat shortages, 17% interest rates, Jimmy Carter

rockmom on December 4, 2013 at 12:42 PM

And don’t forget the horrible music! Disco City 101.

For example, on this week in 1974, the #1 song in the city O’bama claims to have been born in was… “Kung Foo Fighting”!

Deep, deep music, that.

Del Dolemonte on December 4, 2013 at 1:07 PM

Those with connections succeed, those without access to economic privilege have found a smaller and smaller bottleneck to upward mobility and an easier pathway to incarceration and permanent second class citizenship or military service that risks life and psychological soundness. That is simply a description of the world as it is, and millenials, having eyes see it.
 
libfreeordie on December 4, 2013 at 12:24 PM

 

According to rogerb, if you don’t make 500K a year you can not be a happy and content person. Conservative elitism always reveals itself.
 
libfreeordie on December 4, 2013 at 12:50 PM

 
Square that circle.
 
rogerb on December 4, 2013 at 12:53 PM

 
Seriously though, LFOD, did you have a revelation in the half-hour between your posts and realize it is something else preventing contentment and causing the “easier pathway to incarceration and permanent second class citizenship”?
 
Say, you don’t think it has anything to do with fathers, do you?

rogerb on December 4, 2013 at 1:08 PM

I am, however, more willing to talk about why young people are more persuaded by leftist ideas…

Do please articulate those leftist ideas. Define them and then show how they WILL create a better society and economy.

… the free market has not produced a meritocracy.

Unless, of course, one compares the “free market” with every other economic system that mankind has attempted to operate throughout the history of the world.

… and that competition inevitably means that the best succeed. But, of course, the last 40 years prove otherwise.

So, is it your contention that the market has been freer in the last 40 years than in the preceding 200?

questionmark on December 4, 2013 at 1:16 PM

libfreeordie – Time to wake up, dude. This stuff has been going on forever. There’s a very old saying that goes something like this, “if at 20 you’re not a liberal, you have no heart. If at 40, you’re not a conservative, you have no mind.”

The younger types always have a pie-in-the-sky, hearts/sunbeams/fairies take on the world. But, once they get real jobs, get married and have kids, and figure out that they are paying through the nose holes for taxes, health/car/house insurance, a house, clothes, food, kids (and all the extra-curricular activities), cars, gas, education, retirement, (and hopefully a family vacation every once in a while), along with all the other stuff that comes with being an adult, views change. And therein is the reason that a higher percentage of people in this country, STILL to this day, view themselves as conservatives. The mirage of “free” stuff and services from the government is just that, a mirage. It ALWAYS comes at the expense of the taxpayers. ALWAYS. And that is what the young millenials are beginning to figure out, at this stage in their young lives.

These days, I am a dyed-in-the-wool conservative. Believe me, that is a massive turnaround from when I was in my 20′s, and even early 30′s. For all the very reasons I stated above.

littlekittie on December 4, 2013 at 1:04 PM

Add to that the fact that kids have had a steady diet of “you’re special just because,” and you have a whole generation of self-absorbed adult children, Dear Leader being the greatest example.

CurtZHP on December 4, 2013 at 1:19 PM

I am, however, more willing to talk about why young people are more persuaded by leftist ideas…
 
libfreeordie on December 4, 2013 at 12:24 PM

 
Do please articulate those leftist ideas. Define them and then show how they WILL create a better society and economy.
 
questionmark on December 4, 2013 at 1:16 PM

 

Rogerb, its true. But some folks don’t have a natural head or disposition to save. I’m more the adventurous, lets make a memory kind of person. My guy is a level headed, sensible type so he handles the finances and that’s fine by me. In return I made an amazing bacon wrapped meatloaf tonight, win-win!
 
libfreeordie on June 25, 2012 at 11:20 PM

rogerb on December 4, 2013 at 1:20 PM

I am, however, more willing to talk about why young people are more persuaded by leftist ideas these days and it has everything to do with the recognition that the free market has not produced a meritocracy. The right told people that the problem with a centrally planned economy was that the state would pick winners and losers and that competition inevitably means that the best succeed. But, of course, the last 40 years prove otherwise. Those with connections succeed, those without access to economic privilege have found a smaller and smaller bottleneck to upward mobility and an easier pathway to incarceration and permanent second class citizenship or military service that risks life and psychological soundness. That is simply a description of the world as it is, and millenials, having eyes see it.

libfreeordie on December 4, 2013 at 12:24 PM

The problem with this is that the democratic party isn’t any better. The bank bailouts were passed by democratically controlled congress (TARP) and signed by Bush, (TARP2) was passed by democrats and signed by Obama. The expansion of the surveillance state, first Bush then Obama. I mean to be honest, I fail to see where the left is really offering millennials anything different. And Elizabeth Warren only won by 6-7 points in Mass, any democrat should have won by double digits, and a good democratic candidate could have won by 20

snoopicus on December 4, 2013 at 1:22 PM

Boehner still ‘absolutely trusts’ Obama. He hasn’t recanted that belief and his actions back that up.

Wigglesworth on December 4, 2013 at 1:22 PM

The kids got suckered by the whole “hope & change” line of crap.

We only learn from our mistakes when we have to pay for them.

Interestingly, a majority of under-25 millenials would throw Obama out of office – BUT only 1% would vote for Romney if they had it to do over. The best result we can expect is for young people to follow their traditional role of ignorance and apathy of politics and stop voting.

Now, if only the rest of the ignorant and apathetic would stop voting, too, we would be making a good start towards reformation. We’ve encouraged the disengaged to vote for far too long.

Adjoran on December 4, 2013 at 1:30 PM

I remember when rental car companies were flush with Chrysler K-cars. The bench seats were slick hard vinyl and if you took a corner too fast your butt would slide around.

slickwillie2001 on December 4, 2013 at 1:06 PM

You needed Richardo Mantaban to provide you with a
Chrysler Cordoba, with it’s “fine Corithian leather”

ToddPA on December 4, 2013 at 1:32 PM

The left wing hippies of the 1960s seem to have forgotten something…

Young people always rebel against their elders. The elders now are left wing hippies…you know all those old professors who sold them a pack of lies so those old geezer professors could keep the money flowing in.

libfreeordie on December 4, 2013 at 12:24 PM

What you don’t understand is the progressive movement is at it’s heart totalitarian, in other words it leads to more government control. That leads to more NSA spying on Americans, a bigger security state, more personal information like your health habits in the hands of government bureaucrats, and in general more state control over your life.

Now why would young people, the most rebellious group of people in any population, agree to that? You seem to not realize libfreeordie that your man, the man most associated with progressives is in the With House now. He is the MAN! Progressives are now seen as the authority figures, the control freaks, the ones with the uniforms and the guns…congrats libfreeordie you are now part of the establishment!

LOL! You wanted it now you have it…

William Eaton on December 4, 2013 at 1:35 PM

Now, if only the rest of the ignorant and apathetic would stop voting, too, we would be making a good start towards reformation. We’ve encouraged the disengaged to vote for far too long.

Adjoran on December 4, 2013 at 1:30 PM

Time for a “Starship Trooper-ocracy?”

questionmark on December 4, 2013 at 1:35 PM

Bottleneck? I heard Bottleneck? With a marginal rate of 40%, a debt of now over 17 trillion, and a new mandatory insurance ponzi scheme that forces the young to subsidize others poor health, added to a bankrupt social security trust fund………

Maybe the lack of toilet paper in Venezuela is just forcing them to start paying attention.

WryTrvllr on December 4, 2013 at 1:42 PM

Yes, we’ve been had!

flataffect on December 4, 2013 at 1:44 PM

Or it could be that a dropping fertility rate means fewer young minds to indoctrinate, and fewer youth voters, without which, unicorns die off.

WryTrvllr on December 4, 2013 at 1:47 PM

Interestingly, a majority of under-25 millenials would throw Obama out of office – BUT only 1% would vote for Romney if they had it to do over. The best result we can expect is for young people to follow their traditional role of ignorance and apathy of politics and stop voting.

Now, if only the rest of the ignorant and apathetic would stop voting, too, we would be making a good start towards reformation. We’ve encouraged the disengaged to vote for far too long.

Adjoran on December 4, 2013 at 1:30 PM

Romney was the worst possible candidate to appeal to young voters who might have been disillusioned by Obama. Too rich, too white
, too square, and even his sons were square. (I was screaming for the campaign to make more use of Paul Ryan, but they didn’t for whatever reason.)

This is one reason why Obama and his minions keep bringing Romney up every chance they get. They are going to keep running against him right up until the next RNC convention.

Republicans have a golden opportunity in 2016 if they can pick a candidate that is even moderately appealing to young people, especially as opposed to 70-year-old has-been Hillary.

rockmom on December 4, 2013 at 1:48 PM

Nicely done. I’m sure that sounded better in your head. Re-read it if you need to.

rogerb on December 4, 2013 at 12:50 PM

Haha!
It is mad. Sometimes seems angry, but always is “mad”.

freedomfirst on December 4, 2013 at 1:50 PM

The only real question in all of this, is why aren’t the republicans hammering the dimmocrats constantly on all of this.

Only decent commercials I have sen were from private (Koch) funds.

This is the time to twist the knife!

WryTrvllr on December 4, 2013 at 1:51 PM

I wish our resident libtard would tell us what it thinks it takes to be a military servicemember.
While a broad spectrum of people enlist, they are not the dregs of society. The profession of arms is an admirable one that I suspect you’ll never understand despite the protections it affords you. In case you didn’t know, there are thousands of highly educated military servicemembers out there protecting your arse, but we won’t hold against them, their education nor their judgment in protecting you.

Now, go enslave and impoverish yourself with 0gabecare.

freedomfirst on December 4, 2013 at 2:03 PM

I wish our resident libtard would tell us what it thinks it takes to be a military servicemember.

His remark kind of reminds me of the first episode of ST:TNG when Captain Picard refers to military uniforms as “costumes” (as much as I love the show, that moment really pissed me off).

DethMetalCookieMonst on December 4, 2013 at 2:08 PM

DethMetalCookieMonst on December 4, 2013 at 2:08 PM

Yep.
Good show.
Unfortunately had too many kumbaya moments.

freedomfirst on December 4, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Now, if only the rest of the ignorant and apathetic would stop voting, too, we would be making a good start towards reformation. We’ve encouraged the disengaged to vote for far too long.

Adjoran on December 4, 2013 at 1:30 PM

Romney was the worst possible candidate to appeal to young voters who might have been disillusioned by Obama. Too rich, too white
, too square, and even his sons were square. (I was screaming for the campaign to make more use of Paul Ryan, but they didn’t for whatever reason.)

This is one reason why Obama and his minions keep bringing Romney up every chance they get. They are going to keep running against him right up until the next RNC convention.

Republicans have a golden opportunity in 2016 if they can pick a candidate that is even moderately appealing to young people, especially as opposed to 70-year-old has-been Hillary.

rockmom on December 4, 2013 at 1:48 PM

I’m sure O’bama will bring this up too:

Josh Romney, the son of 2012 Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, took to Twitter on Friday to share his role in helping a family whose SUV had crashed into a house in a Salt Lake City suburb.

-snip-

The occupants of the sport utility vehicle – a couple and their two teenage children – were treated by paramedics for minor injuries, said Salt Lake City Unified Police Department spokesman Lieutenant Justin Hoyal.

Romney was driving home after Thanksgiving dinner and had stopped at an intersection when the SUV shot past his car at “highway speed” and careened into the kitchen of a house across the street, he said in a statement.

He opened the door on the driver’s side and helped each occupant out, Romney said in his statement.

What a thug!

/

Del Dolemonte on December 4, 2013 at 2:14 PM

I took my driver’s test in my Mom’s 1979 FORD FAIRMONT!

Biggest pile of Sh*t to roll of a Ford Assembly line! HAHAHAAH!!

ToddPA on December 4, 2013 at 12:58 PM

Agreed, and the upmarket Fairmont Futura was equally ghastly, but ‘Futuristic!’ I worked in a detail shop at the time and I can recall leaning against the fender to run my buffer over the hood, and the fender just bowed in like linguini. And not a ONE of those cars even exists today, at least not here in the northeast. Like most of their shoddy brethren from the mid seventies through the early eighties, they all rusted, blew up, and otherwise faded into shameful history.

CaptFlood on December 4, 2013 at 2:16 PM

…they are not the dregs of society.
 
freedomfirst on December 4, 2013 at 2:03 PM

 
Interestingly, he’s clearly referring to minority youth. Read the incarceration bit again.

rogerb on December 4, 2013 at 2:20 PM

For example, on this week in 1974, the #1 song in the city O’bama claims to have been born in was… “Kung Foo Fighting”!

Deep, deep music, that.

Del Dolemonte on December 4, 2013 at 1:07 PM

In fairness, they were fast as lightning…

CaptFlood on December 4, 2013 at 2:21 PM

The right told people that the problem with a centrally planned economy was that the state would pick winners and losers…

libfreeordie on December 4, 2013 at 12:24 PM

Ummm, and ObamaCare does exactly that. Even the NYT acknowledges this. You are so oblivious. Too much bacon-wrapped meatloaf, I guess.

change is for suckers on December 4, 2013 at 3:02 PM

The right told people that the problem with a centrally planned economy was that the state would pick winners and losers…

libfreeordie on December 4, 2013 at 12:24 PM

One word: Holodomor

Resist We Much on December 4, 2013 at 3:06 PM

Interestingly, he’s clearly referring to minority youth. Read the incarceration bit again.

rogerb on December 4, 2013 at 2:20 PM

She is clearly racist.
I’ll also bet her exposure to the military comes from Hollyweird “works” like “Stripes”. Normal people found that flick funny. She found it to be a documentary piece.

I’m sure a large percentage of military servicmembers could school her, in fact.

freedomfirst on December 4, 2013 at 3:28 PM

servicmembers = servicemembers

freedomfirst on December 4, 2013 at 3:29 PM

While 55 percent said they voted for Obama in 2012, only 46 percent said they would do so again.

Alternate Headline:
46% of young voters remain stupid.

Carnac on December 4, 2013 at 4:00 PM

Of course young people should be skeptical of the President and of the U.S. political system. What’s also missing from this poll is that young people are profoundly skeptical of capitalism and the free market. Their critical of American imperialism and their critical of the efficacy of the criminal justice system. Millenials aren’t ready for a new Reagan revolution, they are ready for Elizabeth Warren. Be happy about this all you want, but the failure of the financial market and the bailout of the banks has driven a whole generation to the left.

libfreeordie on December 4, 2013 at 11:27 AM

That’s true, since they’re stupid as you are.

Ward Cleaver on December 4, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Their critical of American imperialism and their critical of the efficacy of the criminal justice system. …
libfreeordie on December 4, 2013 at 11:27 AM

They are? Professor Scoop the Magic Deviant.

CWchangedhisNicagain on December 4, 2013 at 5:58 PM

I don’t see why it should be any different for young people now. From 1974 to 1980 this country went from “never going to elect another Republican” to ushering in Republicans 3 terms in a row (by landslides). In 2006, we were “never going to elect another Republican” but by 2016, after years of fiscal decline, I’m betting that will have changed.

Greyledge Gal on December 4, 2013 at 12:19 PM

Sung to the tune of We Don’t Need Another Hero by Tina Turner:

“We don’t have another Reagan….”

Tenwheeler on December 4, 2013 at 6:17 PM

Be happy about this all you want, but the failure of the financial market By Dodd and Frank and the bailout of the banks by Obama has driven a whole generation to the left.

libfreeordie on December 4, 2013 at 11:27 AM

A-yep.

That’s what’s gone and done it, there, Pilgrim.

Tenwheeler on December 4, 2013 at 6:20 PM

young voters have turned against Obama, and NSA surveillance might have been the catalyst:

If true, Snowden is looking better and better…

bofh on December 4, 2013 at 6:49 PM

Square that circle.

rogerb on December 4, 2013 at 12:53 PM

With total and complete ease. The kinds of inequality I am describing aren’t people who are “driven” into 70,000 a year jobs. We’re talking about a class of people who can’t find a living wage. It is STUNNING, that you imagine that millenials are pushed into leftism by earning the kinds of wages I bring home. Like…wow….

libfreeordie on December 4, 2013 at 6:53 PM

We’re talking about a class of people who can’t find a living wage.
libfreeordie on December 4, 2013 at 6:53 PM

Still waiting for you to please articulate those leftist ideas that will fix that for them. Show how they WILL create a better society and economy.

questionmark on December 4, 2013 at 8:00 PM

rogerb on December 4, 2013 at 12:53 PM

 
With total and complete ease. The kinds of inequality I am describing aren’t people who are “driven” into 70,000 a year jobs. We’re talking about a class of people who can’t find a living wage. It is STUNNING, that you imagine that millenials are pushed into leftism by earning the kinds of wages I bring home. Like…wow….
 
libfreeordie on December 4, 2013 at 6:53 PM

 
Ha. So we’re going to give “can’t find a living wage” a try now?
 
Remember where you started out?
 

Those with connections succeed, those without access to economic privilege have found a smaller and smaller bottleneck to upward mobility…
 
libfreeordie on December 4, 2013 at 12:24 PM

 
Economic privilege!!!
 
Living wage!!!
 
(BTW, the “can’t find a living wage” folks make up less than 5% of the workforce. Sorry you didn’t know that before you posted.)
 
Speaking of stunning, I’m sort of surprised you always have such a problem keeping up with the conversation.
 

According to rogerb, if you don’t make 500K a year you can not be a happy and content person. Conservative elitism always reveals itself.
 
libfreeordie on December 4, 2013 at 12:50 PM

 
Hint: “Happy and content”
 
Try again if you’d like, professor.

rogerb on December 4, 2013 at 9:06 PM

majority of Americans under age 25 – the youngest Millennials – would favor throwing Obama out of office

that’s a yuck, they had their chance last November. Now they own him and all that is to follow…too late suckers…

RedInMD on December 4, 2013 at 9:25 PM

I wouldn’t celebrate too soon. They may well want him out, but that doesn’t mean they would elect a conservative – that case has to be made, it’s not a process of elimination.

Look at NYC – they got rid of a lunatic (Bloomberg), flirted with a sex-addict (Weiner) and settled on a communist (De Blasio).

virgo on December 5, 2013 at 12:19 AM

This has been a great thread. I’m not sure which part was my favorite, though.
 
The bit where the brand new non-tenured humanities teacher not five years out of college
 

As someone on the verge of a PhD in history let me break down what I mean.
 
libfreeordie on January 9, 2009 at 1:28 PM

 
and working at a public university is already making $70K a year?
 
Or
 
The bit where he thought all us white people only earned a half million dollars a year?
 

According to rogerb, if you don’t make 500K a year you can not be a happy and content person. Conservative elitism always reveals itself.
 
libfreeordie on December 4, 2013 at 12:50 PM

 
Or
 
The part where where people without access to buzzwords
 

without access to economic privilege have found a smaller and smaller bottleneck to upward mobility and an easier pathway to incarceration and permanent second class citizenship or military service that risks life and psychological soundness.
 
libfreeordie on December 4, 2013 at 12:24 PM

 

Somehow can’t be happy and content. You know, like this part:
 

if you don’t make ____ a year you can not be a happy and content person. ________ elitism always reveals itself.
 

libfreeordie on December 4, 2013 at 12:50 PM

 
And instead of happiness and contentment they must either commit crimes or join the military.
 
Great thread, professor. You really should ask for a raise.

rogerb on December 5, 2013 at 1:59 PM

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