ADP report: 215K private-sector jobs added in November

posted at 2:31 pm on December 4, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

For the first time in almost a year, the ADP Employment Report shows above-200K growth in private-sector job creation.  November’s addition of 215,000 in the series follows two straight months of job growth at 185,000, which worked out roughly similar to the aggregate job-addition numbers from BLS:

Private sector employment increased by 215,000 jobs from October to November, according to the November ADP National Employment Report®. Broadly distributed to the public each month, free of charge, the ADP National Employment Report is produced by ADP® , a leading global provider of Human Capital Management (HCM) solutions, in collaboration with Moody’s Analytics. The report, which is derived from ADP’s actual payroll data, measures the change in total nonfarm private employment each month on a seasonally-adjusted basis.

Most of the gain was in the service industry, which is to be expected in the last quarter of the year. Goods-producing jobs rose too:

Goods-producing employment rose by 40,000 jobs in November, up from 29,000 in October. Both construction and manufacturing payrolls added 18,000 jobs apiece. The gain for manufacturing was the largest since early 2012.

Service-providing industries added 176,000 jobs in November, up from 156,000 in October. This was the largest gain in the service sector in a year. Among the service industries reported by the ADP National Employment Report, trade/transportation/utilities added the most jobs with 45,000 over the month. Professional/business services employment rose by 38,000, while financial activities added 5,000 jobs.

“According to ADP National Employment Report findings, the U.S. private sector added 215,000 jobs during November making it the strongest month for job growth in 2013,” said Carlos Rodriguez, president and chief executive officer of ADP. “It’s an encouraging sign as we head toward the new year.”

It’s the best month since last November’s 276,000 jobs-added result, but it’s still not enough to move the needle much on real unemployment.  The US economy has to add 150,000 jobs a month to keep up with population growth, so even if this number matches the BLS figure coming on Friday, we’re only looking at a net 65,000 gain against population growth. At that rate, it would take more than six years to make up for just half of the 10.6 million people who have left the workforce since the technical recovery began in June 2009.

Nevertheless, CNBC’s pretty stoked about these results, mostly due to low expectations:

Private sector job creation surged in November, with ADP reporting 215,000 new jobs in a number that could put some heat on the Federal Reserve to begin reducing its monthly stimulus.

Economists expected ADP to report the private sector created 173,000 new jobs in November.

“This feels pretty good,” Mark Zandi, an economist with Moody’s Analytics, which assists ADP in putting together the monthly report, said on CNBC. “I’m surprised at how well the job market held up in the face of what happened in Washington.”

Economists had expected the government shutdown in early October to put pressure on the job market, but that has not shown up in any of the data released since then.

There’s no doubt that 215K beats 173K, especially for the 42,000 people who have jobs that the difference represents.  Overall, though, this is still a stagnation figure, and it’s probably going to have no impact on the 36-year low in the civilian workforce participation rate that actually measures employment in the context of population.

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Shouldn’t November be a good month regardless due to the holiday season? The problem is a lot of those gigs could be temporary. Then again, that’s the new normal for the Obama economy anyway.

Doughboy on December 4, 2013 at 2:35 PM

ADP only reports jobs added

Never reports jobs lost

Like BLS numbers are padded

But losers still lose the most

PolAgnostic on December 4, 2013 at 2:41 PM

There’s no doubt that 215K beats 173K, especially for the 42,000 people who have jobs that the difference represents.

42,000 more people out protesting tomorrow because their new career as an “sliced solanum tuberosum immersion specialist” doesn’t pay $15/hour

Happy Nomad on December 4, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Shouldn’t November be a good month regardless due to the holiday season? The problem is a lot of those gigs could be temporary. Then again, that’s the new normal for the Obama economy anyway.

Doughboy on December 4, 2013 at 2:35 PM

That’s what I’m thinking. Even in transportation you’re going to need a whole bunch of temps for the increased holiday travels. Let’s wait until February and see how many of these 215K lose their jobs come first week in January.

rbj on December 4, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Raise the minimum wage
-obama

cmsinaz on December 4, 2013 at 2:43 PM

could be temporary.
Doughboy on December 4, 2013 at 2:35 PM

I used to own a retail store 4 temps from late Oct to 2nd week of Jan.

MontanaMmmm on December 4, 2013 at 2:44 PM

Raise the minimum wage
-obama

cmsinaz on December 4, 2013 at 2:43 PM

Raise the minimum wage AND sign up for Obamacare.

Gatsu on December 4, 2013 at 2:46 PM

OT: bashir resigns from msdnc

Heh

cmsinaz on December 4, 2013 at 2:46 PM

OT: bashir resigns from msdnc

Heh

cmsinaz on December 4, 2013 at 2:46 PM

That darn Palin. Costing this economy yet another job.

Doughboy on December 4, 2013 at 2:47 PM

Yepper gatsu cuz it’s going to help the economy or something

cmsinaz on December 4, 2013 at 2:47 PM

Doughboy :)

cmsinaz on December 4, 2013 at 2:48 PM

Martin Bashir just resigned from MSDNC. Maybe he can get one of those sweet jobs as an elf at the Paramus Mall.

Happy Nomad on December 4, 2013 at 2:48 PM

Martin Bashir just resigned from MSDNC. Maybe he can get one of those sweet jobs as an elf at the Paramus Mall.

Happy Nomad on December 4, 2013 at 2:48 PM

BREAKING: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/12/04/martin-bashir-resigns-from-msnbc/

davidk on December 4, 2013 at 2:48 PM

Beaten by a nose.

davidk on December 4, 2013 at 2:49 PM

Rush just said bashir and Baldwin will end up at Al Jazeera

Lol

cmsinaz on December 4, 2013 at 2:49 PM

HN :)

cmsinaz on December 4, 2013 at 2:50 PM

OT: bashir resigns from msdnc

Heh

cmsinaz on December 4, 2013 at 2:46 PM

Beaten by two lengths.

davidk on December 4, 2013 at 2:50 PM

That darn Palin. Costing this economy yet another job.

Doughboy on December 4, 2013 at 2:47 PM

Please don’t do that. It attracts trolls.

The mere mention of SP is like chumming the waters in search of sharks. Really stupid sharks.

Happy Nomad on December 4, 2013 at 2:51 PM

DK :)

cmsinaz on December 4, 2013 at 2:51 PM

Everyone who is dumb enough to work now holds two part time jobs!

Hurray Obama!

forest on December 4, 2013 at 2:52 PM

CNBC’s pretty stoked about these results

The Obamanomics channel. Now wonder they’re losing viewers.

rickv404 on December 4, 2013 at 2:52 PM

Unless they strip out temporary jobs this number is meaningless. I live within 20 minutes of regional UPS and FEDEX hubs, along with a major Amazon Fulfillment center. They have been hiring like mad for the last few weeks.

They are all running three full shifts 24/7 now. The traffic is so congested at shift change, the police close the road to let them out. It wont be that way after 1 January as all of those jobs are temporary jobs.

Johnnyreb on December 4, 2013 at 2:54 PM

Rush just said bashir and Baldwin will end up at Al Jazeera

Lol

cmsinaz on December 4, 2013 at 2:49 PM

Bashir would be lucky to be hired to do the weather somewhere in flyover country. Think about it, that wasn’t just an ad lib comment (like Baldwin’s rant against the gays). That attack on Palin was SCRIPTED. What idiot network is going to hire somebody with such poor judgement?

Happy Nomad on December 4, 2013 at 2:55 PM

Martin Bashir just resigned from MSDNC. Maybe he can get one of those sweet jobs as an elf at the Paramus Mall.

Happy Nomad on December 4, 2013 at 2:48 PM

I’m betting he becomes 0bama’s spokesman once Jay Carney’s ass falls off from lying.

DRayRaven on December 4, 2013 at 2:56 PM

HN believe me they will…..maybe join Katie at Yahoo

cmsinaz on December 4, 2013 at 2:57 PM

Rush just said bashir and Baldwin will end up at Al Jazeera

Lol

cmsinaz on December 4, 2013 at 2:49 PM

CNN is now under Martin’s old boss, Jeff Zucker…just say’n

Deafdog on December 4, 2013 at 3:03 PM

So how many of those “jobs” will be around in January?

GarandFan on December 4, 2013 at 3:09 PM

Please don’t do that. It attracts trolls.

The mere mention of SP is like chumming the waters in search of sharks. Really stupid sharks.

Happy Nomad on December 4, 2013 at 2:51 PM

Sorry, but I’m sick of her destructive tendencies. She already lost Katie Couric her old gig at CBSNews. How many jobs is this horrible woman gonna cost this economy? Especially when Obama is working so hard to get us out of the hole Bush left us in.

(BTW, if you actually agree with one word of what I just wrote, please stop breathing. Forever.)

Doughboy on December 4, 2013 at 3:14 PM

Zandy is a Democratic shill, Pelosi’s “favorite economist.”

Enough said.

matthew8787 on December 4, 2013 at 3:18 PM

My best friends mother was laid off 2 days ago..after 25 years
at the same hospital. They let 40 people go.

bazil9 on December 4, 2013 at 3:27 PM

Overall, though, this is still a stagnation figure, and it’s probably going to have no impact on the 36-year low in the civilian workforce participation rate that actually measures employment in the context of population.

Always with the negative waves, man.

Chris of Rights on December 4, 2013 at 3:28 PM

For the first time in almost a year, the ADP Employment Report shows above-200K growth in private-sector job creation.

You mean back to the largest shopping time of the year that was um…about a year ago??

“Unexpected!!”

KMC1 on December 4, 2013 at 3:28 PM

Just like 0gabe’s approval numbers and Unaffordable H’Care enrollments, these numbers are inflated.

freedomfirst on December 4, 2013 at 3:31 PM

As I recall, the ADP figures have been historically higher than the DOL figures that come out later.

yesiamapirate on December 4, 2013 at 3:35 PM

It’s the best month since last November’s 276,000 jobs-added result,

Which means we’ve had nothing but stagnation the last year. Gallup agrees, even as they noted that their “job creation index” (the percentage of respondents who say their companies are hiring less the percentage of respondents who say their companies are firing) is at +20 for the first time in the 6 Novembers they conducted that survey (it was +18 in November 2012).

Related – expect a heavy dose of Gallup the next 2 days from your temporary economics correspondent.

Steve Eggleston on December 4, 2013 at 3:46 PM

Unless they strip out temporary jobs this number is meaningless. I live within 20 minutes of regional UPS and FEDEX hubs, along with a major Amazon Fulfillment center. They have been hiring like mad for the last few weeks.

They are all running three full shifts 24/7 now. The traffic is so congested at shift change, the police close the road to let them out. It wont be that way after 1 January as all of those jobs are temporary jobs.

Johnnyreb on December 4, 2013 at 2:54 PM

I’m pretty sure we’ll have a critical look at the temp numbers. After all, that’s one of the things Tom Blumer taught me.

Steve Eggleston on December 4, 2013 at 3:49 PM

Meanwhile, over at Daily Job Cuts they’re showing that jewelry stores, restaurants, mom/pop retail stores, chain stores, factories, distribution centers, hardware stores, furniture stores are shutting down left and right over the last few years. Hospitals and even colleges and churches have been laying off people. Many businesses that have shuttered recently had been in businesses for forty to 100+ years.

Shoot, even thrift stores are shutting down if you can believe it. Many banks are closing down some of their branches.

The reality doesn’t seem to correlate to these government numbers they keep feeding us. Everything seems to indicate that money to spend on luxuries/hobbies has been evaporating, and that Americans in general are spending much less all the time.

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 4, 2013 at 4:09 PM

And all of them were to get Obama’s web site a workin’.

jukin3 on December 4, 2013 at 4:09 PM

More FAIL

TX-96 on December 4, 2013 at 4:11 PM

I’m pretty sure that having middle class health insurance premiums doubling will fix the job market. And by fix I mean what they do to dogs.

jukin3 on December 4, 2013 at 4:12 PM

Raise the minimum wage AND sign up for Obamacare.

Gatsu on December 4, 2013 at 2:46 PM

Raise the minimum wage AND sign up for Obamacare AND double the federal gas tax.

jukin3 on December 4, 2013 at 4:13 PM

It’s just a good thing we have a Democrat president, or this might be called a “jobless recovery.”

There Goes the Neighborhood on December 4, 2013 at 4:18 PM

Zandi is a big Obama supporter. In fact I think he’s a bundler. Remember that. He has gone on CNBC for last 5 years cheer leading the economy.

Hummer53 on December 4, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Many banks are closing down some of their branches.

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 4, 2013 at 4:09 PM

That’s the ATMs’ fault.

Steve Eggleston on December 4, 2013 at 4:28 PM

…when is the revision …downward?

KOOLAID2 on December 4, 2013 at 4:48 PM

Many banks are closing down some of their branches.

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 4, 2013 at 4:09 PM

That’s the ATMs’ fault.

Steve Eggleston on December 4, 2013 at 4:28 PM

No, it isn’t the ATMs according to the new narrative of chumps like Margaret Talbot on the other thread. She’s the woman who was trotted out to read the cue cards about being angry of paying more for insurance until she realized that she was really helping the collective.

In that spirit, the problem is not with the ATMs (who have gotten a bad rap these last five years). Look in the mirror, the problem is us! We use ATMs instead of going into a bank branch, wait in a long line, and use a human being to conduct our banking business. Admit it, using an ATM is really wanting Obama to fail!

Happy Nomad on December 4, 2013 at 5:01 PM

Happy Nomad on December 4, 2013 at 5:01 PM

I was merely quoting President Jake Blues.

Steve Eggleston on December 4, 2013 at 5:37 PM

Americans do not need jobs, their president is black!!!!!!

Murphy9 on December 4, 2013 at 6:00 PM

Happy Nomad on December 4, 2013 at 5:01 PM

I’m a little surprised that after all these years, you can’t get specific denominations from an ATM machine-at least none of the ones I’ve seen.

Anyway, the reason that there is often long lines is that most customers want to deal with another person, and not a machine. Sometimes it is actually easier to deal with a person than the ATM for certain transactions. Ordering online is a great thing, but still people like to go into stores, chat with the clerks, handle items, browse the aisles and so on. It’s an experience, not just about buying a specific item or items.

If you find out that most of your customers like purple carpet with orange polka dots, then you put down purple carpet with orange polka dots. Pleasing the customers and making them feel good about your products and business leads to sales and profit.

I think that companies are increasingly doing what’s best for them rather than what’s best for the customer. For example, I think Sears closing down their catalog operations twenty some years ago was a terrible idea. So what if it wasn’t as profitable as the CEOs would have like? Millions of loyal Sears customers liked the catalog/Wish Book. The feelings of the customer counts for everything-not what the company thinks should be the way the customer chooses to transact their business.

Sears also went to phone kiosks for credit problems. The customers didn’t like that. I know, I was there and had the unenviable task of often directing customers with credit problems and questions to those stupid kiosks. I worked in catalog, too, by the way.

Then there was the ridiculous interest rates that Sears charged on their credit cards. Charge 1/2 a percent or even zero…the point is to make it more convenient for customers to spend their money in you store.

And where is Sears now?

So, what often makes sense concerning bottom line and efficiency isn’t always what works. Companies need to pay attention to their customers and please them and that includes banks.

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 4, 2013 at 7:39 PM

How many of these jobs are full-time and how many are part-time?

TeresainFortWorth on December 4, 2013 at 9:05 PM