Video: Pro-abortion protest against Catholics in Argentina as classy as you’d expect

posted at 3:21 pm on December 3, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

This gives a new meaning to the phrase “crotch shots,” but it’s not a pleasant change, as you’ll see in this video from Argentina.  Last week, pro-abortion activists marched on the cathedral in San Juan de Cuyo as Catholics surrounded the building in prayer to protect it from violence.  The protesters took out their rage on the faithful, spray-painting their faces and, er, aiming lower in some cases:

A graphic video from Argentina is making the rounds of the Internet today showing violent protests with pro-abortion activists attacking pro-life people praying at a Catholic Church.

The abortion activists attempted to storm the Cathedral of San Juan Bautista (John the Baptist) in Argentina late last month.

Taken in San Juan de Cuyo, Argentina sometime between November 23 and 25, the video shows, as described on YouTube, “feminists and their male peers bellow[ing] noisy and anti-Catholic slogans drawing through the city. In retaliation, 1500 young Catholics formed a human shield around the Cathedral to prevent about 7000 antagonists from storming the Archdiocesan Church.”

The video shows topless women spray painting the people praying — in their faces and putting Nazi swastikas on their clothing.

So where were the police? Oh, they were there … but the victims were the wrong gender, or something:

The police indicated they would not help the pro-life Catholics in front of the church because the protestors were women.

After watching the video, one might guess that the police were intimidated by the sheer size of the protest.  Clearly, they didn’t want to intervene on behalf of some people who were turning themselves into passive human shields to protect their place of worship. It’s not as if they had been taken by surprise, though, because this happens every year in Argentina for its National Meeting of Women, and a trek to defile the local cathedral is always on the agenda.

It happened last year in October:

Around 500 abortion activists in Posadas hurled insults, spat and threw paint on young Catholics who prayed the Rosary outside the local cathedral and prevented the demonstrators from entering.

The activists convened in the city Oct. 7 for the 27th National Meeting of Women in Argentina.

According to local media, the group march through the city, painting homes and streets with slogans in support of abortion and homosexual marriage as well as anti-Catholic slurs.

Some activists reportedly stripped naked, while others made sexual gestures at the young people standing in prayer outside the Cathedral of Posadas.

CNA also reported on it in 2009, when the route did get detoured away from the local cathedral:

The self-titled “National Meeting of Women,” which recently took place in Tucuman, Argentina, was not the exclusive domain of pro-abortion propaganda as in recent years, but this year was attended by a well-prepared group of women who spoke up in defense of life and against abortion.

In a report issued by the Christian Family Movement, analyst Eduardo Zavalia said the feminists who organized this event were shocked, as they had been accustomed to “doing and saying whatever they wanted and telling others what to say.” This year, he recounted, they were met with a group of women “firm in their values and large enough in numbers to be a majority in most of the workshops.”

“In some workshops, overcome by mere reason, abortion activists resorted to physically removing those who defended life,” the report said.

Even the usual violent and anti-Catholic march organized by abortion supporters was detoured this year in order to avoid passing in front of the cathedral where they usually harassed the faithful.

They weren’t so lucky in 2008:

A video posted on YouTube.com put on full display the ferocity of abortion supporters who were participating in the National Meeting of Women in the Argentinean city of Neuquen last August. It shows them harassing and insulting a group of Catholic young people who were standing outside the Cathedral of Neuquen to keep the church safe from the protests.

The National Meeting of Women is a feminist event that takes place each year to pressure authorities to legalize abortion and to promote reproductive rights and gender ideology.

Financed by anti-life NGOs and supported by the government of Argentinean president Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner, the meeting brings together pro-abortion, feminist, homosexual and left-wing organizations.

The meeting usually ends with a protest through the streets of the host city, with organizers planning the route to include a stop at the local cathedral. This year, in order to keep protestors from trashing the cathedral grounds, a group of young people from Neuquen stood outside the cathedral to pray and form a barrier against the protestors.

That’s why the Catholics in the diocese were ready to protect their church. It’s not much of a mystery why the police weren’t prepared to protect them from these attacks, though, as the Kirchner government supports the thugs rather than the peaceful people they attack.

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Animals in need of being put down.

Bmore on December 3, 2013 at 5:41 PM

Just to be clear. The above comment is what I see when watching the video. Rabid Animals.

Bmore on December 3, 2013 at 5:42 PM

See? This, my friends, is what a war on Christians looks like.

I’m not a man so could I get away with giving one of these “women” a accidental elbow to the upper region.

MontanaMmmm on December 3, 2013 at 3:36 PM

If some thug is spraying a toxic substance into your eyes, neither your gender nor your attacker’s gender matters. You have the right to defend yourself. Remember that bullies continue until someone stands up to them.

bmmg39 on December 3, 2013 at 5:44 PM

Ed’s links seem to tell of other years with similar concerns, but not much horror or damage inflicted upon any churches or worshipers, aside from some spray paint.
verbaluce on December 3, 2013 at 5:39 PM

So what do you deem is the acceptable amount of damage and destruction that vandals can visit, without consequence, on Christian places of worship?

whatcat on December 3, 2013 at 5:46 PM

Illinidiva on December 3, 2013 at 5:20 PM

Look there have always been schismatics within the church.

SSPX is an extreme faction and is headed for whatever because they refused Benedict XVI who tried to heal the breach.

Not all Traditionalists are as extreme as SSPX or sympathize with them because they are schismatics.

Mel Gibson’s Daddy is kind of a nutcase…but that’s just my opinion and frankly he’s Mel’s problemo.

Most Traditionalists wanted the Latin Mass available which it had not been for 30 years and they were concerned that this would be lost so they campaigned for this to be taught in seminaries.

Most traditionalists are concerned about Architecture,Communion in the hand,Awful Guitar Masses,face to face confessionals and the loss of Catholic Culture within the Church and her schools etc.

Pope Benedict XVI recognized these concerns. Pope Francis has a different reform agenda but I doubt he’ll stop what Benedict XVI initiated which began to heal the breach…He seems to have a different focus pastorally in that regard.

workingclass artist on December 3, 2013 at 5:49 PM

I’m just saying what I’ve read on these blogs. I hesitate to post them here because they are veering on hate sites.

In other words, you’re getting all your information from blogs that may or may not be providing an accurate picture.

blink on December 3, 2013 at 5:43 PM

Have you heard about Puerto Rico’s Bigfoot? I found it on a blog, so it has to be true.

whatcat on December 3, 2013 at 5:51 PM

Well not totally naked.
But seriously, again I reject and abhor the behavior (of the feminist paraders). I’m against yahoos of all stripes.
And I noted above that indeed the vigil guys could well have legitimate reason to protect the church.
Ed’s links seem to tell of other years with similar concerns, but not much horror or damage inflicted upon any churches or worshipers, aside from some spray paint.

verbaluce on December 3, 2013 at 5:39 PM

Ok 1/2 naked.

My point is that in days of Yore…Parades of this type were organized exactly to invite mayhem.

It’s an old tactic.

Two examples in history:

Passion Plays in Medieval Europe regularly turned into mayhem targeted at Jewish Ghettos.

This is why they were eventually outlawed by the Church because they fed pogroms.

The Protestants in Northern Ireland used to have an Orange Parade in Catholic Neighborhoods to incite mayhem.

My point is that the activists didn’t need to confront the prayer vigil…But they did because the point of their parade was to cause mayhem…see above examples.

workingclass artist on December 3, 2013 at 6:00 PM

workingclass artist on December 3, 2013 at 5:49 PM

I think that boat has pretty much already sailed with V2. The importance and influence of the Church has been in a downgill slide ever since. I can remember a time when a thumbs down from Holy See could get a book or movie banned. I recall when Fulton Sheen was a beloved tv “star”. The continuing downward spiral has been going on for quiet a while.

whatcat on December 3, 2013 at 6:01 PM

I’ve only learned much about traditional Catholicism since Francis’ election, and the sites I’ve visited don’t confirm a pretty picture.

Illinidiva on December 3, 2013 at 5:20 PM

What sites are you visiting to learn about “traditional Catholicism”? Are the sites biased either way?

I’m just saying what I’ve read on these blogs. I hesitate to post them here because they are veering on hate sites.

In other words, you’re getting all your information from blogs that may or may not be providing an accurate picture.

blink on December 3, 2013 at 5:43 PM

I don’t think Illinidiva has delved into the issues much.

workingclass artist on December 3, 2013 at 6:03 PM

Have you heard about Puerto Rico’s Bigfoot? I found it on a blog, so it has to be true.

whatcat on December 3, 2013 at 5:51 PM

The long, flowing, blonde hair looks good on bigfoot, like a hairy Fabio.

DFCtomm on December 3, 2013 at 6:03 PM

The long, flowing, blonde hair looks good on bigfoot, like a hairy Fabio.
DFCtomm on December 3, 2013 at 6:03 PM

Yeah, he’s a dreamboat.

whatcat on December 3, 2013 at 6:08 PM

I think that boat has pretty much already sailed with V2. The importance and influence of the Church has been in a downgill slide ever since. I can remember a time when a thumbs down from Holy See could get a book or movie banned. I recall when Fulton Sheen was a beloved tv “star”. The continuing downward spiral has been going on for quiet a while.

whatcat on December 3, 2013 at 6:01 PM

There is a resurgence in Traditional Catholic Architecture reform.

http://www.crisismagazine.com/2012/a-tale-of-two-cathedrals-why-traditional-versus-modernist-tells-only-part-of-the-story

workingclass artist on December 3, 2013 at 6:09 PM

There is a resurgence in Traditional Catholic Architecture reform.

http://www.crisismagazine.com/2012/a-tale-of-two-cathedrals-why-traditional-versus-modernist-tells-only-part-of-the-story

workingclass artist on December 3, 2013 at 6:09 PM

Interesting. I’m into architecture, so the differing styles of the misc denominations/eras is a fascinating area to read about.

whatcat on December 3, 2013 at 6:15 PM

MontanaMmmm on December 3, 2013 at 4:27 PM

verbaluce on December 3, 2013 at 4:27 PM

lol

Del Dolemonte on December 3, 2013 at 6:17 PM

whatcat on December 3, 2013 at 6:01 PM

Checkout the restoration of this church.

http://www.mccreryarchitects.com/portfolio/liturgical/st-bernadette-church/

Gotta start somewhere…

http://www.thesacredarts.org/architecture.html

workingclass artist on December 3, 2013 at 6:18 PM

MontanaMmmm on December 3, 2013 at 4:27 PM

Ha.
Please share where you got that desperate list.

verbaluce on December 3, 2013 at 4:34 PM

lol

Del Dolemonte on December 3, 2013 at 6:19 PM

Own Kermit Gosnell, hypocrite.

NotCoach on December 3, 2013 at 4:37 PM

Nah, he’s all yours.

verbaloon on December 3, 2013 at 4:52 PM

This is your brain on O’bama.

A+

Del Dolemonte on December 3, 2013 at 6:21 PM

Interesting. I’m into architecture, so the differing styles of the misc denominations/eras is a fascinating area to read about.

whatcat on December 3, 2013 at 6:15 PM

It’s been a veritable desert since Vatican II for traditional artists…craftsmen…and architects.

I think the restoration of Churches in the Former Soviet Union got people thinking.

There is a new appreciation for Catholic Culture within the Church and I don’t think this has to be the negative that is portrayed by the media.

Some architects like Stroik have done great work restoring interiors of Post Modern Churches in the US.

He’s linked at the site above but here’s the link to his website.

http://www.stroik.com/

workingclass artist on December 3, 2013 at 6:24 PM

workingclass artist on December 3, 2013 at 6:18 PM

Cool pics. I’m not Catholic, but I love the grandeur of the churches, basilicas and such. My first church met in a former storefront (old pic). Good church, but not overwhelming in the architecture dept, lol.

whatcat on December 3, 2013 at 6:28 PM

whatcat on December 3, 2013 at 6:15 PM

Until the Post Modern era Catholic Churches were designed and built based on styles historic to regions and eras within Church History.

The Church I go to was completed in 1907 and is fairly Romanesque…The Church 15 miles away dated to about the same time is Northern Gothic.

workingclass artist on December 3, 2013 at 6:32 PM

workingclass artist on December 3, 2013 at 6:32 PM

It’s nice to be in a church that has some character and a sense of connectivity to the past. It’s not just some cement, iron and glass that somebody threw together.

In general architecture, homes/businesses, I have a fondness for mid-century modern to about 1970.

whatcat on December 3, 2013 at 6:43 PM

How does this:

The National Meeting of Women is a feminist event that takes place each year to pressure authorities to legalize abortion and to promote reproductive rights and gender ideology.

mesh with this:

It’s not much of a mystery why the police weren’t prepared to protect them from these attacks, though, as the Kirchner government supports the thugs rather than the peaceful people they attack.

?

Count to 10 on December 3, 2013 at 7:14 PM

It’s nice to be in a church that has some character and a sense of connectivity to the past. It’s not just some cement, iron and glass that somebody threw together.

In general architecture, homes/businesses, I have a fondness for mid-century modern to about 1970.

whatcat on December 3, 2013 at 6:43 PM

Well I grew up in my fair share of Post Modern Catholic Churches…Most of which were ugly and lost the purpose of the Sacred intent that was Traditional. I’ve been in some where the only way you knew it was Catholic were the Stations of the Cross.

In Traditional Catholic Architecture the form follows Liturgical principles…Just as the Ornament and the Furniture down to The Vestments worn by the celebrants all follow Liturgical Principles.

Some Modernists sought to re-invent that after Vatican II cause who needs all that old stuff anyhow…They were unable or unwilling to see how this affected a real sense of loss of Catholic Culture that binds Catholics the world over.

Hopefully there is more balance coming.

workingclass artist on December 3, 2013 at 7:16 PM

Criminalize or further restrict access to abortion services, and you’ll have a Gosnell in every city.
Don’t let that happen.
 
verbaluce on December 3, 2013 at 4:52 PM

 
Remember that time you were trying to convince us about how you *didn’t* believe he was a freedom fighter?

rogerb on December 3, 2013 at 7:18 PM

Let me be clear…the paraders/mob were indeed behaving abhorrently. But as this event happens every year and is held by and run by these feminists, it seems that perhaps those praying were provoking more than protecting.
What was the threat on the church?
Maybe there’s some history or specific incident in the past, I don’t know. But my guess is the yahoos would have paraded right past the church but for those activists who had arranged the prayer vigil.
Let’s all not be so fooled all the time?

verbaluce on December 3, 2013 at 4:44 PM

Your posts are usually good, but I think you missed a detail here. There does appear to enough of tradition of anti-Church violence by these feminists that the men did have a serious motivation to protect the church.
I think we have to admit the feminists were the aggressors and the only flaw of the men protecting the church is that they were too passive. I think it is fine for a man to punch a woman who is spray painting his face. Spray paint can seriously injure an eye. When a woman is seriously trying to injure a man, a man has a right to self-defense, and we shouldn’t allow evil to be done against us.

thuja on December 3, 2013 at 7:18 PM

Spray paint can seriously injure an eye.

thuja on December 3, 2013 at 7:18 PM

True.

It is toxic and when sprayed into faces it can blind and cause serious breathing problems.

Cleaning out mouths and noses of that stuff is not pleasant…ask any painter who discovers to his dismay he has a malfunctioning respirator.

workingclass artist on December 3, 2013 at 7:25 PM

But my guess is the yahoos would have paraded right past the church but for those activists who had arranged the prayer vigil.
Let’s all not be so fooled all the time?

verbaluce on December 3, 2013 at 4:44 PM

Every day, in every way, you just seem to try to outdo your previous idiocy. You really are a fool…all the time.
And a coward, as well.

Solaratov on December 3, 2013 at 7:36 PM

Own Kermit Gosnell, hypocrite.

NotCoach on December 3, 2013 at 4:37 PM

Nah, he’s all yours.
A horror and an anomaly brought into existence.
Criminalize or further restrict access to abortion services, and you’ll have a Gosnell in every city.
Don’t let that happen.

verbaluce on December 3, 2013 at 4:52 PM

Sorry ’bout that, coward…but gosnell is ALL yours. You and your type created him. You nurtured him. You protected him; and you defended him.

And now, you’re too cowardly to accept responsibility.
There were NO restrictions of access where gosnell had his abattoir. There was no criminalization of abortion.
You’re a liar and a coward.

In a sane world, gosnell would already have been hung. But in the dystopian world that you leftists are trying to create, he’s your hero. A “victim”.

Solaratov on December 3, 2013 at 7:47 PM

It’s not much of a mystery why the police weren’t prepared to protect them from these attacks, though, as the Kirchner government supports the thugs rather than the peaceful people they attack.

?

Count to 10 on December 3, 2013 at 7:14 PM

The trouble with democracy is that sometimes the people elect terrible people like Kirchner, who romanticizes the violence of the Peron era and would like to return Argentina back to its bad old days. President Elizabeth Warren would try to take the United States to where Argentina is today.

thuja on December 3, 2013 at 7:55 PM

Criminalize or further restrict access to abortion services, and you’ll have a Gosnell in every city.
Don’t let that happen.

verbaluce on December 3, 2013 at 4:52 PM

Ever check the trash out behind planned parenthood in your city?

oldroy on December 3, 2013 at 8:34 PM

I don’t think Illinidiva has delved into the issues much.

workingclass artist on December 3, 2013 at 6:03 PM

Oh.. How condescending… How dare someone who disagrees with you have well-formed opinions.

Here is the main English link I am using.. http://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/ and the main Spanish one..
http://pagina-catolica.blogspot.com/ I apologize in advance for the ugliness on both sides. It makes me sad having to post them..

Here is the link about the “defense” of the Cathedral…

http://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2013/11/argentine-catholics-defend-cathedral.html

Here is the money quote

Also, Pagina Catolica had called in advance to defend the Cathedral of San Juan. The same Catholic Internet initiative, which had asked for protest against the profanation of the Cathedral of Buenos Aires by a syncretistic Jewish-interfaith “memorial liturgy”. In a statement describing the feminist aggression Pagina Catolica wrote: “On the other hand, we are aware: Even if the desecration of the church in San Juan could be prevented this time, we must not forget that it is the cathedral recently had not fared well when she was profaned, with the approval of Archbishop Alfonso Delgado, allowed celebration of a memorial liturgy for Kristallnacht ‘on 12 November.

So boys and girls.. Holocaust memorial services “desecrate” cathedrals as much as nutty feminists.

And here are some more links about this..
http://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2013/11/faithful-catholics-oppose-interfaith.html

And my all time favorite one.. Yep, the Holy Father totally isn’t angry about the disruption of a memorial service that he began in Buenos Aires led by his successor, AB Poli, and his BFF, Rabbi Skorka).

http://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2013/11/did-pope-francis-condemn-catholic.html

The anti-Semitic stuff on the page is lovely.. I especially enjoy the Dan Brown Jewish Synagogue- Free Mason connection. It is classic, but not very original. (As a sidenote, did you know that the traddies think that the Rotary Club is part of the evil Mason conspiracy?)

Illinidiva on December 3, 2013 at 9:50 PM

I wrote two long posts about the thuggery associated with the “defenders”. Why did they get eaten up?

Illinidiva on December 3, 2013 at 10:18 PM

thuja on December 3, 2013 at 3:33 PM

Abortion itself is murder, so your body count will always be higher.

joewm315 on December 3, 2013 at 10:24 PM

Verbal and Thuja in love. You’re both just pieces of shite.

CWchangedhisNicagain on December 3, 2013 at 10:49 PM

Criminalize or further restrict access to abortion services, and you’ll have a Gosnell in every city.
Don’t let that happen.
 
verbaluce on December 3, 2013 at 4:52 PM

 
And now, you’re too cowardly to accept responsibility.
There were NO restrictions of access where gosnell had his abattoir. There was no criminalization of abortion.
You’re a liar and a coward.
 
…he’s your hero. A “victim”.
 
Solaratov on December 3, 2013 at 7:47 PM

 
I’ve got to side with verbaluce on this one, Solaratov. Gosnell existed because Philadelphia, like Detroit, has struggled under the yoke of their oppressive one-party (R) leadership for decades.

rogerb on December 3, 2013 at 10:54 PM

Where’s a good 100 round Street Sweeper when you need one?

44Magnum on December 3, 2013 at 10:59 PM

I wrote two long posts about the thuggery associated with the “defenders”.
Illinidiva on December 3, 2013 at 10:18 PM

Yeah, where do they get off attacking cans of spray paint with their faces! Harumph!!

Meanwhile, in the real world:
“The parish priest Fr. Rómulo Campora said to the Diario de Cuyo that “the burning of the image of Pope Francis is an offense, not just to the Church but to every Argentinean because the pope is Argentinean.”

Praising the men who defended the church, he said: “San Juan loves its God, loves its faith, loves its family.

He lamented the damage done to the cathedral and concluded that “if they don’t respect life, we can’t expect them to respect the buildings.”

whatcat on December 3, 2013 at 11:02 PM

whatcat on December 3, 2013 at 11:02 PM

They are SSPX..

Please see the following sites.

http://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/

And this is the Spanish site.

http://pagina-catolica.blogspot.com/

I apologize in advance for some of the vileness on both sites. I had much longer posts, but they didn’t appear to go through.

Illinidiva on December 4, 2013 at 2:13 AM

whatcat on December 3, 2013 at 11:02 PM

Here is a kicker quote for me anyways in terms of the sites.. This is from the English one.

http://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2013/11/argentine-catholics-defend-cathedral.html

Also, Pagina Catolica had called in advance to defend the Cathedral of San Juan. The same Catholic Internet initiative, which had asked for protest against the profanation of the Cathedral of Buenos Aires by a syncretistic Jewish-interfaith “memorial liturgy”. In a statement describing the feminist aggression Pagina Catolica wrote: “On the other hand, we are aware: Even if the desecration of the church in San Juan could be prevented this time, we must not forget that it is the cathedral recently had not fared well when she was profaned, with the approval of Archbishop Alfonso Delgado, allowed celebration of a memorial liturgy for Kristallnacht ‘on 12 November.”

Both blogs believe that the church was “desecrated” by holding an interfaith service and Holocaust memorial. They also believe that the Church in San Juan was desecrated by holding a similar service to the one at Buenos Aires Cathedral. The priest and others should be careful who they get in bed with them. You will notice from reading the Pagina Catolica site that the bloggers there simply hate their former archbishop. They would have joined in burning him in effigy if nutty feminist protestors weren’t involved. The disruption of the service at Buenos Aires Cathedral was a direct challenge to Bergoglio. It was a service he initiated and was led by his rabbi friend and his successor as AB. While Ed, Lifesite, etc. didn’t know who the “protectors” were, I think that this really suggests that we need to understand the full story. I’m prolife, but I also don’t think that it is possible to be pro-life and be anti-Semitic. Being pro-life demands that we stand up for both the unborn and our Jewish brothers and sisters.

There is another Catholic blog that Dawn Eden on the Patheos site uncovered that mocks the Holocaust. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/feastofeden/2013/04/traditionalists-expert-on-pope-francis-is-holocaust-denier/

Both the site that “organized” the demonstration at San Juan, Pagina Catolica, and the other site, Panorama Catolico, are both swimming in anti-Semitism. Again, I apologize in advance for linking to such ugly sites- these sites really, really upset me. However, it is important to understand the truth that is going on.

Illinidiva on December 4, 2013 at 2:38 AM

The spawn of Satan have come out of the closet elsewhere I see.
Expect to be hated if you truly follow Christ. Nothing new, just more open than a few decades back. I suspect the days ahead will be the darkest in centuries.

Don L on December 4, 2013 at 6:06 AM

oiblockquote>The pro-life movement went through a phase of vandalism against abortion centers and rhetoric that lead to the murder of doctors. It is hardly in a position to condemn the excess of the pro-abortion activists. But I would agree that they shouldn’t be acting that way. Both sides should calm down a little and be more reasonable.

thuja on December 3, 2013 at 3:33 PM

The monster speaks.

zoyclem on December 4, 2013 at 7:42 AM

Feminazi

Mini-14 on December 4, 2013 at 8:03 AM

I don’t think Illinidiva has delved into the issues much.

workingclass artist on December 3, 2013 at 6:03 PM

Oh.. How condescending… How dare someone who disagrees with you have well-formed opinions.
Illinidiva on December 3, 2013 at 9:50 PM

According to you most Traditionalist Catholics are SSPX and Antisemitic. You also seem to have an axe to grind regarding Pope Benedict XVI or something.

This defense of the Cathedral described by Ed in the article above was not an organized SSPX event and that was confirmed by the man who heads SSPX South America, which I quoted upthread.

I’m just repeating what I heard on the blogs. . .

Illinidiva on December 3, 2013 at 4:53 PM

I’ve only learned much about traditional Catholicism since Francis’ election, and the sites I’ve visited don’t confirm a pretty picture.

Illinidiva on December 3, 2013 at 5:20 PM

Your comments speak for themselves.

workingclass artist on December 4, 2013 at 9:13 AM

The pro-life movement went through a phase of vandalism against abortion centers and rhetoric that lead to the murder of doctors

The “pro-life Movement” did no such thing–though a few sickos may have. Yours is the over-the-top rhetoric blaming all the good guys for the sins of the few.
Murder of the helpless innocent, is still murder, whether we legalize it or not. 55 million dead. How many abortionists did you say were murdered by pro-life people, in your cheap attempt to draw moral equivalency between shear evil and the morally just resistance to it?

Don L on December 4, 2013 at 9:13 AM

Both blogs believe that the church was “desecrated” by holding an interfaith service and Holocaust memorial. They also believe that the Church in San Juan was desecrated by holding a similar service to the one at Buenos Aires Cathedral.

I would not put holding an interfaith service on the same level as the desecration wrought by these scum pro-abortion protestors.

Never-the-less, no sort of “interfaith” service should ever be held in a Catholic Church. It is one thing to reach out to our separated brethren to try to bring them back into the fold, which is what true and proper ecumenism is all about. But is quite another thing to allow them to bring their false religions into a Catholic Church and pray with them as though the two faiths are somehow “equal.” They’re not.

Shump on December 4, 2013 at 9:18 AM

Illinidiva on December 3, 2013 at 3:54 PM

You are why Illinois is a sucky place to live.

Nutstuyu on December 4, 2013 at 9:21 AM

Those Catholics have way more self control than I. There would have been teeth flying

Bevan on December 4, 2013 at 9:35 AM

I’m just repeating what I heard on the blogs. . .

Illinidiva on December 3, 2013 at 4:53 PM

I’ve only learned much about traditional Catholicism since Francis’ election, and the sites I’ve visited don’t confirm a pretty picture.

Illinidiva on December 3, 2013 at 5:20 PM

Here’s a handy Catholic Blog Directory links to thousands of Catholic Blogs on the net.

http://catholicblogs.blogspot.com/

http://catholicblogs.weebly.com/blogs-by-clergy.html

http://catholicblogs.weebly.com/blogs-by-religious.html

http://stblogsparish.com/sbpd/

workingclass artist on December 4, 2013 at 9:41 AM

I’ve only learned much about traditional Catholicism since Francis’ election, and the sites I’ve visited don’t confirm a pretty picture.

Illinidiva on December 3, 2013 at 5:20 PM

It’s a big net and there are a lot of Catholic Blogs out there…some are good…some not so much.

Sample directory with links:

http://stblogsparish.com/sbpd/

workingclass artist on December 4, 2013 at 9:44 AM

Both blogs believe that the church was “desecrated” by holding an interfaith service and Holocaust memorial.

Illinidiva on December 4, 2013 at 2:38 AM

Yes, they feel it is a desecration to have a religion that believes differently to pray and worship in their church. That’s actually a pretty big deal for a true montheistic religion.

Shump on December 4, 2013 at 9:18 AM

What he said.

Perhaps these folks have gone overboard in some area – but please tell me how that impacts what we are shown in the video? Are you claiming (with thuja and such) they caused the difficulties? I am mostly interested in this event, and their actions here.

Try reading Ezekiel 18:20-24.

GWB on December 4, 2013 at 9:44 AM

According to you most Traditionalist Catholics are SSPX and Antisemitic. You also seem to have an axe to grind regarding Pope Benedict XVI or something.

This defense of the Cathedral described by Ed in the article above was not an organized SSPX event and that was confirmed by the man who heads SSPX South America, which I quoted upthread.

Did you read any of the links to the site that I provided you? I even highlighted the pertinent passage in English. I was told that I was uninformed, so I provided you with where I got my information about this. It appears that Pagina Catolica was behind both situations. This traditionalist site and another one, Panorama Catolico, seem to be associated with the SSPX in Argentina. So you are correct, the SSPX was behind both. It appears that they used different SSPX associated websites to get out the word about these “actions.” I’m sorry if the local priest and parishoners got caught up in the middle of this, but Catholics really need to be well informed about their allies and get rid of the nuts. One thing that suggests that the priest was very ill informed was the fact that he thought that the “demonstrators” in Argentina were somehow upset that the feminists were burning pictures of the Pope. Traditionalists in Argentina have a long history of hating Bergoglio if you click through the links provided. There is even a post called el apellido Bergoglio y el 666, which suggests that the Pope is the anti-Christ.

As for your other comments:

1. Traditionalists in Argentina appear to be very anti-Semitic because Argentine society has a troubling history with its Jewish population. Traditionalists in Europe also tend to be anti-Semitic because of Europe’s long and troubling history with its Jewish population. It behooves traditionalists in the U.S. to understand this and not dismiss it. Both Europe and parts of South America have more robust radical conservative Catholic traditions than the U.S.

2. My main beefs with Benedict were that he didn’t have the skills to be pope and he legitimized the SSPX. Just because I don’t think that Benedict had political and administrative skills to lead the Church doesn’t mean that I think he was a bad person. I just think that the Church would have been in better shape if Bergoglio had been elected in 2005 as he is clearly a better politician than his predecessor and clearly enjoys being pope much more than Benedict. It would have been a win for all involved.

Illinidiva on December 4, 2013 at 10:19 AM

So typical of “women” who choose to kill their children.

StevC on December 4, 2013 at 10:26 AM

Yes, they feel it is a desecration to have a religion that believes differently to pray and worship in their church. That’s actually a pretty big deal for a true montheistic religion.

So you believe that the future pope was regularly “desecrating” the Cathedral in Buenos Aires.. Because this service is an annual thing that was started by Bergoglio. It would be “desecration” if a rabbi was celebrating Mass. A prayer service that involved lighting candles and mourning a common tragedy isn’t the same as that.

What he said.

Perhaps these folks have gone overboard in some area – but please tell me how that impacts what we are shown in the video? Are you claiming (with thuja and such) they caused the difficulties? I am mostly interested in this event, and their actions here.

I highly doubt that they were innocent bystanders in this. Please read some of posts on the links I provided you. Do you really think that it is a good idea to be praising these people or allying with them? It is like partnering with the Westboro Baptist Church on pro-life causes. There are some allies that we are better not having.

Illinidiva on December 4, 2013 at 10:33 AM

Illinidiva on December 4, 2013 at 2:38 AM

Meh, it’s something you’ll have to take up with the parish priest who praised the church defender’s passive resistance against those who would thrash their church.

whatcat on December 4, 2013 at 11:39 AM

Illinidiva, so a group claims that the cathedral shouldn’t be defended from desecration, and that makes you claim:

1) That it was that group that was defending the cathedral; and

I provided you with links and blog posts associated with both incidents. It appears that the same group of people are behind both the incident at the Cathedral in Buenos Aires, where they disrupted an interfaith service and this confrontation at the Cathedral. They have claimed “responsibility” for both on their blog. I highlighted the pertinent English passage. If you go to the links that I’ve provided, you’ll realize that the blog is vile and associated with anti-Semitic ultra-conservative schismatic group called the SSPX.

2) That the group tricked/provoked the protestors into attacking them.

blink on December 4, 2013 at 11:10 AM

It appears that the SSPX bussed in protestors to the site. There were 1000+ people at the cathedral. I very much doubt that 1000+ local people would have been involved with this. And if you look at the links that I’ve provided you, you will notice that this isn’t a group of people who are into Gandhi. Both sides were spoiling for a fight.

Illinidiva, tell us again why the people that were being attacked are guilty and what they are guilty of.

You’ve proved volumes of reading that have yet to support your claim.

blink on December 4, 2013 at 11:12 AM

Please go to the links that I provided you. They are in Spanish, but you can probably use Google Translate to get a good gist of the content. Do you think that the content of this site, especially on Jews, is appropriate? The SSPX is essentially a high church version of the Westboro Baptist Church. Do you think that the local Right to Life organization should be partnering with the Westboro Baptist Church to end abortion?

Illinidiva on December 4, 2013 at 11:45 AM

Meh, it’s something you’ll have to take up with the parish priest who praised the church defender’s passive resistance against those who would thrash their church.

whatcat on December 4, 2013 at 11:39 AM

Considering that the protestors think that the priest is defiling the cathedral by holding inter faith vigils, perhaps he should reconsider any praise. And perhaps you should go to the links that I provided – Do you think that the pro-life movement should be allying or praising the Argentine version of the Westboro Baptist Church?

Illinidiva on December 4, 2013 at 11:48 AM

perhaps he should reconsider any praise
Illinidiva on December 4, 2013 at 11:48 AM

Considering his position, spiritually and geographically, I’ll go with his take rather than that of others. If he’s fine and dandy with it, no problem.

whatcat on December 4, 2013 at 12:00 PM

Matthew 5:10

Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Red Cloud on December 4, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Illinidiva, many muslim groups are anti-semitic or associated with groups that are anti-semitic. Now tell me what the reaction would be if the defenders had been muslims defending a mosque.

blink on December 4, 2013 at 12:48 PM

I would be all for helping to rough up Al Qaeda types or demonstrating against a hate Mosque.

Yeah, it really looked like the side getting spray painted and spit on were spoiling for a fight.

Logic is difficult for you.

Prior to the incident, the SSPX claimed that the cathedral had already been desecrated and said that it was stupid to bother defending it.

You are too easily duped by biased blogs that lie to advance their agenda.

blink on December 4, 2013 at 12:46 PM

I don’t get most of the stuff spewed out by neo-Nazi morons so no I don’t understand. However, it appears that these protestors were associated with an anti-Semitic fringe group in Argentina.

Illinidiva on December 4, 2013 at 2:08 PM

The sad fact is, as recently proved by China, these topless women will be kissing their breasts goodbye if they partake in having their children extracted from their wombs part by part. Strange irony.

elm on December 4, 2013 at 4:46 PM

Regardless of your inability to understand the composition of the people getting spray painted and spit on, you should explain why you are definitively claiming that they were spoiling for a fight because it’s certainly not obvious to anyone that’s rational, reasonable, and has an IQ over 70.
blink on December 4, 2013 at 2:22 PM

Lesson Number 1 in concocting a passable conspiracy theory: trying to make the victims of an attack into the villains is a Sisyphean undertaking.

whatcat on December 4, 2013 at 5:33 PM

Lesson Number 1 in concocting a passable conspiracy theory: trying to make the victims of an attack into the villains is a Sisyphean undertaking.

whatcat on December 4, 2013 at 5:33 PM

Did you actually read the sites that I posted? There were lots of fring-y types associated with this “action.”

1. So, you think that this was a hate cathedral?

2. Thanks for acknowledging that you actually support the tactics these protestors were using.

No.. But the SSPX are essentially the fundamentalist Islam of Catholic groups. And yep, I don’t really care that some little anti-Semitic snots who deny the Holocaust get few scrapes and bruises.

Illinidiva on December 5, 2013 at 7:40 AM

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