Quotes of the day

posted at 10:41 pm on December 3, 2013 by Allahpundit

Yesterday, I reported on the troubles I had accessing the new-and-improved HealthCare.gov. The Obama administration today said more than 1 million people accessed the site yesterday and that it was stable for users.

The president likewise touted the site’s performance today, part of a push to promote the law.

So I decided to try the site again this afternoon. This time, I didn’t see the “Please Wait” flags that bogged me down yesterday, but I had a more fundamental problem. When I got to the step of comparing health plans, I couldn’t see any.

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In what could become the next major headache for President Barack Obama’s signature domestic policy, a group representing leading U.S. insurers said on Tuesday that technology fixes that will enable millions of people to sign on to HealthCare.gov have not fully addressed faulty data that the site has been sending these companies about their new enrollees…

Daniel Durham, a vice president for policy and regulatory affairs at America’s Health Insurance Plans, a lobby group for health insurers, said companies were regularly receiving faulty enrollment forms. He did not give details on how frequently the errors were appearing…

“It’s a real problem for plans when the enrollment file never comes over, and then you get the consumer calling, and the plan has no record of that individual,” Durham said at a forum organized by Georgetown University and law firm Arent Fox. “Time is short. January 1 is coming around fairly quickly here.”

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Although Medicaid sign-ups through HealthCare.gov have been considered a rare bright spot in the flawed Obamacare rollout, the federal portal has been unable to send those Medicaid applications to the states for final processing. If states can’t receive and complete their work on Medicaid applications by the end of the year, people could go without Medicaid coverage in early 2014 despite having an eligibility determination

States are concerned that many of the flat files they’ve received from HealthCare.gov don’t indicate whether applicants have also attempted to enroll in Medicaid directly through a local agency, leaving states vulnerable to duplicate sign-ups. And there’s been no end-to-end testing to gauge potential issues with the information states get. Complicating the issue further is the work many states are doing to rebuild their own Medicaid eligibility systems to align with new Obamacare requirements.

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The administration has given up on success, as it might once have defined it. The object is no longer 7 million people signed up through the exchanges, with 2.7 million of them young and healthy, and the health-care cost curve bending back toward the earth. It is to keep the program alive until 2015. The administration’s priorities are, first, to keep Democrats from undoing the individual mandate or otherwise crippling the law; second, to keep insurers from raising premiums or exiting the marketplace; third, to tamp down loose talk about the failures on the exchanges; and, only fourth, to get to the place where it used to think it would be this year, with lots of people signed up for affordable insurance. It is now measuring the program’s success not by whether it meets its goals, but by whether it survives at all. And all of its choices are oriented toward this new priority.

You can see this in the decisions the administration made about fixing HealthCare.gov: It focused on the part that voters can see, even though the part that accurately transmits data to insurers is arguably more important — is it better, or actually worse, to “sign up” a bunch of people when you can’t get that information to the insurers who need to write the actual policies? You can see it in the strategic delays, particularly the delay of the open enrollment deadline until after the 2014 elections. And you can see it in how the administration is treating insurers. As plan cancellations became a big political problem, the administration looked like it was preparing to blame insurers, which has been a very successful political tactic for them in the past. But it quickly walked that back, because with the program’s survival on the line, it needed insurers on board. That’s why the administration is looking to get extra money to the insurers; it’s the sweetener it needs to forbear little things such as possibly not getting accurate enrollment data, or payments, for months.

From the administration’s perspective, this makes a lot of sense. A program that survives until 2015 can hopefully be fixed. A program that is fatally damaged by Democratic or insurer defections definitely can’t.

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It’s a shock for most people that it’s a shambles. A fellow very friendly to the administration, a longtime supporter, cornered me at a holiday party recently to ask, with true perplexity: “How could any president put his entire reputation on the line with a program and not be on the phone every day pushing people and making sure it will work? Do you know of any president who wouldn’t do that?” I couldn’t think of one, and it’s the same question I’d been asking myself. The questioner had been the manager of a great institution, a high stakes 24/7 operation with a lot of moving parts. He knew Murphy’s law—if it can go wrong, it will. Managers—presidents—have to obsess, have to put the fear of God, as Mr. Obama says, into those below them in the line of authority. They don’t have to get down in the weeds every day but they have to know there are weeds, and that things get caught in them…

For four years I have been told, by those who’ve worked in the administration and those who’ve visited it as volunteers or contractors, that the Obama White House isn’t organized. It’s just full of chatter. Meetings don’t begin on time, there’s no agenda, the list of those invited seems to expand and contract at somebody’s whim. There is a tendency to speak of how a problem will look and how its appearance should be handled, as opposed to what the problem is and should be done about it. People speak airily, without point. They scroll down, see a call that has to be returned, pop out and then in again.

It does not sound like a professional operation. And this is both typical of White Houses and yet on some level extreme. People have always had meetings to arrange meetings, but the lack of focus, the lack of point, the sense that they are operating within accepted levels of incoherence—this all sounds, actually, peculiar.

And when you apply this to the ObamaCare debacle, suddenly it seems to make sense. The White House is so unformed and chaotic that they probably didn’t ignore the problem, they probably held a million meetings on it. People probably said things like, “We’re experiencing some technological challenges but we’re sure we’ll be up by October,” and other people said, “Yes, it’s important we launch strong,” and others said, “The Republicans will have a field day if we’re not.” And then everyone went to their next meeting. And no one did anything. And the president went off and made speeches.

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But within months, it may well be that abstract arguments over the nature of Obamacare will be trumped by the realities of the Affordable Care Act. Eventually, there will be stats and facts to consider: how many people receive insurance through the exchanges, what happens with premiums, the direction of health care costs, customer satisfaction, and the like. Though the results may be open to debate for a while, it is distinctly possible that one side or the other will be proven right (or wrong). If the website functions, millions sign up, and the health care market doesn’t crash, and premiums don’t zoom up—and this will be on top of the already existing benefits of Obamacare, including removing preexisting conditions restraints, allowing young adults to remain on their parents’ policies, reducing out-of-pocket prescription drug costs for seniors, and forcing insurance companies to devote a higher percentage of premiums to health care coverage—where will the Republicans be? Not only will they be failed doomsayers; they will have lost the No. 1 item on their why-you-should-vote-GOP list. Their anti-government crusade will be derailed. They will be a train without a motor.

Should Obamacare not work, then Obama’s vision—which reflects the progressive tradition of the past century—will be a flat tire. He will no longer be able to advance the cause of government activism. Expand Head Start? Create an infrastructure bank? Why should government be allowed (or trusted) to increase its reach? He can talk about helping the middle class. But how? The failed rollout of the website was a problem in so many ways but especially because it suggested that government cannot perform competently. A more extensive failure with Obamacare would suggest that government cannot be used in the manner Obama wishes to see it utilized.

What’s at stake in this never-ending debate over Obamacare are the foundational premises of each party.

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As I have said before, the Obama administration is likely in the midst of a four month project to properly fix and test this system. It will likely be at least late January or early February before not just HealthCare.gov but the other key information systems supporting the new law are built and repaired to just minimal standards…

My definition of a fixed HealthCare.gov is a site that encourages enrollment rather than discourages it. Time will tell––but only about three weeks time before the December 23 enrollment deadline for having coverage on January 1.

Maybe, however haltingly, we are finally getting to the main event. The day when people can get a good idea for themselves just what value Obamacare presents for them. The premiums, the deductibles and co-pays, as well as the provider networks. Not just the people who are now uninsured or have had their policy canceled, but also those who don’t need Obamacare today but think they might someday. All of them voters focused on finding out for themselves what this Obamacare thing really is.

Nobody can spin the main event.

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Via RCP.

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Is Sophie REALLY back?

PolAgnostic on December 3, 2013 at 10:42 PM

Oh … yeah …

Bishop!

PolAgnostic on December 3, 2013 at 10:42 PM

B9!!!!

KCB on December 3, 2013 at 10:42 PM

PolAgnostic on December 3, 2013 at 10:42 PM

Quickdraw!

KCB on December 3, 2013 at 10:43 PM

I do not understand WHY you folks won’t believe me when I tell you I am AP’s sock puppet?!?
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Alpha male twin?

PolAgnostic on December 3, 2013 at 10:43 PM

F@ck him

Electrongod on December 3, 2013 at 10:44 PM

“You have to get sick to see the difference ObamaCare will make!”

-Obama

portlandon on December 3, 2013 at 10:45 PM

Asshhooooole

Electrongod on December 3, 2013 at 10:45 PM

Quickdraw!

KCB on December 3, 2013 at 10:43 PM

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Well thanks, pardner!

You can just call me, Waco

PolAgnostic on December 3, 2013 at 10:45 PM

The Affordable Healthcare Act…..

Not affordable to the ones that had a plan…

F@ck you Barrack…

Electrongod on December 3, 2013 at 10:46 PM

Good day for conservatives and liberty advocates.

But don’t get cocky.

I skipped the quotes. As usual.

22044 on December 3, 2013 at 10:47 PM

Should Obamacare not work, then Obama’s vision—which reflects the progressive tradition of the past century—will be a flat tire. He will no longer be able to advance the cause of government activism.

He’ll get amnesty with the help of Boehner and McConnell.

Wethal on December 3, 2013 at 10:47 PM

F@ck him

Electrongod on December 3, 2013 at 10:44 PM


That’s Reggie Love’s job

PolAgnostic on December 3, 2013 at 10:47 PM

That’s Reggie Love’s job

PolAgnostic on December 3, 2013 at 10:47 PM

And the left wing media will shed a tear…..

Electrongod on December 3, 2013 at 10:48 PM

He’ll get amnesty with the help of Boehner and McConnell.

Wethal on December 3, 2013 at 10:47 PM

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Boehner and McConnel have to make it past their primaries before they try any of that sh1te …

… and I am thinking at least one of them won’t be standing for reelection come the fall …

… and the other may not be Speaker by spring.

PolAgnostic on December 3, 2013 at 10:50 PM

f@ck him Electrongod on December 3, 2013 at 10:44

I agree.

wolly4321 on December 3, 2013 at 10:51 PM

And the left wing media will shed a tear…..

Electrongod on December 3, 2013 at 10:48 PM

The left wing media would have their gag reflex tested …
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… again.

PolAgnostic on December 3, 2013 at 10:51 PM

Work harder. You are paying estimated subsidies to the insurance companies which stand with obama.

May they and obama go directly to Hell.

Schadenfreude on December 3, 2013 at 10:52 PM

obama looks like a dried turd. The guy next to him, Nurse Ratched and Valerie Jarrett didn’t believe a word he said.

He is physically and mentally sick.

The media will report this last.

Schadenfreude on December 3, 2013 at 10:53 PM

… again.

PolAgnostic on December 3, 2013 at 10:51 PM

The left wing media can tell you what he tastes like..

Pineapple…..

Or assh@le……

Electrongod on December 3, 2013 at 10:54 PM

I’m done with the socialist. All of them. I don’t want to hear it anymore.

Your plans will require force, and I will meet you with equal spirit.

I just will not go down your road.

wolly4321 on December 3, 2013 at 10:56 PM

Work harder. You are paying estimated subsidies to the insurance companies which stand with obama.

May they and obama go directly to Hell.

Schadenfreude on December 3, 2013 at 10:52 PM

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Well, the insurance companies stand an excellent chance of finding themselves encircled by the media, the public and politicians.

None of whom will be the least inclined to be merciful.

The smart health insurance executives are the ones who have had a “fallback option” put in place so when the tide turns … and their competitors are saying,

“It doesn’t matter that you repealed Obamacare, we simply CAN’T get the old policies back on line in time!”

Their companies will be the ones saying,

“Go to OUR website – because an insurance company is SUPPOSED to be prepared to help you with WORST CASE scenarios.”

PolAgnostic on December 3, 2013 at 10:58 PM

This gold-painted turd does not stink. I promise!

SouthernGent on December 3, 2013 at 10:59 PM

Late news from Reuters

Schadenfreude on December 3, 2013 at 11:01 PM

(Reuters) – President Barack Obama’s administration has found a short-term fix to pay insurance companies for plans selected on HealthCare.gov, the not-yet-complete government website used to shop for insurance required under Obama’s healthcare program.

The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) has not yet finished building the part of the website that would transfer billions of dollars in subsidies for plan premiums and cost-sharing payments to insurance companies.

It is part of a long technical to-do list that has so far focused on fixing the errors and lag times in the part of the website used by consumers.

Schadenfreude on December 3, 2013 at 11:03 PM

What a disaster, they’re just throwing stuff at it, anything and everything, trying to keep the mess alive; it’s a sad testament to what the 52%’ers elected.

If the back end ever does get working at all, the front end will collapse from the fixes and workarounds done to the back.

Bishop on December 3, 2013 at 11:04 PM

Late news from Reuters

Schadenfreude on December 3, 2013 at 11:01 PM

Small insurers also have a lot at stake as these new anticipated members are expected to make up a bigger portion of their total revenue. The individual business is only a small part of revenues at large insurers, which focus on employer-based coverage and private Medicare.

“They cannot survive if they don’t get paid. And even the larger carriers, it can only go on for so long,” Lucia said. “The last thing we need is for a carrier, especially a large carrier, to walk away from this.”

That’s not a bug.

Steve Eggleston on December 3, 2013 at 11:05 PM

I don’t understand how you guys stay up so late.

wolly4321 on December 3, 2013 at 11:06 PM

What a disaster, they’re just throwing stuff at it, anything and everything, trying to keep the mess alive; it’s a sad testament to what the 52%’ers elected.

If the back end ever does get working at all, the front end will collapse from the fixes and workarounds done to the back.

Bishop on December 3, 2013 at 11:04 PM

As I said, that’s not a bug.

Steve Eggleston on December 3, 2013 at 11:06 PM

That’s not a bug.

Steve Eggleston on December 3, 2013 at 11:05 PM

Never said it was.

It’s another lie. He declared all well in his Adolphean speech.

Schadenfreude on December 3, 2013 at 11:07 PM

I don’t understand how you guys stay up so late.

wolly4321 on December 3, 2013 at 11:06 PM

It’s “only” 10:07 pm here in the land of cheese, beer, and fill-ins for Ed.

Steve Eggleston on December 3, 2013 at 11:07 PM

“They cannot survive if they don’t get paid. And even the larger carriers, it can only go on for so long,” Lucia said. “The last thing we need is for a carrier, especially a large carrier, to walk away from this.”

That’s going to happen soon enough.

Then comes the first large employer to start dropping people from its in-house plans and the balloon goes up so fast it sets a speed record.

Bishop on December 3, 2013 at 11:08 PM

And of course Congress sits on its collective thumb twirling like retarded chimps while Dog Eater breaks any law he desires.

As others said earlier the dude seems to be suffering some sort of psychological break, his multitudinous (yes I said multitudinous) personal issues are manifesting themselves.

Bishop on December 3, 2013 at 11:12 PM

I’m done with the socialist. All of them. I don’t want to hear it anymore.

Your plans will require force, and I will meet you with equal spirit.

I just will not go down your road.

wolly4321 on December 3, 2013 at 10:56 PM

On the bright healthcare is free in prison and they have to give you want.

RickB on December 3, 2013 at 11:12 PM

Bernanke and that hag are just going to print dough, into the trillions, to sustain the idiots who were irresponsible.

The responsible people will be without insurance, will die, will be under or un-employed.

obama is a national cancer.

If the Rs had brains, alas, they’d run on “we need a super-majority in 2014 – otherwise the land is hosed. Period”.

Alas, the key ward is “If”.

Boehner hired an adviser today on amnesty.

Mark this down – you can buy lottery tickets on this – if amnesty passes soon, Pelosi will retake the hammer, for good earned reasons, in Jan. 2015.

Schadenfreude on December 3, 2013 at 11:13 PM

If the back end ever does get working at all, the front end will collapse from the fixes and workarounds done to the back.

Bishop on December 3, 2013 at 11:04 PM

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The collapse may come from what the media is reporting … but isn’t bright enough to understand the risk associated with it.

EVERYBODY … including the administration’s witnesses testifying to Congress have spoken to the complete lack of security on Halthcare.gov

What does that mean in real world, “black hat” terms?

a) Everyone stupid enough to put their SSN and other personal information on the website has just enabled a DOZEN new identity thieves? YAY!!! Just in time for Christmas!!!

b) The health insurance companies who are scrupulous about their web security have ENABLED the potential for the greatest “phishing” scam ever done against the insurance companies? Remember, the insurance companies are going to be LEANED ON to follow up on EVERY SINGLE “application” they get from Healthcare.gov – with no real security, why not just go in and add a few thousand false applications for policies that will be useable for a month or two BEFORE the insurance companies can clean them out?

c) Take the same data in the hands of the same black hats for item b … but now they call the “applicants” to confirm their data … including mandatory electronic billing.

I could go on … but why not just wait for it?

;->

PolAgnostic on December 3, 2013 at 11:16 PM

I just looked closely at that screen cap, the black woman looks like Patient Zero from a “Resident Evil” movie.

Bishop on December 3, 2013 at 11:16 PM

I don’t understand how you guys stay up so late.

wolly4321 on December 3, 2013 at 11:06 PM

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If I can’t convince people I’m AP’s sock puppet, what chance does my dark secret of vampirism stand of being believed?

PolAgnostic on December 3, 2013 at 11:18 PM

Since the ins. companies get to ‘estimate’ how much the taxpayers should send them, let us estimate how much NOT to send the IRS.

The subsidies system is an ‘honor system’. Illegals and all liars can get a subsidy from the site, which is a scam.

Now the ins. companies have an ‘honor system’ on how much they want.

We make it our ‘honor system’ on how much we don’t pay the gov’t.

This one guy from Cato today said something like this to congress “If the gov’t is not bound by the constitution, the people will learn that they aren’t either”.

Schadenfreude on December 3, 2013 at 11:20 PM

Did I miss a “War on Wimmins” on here the last few days?

No b9, ALT, Scrumpy, KWR, gg?

PolAgnostic on December 3, 2013 at 11:20 PM

on the bright healthcare is free in prison and they have to give you want. RickB on December 3, 2013 at 11:12 PM

I don’t think I’ll go that route. Gulags don’t suite my style.

I’m serious when I say when that starts happening,, the rules change.

wolly4321 on December 3, 2013 at 11:21 PM

Potemkin GlichSite shooting blanks.

VorDaj on December 3, 2013 at 11:21 PM

RWM is back, but not quite unpacked.

tafj is well and working again, “under water”, her own words.

Scrumpy might just be mad at obama and the world he creates, daily.

Schadenfreude on December 3, 2013 at 11:24 PM

Obama drives his car over a cliff edge and yells, “We’re not turning around, not as long as **I’m** driving!”

Lourdes on December 3, 2013 at 11:25 PM

Potemkin GlichSite shooting blanks.

VorDaj on December 3, 2013 at 11:21 PM

The site is just the front for the national asylum obama and his capos have created.

May they all go to Hell, together.

Schadenfreude on December 3, 2013 at 11:25 PM

Schadenfreude on December 3, 2013 at 11:24 PM

Yes I am and feel helpless… ):

Good evening all :)

Scrumpy on December 3, 2013 at 11:27 PM

Resist We Much on December 3, 2013 at 11:24 PM

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Hi, Sophie! I really liked the “Misfit Toys” one.

PolAgnostic on December 3, 2013 at 11:28 PM

Who keeps their pickles in boxes?

nobar on December 3, 2013 at 11:28 PM

PolAgnostic on December 3, 2013 at 11:18 PM

If you are a vampire can you please bite Veronica Von Horror so she stays in existence forever? The ink alone is worth whatever admission price she would charge me.

http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/1f/47/c5/1f47c540673269c888150c1d4c8d3791.jpg

Bishop on December 3, 2013 at 11:28 PM

Good evening all :)

Scrumpy on December 3, 2013 at 11:27 PM

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Evening, Scrumpy!

PolAgnostic on December 3, 2013 at 11:29 PM

There are no “fixes,” no magic bullets.

There was never any way to give away free coverage to a million new Medicaid parasites and mandate a laundry list of benefits over and above what most people find necessary and affordable and expect costs to be controllable.

Even if the 2.7 million young healthy people they need to enroll at roughly double the premium they would pay otherwise all sign up, that would only limit the increases in premiums. But the costs of care are going up and the availability is being reduced because of this law without regard to who signs up.

“It is the curious task of economics to teach men how little they know about the systems they would design.” ~ F.A. Hayek.

Adjoran on December 3, 2013 at 11:29 PM

It’s another lie. He declared all well in his Adolphean speech.

Schadenfreude on December 3, 2013 at 11:07 PM

About as convincingly as Chip Diller.

Steve Eggleston on December 3, 2013 at 11:30 PM

Oboobma: You Convince me NOT EVER!!!

Lying $%#@ of &*%& effing $%^*#!+ !!!

Scrumpy on December 3, 2013 at 11:33 PM

If you are a vampire can you please bite Veronica Von Horror so she stays in existence forever? The ink alone is worth whatever admission price she would charge me.

http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/1f/47/c5/1f47c540673269c888150c1d4c8d3791.jpg

Bishop on December 3, 2013 at 11:28 PM


Ahem
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Please note my symbol located on her lower right abdomen and partially hidden by the wall.

Really, old chap! The tattoo friendly ladies hardly object to another stick at all!

PolAgnostic on December 3, 2013 at 11:34 PM

Your plans will require force, and I will meet you with equal spirit.
I just will not go down your road.
wolly4321 on December 3, 2013 at 10:56 PM

Glad to hear I’m not alone.
I was musing today that I haven’t heard

“I SHALL NOT COMPLY”

from anyone for a month or so.

So many of the ‘big talkers’ from then, are now trying to figure out how to pay for it if they can even get signed up.

LegendHasIt on December 3, 2013 at 11:35 PM

Alpha male twin?

PolAgnostic on December 3, 2013 at 10:43 PM

The bolded section belies your claim :)

Hi Scrumpy

Schadenfreude on December 3, 2013 at 11:36 PM

His NPD is getting the best of him…

The cancer on the Presidency grows…

d1carter on December 3, 2013 at 11:36 PM

What does this drug do?

Just keep trying one after the other until you find one that makes the patient better, or at least shuts him up.

VorDaj on December 3, 2013 at 11:36 PM

LegendHasIt on December 3, 2013 at 11:35 PM

It is the Law, unfortunately, but I agree, peopl in their millions should be protesting, they won’t, like sheeple, they will comply, cuz on an individual basis, who wants to go to Jail?

We have to create momentum for people to want to come together and say, “I WILL NOT COMPLY“!!

Strength in numbers

Scrumpy on December 3, 2013 at 11:38 PM

Legend, I post this almost daily. Here it is for all the like-minded brothers and sisters. They better be in the millions.

I will not comply because I am a free citizen of the United States, not a subject of its government. I consider non-compliance with this monstrosity and the tens of thousands of pages of regulations that are to be enforced by an unelected bureaucracy, and that have left a gigantic carbon footprint on our environment and the United States Constitution, a duty.

Non-compliance is my executive order, and that order reads in part that I do not recognize any government’s claim on my action or inaction in the marketplace, nor upon any personal information I am unwilling to divulge.

Schadenfreude on December 3, 2013 at 11:39 PM

Frau Nurse Sebelius: “What does this drug do?”

Herr Doctor Obama: “Just keep trying one after the other until you find one that makes the patient better … … or at least shuts him up.”

VorDaj on December 3, 2013 at 11:39 PM

Scrumpy on December 3, 2013 at 11:38 PM

No way will anyone go to jail. The only way they can even keep the penalty from you, as the laws are today, is if they owe you a tax refund.

It’s hard to know what the SC will do. After Jan. 01, 2014, there s/b hundreds of more lawsuits, in addition to the ones which are already marching toward the SC now.

Schadenfreude on December 3, 2013 at 11:41 PM

Plus, as wolly and Legend said, molon labe.

Schadenfreude on December 3, 2013 at 11:42 PM

The bolded section belies your claim :)

Hi Scrumpy

Schadenfreude on December 3, 2013 at 11:36 PM

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Seriously, from before birth, one twin tends to dominate the other. One’s a conservative alpha, the other’s a squishy RINO used to “giving things up”.

And Eeyorism … lots of Eeyorism … he used it as an attention getting device with mom.

PolAgnostic on December 3, 2013 at 11:42 PM

I am so sick of hearing about all the subsidies people will be getting.
Where in the hell do they think the money is coming from for them.

You!

Barred on December 3, 2013 at 11:42 PM

“I WILL NOT COMPLY“!!

Strength in numbers

Scrumpy on December 3, 2013 at 11:38 PM

Hell no, I won’t go!

Hey hey, ho ho
BHO, how many medical plans have you canceled today?

VorDaj on December 3, 2013 at 11:43 PM

Schadenfreude on December 3, 2013 at 11:41 PM

No jail? I suppose not the way the law is structured in Obamacare…

But I think you and I know deep down, sheeple will sign up cuz, you know, they gotta have HC!!

There were no other options for them cuz they were dumb, and believed all the lies the dems and the c-in-c spouted…

Scrumpy on December 3, 2013 at 11:44 PM

Seriously, from before birth, one twin tends to dominate the other. One’s a conservative alpha, the other’s a squishy RINO used to “giving things up”.

And Eeyorism … lots of Eeyorism … he used it as an attention getting device with mom.

PolAgnostic on December 3, 2013 at 11:42 PM

Meh, even if that’s the case, one w/b just slightly more manly and less RINO, and maybe have a dog :)

Schadenfreude on December 3, 2013 at 11:44 PM

Really, old chap! The tattoo friendly ladies hardly object to another stick at all!

PolAgnostic on December 3, 2013 at 11:34 PM


Hmmmmmmm, how strange
… I seem to still have that photo up on the other monitor.

PolAgnostic on December 3, 2013 at 11:44 PM

PA, partisanhack is either Valerie Jarrett or AP’s doppelganger.

Schadenfreude on December 3, 2013 at 11:45 PM

Resist We Much on December 3, 2013 at 11:44 PM

Welcome Back!!!! :)

Hope you had a fab time in the ‘istan ;)

Scrumpy on December 3, 2013 at 11:47 PM

Here is a photo of the rest of the tats. I said TATS. With an “A”.

http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqgaihhv3m1qg4jp1o1_500.jpg

You would think when God or Mother Nature or the Aliens created her they would have been nice enough to make one for everybody.

Bishop on December 3, 2013 at 11:49 PM

The Four Horsemen of the Progressive Apocalypse

Resist We Much on December 3, 2013 at 11:44 PM

Broken link. You’re not the smoothest pickle in the jar box.

nobar on December 3, 2013 at 11:51 PM

Meh, even if that’s the case, one w/b just slightly more manly and less RINO, and maybe have a dog :)

Schadenfreude on December 3, 2013 at 11:44 PM

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Or … he’d have multiple dogs, an armory of weapons, a severe “lack of fear” condition (fear is a survival mechanism; not having it is NOT a good thing) and THIS is his favorite video

Whereas the RINO has a cat, lives in a city by his own choice, is ambivalent about the 2nd amendment and this is HIS favorite video

PolAgnostic on December 3, 2013 at 11:52 PM

You would think when God or Mother Nature or the Aliens created her they would have been nice enough to make one for everybody.

Bishop on December 3, 2013 at 11:49 PM

Mr Bishop, you do know that the actual tittie fairy rarely visits, don’t you?
That young lady was finished off by Dr. Silverstein MD, FAC, Beverly Hills. Modern medicine.

arnold ziffel on December 3, 2013 at 11:54 PM

I am so sick of hearing about all the subsidies people will be getting.
Where in the hell do they think the money is coming from for them.

You!

Barred on December 3, 2013 at 11:42 PM

I’ve said as much on other sites.

The Right needs to be hitting that point intensely — exactly what “subsidies” are — but they’re not.

“SUBSIDIES” mean, and only mean: SOMEONE ELSE IS PAYING FOR YOUR EXPENSES.

Another taxpayer’s money is “subsidizing” your “get”.

Meaning, you’re enjoying your “get” because you’re using someone else’s money to do it.

“Subsidy” is nothing other than “someone else’s money”.

Lourdes on December 3, 2013 at 11:55 PM

You would think when God or Mother Nature or the Aliens created her they would have been nice enough to make one for everybody.

Bishop on December 3, 2013 at 11:49 PM

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Well! Now, thanks to YOU – there are TWO of her on my right screen.

My kids have TATS.

They run against my grain … they tend to make one too identifiable.

PolAgnostic on December 3, 2013 at 11:57 PM

I am so sick of hearing about all the subsidies people will be getting.
Where in the hell do they think the money is coming from for them.

You!

Barred on December 3, 2013 at 11:42 PM

I’ve said as much on other sites.

The Right needs to be hitting that point intensely — exactly what “subsidies” are — but they’re not.

“SUBSIDIES” mean, and only mean: SOMEONE ELSE IS PAYING FOR YOUR EXPENSES.

Another taxpayer’s money is “subsidizing” your “get”.

Meaning, you’re enjoying your “get” because you’re using someone else’s money to do it.

“Subsidy” is nothing other than “someone else’s money”.

Lourdes on December 3, 2013 at 11:55 PM

It’s wrong to allow the Left’s breezy-cheezy-happy-happy-talky-talk advertisement FOR Obamacare based upon their cheery and nondefined use of “subsidy”:

>> “you’ll find out what subsidy you’re eligible for,” “you’ll see your subsidies figured into your rates,” etc.

Note how the word, “subsidy,” is used like “a new bike under the Holiday Tree” or “your new PONYYYYY…”

They don’t define “subsidy” BECAUSE TO DO SO IS TO EXPLAIN THE BLATANT REDISTRIBUTIVE PLAN CALLED “Obamacare.”

Lourdes on December 3, 2013 at 11:58 PM

Lourdes on December 3, 2013 at 11:55 PM

At this point, I can see the sheeple saying, “Who Cares”…

They want what ‘you’ got and they gonna get it by hook or by crook, cuz hey after all it IS Obama’s stash right?!!!!

* spit *

Scrumpy on December 3, 2013 at 11:59 PM

BLATANT REDISTRIBUTIVE PLAN is what Obama and the dems and lib base are all about…

I hope they ALL rot in the pits of pig wallow…

Scrumpy on December 4, 2013 at 12:01 AM

Poor Peggy, she’s both honest and a scumhag, as she lately is so often, so well.

So they think he knew.

And deliberately misled.

They think he knowingly quelled people’s fears when he knew they had every reason to be afraid.

Which makes him just another dishonest pol, just another guy hiding in the deliberately obscure paragraph on page 1,037 of the omnibus comprehensive reform bill.

He has taken himself down, lowered his own stature.

Commentators like to decry low-information voters—the stupid are picking our leaders. I think the real problem is low-information leaders. They have so little experience of life and have so much faith in magic—in media, in words—that they don’t understand people will get angry at you when you mislead them, and never see you the same way again.

I never saw him as smart, just charlatanic, a Goebellian thug, an empty suit, who’s now all nakid’.

Schadenfreude on December 4, 2013 at 12:02 AM

That young lady was finished off by Dr. Silverstein MD, FAC, Beverly Hills. Modern medicine.

arnold ziffel on December 3, 2013 at 11:54 PM

BAH! Lies and more damn lies. You are a black liar.

Bishop on December 4, 2013 at 12:02 AM

I have often heard that “if there was no Carter, there would have been no Reagan”.

In that spirit, I hope we are watching the manifestation of “if there was no Obama, there would have been no Cruz”.

At this point, I have 500 bucks that Hillary/Christie loses to Palin/Carrot Top by 12 points…

PointnClick on December 4, 2013 at 12:02 AM

Mr Bishop, you do know that the actual tittie fairy rarely visits, don’t you?
That young lady was finished off by Dr. Silverstein MD, FAC, Beverly Hills. Modern medicine.

arnold ziffel on December 3, 2013 at 11:54 PM


Though you may scoff …

… I am a “face” man. Everything else is secondary to what I see in a woman’s face.

When it comes to “augmentation”, my view is if it makes a woman feel better about herself and is proportional (versus distorted), more power to her.

(Lesson learned in my youth from DD female companions – they would have been MUCH happier with a B or C ‘blessing’.)

PolAgnostic on December 4, 2013 at 12:02 AM

Oh well, life goes on…

God Bless you all :)

Good Night!!

Scrumpy on December 4, 2013 at 12:05 AM

PolAgnostic on December 4, 2013 at 12:02 AM

True fact: ditto. I’m an absolute sap for medium-long brunettes in glasses.

nobar on December 4, 2013 at 12:05 AM

I see the HA National Treasure has returned…
welcome home Sophie…hope your travels went well..
and glad you made it back safely…

now that your back….RWM ..ppl are starting to whisper the “I” word now daily…any new thoughts yet??…

and after the Detroit city pensions and union checks start bouncing..
how long befor the first riot??…

(im only 40 miles north and –I may need more shells–)

going2mars on December 4, 2013 at 12:10 AM

Tasteful tattoos and a slight overbite, everything else comes second, you metrosexuals.

Schadenfreude on December 4, 2013 at 12:02 AM

As for Pegs, she finally caught on to the Bark Conundrum: Either he’s intelligent and knew this would happen, or he’s a dolt and had no chance of making this scheme work; there are no other choices.

Bishop on December 4, 2013 at 12:12 AM

True fact: ditto. I’m an absolute sap for medium-long brunettes in glasses.

nobar on December 4, 2013 at 12:05 AM

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lol! one of the “endowed” young women was a eyeglass wearing, brunette …
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… librarian.

True story

PolAgnostic on December 4, 2013 at 12:12 AM

This azzhole thinks we’re all idiots.

It’s on obama, you moron.

Go back to sleep, idiot Goebellean skeleton.

Schadenfreude on December 4, 2013 at 12:12 AM

This season, No Angel Tree, No Toys for Tots, No donations to the Food Bank.

Can’t afford it. I’m now paying for the ‘health insurance’ policies for these folks. I’ve got my own family to worry about.

No more of my help for Obama voters.

They can all go to hell.

Corporal Tunnel on December 4, 2013 at 12:14 AM

Tasteful tattoos and a slight overbite, everything else comes second, you metrosexuals

*snip*

Bishop on December 4, 2013 at 12:12 AM

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Thread winner —^

PolAgnostic on December 4, 2013 at 12:15 AM

BAH! Lies and more damn lies. You are a black liar.

Bishop on December 4, 2013 at 12:02 AM

You left out “heartless, damnable scourge.”

arnold ziffel on December 4, 2013 at 12:17 AM

Okay, not exactly cut & paste, but anger, eternity…

Summation: Loathe

Many best thoughts to all of you, but stay good-and-pissed-off.

Makes the holidays, um, er, pleasant.

I am wondering, though, who are these people so blind? … and is there any remedy.

Yes, ’tis true, siblings lost in contact at my warnings had exactly this to say:

…c’mon, give him a chance!

My retort, today as always, would be akin to ‘how you like them apples’ (eleventy…)

But, that’s bridge water and thus it is.

/return to forever

mickytx on December 4, 2013 at 12:18 AM

The Four Horsemen Of The Progressive Apocalypse

Should work now.

Resist We Much on December 4, 2013 at 12:13 AM

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It does. I completely agree with this sentiment:

the First Fascist President of the United States

and 9 out of 10 people who consider themselves conservatives would not be able to cite a specific example of his fascism.

PolAgnostic on December 4, 2013 at 12:19 AM

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