“Walking Dead” grumble thread: Everybody hurts

posted at 7:41 pm on December 2, 2013 by Allahpundit

Just this once, I’ll start with someone else’s grumble. They’ve lost Lileks for good:

Last night’s episode had the obligatory Big Thing for the mid-season climax, and while it’s nice that everyone’s out of the prison, it’s too bad about the obligatory Major Character Death. Where will they go next? Who’s left? How will they regroup?

I don’t know and I don’t care. There were some scenes from the first season shown during the commercial breaks, and the shot of Rick riding a horse into Atlanta reminded me how stark and gripping the show used to be when the disaster was fresh. Now it’s a slog from fort to fort, with uplifting subplots like “everyone’s dying of the flu” and new characters who exist only to die next season. Forget it. I’m done. At some point last night I noted that one of the characters was using a filing cabinet as a shield, and the bullets didn’t go through. It didn’t even have a drawer.

It’s worse than that: At one point Daryl was using a dead zombie as a shield against close-range machine-gun fire. Don’t be fooled by the fact that they’re falling apart from injury and decomposition; as it turns out, the undead are made out of Kevlar. But let’s not overthink it — that scene was really just the writers’ way of reassuring fans that they don’t have the stones to kill off Daryl. The Governor could have set off a tactical nuclear weapon at the prison and somehow Daryl would have emerged from the mushroom cloud, hair gelled to messy perfection. If Rick is the show’s Odysseus, Daryl is Achilles. Would any mortal man possess a quiver of crossbow arrows that somehow never empties even though every other resource in the zombie apocalypse, especially/including ammo, is scarce? I ask you.

So yeah, Lileks is right. The show is ridiculous, aimlessly lurching from one post-civilizational quagmire to the other. No one tries to make contact with the outside world; no one tries to decipher what caused the zombie outbreak and how it might be stopped. They’re not only post-civilization, they’re essentially post-narrative. It’s “Lord of the Flies” forever. But — that was one nifty free-for-all at the end last night, no? Best zombie-genre shoot ‘em up I’ve seen since the raid on the mall at the end of “Dawn of the Dead.” Not even the requisite cliches (climactic fistfight between the hero and villain, Michonne keeping her promise to liquidate ol’ eyepatch, etc) could spoil it. The only disappointment was not getting to see the zombies dig into the Governor. Why did Maggie shoot him rather than leave him to be eaten alive? And why didn’t we get an obligatory scene of pathos involving Maggie weeping over Hershel’s horrible reanimated zombie head? Easy pickings, writing staff.

At least they’re out of the prison now. Exit question: What’s next for colorful, inventive characters like Glenn, Bob the alcoholic, and the blonde girl whose name I can never remember? Just two months until the next grumble thread.

Update: Oops — evidently I mistook the Governor’s girlfriend for Maggie. That explains why she shot him. It was a mercy killing, just like him shooting little Megan to stop her from zombifying was.

Update: Wasn’t little Megan already dead when the Governor shot her? I realize he’s psycho, but there’s no earthly reason for him to have killed her for hateful reasons.


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You big meanie.

Though I too was pushing for The Governor to clean house last night. Eh.

runningpundit on December 2, 2013 at 7:45 PM

I don’t think that was Maggie. I think it was what’s her name. Van sex girl.

thebombdiggity on December 2, 2013 at 7:45 PM

Why did Maggie shoot him rather than leave him to be eaten alive?

It wasn’t Maggie that shot him.

Jon0815 on December 2, 2013 at 7:46 PM

My favorite part were the little girls saying, “They have guns, we should have them too.” I hope they vote that way in a few years.

I also loved the guy in the tank (Mitch?) telling Rick “you’ve been here too long asshole.” My thoughts exactly!

HellCat on December 2, 2013 at 7:50 PM

Why did Maggie shoot him rather than leave him to be eaten alive?

That was Lilly. The mother he was shacking up with.

She killed him because he lied about everything, and got her daughter killed.

budfox on December 2, 2013 at 7:51 PM

The show is ridiculous, aimlessly lurching from one post-civilizational quagmire to the other. No one tries to make contact with the outside world; no one tries to decipher what caused the zombie outbreak and how it might be stopped.

A zombie show that’s unrealistic. Who woulda thunk it?

whatcat on December 2, 2013 at 7:52 PM

It was a mercy killing, just like him shooting little Megan to stop her from zombifying was.

I actually think she took pleasure in it, realizing how much of a monster he was.

nicktjacob on December 2, 2013 at 7:52 PM

The Governor could have set off a tactical nuclear weapon at the prison and somehow Daryl would have emerged from the mushroom cloud, hair gelled to messy perfection.

And precious Rick takes on the whole crowd, including a tank with nothing more than a handgun?

In the meantime they kill off Santa!

Seriously, it is time to start thinking about rooting for the walkers.

Happy Nomad on December 2, 2013 at 7:54 PM

Wasn’t little Megan already dead when the Governor shot her? I realize he’s psycho, but there’s no earthly reason for him to have killed her for hateful reasons.

She was dead, so he didn’t shoot her for hateful reasons. But he also didn’t show remorse, which really bothered Lilly. That’s why she didn’t just leave him to die. She shot him out of anger/spite.

nicktjacob on December 2, 2013 at 7:58 PM

The show actually now has a chance of achieving the one narrative it hasn’t been able to before; hope.

Hope that the crew meets up again and in a better situation, which will most likely be wherever the AM radio signal Daryl picked up is coming from.

If they go the opposite direction, bleak, the ratings dropoff is going to be amazing.

I don’t trust Kirkman to make the right choice. He shows in interview after interview he’s incredibly disconnected emotionally. And that’s fine for a horror movie, but antithetical for a series.

That’s the one thing Abrams and company got with Lost. You can’t expect an audience to stay invested if you’re only going to torture the characters.

Dead is at that breaking point. Either things need to start going right for the crew, in some degree, or people are going to bail in droves for the next trendy show.

budfox on December 2, 2013 at 7:58 PM

It was really exciting. All the people died who were supposed to, but it was still fun. That little girl with the head shot towards the end was the best. Absolutely awesome.

Dongemaharu on December 2, 2013 at 7:59 PM

Seriously, it is time to start thinking about rooting for the walkers.

Happy Nomad on December 2, 2013 at 7:54 PM

Huh? You mean you ain’t already?

I root for zombies and hot chicks. And they went and killed off the hottest chick there last night.

cozmo on December 2, 2013 at 8:07 PM

I would have liked to have seen Maggie get in that tank and take it back and forth over the Governors head about 10 times. But other than that, the show is running on fumes.

exceller on December 2, 2013 at 8:08 PM

I felt bad for the governor. All people could talk about was poor Hershel with nary a thought for the death of a long time protagonist. As for his killing of Megan, I saw it as indicative of his psychopathic nature that he supposedly loved her as a second daughter but when she died, he calmly put the gun to her head an pulled the trigger like he was swatting a mosquito.

jnelchef on December 2, 2013 at 8:08 PM

For once, Allah, I think you’re over thinking this. The episode as good. It highlighted the character development of Rick while completing the circle on the Governor, which was satisfying in it’s own way.

Killing off likeable characters is important to keep the series suspenseful in the long run. The key is making more likeable characters. I think the violent little girl can be really interesting. And anyway, after the season on the farm, I never thought Hershel would be interesting or likeable, but they pulled that off.

As for the unrealistic gunplay, well…that’s nothing new. It’s pretty clear the writers know nothing about the use of firearms. We’ll just have to live with that.

Nessuno on December 2, 2013 at 8:08 PM

Gave up before finishing the 2nd show. Zombies, how original.

philw1776 on December 2, 2013 at 8:09 PM

So yeah, Lileks is right. The show is ridiculous, aimlessly lurching from one post-civilizational quagmire to the other.

No kidding… The U.S. Military is defeated by some very slow moving and not very bright dead people. Despite the military’s, training, tactics, weapons expertise, and weapons that include tanks, Cobra’s, and F “whatevah” aircraft. Doesn’t stand a chance against zombies that Carl proves in the preview can’t attain a gait faster than someone walking backwards.

It’s a cartoon. Or graphic novel for the completely anal.

It still beats the snot out of watching reality TV.

Hog Wild on December 2, 2013 at 8:09 PM

The most inexplicable non-death was Michonne’s. How did she go from being tied up, on her knees, facing in the opposite direction, and yet somehow still remained unscathed through the whole firefight?

GOPRanknFile on December 2, 2013 at 8:09 PM

GOPRanknFile on December 2, 2013 at 8:09 PM

Well duh, superpowers!

cozmo on December 2, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Things never change. People always want what other people have, and you can’t negotiate with evil maniacs.

And now you have Rick’s son and that girl representing the new generation. Both tough, but possibly at odds philosophically. The girl, trained by Carol, kicks a$$, but too much Carol influence and who knows, she could be the next Governor. I see those two mirroring Rick and Carol in the future. Very interesting.

Dongemaharu on December 2, 2013 at 8:12 PM

Gave up before finishing the 2nd show. Zombies, how original.

philw1776 on December 2, 2013 at 8:09 PM

lol?

That’s like writing off science fiction movies by saying, “Space travel? How original.”

Nessuno on December 2, 2013 at 8:12 PM

Maggie = brown shirt

Lily = white shirt with blood dripping down her arm

Judith = tastes like veal!

Blake on December 2, 2013 at 8:13 PM

I was entertained while watching. That is all I expect from a television series. I was a Losthead, and that series was full of holes too.

One question, what was Tyrese showing Rick and Darryl when they were interrupted by the attack? Anybody know or have an opinion?

jazzuscounty on December 2, 2013 at 8:14 PM

Wasn’t little Megan already dead when the Governor shot her? I realize he’s psycho, but there’s no earthly reason for him to have killed her for hateful reasons.

He shot her in the head so she wouldn’t turn. Hello, is this thing on, lol?

Best part? When the little kids saved Tyrese. Part that didn’t make sense? When the governor told Lilly they would be safe by the river because zombies couldn’t cross. Okay, but what about the zombies that might already be on the side of the river you moved them to, lol?

Interesting factoid revealed on “The Talking Dead”: Carl’s stunt double is a 31 year old woman.

xblade on December 2, 2013 at 8:14 PM

Well duh, superpowers!

cozmo on December 2, 2013 at 8:10 PM

True, I forgot. Thanks for setting me straight.

GOPRanknFile on December 2, 2013 at 8:14 PM

The most inexplicable non-death was Michonne’s. How did she go from being tied up, on her knees, facing in the opposite direction, and yet somehow still remained unscathed through the whole firefight?

GOPRanknFile on December 2, 2013 at 8:09 PM

No one wanted to shoot her because she was tied up (and they were not blood thirsty like the governor), and she rolled around back and got untied. It’s not a big mystery….

Nessuno on December 2, 2013 at 8:15 PM

Best zombie-genre shoot ‘em up I’ve seen since the raid on the mall at the end of “Dawn of the Dead.

If you overlook the fact that it made no sense. The Gov responds to Rick’s peace offer by murdering a helpless old man with a sword and shouting “kill them all!”… and apparently only one person in his group has a problem with that? Why do they all decide to throw their lives away attacking the prison when the damage from the attack is making their objective worthless?

But then this show already requires you to accept a completely absurd premise: And I don’t mean the existence of zombies, I mean the zombies being able to overrun the entire US army, but not a dozen or so random survivors. If Rick’s ragtag group can kill hundreds of zombies, armed with nothing more than knives and small arms, how exactly did the zombies defeat trained, organized military units armed with tanks and helicopter gunships?

Jon0815 on December 2, 2013 at 8:16 PM

jazzuscounty on December 2, 2013 at 8:14 PM

Rat pelt.

cozmo on December 2, 2013 at 8:17 PM

I’ve been waiting all day to read to see AP’s rant!

Now to read the post…

clancy_wiggum on December 2, 2013 at 8:19 PM

If you overlook the fact that it made no sense. The Gov responds to Rick’s peace offer by murdering a helpless old man with a sword and shouting “kill them all!”… and apparently only one person in his group has a problem with that? Why do they all decide to throw their lives away attacking the prison when the damage from the attack is making their objective worthless?

Jon0815 on December 2, 2013 at 8:16 PM

You’ve missed a step in your chronology. The Governor kills Hershel, Rick fires at the attackers, and the prison people fire at the attackers. And it was only after he has to kill his new “step-daughter” that he breaks fully and says “kill them all”.

If you’re being shot at, I bet it’s not hard to be convinced to shoot back. Anyway, that was the plan they agreed to. The governor’s little speech was pretty persuasive. Besides, people don’t always act rationally when they are afraid.

Nessuno on December 2, 2013 at 8:19 PM

No one wanted to shoot her because she was tied up (and they were not blood thirsty like the governor), and she rolled around back and got untied. It’s not a big mystery….

Nessuno on December 2, 2013 at 8:15 PM

I never said it was a mystery how she got untied. I saw how she did, just like you. I was questioning how she got to that point in the first place. And even if the others weren’t blood-thirsty, which I don’t completely buy, that doesn’t explain why the Governor didn’t kill her. She’s the one he despised the most, after all.

GOPRanknFile on December 2, 2013 at 8:20 PM

Michonne rolled out of the way while the one group of people with guns were busy shooting at the other people with guns. I guess they weren’t thinking clearly after their leader nearly beheaded their prisoner and guns started blazing. They must have forgotten to shoot the tied up lady first. LOL! You guys make me laugh.

Dongemaharu on December 2, 2013 at 8:21 PM

One question, what was Tyrese showing Rick and Darryl when they were interrupted by the attack? Anybody know or have an opinion?

jazzuscounty

Someone had created a piece of art with a dead rat, lol. They cut it open and hung it on the wall.

xblade on December 2, 2013 at 8:22 PM

Rat pelt.

cozmo on December 2, 2013 at 8:17 PM

Ah, that would make sense from previous events in the show. Thanks.

jazzuscounty on December 2, 2013 at 8:24 PM

If you overlook the fact that it made no sense. The Gov responds to Rick’s peace offer by murdering a helpless old man with a sword and shouting “kill them all!”… and apparently only one person in his group has a problem with that? Why do they all decide to throw their lives away attacking the prison when the damage from the attack is making their objective worthless?

Jon0815 on December 2, 2013 at 8:16 PM

Yeah, that really bugs me, too. They haven’t even known him for very long. And after he shows up, people in the camp start dying. And even if they were best pals, you would still not attack innocent people and at great risks to yourselves.

I was hoping that the guy who was crossing the river would turn out to be the guy he sunk with a chain and rock.

Blake on December 2, 2013 at 8:24 PM

You’ve missed a step in your chronology. The Governor kills Hershel, Rick fires at the attackers, and the prison people fire at the attackers. And it was only after he has to kill his new “step-daughter” that he breaks fully and says “kill them all”.

If you’re being shot at, I bet it’s not hard to be convinced to shoot back. Anyway, that was the plan they agreed to. The governor’s little speech was pretty persuasive. Besides, people don’t always act rationally when they are afraid.

Nessuno on December 2, 2013 at 8:19 PM

They could have retreated. They all saw heard Rick’s peace offer, and saw that Rick’s side didn’t start shooting until after the Gov murdered his hostage. It’s absurd that they would all have just blindly followed the Gov on a pointless kamikaze mission under those circumstances.

Jon0815 on December 2, 2013 at 8:27 PM

I would hid behind the tank for cover and shoot the governor and then wave a white flag.

Blake on December 2, 2013 at 8:32 PM

The zombie still alive in the flash-flood mud was cool.

John the Libertarian on December 2, 2013 at 8:32 PM

They could have retreated. They all saw heard Rick’s peace offer, and saw that Rick’s side didn’t start shooting until after the Gov murdered his hostage. It’s absurd that they would all have just blindly followed the Gov on a pointless kamikaze mission under those circumstances.

Jon0815 on December 2, 2013 at 8:27 PM

Yup.

GOPRanknFile on December 2, 2013 at 8:33 PM

Just go read the graphic novel/comic. It is both quicker and better.

Queasy on December 2, 2013 at 8:33 PM

Jon0815 on December 2, 2013 at 8:27 PM

It would be really boring.

C’mon man, admit it. You wanted to see that M60 play as much as the rest of us.

cozmo on December 2, 2013 at 8:33 PM

At least people on TV are allowed to have guns.

Akzed on December 2, 2013 at 8:36 PM

Michonne abandoned a hobbled Rick for what? Judith?

derit on December 2, 2013 at 8:37 PM

They could have retreated. They all saw heard Rick’s peace offer, and saw that Rick’s side didn’t start shooting until after the Gov murdered his hostage. It’s absurd that they would all have just blindly followed the Gov on a pointless kamikaze mission under those circumstances.

Jon0815 on December 2, 2013 at 8:27 PM

Makes me wonder if we will see Lilly and her sister again (the ones who took in the governor.) The sister did not take part in the shooting. She seemed disgusted by all of it. Guess that is the kiss of death–see Dale, Pete and Hershel.

jazzuscounty on December 2, 2013 at 8:38 PM

To the anti-Carol contingent… let’s all bear in mind that Tyrese survived this episode only because Carol taught those kids they had to be able to defend themselves.

It’s a shame Rick survived. He hasn’t added anything of value to the show in quite a while.

Wendya on December 2, 2013 at 8:40 PM

I actually enjoyed this episode. I gave up wishing for solid military tactics when the Governor assaulted the prison last season, was ambushed on enemy ground, fled into a turkey shoot, and then lost no-one. Oh, and then he started to shoot armed people one by one, with no-one shooting back.

Based against that outing, watching people take cover behind the tank when it was advancing was a stroke of Napoleonic genius!

And the little girl shooting the National Guard woman right between the eyes to save Tyreese was awesome.

Revenant on December 2, 2013 at 8:41 PM

It’s a shame Rick survived. He hasn’t added anything of value to the show in quite a while.

Wendya on December 2, 2013 at 8:40 PM

Ow man, of course he has.

He has provided us with more teenage angst than a young people vampire saga.

cozmo on December 2, 2013 at 8:42 PM

Makes me wonder if we will see Lilly and her sister again (the ones who took in the governor.) The sister did not take part in the shooting. She seemed disgusted by all of it. Guess that is the kiss of death–see Dale, Pete and Hershel.

jazzuscounty on December 2, 2013 at 8:38 PM

Lilly was disgusted and wouldn’t participate. Tara flipped out and hid. I read that at least Tara comes back in the spring.

Blake on December 2, 2013 at 8:42 PM

I wish you guys would get off this lame Walking Dead crap. Stupid show, and not remotely news-worthy.

BoomJunkie on December 2, 2013 at 8:43 PM

The battered wife Carol once was Rick now is. 

derit on December 2, 2013 at 8:44 PM

BoomJunkie on December 2, 2013 at 8:43 PM

Well gosh, thanks for your words of wisdom. Where would we be without you.

cozmo on December 2, 2013 at 8:45 PM

Zombie fans are just like republicans…they like to destroy their own. You guys are idiots…enjoy the show. AND don’t tell me your too smart.

tomas on December 2, 2013 at 8:46 PM

tomas on December 2, 2013 at 8:46 PM

Um, that would be you’re mister Einstein.

cozmo on December 2, 2013 at 8:47 PM

Jon0815 on December 2, 2013 at 8:16 PM

He was lying to them and working the situation to his advantage, like all dictators do. I think that’s a major point, despite the accelerated timeline of it. Weak, desperate and stupid people fall for it, and those people are apparently easy to find in a zombie world. Everyone else… He kills.

The good guys in Rick’s camp are the ones struggling with morals, leadership and every other issue. The one person who started acting like the Governor, Carol, Rick threw out.

Dongemaharu on December 2, 2013 at 8:48 PM

I wish you guys would get off this lame Walking Dead crap. Stupid show, and not remotely news-worthy.

BoomJunkie on December 2, 2013 at 8:43 PM

You’re wasting both your and our time by posting on this thread. Thanks for that.

GOPRanknFile on December 2, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Michonne abandoned a hobbled Rick for what? Judith?

derit on December 2, 2013 at 8:37 PM

That’s a good point, I hadn’t thought of that. There’s no way they’d kill Judith.

Overall I’m pretty happy with this episode. I’m hoping they turn things around in the spring; you know, like firing their stupid director and getting the guy from season 1 back.

For those who come here week after week to preen about how cool you are because you don’t watch a zombie show: go away, we don’t care.

Living4Him5534 on December 2, 2013 at 8:48 PM

You guys are idiots…enjoy the show.
AND don’t tell me your too smart.

tomas

Everyone can’t be an Einstein like you, lol.

xblade on December 2, 2013 at 8:52 PM

For those who come here week after week to preen about how cool you are because you don’t watch a zombie show: go away, we don’t care.

Living4Him5534 on December 2, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Nessuno on December 2, 2013 at 8:55 PM

One question, what was Tyrese showing Rick and Darryl when they were interrupted by the attack? Anybody know or have an opinion?

jazzuscounty on December 2, 2013 at 8:14 PM

It’s the rat-feeders hole.

Apparently, someone’s been living in there since before they arrived. It could be anybody, most likely a prisoner.

But the premise makes no sense. If he was feeding the zombies so they would overrun the place and get rid of Rick’s crew, the walkers would smell the rat-feeder and eventually find him.

What I’m wondering is if it foreshadows a return to the prison. Because if showing a human nest is how the wrap up that loose end, then they’re seriously writing on the fly.

budfox on December 2, 2013 at 8:55 PM

It seems to me that the sisters and the little girl would have become zombies when their father/grandfather died and bit one or more of them. They didn’t know how to kill a zombie until the Gov told them how. So, though the girl is dead, the Gov probably actually saved her from an earlier death and the sisters are still alive because of him. I think.

I bet the Gov killed Hershel first because he was hoping to save Michonne for later when he could have some fun torturing her for revenge.

angela on December 2, 2013 at 8:55 PM

To the anti-Carol contingent… let’s all bear in mind that Tyrese survived this episode only because Carol taught those kids they had to be able to defend themselves.
Wendya on December 2, 2013 at 8:40 PM

You’re right. I think she was doing great with the kids…to a point, but she was going in a particular direction with no end in sight. Teaching kids without their parents permission, murdering sick people, and so on. She was taking everything into her own hands and pretty much deceiving everyone about it. That’s exactly how the Governor ran. And that’s one of the things that makes her character interesting.

Dongemaharu on December 2, 2013 at 8:57 PM

I am going to miss this weekly thread and the pompous weak assh…um, jerks more than the show.

cozmo on December 2, 2013 at 9:02 PM

The Judith thing was weird. Walkers usually eat their prey on the spot, not drag them off. So it seems obvious she’s alive. But hey, if you see a bloody baby seat, your gonna think the worst.

Dongemaharu on December 2, 2013 at 9:02 PM

In any situation resembling a real human response, there is no way

1. Any group of people who’ve been together for an extended duration

2. Would suddenly follow some new guy who

3. Right after he shows, ends up in charge because

4. The previous two main guys just amazingly screwed up one day apart and got killed by walkers after

5. Being in charge for months and never having a massive cluster occur.

That’s why the only legit response was when the lez sister says to her new girlfriend it’s time to bug out, cause The Gov just cut some old guy’s head off for no real reason.

No one would follow this guy. They never showed a scene where he “saved” the group to gain their trust, just the sisters.

It would have been better if he split the group in half between survivors and dead weight, took the tank and went after the prison full bore with the promise to bring the dead weight into the compound after they overtake it.

budfox on December 2, 2013 at 9:03 PM

To the anti-Carol contingent… let’s all bear in mind that Tyrese survived this episode only because Carol taught those kids they had to be able to defend themselves.
Wendya on December 2, 2013 at 8:40 PM

Yep. That’s the best thing to look forward to next Feb.

Does Tyreese forgive Carol because after being on the run with the girls, does he now see why she acted they way she had to, or does he try and kill her when they run into her, (because you know that’s coming), and the girls threaten/kill Tyreese.

budfox on December 2, 2013 at 9:07 PM

How long can zombies live without water? After a certain amount of time wouldn’t they be mummies?

oldroy on December 2, 2013 at 9:13 PM

Just wanna note that I never believed in the governor’s “change”.

Psychopath to the end.

mankai on December 2, 2013 at 9:13 PM

I think my point was made. Jerks.

tomas on December 2, 2013 at 9:15 PM

I enjoyed the episode.

I am probably one of the few who still likes Rick. Do I think he’s particularly likeable ALL THE TIME? Of course not. But I think he is constantly trying to keep his humanity in an increasingly inhumane world with a child who is clearly adapting to the new world far better than he is. This episode had the fantastic shot of him walking towards the Governor and his “army” (and tank) with nothing but a gun on his hip. Reminiscent of old westerns. Then watching him walk away from their refuge overrun with zombies with only his son (and admonishing him to “not look back”) was heartbreaking.

Of course, the hardest thing to watch was Herschel, the moral center of the prison gang, be killed by the Governor, his complete and polar opposite.

I was quite happy to see the Governor get what he deserved from Michonne and LILY. He was a horrible man, who wasted two episodes on a redemption that lasted about as long as a campaign promise.

I’m curious to see where the rest of the season goes. Wondering where Carol ran off to. If everyone will regroup somewhere or just end up on different paths. If they’ll figure out who was feeding the Walkers at the fence (my bet is on the creepy little girl). And how they’ll cope now that Herschel is gone.

Sadly, I think little Judith is gone. Poor baby.

I guess I don’t belong on this thread since I clearly am not grumbling about the show….

mjk on December 2, 2013 at 9:16 PM

I think my point was made. Jerks.

tomas

If the point was your dumb, then your right, lol.

xblade on December 2, 2013 at 9:17 PM

Jerks.

tomas on December 2, 2013 at 9:15 PM

Bless your evil little heart.

Come in here, crap all over place, show yourself as the fool you are…then whine about it.

Greetings Mr. president.

cozmo on December 2, 2013 at 9:17 PM

I liked the episode. *shrugs*

And does anyone else think Carl is gonna end up being the psycho feeding the zombies and torturing rats?

Jack_Burton on December 2, 2013 at 9:19 PM

budfox on December 2, 2013 at 9:03 PM

Your TV wasn’t working during the 2008 Presidential Election… was it?

Hog Wild on December 2, 2013 at 9:19 PM

mjk on December 2, 2013 at 9:16 PM

Lighten up Francis. Except for the trolls, most of the grumbling is good natured.

And are you sure “prison gang” was an appropriate word choice for the group who happened to occupy the prison? Talk about bashing…

cozmo on December 2, 2013 at 9:20 PM

I’m sure I’m way out of touch here, but allow me to ask why I should care about this. Please be polite.

Galtian on December 2, 2013 at 9:21 PM

The Judith thing was weird. Walkers usually eat their prey on the spot, not drag them off. So it seems obvious she’s alive. But hey, if you see a bloody baby seat, your gonna think the worst.

Dongemaharu on December 2, 2013 at 9:02 PM

She was bite-size.

Lanceman on December 2, 2013 at 9:23 PM

Hershel reminded me of my father, so it was hard for me to watch.
He was the center, it can all fall apart now and I don’t give a fluke.
I a also mad that the governor didn’t get eaten by zombies. It was too clean. Zombization of the weenie would be fitting.

RovesChins on December 2, 2013 at 9:24 PM

I’m sure I’m way out of touch here, but allow me to ask why I should care about this. Please be polite.

Galtian on December 2, 2013 at 9:21 PM

Politely go away. No one is forcing you to comment here, jackass.

RovesChins on December 2, 2013 at 9:24 PM

I’m sure I’m way out of touch here, but allow me to ask why I should care about this. Please be polite.

Galtian on December 2, 2013 at 9:21 PM

It kind of shows what will happen under the Obama economy given enough time. Say 2015 or so.

oldroy on December 2, 2013 at 9:25 PM

I’m sure I’m way out of touch here, but allow me to ask why I should care about this. Please be polite.

Galtian on December 2, 2013 at 9:21 PM

You shouldn’t.

Any more than I should care about an abortion thread. Which I don’t even click on.

If the subject doesn’t interest me, I don’t waste valuable mouseclicks.

They are finite, you know.

Lanceman on December 2, 2013 at 9:26 PM

Galtian on December 2, 2013 at 9:21 PM

Harmless entertainment. Mostly harmless any way.

I never cared for Seinfeld, Friends, Breaking Bad or countless other televised icons of popular culture. This one just happens to be a decent way to waste an hour. And this weekly thread is another way to enjoy myself while wasting some time.

In this 0bama economy, you have to get your fun where you can find it.

cozmo on December 2, 2013 at 9:26 PM

I’m sure I’m way out of touch here, but allow me to ask why I should care about this. Please be polite.

Galtian on December 2, 2013 at 9:21 PM

You shouldn’t. It’s “Dallas”, “Dynasty”, and “American Idol” with ZOMBIES.

We could be talking about the next lie Obama tells, but he talks entirely too much to keep up with it all.

Hog Wild on December 2, 2013 at 9:26 PM

The Judith thing was weird. Walkers usually eat their prey on the spot, not drag them off. So it seems obvious she’s alive. But hey, if you see a bloody baby seat, your gonna think the worst.

Dongemaharu on December 2, 2013 at 9:02 PM

Maybe they did eat her on the spot. They did her mother. And let’s be honest, I’m sure Judith would be tender and delicious.

Blake on December 2, 2013 at 9:29 PM

I’m curious to see where the rest of the season goes. Wondering where Carol ran off to. If everyone will regroup somewhere or just end up on different paths. If they’ll figure out who was feeding the Walkers at the fence (my bet is on the creepy little girl). And how they’ll cope now that Herschel is gone.

Since they had a bus with an evacuation route out of the prison ready for things like this, you would think they also had a rendezvous spot planned out ahead of time as well. But who knows? I think it’s safe to say they end up together again though.

Sadly, I think little Judith is gone. Poor baby.

mjk

Nah, she’s fine. If the zombies got her, the baby seat wouldn’t have been sitting there neatly like someone just sat it down. She’s probably with Tyrese and the little girls. Then again, the seat was covered in blood, so she might be with someone who was injured.

Potential plot twist? Judith is with the governor’s ex, and she becomes Rick’s new squeeze.

xblade on December 2, 2013 at 9:31 PM

Wasn’t little Megan already dead when the Governor shot her? I realize he’s psycho, but there’s no earthly reason for him to have killed her for hateful reasons.

You kind of answered your own question when you called him “psycho”. If annoying Meghan was already dead, then yeah, it’s to stop her from becoming a zombie. But there was no indication one way or the other that she was dead (that I recall anyway). If she wasn’t dead and got bit, he was saving her from becoming a zombie (sounds a bit like Carol with the flu/fever people).

But because he is crazy-pants, his reasoning would be, to say the least, suspect at all times.

I think the Governor was Carol writ-large. And yes, I think Carol is crazy.

Did anyone notice that one Walker they kept focusing on at the prison? Clara from the earlier episode.

mjk on December 2, 2013 at 9:32 PM

Nah, she’s fine. If the zombies got her, the baby seat wouldn’t have been sitting there neatly like someone just sat it down. She’s probably with Tyrese and the little girls. Then again, the seat was covered in blood, so she might be with someone who was injured.

Potential plot twist? Judith is with the governor’s ex, and she becomes Rick’s new squeeze.

xblade on December 2, 2013 at 9:31 PM

Never said she was dead…. (dramatic soap opera music!!!). I’m thinking someone from the Governor’s camp picked her up…. I’m more of the line of thinking that they’ll never see her again.

mjk on December 2, 2013 at 9:34 PM

I think my point was made. Jerks.
tomas on December 2, 2013 at 9:15 PM

Stop calling Allah a jerk. That’s not nice.

mjk on December 2, 2013 at 9:16 PM

I like him too. Not everybody can be super cool, loner, Mad Max, anti-hero leader. He’s just a nice guy trying to keep what ethics he had before intact.

Dongemaharu on December 2, 2013 at 9:35 PM

Lighten up Francis. Except for the trolls, most of the grumbling is good natured.

And are you sure “prison gang” was an appropriate word choice for the group who happened to occupy the prison? Talk about bashing…

cozmo on December 2, 2013 at 9:20 PM

Wow. I can’t even wax philosophical over a show I ENJOY without someone getting all princessy on me.

Jesus.

mjk on December 2, 2013 at 9:35 PM

Just glad that Kirk Acevedo got written out. Terrible character for him. He is a good grump, but it wasn’t believable.

And yeah. Bullets through zombies, empty file cabinets, “grenades” that penetrate breach blocks in tanks, all a bit much. Find some writers and directors that have a little life experience if you want this thing to last another year.

oldroy on December 2, 2013 at 9:35 PM

Nah, she’s fine. If the zombies got her, the baby seat wouldn’t have been sitting there neatly like someone just sat it down. She’s probably with Tyrese and the little girls. Then again, the seat was covered in blood, so she might be with someone who was injured.

Potential plot twist? Judith is with the governor’s ex, and she becomes Rick’s new squeeze.

xblade on December 2, 2013 at 9:31 PM

Never said she was dead…. (dramatic soap opera music!!!). I’m thinking someone from the Governor’s camp picked her up…. I’m more of the line of thinking that they’ll never see her again.

mjk on December 2, 2013 at 9:34 PM

What would a zombie serve as a side dish? I mean, she’s barely an appetizer.

RovesChins on December 2, 2013 at 9:36 PM

Potential plot twist? Judith is with the governor’s ex, and she becomes Rick’s new squeeze.

xblade on December 2, 2013 at 9:31 PM

She is a nurse, and he does need some “care”.

oldroy on December 2, 2013 at 9:37 PM

This is my favorite show on TV. The best half season of the show yet. And the best 20 minutes of any show period. Whiners can whine.

Is the Governor really dead? The gun shot was never shown. His still less body never shown. Maybe Lily chickened out and missed his head? If not, 4 people got their licks in on the Governor, Rick with punches, Micheone[sword], Lily[pistol] and Carl[rifle] who winged the Governor. Although seemed like he shot his right arm, the one the Governor then used to pummel Rick with. Oh well, a bit of a sloppily written episode.

The one thing I wanted killed was the prison. Thrilled they are all out on the run. New people, new scenes, new adventures.

One character I would not mind being “let go” is Rick. Unfortunately, he is considered the star of the show. Plus it would remove the Wizard of Oz ending with Rick waking up from his coma in the hospital to see all the Doctors, nurses and orderlies being people on the show.

KMav on December 2, 2013 at 9:39 PM

Maybe they did eat her on the spot. They did her mother. And let’s be honest, I’m sure Judith would be tender and delicious.
Blake on December 2, 2013 at 9:29 PM

…Or Carol trained Judith in firearms and Judith went for the gun duct taped to the bottom of the baby seat and blew some walkers away! Oh…then removed the bodies and crawled away with a bad a$$ look on her face.

Dongemaharu on December 2, 2013 at 9:46 PM

mjk on December 2, 2013 at 9:35 PM

Important thread etiquette.

Wizard of Oz ending…

KMav on December 2, 2013 at 9:39 PM

Laugh out loud worthy.

cozmo on December 2, 2013 at 9:47 PM

One character I would not mind being “let go” is Rick. Unfortunately, he is considered the star of the show. Plus it would remove the Wizard of Oz ending with Rick waking up from his coma in the hospital to see all the Doctors, nurses and orderlies being people on the show.

KMav on December 2, 2013 at 9:39 PM

That sounds like a Hollywood honcho with a Viagra addiction. These guys bring their comic book to life.

RovesChins on December 2, 2013 at 9:47 PM

Maybe they did eat her on the spot. They did her mother. And let’s be honest, I’m sure Judith would be tender and delicious.
Blake on December 2, 2013 at 9:29 PM

…Or Carol trained Judith in firearms and Judith went for the gun duct taped to the bottom of the baby seat and blew some walkers away! Oh…then removed the bodies and crawled away with a bad a$$ look on her face.

Dongemaharu on December 2, 2013 at 9:46 PM

I miss Carol. Lol

RovesChins on December 2, 2013 at 9:50 PM

Sorry. This is the best version of WD.

Lanceman on December 2, 2013 at 9:52 PM

Geez, AP you and the crowd you hang with are tough to please.

It’s a zombie show. Reality has kind of gone out the window from about the third or fourth episode.

Doesn’t mean it can’t have some entertainment value and just go along for the ride, enjoy the silliness and the great makeup jobs. C’mon, you have to admit that it was pretty cool to see The Guv rip that zombie’s head open with a leg bone.

Reality right now sucks and if a show can make zombie heads explode real nice and be silly and distract me for an hour, then it’s got my thumbs up. Extra added bonus that it hasn’t called me a racist yet.

Can’t wait to see if Carol shows up again with the new guy Michael Cudlitz that’s playing Abraham. w00t!

kim roy on December 2, 2013 at 9:54 PM

I root for zombies and hot chicks. And they went and killed off the hottest chick there last night.

cozmo on December 2, 2013 at 8:07 PM

Herschel?

John Deaux on December 2, 2013 at 9:56 PM

I wish you guys would get off this lame Walking Dead crap. Stupid show, and not remotely news-worthy.

BoomJunkie on December 2, 2013 at 8:43 PM

Please let us know where you are being kept captive and forced to click and read this. We will send the police.

kim roy on December 2, 2013 at 10:00 PM

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