Report: 100,000 people selected a plan on Healthcare.gov in November

posted at 11:21 am on December 2, 2013 by Allahpundit

By “selected a plan,” do they mean people who’ve completed enrollment or people at some lesser step in the process, like placing a plan in their virtual shopping cart without proceeding to checkout? Remember, you’re not officially enrolled until you’ve paid your first month of premiums. Could be that some people have chosen a plan but then gotten rate-shock jitters and decided not to pull the trigger until they’ve scraped together enough dough to cover the cost. Or, worse, it could be that some think they’re covered now that they’ve completed the sign-up process and somehow missed the fine print about that first-month payment. Hmmmm:

Anyway, good news and bad news for the White House here.

About 100,000 people signed up for health insurance through the online federal exchange last month, a roughly four-fold increase from October even as a team of U.S. government and contractor programmers was fixing the troubled Affordable Care Act website, said a person familiar with program’s progress.

The preliminary November numbers reflect individuals who successfully selected a plan. The administration expects that most consumers will sign up early next year as the enrollment period nears its March 31 close, said the person who asked for anonymity because the final numbers were still being calculated.

The obvious good news for O: Enrollments — er, I mean “plan selections” — on Healthcare.gov more than tripled from October’s number of 26,794 to November. Then again, given that the site was largely inoperative in October, that was an easy bar to clear. The less obvious good news: According to the NYT, 50,000 people had enrolled/selected a plan on the federal website by mid-November. Subtract the 27,000 or so from October and that means 23,000 signed up in the first two weeks last month. Assuming Bloomberg’s figures in the excerpt above are correct, another 75,000 signed up in just the last two or three weeks alone, a big increase. Maybe that’s proof of the website becoming more stable, maybe it’s proof of demand increasing as we approach the December 23rd deadline for coverage, maybe it’s both.

The bad news: The target for total enrollments through November was … 800,000. The federal website, which covers nearly three-quarters of the states, has produced just 125,000 “enrollments,” not all of which are actual enrollments, so far. They’re going to miss the bullseye, probably badly. That all depends on the state exchanges now, though, and those include hugely populous states like California and New York. In October, the state exchanges generated roughly three times the number of enrollments than the federal exchange. If that trend repeats, it would mean 300,000 state enrollments in November; add that to the federal numbers and the October state numbers and you’ve got something in the vicinity of 500,000 sign-ups total. Still way, way, way off the 800,000 mark they laid down, but if being “in the zone of about 80 percent” usability for the website is enough for the White House to declare its “tech surge” a success, hitting 60-65 percent of its target enrollment is probably enough for Sebelius to declare the process “on track,” kinda sorta.

Two things to bear in mind going forward. One: As the enrollment numbers inevitably swell (they’re bound to, thanks to the coercion of the mandate), lefties will forget Ezra Klein’s advice from last week not to focus on the number of sign-ups but rather the demographic mix. ObamaCare can survive falling short of its numerical target; it can’t survive a risk pool that’s badly skewed towards sicker people. The early state data was … not encouraging for O-Care fans on that point, but everyone expected early enrollees to skew towards the sick. We’ll see how the trends shifted in November, if they did at all. Two: Amid all the government hoopla today about Healthcare.gov working better, remember that the feds still consider the site to be so fragile that they asked liberal groups not to launch a big PR campaign encouraging people to sign up. A last-minute PR push is the only thing that might get the feds to their year-end goal for enrollments. The fact that they’re standing down anyway, knowing that it’ll mean a round of “ObamaCare off-track” news stories in January, tells you a lot about how far the website still has to go.


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Good news for my kids, I signed up for thousands of dollars worth of electronics at amazon.com!

mankai on December 2, 2013 at 11:26 AM

“What We’re Also Discovering Is That Insurance Is Complicated to Buy”…Dear Leader.

d1carter on December 2, 2013 at 11:26 AM

The city of Flint has about 100,000 people. Just for a comparison.

Flange on December 2, 2013 at 11:27 AM

Report: 100,000 people selected a plan on Healthcare.gov in November

The bad news: The target for total enrollments through November was … 800,000

Taking over 1/6th of the economy with only 1/8th expected participation..

Winning!!!!

Electrongod on December 2, 2013 at 11:27 AM

Ah, bask in the brilliance of the GOP plan to not critique the plan or Obama and just to “let it implode on its own.” Well, it’s not going to implode. Nothing implodes inside the US government. Nothing ever stops either. It will simply grind on and, with the media’s help, simply grind on.

rrpjr on December 2, 2013 at 11:28 AM

Seeing how most of the back end hasn’t even been built I think it’s a stretch to say anyone has completed the enrollment process yet. Certainly not in the numbers they keep pushing and no, just filling out the enrollment forms is not the same thing as purchasing a plan.

HotAirian on December 2, 2013 at 11:30 AM

Great news. I’ve selected the Ferrari GTO I want as well.

forest on December 2, 2013 at 11:31 AM

“ObamaCare can survive falling short of its numerical target; it can’t survive a risk pool that’s badly skewed towards sicker people.”
The second part of the quoted statement ignores the fact the obama will spend whatever it takes to keep obamacare working, including subsidies to individuals and to insurance companies. Saying that it cannot survive financially makes no sense when there is no profit requirement, which is one joy of a government business.

GaltBlvnAtty on December 2, 2013 at 11:33 AM

100 thou non-paying customers because the payment module doesnt exist.

Philly on December 2, 2013 at 11:33 AM

“Selected” vs “Purchased”.

I’ve selected a Mansion, a Yacht, & a ’67 Shelby Mustang.

I have yet to purchase them.

portlandon on December 2, 2013 at 11:33 AM

Only morons, who want their identity stolen, go there.

On the numbers, meh. It’s what obama wants, failure.

Hillary will take it from there and save the National Helath’care’ for America.

Schadenfreude on December 2, 2013 at 11:35 AM

The preliminary November numbers reflect individuals who successfully selected a plan. The administration expects that most consumers will sign up early next year as the enrollment period nears its March 31 close, said the person who asked for anonymity because the final numbers were still being calculated.

I always trust anonymous officials about anything they say.

tru2tx on December 2, 2013 at 11:36 AM

How many people have paid for insurance?

Is it the same as those reported as having “selected a plan”? Or less: zero, perhaps?

If only we had a free press in this country, instead of a set of propaganda organs.

MTF on December 2, 2013 at 11:36 AM

There is no good news. This is complete BS nonsense.

forest on December 2, 2013 at 11:36 AM

Like the factually bogus and manipulated ‘below 8% unemployment’ number we knew they were going to report before the election, expect them to report similarly bogus and manipulated figures with respect to this, too.

Nothing that this administration ‘reports’ means a damn thing at this point, does it?

Midas on December 2, 2013 at 11:36 AM

Millions lost their policies, and thousands signed up for new ones. In what universe does this constitute “progress”?

Socratease on December 2, 2013 at 11:36 AM

Two things to bear in mind going forward.

Both good points, AP.

The Administration is going to attempt to redefine reality with these ‘enrollment’ numbers – to generate the perception that the website challenges have been addressed. They will ignore the fact that payment processing and other critical back-end systems, comprising 30-40% of the total system, are largely incomplete.

The Administration is also, with their shills in the media, continue to focus the attention on the website in order to mask the absolute disaster they’ve brought down on the US healthcare system because of the EpicClusterFark. The meme has to be redirected away from the cancelled policies and the inability to see one’s doctors or be admitted to the top hospitals. They will not release any of the information that will show us that not only are we entering the highest levels of a premium / cost death spiral, but that the majority of sign-ups are going into Medicaid which will add trillions to the cost of that entitlement program.

The legacy of this will be that the Administration has utterly shattered 1/6th of the national economy and the entirety of the US healthcare system in the effort to promote the big government agenda and ‘fix’ healthcare for about 15 million people.

Athos on December 2, 2013 at 11:37 AM

A last-minute PR push is the only thing that might get the feds to their year-end goal for enrollments.


… Or not.

My son went on esurance.com and applied for one of the “old school” plans targeted for young, single males who don’t need to be financially raped in the name of the less fortunate/nonworking/elderly/female which covers from the end of December 2013 to end of December 2014.

Cost less than half of the “new school” plan with 1/3 the deductible.

“OMG! Sandra Fluke’s plane has been hit! She’s going down! She’s in a death spiral!”

PolAgnostic on December 2, 2013 at 11:37 AM

They are probably signed up as Mickey Mouse, Alfred E. Newman, Spider-Man, Barry-love, etc. just like the campaign donations that barry got. They are still trying to help him out of a bind.

DuctTapeMyBrain on December 2, 2013 at 11:38 AM

Picture caption

Nurse Ratached & obamgoebbels

Schadenfreude on December 2, 2013 at 11:38 AM

The buggy whip industry is poised for a huge comeback! I just selected eleventy septillion buggy whips at buggywhip.net!

NotCoach on December 2, 2013 at 11:39 AM

Nurse Ratched & obamgoebbels

Schadenfreude on December 2, 2013 at 11:40 AM

It’s not the number that counts, it’s the percentage.

What percent is 100,000?

Ben Hur on December 2, 2013 at 11:40 AM

Next, the government will now start counting completed job applications as jobs created!

fbcmusicman on December 2, 2013 at 11:41 AM

Nurse Ratched & obamgoebbels

Schadenfreude on December 2, 2013 at 11:40 AM

At this point, shouldn’t she be Nurse Crashit?

Flange on December 2, 2013 at 11:42 AM

In related news, 100,000 Americans just had their personal data stolen by hackers from Belarus.

Totally unrelated, I’m sure of it.

Bishop on December 2, 2013 at 11:42 AM

Remember, you’re not officially enrolled until you’ve paid your first month of premiums.

Legally you’re not covered until you do that and, assuming the check clears, the insurance company officially enrolls you and issues an insurance policy.

TXUS on December 2, 2013 at 11:42 AM

The second part of the quoted statement ignores the fact the obama will spend whatever it takes to keep obamacare working, including subsidies to individuals and to insurance companies. Saying that it cannot survive financially makes no sense when there is no profit requirement, which is one joy of a government business.

GaltBlvnAtty on December 2, 2013 at 11:33 AM

Exactly right. It will not fail because it cannot fail. Period.

rrpjr on December 2, 2013 at 11:44 AM

The city of Flint has about 100,000 people. Just for a comparison.

Flange on December 2, 2013 at 11:27 AM

So are we supposed to compare to Flint? The size of the city or the fact that Flint is filled with the parasitic class that benefits most under Obamacare?

Happy Nomad on December 2, 2013 at 11:44 AM

The super vast majority of uninsured and who do not qualify for Medicaid are going to just pay the 1% of their income as a penalty rather than pay the much more expensive Obamacare crappy plans… Even with all available subsidies they are going to save a lot of money by just paying the 1% of their salary… Even the dumbest of the dumb can make these simple money calculations… They are not going to pay an extra $ 2,000 a year just to make Obama happy even if they stupidly worship the guy…

mnjg on December 2, 2013 at 11:44 AM

It’s not the number that counts, it’s the percentage.
What percent is 100,000?

Ben Hur on December 2, 2013 at 11:40 AM

100,000/7,000,000=0.01428571%

fbcmusicman on December 2, 2013 at 11:45 AM

100,000 Americans SS numbers, and other info are now on Russian hackers hard drives to be used at their pleasure .

“We Can”.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 2, 2013 at 11:45 AM

We actually got through the enrollment process….
The last step “pay” does not work through HealthCare.gov
I e-mailed my BCBS rep, gave him the Customer number, the plan
and the payment info. He does not have a clue what to do next?

His solution is to bypass HealthCare.gov and pay full boat…..

Plus HealthCare.gov won’t cover my 17 & 14 year old sons?

WTF???

The insurance rep says I have to buy them separate policies.

This is just one big pile of steaming horse crap.

redguy on December 2, 2013 at 11:46 AM

Remember, you’re not officially enrolled until you’ve paid your first month of premiums.

Legally you’re not covered until you do that and, assuming the check clears, the insurance company officially enrolls you and issues an insurance policy.

TXUS on December 2, 2013 at 11:42 AM

That’s the kicker – we went all the way through and the insurance rep has no clue what we should do or how to pay them….

redguy on December 2, 2013 at 11:48 AM

Millions lost their policies, and thousands signed up for new ones. In what universe does this constitute “progress”?

Socratease on December 2, 2013 at 11:36 AM

Thousands may have “signed-up” but there is a gap between Healthcare.gov and the insurance companies. I am sure that is a feature Obama has designed in…..

redguy on December 2, 2013 at 11:50 AM

I’ve selected for my harem all the Fox News daytime anchorettes and reportresses.

TXUS on December 2, 2013 at 11:50 AM

I know a Afghanistan 3 tour vet who can not find a job so he sits home and puts in fake O-care enrollments on the web site to seek revenge on the ROE’s that got him wounded.

What goes around comes around.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 2, 2013 at 11:50 AM

That’s the kicker – we went all the way through and the insurance rep has no clue what we should do or how to pay them….

redguy on December 2, 2013 at 11:48 AM

In related news, 100,000 Americans just had their personal data stolen by hackers from Belarus.

Totally unrelated, I’m sure of it.

Bishop on December 2, 2013 at 11:42 AM

Schadenfreude on December 2, 2013 at 11:51 AM

I know a Afghanistan 3 tour vet who can not find a job so he sits home and puts in fake O-care enrollments on the web site to seek revenge on the ROE’s that got him wounded.

What goes around comes around.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on December 2, 2013 at 11:50 AM

Please thank him for his service, then and now.

TXUS on December 2, 2013 at 11:51 AM

How many of these people are those that had their insurance cancelled and were forced to sign up again on ObamaCare?

I don’t think they will be happy folks. They will have lost their insurance, forced to waste time out of their life navigating OCare, getting new insurance that costs a lot more in most cases with comically bad out of pocket costs.

Seriously what average person, even some sick people, are going to pay for the privilege of paying $500-$1000 a month for insurance but also have to pay the first $6,000 in out of pocket health costs?

William Eaton on December 2, 2013 at 11:53 AM

Only morons, who want their identity stolen, go there.

On the numbers, meh. It’s what obama wants, failure.

Hillary will take it from there and save the National Helath’care’ for America.

Schadenfreude on December 2, 2013 at 11:35 AM

Only morons that need the subsidy like me.

There is no other way to get the subsidy.

If you enroll directly with the insurance company you don’t get a subsidy and they have a tick box you must check that says if you purchase directly – no subsidy for you….In my case it is about $650 per month. I can’t afford to pay full boat but I need my insurance because I am on expensive meds for RA.
Now the Risk Pool that I was on says I can stay there until end of March. i really don’t want to do that because eventually the day will come to get screwed by Obama.

redguy on December 2, 2013 at 11:54 AM

How many of these people are those that had their insurance cancelled and were forced to sign up again on ObamaCare?

I don’t think they will be happy folks. They will have lost their insurance, forced to waste time out of their life navigating OCare, getting new insurance that costs a lot more in most cases with comically bad out of pocket costs.

Seriously what average person, even some sick people, are going to pay for the privilege of paying $500-$1000 a month for insurance but also have to pay the first $6,000 in out of pocket health costs?

William Eaton on December 2, 2013 at 11:53 AM

That is the boat I am in….
I have spent about 40 hours on the site since it opened……
We got “enrolled” – just can’t pay now???

redguy on December 2, 2013 at 11:56 AM

Alternate Headline: “Amish Buggy Cart Now Converted to 4×4 Still Stuck”

hillsoftx on December 2, 2013 at 11:56 AM

Fail, is good news?

TX-96 on December 2, 2013 at 11:57 AM

Can’t wait to hear how many insurance plans were “Saved or created” from the website.

Gatsu on December 2, 2013 at 11:58 AM

100,000/7,000,000=0.01428571%

fbcmusicman on December 2, 2013 at 11:45 AM

stay with music, man. It’s 1.43% but it still doesn’t get close to covering the costs. That is why they inserted the “risk corridor” gambit. And it also explains they know a whole lot more than they are willing to admit.

DanMan on December 2, 2013 at 11:58 AM

Happy Nomad on December 2, 2013 at 11:44 AM

I’m just pointing out that it took a month to sign up the equivalent of Flint. That’s pretty pathetic. Any comparison of the obozobot leeches to the people of Flint I’ll leave up to you.

Flange on December 2, 2013 at 11:59 AM

because eventually the day will come to get screwed by Obama.

redguy on December 2, 2013 at 11:54 AM

Wow, good morning…the land, you too, are raped by obama.

Schadenfreude on December 2, 2013 at 12:01 PM

redguy on December 2, 2013 at 11:56 AM

No matter what you do or how you do it this clusterfark will end up screwing you and the rest of the nation. It’s a faulty plan from beginning to end that never had a chance of success.

If you think more government is the solution you obviously don’t understand the problem.

Oldnuke on December 2, 2013 at 12:01 PM

Laugh it up now. The Dems are winning with this travesty. It’s astonishing that the GOP can’t really get ahead even with this abject failure from the Dems.

2012 proved that the electorate is beyond help. After 2014 and especially 2016 will the GOP finally realize that can’t let things play out and wait for the electorate to “get” it?

happytobehere on December 2, 2013 at 12:02 PM

stay with music, man. It’s 1.43% but it still doesn’t get close to covering the costs. That is why they inserted the “risk corridor” gambit. And it also explains they know a whole lot more than they are willing to admit.

DanMan on December 2, 2013 at 11:58 AM

Jeesh! I caught that, after I had posted. Now you know why I’m not a math teacher but a minister of music. Wish they had a delete post button. Would save egg on many people’s faces, mostly mine!

fbcmusicman on December 2, 2013 at 12:03 PM

I created 5 accounts and selected 5 plans from 4 different states for which I do not reside.

So you can cut 5 off that number.

astonerii on December 2, 2013 at 12:04 PM

the person who asked for anonymity because the final numbers were still being calculated.

This alone tells me they are cooking it or it’s even more messed up than you can imagine. With such small numbers in the database, it should be a trivial (seriously, like, a few lines of query code) to extract whatever information you want.

WitchDoctor on December 2, 2013 at 12:04 PM

More propaganda and misdirection from the regime of The Lying Sack of America.

Mason on December 2, 2013 at 12:05 PM

It distressing that the conversation on Obamacare is mostly about cost and rarely about the usurpation of our God given rights. Except for on HA. Tyranny has taken a leap forward that hasn’t been seen in this country since the days of the founders.

:-(

csdeven on December 2, 2013 at 12:05 PM

Wish they had a delete post button. Would save egg on many people’s faces, mostly mine!

fbcmusicman on December 2, 2013 at 12:03 PM

no worries, what’s a couple of orders of magnitude when you’re talking about dem overreach?

DanMan on December 2, 2013 at 12:06 PM

Tyranny has taken a leap forward that hasn’t been seen in this country since the days of the founders.

:-(

csdeven on December 2, 2013 at 12:05 PM

Because the Rs are enablers of the D-rats, thus more culpable.

The land is raped from all sides.

Schadenfreude on December 2, 2013 at 12:07 PM

Next, the government will now start counting completed job applications as jobs created!

fbcmusicman on December 2, 2013 at 11:41 AM

.
That is much too much of a “hard number” approach for the Bureau of Lying Statistics …

… they start with a Birth/Death rate which ASSUMES everyone of now old enough to have a job gets a job …

… and then augments it’s fantasy by paying their subcontractor, the Census Bureau, to LIE about the number of and information from “household surveys” they did not conduct.

FYI, every unicorn daydreamed of by a BLS employee is worth 10,000 jobs/month.

PolAgnostic on December 2, 2013 at 12:08 PM

The insurance rep says I have to buy them separate policies.

This is just one big pile of steaming horse crap.

redguy on December 2, 2013 at 11:46 AM

You shouldn’t be surprised that the turd eaters in both the administration and the media haven’t been telling you that those great policies at great prices are only covering you. Family will be extra. Bend over.

As expensive as the individual polices are, just wait until you see the price of providing birth control for your kids.

oldroy on December 2, 2013 at 12:08 PM

It distressing that the conversation on Obamacare is mostly about cost and rarely about the usurpation of our God given rights. Except for on HA. Tyranny has taken a leap forward that hasn’t been seen in this country since the days of the founders.
:-(
csdeven on December 2, 2013 at 12:05 PM

You mean there are rights other than free abortions on demand?

-the electorate

happytobehere on December 2, 2013 at 12:08 PM

Keep in mind, that you do not have to use the exchanges to buy insurance. You only have to if you are going to rely on a subsidy. If you got a cancellation notice, there is nothing stopping you from calling up your insurer, going to eHealthInsurance.com, etc. and selecting a different plan.

For people unlikely to get a substantial subsidy, the identity theft issue may also loom large. They may be choosing to bypass the government system and do it the free-market way.

This means that the numbers of people buying on the website is not the whole of the story. It would be better to talk to the insurance companies and find out how many people are handling their insurance directly.

Of course, this also means that the numbers of people who are signing up through the government system are the ones most likely in need of subsidies or Medicaid.

HakerA on December 2, 2013 at 12:08 PM

We got “enrolled” – just can’t pay now???

redguy on December 2, 2013 at 11:56 AM

Terrible situation you’re in and we do care. If you’re not in one of the 14 or so states that actually run an exchange you’re probably not getting a federal subsidy either. Check the headlines.

DanMan on December 2, 2013 at 12:09 PM

redguy on December 2, 2013 at 11:56 AM

No matter what you do or how you do it this clusterfark will end up screwing you and the rest of the nation. It’s a faulty plan from beginning to end that never had a chance of success.

If you think more government is the solution you obviously don’t understand the problem.

Oldnuke on December 2, 2013 at 12:01 PM

I understand. If I was 90% healthy I would not care….since I am broke and sick…I am screwed.

I do not think the government is the solution. We worked hard here in Texas against ObamaCare.

Voted and worked for Ted Cruz. The only solution is Ted Cruz as President and full repeal.

redguy on December 2, 2013 at 12:09 PM

It’s time to adjust our dependent withholding so we have to pay rather than have a refund coming in fed taxes. (so far) they can’t enforce the penalty other than y bseizing our refunds.

csdeven on December 2, 2013 at 12:13 PM

So are we supposed to compare to Flint? The size of the city or the fact that Flint is filled with the parasitic class that benefits most under Obamacare?

Happy Nomad on December 2, 2013 at 11:44 AM

laffs…i see you’ve been to Flint….

going2mars on December 2, 2013 at 12:13 PM

Terrible situation you’re in and we do care. If you’re not in one of the 14 or so states that actually run an exchange you’re probably not getting a federal subsidy either. Check the headlines.

DanMan on December 2, 2013 at 12:09 PM

One wave of Obama’s Magic Constitutional Wand will take care of that.

oldroy on December 2, 2013 at 12:14 PM

MalarkeyCare

forest on December 2, 2013 at 12:14 PM

How many of these “applicants” are just people who logged on and created an account just to check out the prices and window shop. Methinks a bunch, if not the majority, of them.

tommyboy on December 2, 2013 at 12:20 PM

Because the Rs are enablers of the D-rats, thus more culpable.

The land is raped from all sides.

Schadenfreude on December 2, 2013 at 12:07 PM

And we get a double screwing while they exempt themselves from the laws they create for us. Good gravy! How absolutely STUPID, IGNORANT, and APATHETIC are the 50 million who voted for that fraud and his D co-conspirators and enabled the R’s to passively go along!

The greatest country in history is headed towards it’s demise in exactly the way the founders warned. Destruction from the inside because the citizenry is wicked. Why would God reward us for such behavior?

csdeven on December 2, 2013 at 12:21 PM

Report: 100,000 people selected a plan on Healthcare.gov in November

Headline’s wrong.

Corrected below.

Report: 100,000 identity-theft victims join Healthcare.gov-spawned crime wave in November

FlameWarrior on December 2, 2013 at 12:23 PM

If these are only “SELECTED” and not “PURCHASED”, then I’m sure it’s not too much of a strecth to think that Organizing for America or perhaps MoveOn.org help fudge the numbers.

GadsdenRattlers on December 2, 2013 at 12:24 PM

I selected the Moon as my retirement address.

This is notice to everyone who left their trash up there:

Get it off my lawn.

BobMbx on December 2, 2013 at 12:24 PM

Jeesh! I caught that, after I had posted. Now you know why I’m not a math teacher but a minister of music. Wish they had a delete post button. Would save egg on many people’s faces, mostly mine!

fbcmusicman on December 2, 2013 at 12:03 PM

Welcome to the club! :-)

Ya know we demanded a preview button to give us time to review our comment before making it public. LOL I don’t think we use it as much as we should.

csdeven on December 2, 2013 at 12:25 PM

GadsdenRattlers on December 2, 2013 at 12:24 PM

I spent 8 hours helping them fudge the numbers. High expectations cause high levels of anger when not produced.

astonerii on December 2, 2013 at 12:26 PM

ObamaCare can survive falling short of its numerical target; it can’t survive a risk pool that’s badly skewed towards sicker people.

Why does this fiction keep getting repeated?

The Amerian tax payer (and/or the printing of money) is the stop gap if the pool demographics don’t work out as the Democrat’s designed.

Carnac on December 2, 2013 at 12:30 PM

The reason insurers are FA-REEKING-OUT is because this here Obama HerfCare dot Gov is telling people they have selected a policy and they are covered… but.. guess whut.

They’re NOT!

And, State Insurance Commissions that regulate these carriers must…

You fill in the blanks.

Watch out for that giant steaming pyle of Obama coming right at our 57 states!

Mission? Accomplished. Impeach this bastige.

Key West Reader on December 2, 2013 at 12:30 PM

Total horse manure. Parse the language.

100 thou non-paying customers because the payment module doesnt exist.

Philly on December 2, 2013 at 11:33 AM

The middleware, back end and security are non existent. If the payment module is not even started, how many people are actually, really “enrolled?”

This is all BS for the LIVs and the NIVs.

dogsoldier on December 2, 2013 at 12:31 PM

Pretty sad if you think about it, 5,000,000 lose health insurance, and only 100,000 buy it.

Tater Salad on December 2, 2013 at 12:31 PM

One wave of Obama’s Magic Constitutional Wand will take care of that.

oldroy on December 2, 2013 at 12:14 PM

I’m thinking there are a few democrat senators up for re-election that may weigh in a few weeks. Keep the popcorn handy.

DanMan on December 2, 2013 at 12:32 PM

Tater Salad on December 2, 2013 at 12:31 PM

Except nobody has actually bought anything. Will a contract law person please tell us the validity of a contract with no “consideration?”

dogsoldier on December 2, 2013 at 12:33 PM

Total horse manure. Parse the language.

100 thou non-paying customers because the payment module doesnt exist.

Philly on December 2, 2013 at 11:33 AM

The middleware, back end and security are non existent. If the payment module is not even started, how many people are actually, really “enrolled?”

This is all BS for the LIVs and the NIVs.

dogsoldier on December 2, 2013 at 12:31 PM

This debacle will put most major health insurers out of business. Class Action Lawsuits anyone?

/Obama bundlers gonna git rich!

Key West Reader on December 2, 2013 at 12:34 PM

How many were paying customers and how many were low/no income freebies?

albill on December 2, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Looks like many are the victim of a spell:

Imperio (Imperius Curse)

Pronunciation: /ɪmˈpɪəri.oʊ/ im-peer-ee-oh

Description: Causes the victim of the curse to obey the spoken/unspoken commands of the caster. The experience of being controlled by this curse is described as a complete, wonderful release from any sense of responsibility or worry over one’s actions, at the price of one’s free will. Resisting the effect of the curse is possible, however, and several individuals have been able to successfully overcome it, including Harry and both of the Crouches, who learn to resist the curse after being subjected to its effects for an extended period. Harry describes the feeling of being the caster as controlling a marionette through a wand (although Harry’s particular experience is suspect due to his lack of commitment to casting Unforgivable Curses). One of the three Unforgivable Curses.

BobMbx on December 2, 2013 at 12:35 PM

Except nobody has actually bought anything. Will a contract law person please tell us the validity of a contract with no “consideration?”

dogsoldier on December 2, 2013 at 12:33 PM

That’s the issue. There is no back end for payment or integration between the insurers and the gubmint systems already in place. The ONLY thing these health insurers are likely to get is sued.

Most likely by the esteemed Eric Holder. They wanted to crash the system and they will crash the system. Gotta break a lotta eggs. And such. And so forth.

Dirty, rotten bastards.

Key West Reader on December 2, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Exclusive:

“Behind the scene” photo of Healthcare dot gov

BobMbx on December 2, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Exclusive:

“Behind the scene” photo of Healthcare dot gov

BobMbx on December 2, 2013 at 12:37 PM

404

/Sorry Bob!

Key West Reader on December 2, 2013 at 12:40 PM

100,000 people selected a plan on Healthcare.gov in November

Let’s put this in perspective.

If they enrolled 125,000 in October and November then they’ve averaged 2,049 per day or 14,343 per week. By comparison, Amazon is dealing with 18,360 PURCHASES each hour this Cyber Monday.

It seems to me about the most stupid thing that anybody could do is compare Healthcare.gov to commercial sites like Amazon. Truly only the most ignorant among us would make such claims.

Happy Nomad on December 2, 2013 at 12:41 PM

That’s the issue. There is no back end for payment or integration between the insurers and the gubmint systems already in place. The ONLY thing these health insurers are likely to get is sued.

Most likely by the esteemed Eric Holder. They wanted to crash the system and they will crash the system. Gotta break a lotta eggs. And such. And so forth.

Dirty, rotten bastards.

Key West Reader on December 2, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Yes, I am re-posting my own post because the intention of this “administration” has become so painfully obvious it can no longer be ignored.

You’re all going on Medicaid, bicches. And don’t you dare complain.. Ya freaking racists.

Key West Reader on December 2, 2013 at 12:41 PM

The media should demand a full accounting of the details of the numbers Obama is pushing!

Oh wait….

csdeven on December 2, 2013 at 12:46 PM

Lots of us repeat the notion that obamacare enrollees will be outraged when they discover they were not able to keep their doctor. My guess is that obama and his crew are putting together a major PR campaign to blame that one on the insurance companies. I don’t recall having seen any government documents proving that HHS and the obama administration were aware of that in the manner they were aware that people would not be able to keep their plans.

GaltBlvnAtty on December 2, 2013 at 12:57 PM

404

/Sorry Bob!

Key West Reader on December 2, 2013 at 12:40 PM

Nobody is madder than me about that problem.

Exclusive:

Behind the scene” photo of Healthcare dot gov

BobMbx on December 2, 2013 at 12:59 PM

By “selected a plan,” do they mean people who’ve completed enrollment or people at some lesser step in the process, like placing a plan in their virtual shopping cart without proceeding to checkout?

They mean plans “created or saved [in a cart]“.

And … just as the GOP douchebags let Barky and his junta get away with the laughable “jobs created or saved” they are allowing this intentional lying and idiocy to continue unabated from the Sukarno junta.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 2, 2013 at 1:17 PM

I don’t believe anything those lying sacks of shite in Washington say anymore.

RebeccaH on December 2, 2013 at 1:43 PM

off topic/

I didn’t see a Walking Dead thread today on Hot Air. Last night was the mid-season finale. It was pretty exciting.

I thought for sure we’d get a WD thread today.

TigerPaw on December 2, 2013 at 1:45 PM

So they yank your health coverage out of your hands without even an acknowledgement that they lied to your face, and then crow with orgasamic political glee when you’re forced into the welfare cattle chute they’ve prepared for you, even though it doesn’t work?

Absolutely despicable.

Good Lt on December 2, 2013 at 1:46 PM

BobMbx on December 2, 2013 at 12:59 PM

Thank you.

Just remember.. In the coming days the only ones that will be responsible for Obama’s HefCare dot gov? Will be the insurers.

Who are about to be put out of business by class action lawsuits, brought forth by Obama backers.

Suxta be an American right now. And also an absolute WINDFALL for the plaintiff’s bar.

Well done, Obama you farcking hack ass somebicch. I hate you.

Key West Reader on December 2, 2013 at 1:47 PM

Absolutely despicable.

Good Lt on December 2, 2013 at 1:46 PM

Bend over. Let Reggie check ye azzhole.

/Sorry to be so crude but this is the most despicable act ever to be forced (yeah, forced) on our Nation.

“Let Reggie check ye azzhole”

Key West Reader on December 2, 2013 at 1:49 PM

It’s time to adjust our dependent withholding so we have to pay rather than have a refund coming in fed taxes. (so far) they can’t enforce the penalty other than y bseizing our refunds.

csdeven on December 2, 2013 at 12:13 PM

I don’t remember the details, but I’ve heard that the IRS has already figured a way around this ‘loophole’, in order to ensure people get penalized.

They can simply add it to your taxes due, and if you do as you describe, you won’t pay enough – then, they could theoretically even ding you for not paying enough and on time, so you get additional penalties and interest until you *do* pay the penalty in addition to the taxes you owe…

Midas on December 2, 2013 at 1:50 PM

It distressing that the conversation on Obamacare is mostly about cost and rarely about the usurpation of our God given rights.
csdeven on December 2, 2013 at 12:05 PM

I didn’t hear Cruz mention this point once in his filibuster. Maybe he did, I didn’t hear it. No one does. The most damning case I’ve heard has come from a liberal, Camille Paglia. She attacks Obamacare ENTIRELY based on its violation of individual sovereignty. Haven’t heard one conservative politician make the same forceful case. We’re a dumb-f*ck, timid and morally bankrupt party. The only thing we dare talk about is money.

rrpjr on December 2, 2013 at 1:54 PM

Got Poi?

Look to the states, say Obamacare proponents desperate for success stories. A state they won’t be looking to is Hawaii, where the rollout of the health-care law has been an epic fiasco.

-snip-

Though it enthusiastically embraced the health law, it has been crippled by tech problems, and the executive director recently announced that she will be stepping down. Because Hawaii legislators exempted the health law from many of the rules that hold other government ventures accountable, there remain more questions than answers about the debacle.

By latest count, only 257 Hawaiians have enrolled — all of them individuals who earn enough to be disqualified from subsidies. Moreover, the Hawaii Health Connector still can’t effectively connect to the state’s Medicaid system, leaving the poorer applicants who’ve attempted to buy insurance in indefinite limbo.

Put differently, it has cost $778,000 in federal funds for each individual who has successfully enrolled in Hawaii — and all of them have been people who would likely have been able to afford health insurance.

Auwe!

Del Dolemonte on December 2, 2013 at 1:58 PM

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