Quotes of the day

posted at 10:11 pm on December 2, 2013 by Allahpundit

The health care website faced its first big test Monday since the Obama administration said it met its deadline to make HealthCare.gov work smoothly for the vast majority of shoppers. Trouble since the site’s debut in October has cut into enrollments.

CBS News learned that about 100,000 signed up online in November for a total of more than 206,000 so far, but that’s 1 million short of the projected enrollment…

[D]espite promises the website could handle 50,000 users at the same time, the queuing system was turned on Monday at approximately 35,000 users. Officials said they had to “maximize the smooth user experience” for those who applied first.

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The White House on Monday reported a “surge” in interest to HealthCare.gov, with spokesman Jay Carney saying the site had 375,000 visits by noon.

Carney’s comments come after ObamaCare officials on Sunday announced that “dramatic progress” had been made, allowing a vast majority of users to enroll in health plans through HealthCare.gov…

Carney said that a “majority” of necessary fixes had been made to the electronic forms that transmit consumer information from the federal government to insurers. He added that the administration was in “daily” contact with the insurance companies to iron out additional glitches.

“We expect the info now sent to insurers to be vastly improved,” he said.

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Three reporters — one from the Los Angeles Times, one from The Wall Street Journal and I — asked Bataille for information on how many of the 834s sent out so far have had an error. This is a question that I’ve asked on three previous calls, a point made by the Los Angeles Times’s Noam Levey as he asked for his second time.

This is where Monday’s media call started to get more tense than the dozens that have happened in the past, with reporter after reporter asking about the numbers of 834 errors and not getting a response from the administration. As The Wall Street Journal reporter reasoned, if the administration knows that 80 percent of the errors are coming from a certain bug — then simple math should figure out the total number.

Bataille did not provide an answer, beyond the metric of the Social Security bug causing the majority of the errors. “That’s the information I’ve got today,” she told The Wall Street Journal’s Louise Radnofsky, when she was the third reporter to ask about the issue.

The administration has identified the 834 transmissions as key to the health law’s success. When Jeff Zients came onboard to help fix HealthCare.gov, he identified fixing these flawed transmissions as the issue at the very top of of his punch list. The reason I’ve kept asking about it is because experts tell me repeatedly that if the health law wants to have a shot at working, then the 834 transmissions need to work, too.

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But reached by email after the conference call, AHIP spokesman Robert Zirkelback told the Washington Examiner: “Health plans continue to experience significant problems with the ‘834’ enrollment files.”

During the CMS call, Bataille would not disclose the error rates on the 834 transactions, despite several attempts from several different reporters.

On an Oct. 24 conference call, Bataille claimed that the errors were “isolated” and then a day later Jeff Zients, who was brought in to oversee fixes to the troubled Obamacare website, said the errors were actually on top of CMS’s list of fixes.

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A recent Gallup survey revealed that familiarity with the Affordable Care Act has recently spiked, with the majority of Americans – including virtually all subgroups and demographics – expressing some familiarity with the law. The problem for ACA supporters, however, is that opposition to the sweeping 2010 health care reform law has also increased dramatically

Among the groups who are most familiar with the law are Republicans, 88 percent of whom described themselves as familiar with the ACA, and those making more than $90,000 per year, of which group 90 percent identified themselves as being familiar with the law.

Via Gallup.

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***

Democrats are praying that this weekend’s relaunch of the Obamacare Web site will save them from an electoral bloodbath in 2014. Their hopes are misplaced. Here are five numbers that suggest that public anger over Obamacare will only grow as Election Day 2014 approaches:

5.5 million. That is how many people the administration needs to sign up in just 23 days because Obamacare drove them out of their health-care plans. That’s some 240,000 sign-ups every single day, just to break even. Getting that many enrolled in a few weeks would be extraordinarily difficult even if the Web site were working perfectly, which it isn’t. According to the New York Times, the system is still sending insurers inaccurate or incomplete information, and the companies are being “deluged with phone calls from people who believe they have signed up for a particular health plan, only to find that the company has no record of the enrollment.” As a result, many Americans could find themselves without insurance on Jan. 1. Their anger at those responsible for putting them through this panic and disruption is not likely to subside by November 2014.

50 million. That is how many Americans will be surprised to find their employer-based health plans dropped or substantially changed next year because of Obamacare. Some will see their plans canceled; others will lose their doctors and see premiums or deductibles rise dramatically. If Democrats think the public is mad about 5.5 million cancellations in the individual market today, imagine the outrage when tens of millions lose their plans in October 2014, right before Election Day.

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The question now is whether people will enroll even if the website is functioning. The best comparison to Obamacare is the Massachusetts Health Connector, better known as Romneycare, the universal health-care program in Massachusetts enacted when Mitt Romney was the state’s governor. Romneycare was fully rolled out in May 2007, but the requirement for all Massachusetts residents to have insurance didn’t take effect until December 31. The result was a late surge in enrollment in December…

For the reforms of Obamacare to work, the framework of the Affordable Care Act requires mass enrollment. The individual mandate was introduced precisely to reduce the uncertainty over enrollment numbers and use the premiums of otherwise healthy uninsured people to underwrite the cost of banning discrimination based on preexisting conditions. But the website shortcomings didn’t just slow the pace of enrollment, they undermined confidence in the entire program. After all, if the government can’t run simple HTML code, how can it be capable of handling the health-care industry? The test of the website in the coming weeks isn’t just whether it will work but whether its failures have already fatally undermined consumer confidence in Obamacare as a whole.

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From the first day of October, there have been two kinds of critics of the poor performance of healthcare.gov: those who were disappointed that the site was so bad, and those who were ecstatic that it didn’t work. With the relaunch this weekend, it looks like the administration has succeeded in doing a lot to address the concerns of universal health care’s enemies, but very little to sooth the concerns of its friends. Essentially they’re delivering a product that’s just usable enough to prevent the underlying program from failing, without doing anything to alter the public’s general perception of government…

Perhaps the most telling part of Sunday’s briefing with the press was when Jeffrey Zients, the administration veteran who’s been tapped to lead the healthcare.gov fixes, bragged that the team is now working with “private sector velocity and effectiveness.” This is probably not entirely true—civil service prevents the kind of swift firing and staffing-up that a private firm in crisis would attempt—but everyone knew exactly what he meant: The government, according to the people who run the government, shouldn’t be expected to do things well.

That’s an enormous lowering of expectations, and a reminder to liberals about the formidable barriers to further expansion of the welfare state. The public has long been skeptical of the political system’s practical ability to do the things progressives say they want to do. A health care website that comes in months late, over budget, and still lacking full functionality confirms all those fears when it was initially meant to debunk them. And that’s true whether or not it in some sense “works.”

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Via Mediaite.

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Via RCP.


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bishop?

CoffeeLover on December 2, 2013 at 10:12 PM

wooo hooo

Evening All!

CoffeeLover on December 2, 2013 at 10:13 PM

lol..CL

bazil9 on December 2, 2013 at 10:14 PM

According to the New York Times, the system is still sending insurers inaccurate or incomplete information, and the companies are being “deluged with phone calls from people who believe they have signed up for a particular health plan, only to find that the company has no record of the enrollment.” As a result, many Americans could find themselves without insurance on Jan. 1. Their anger at those responsible for putting them through this panic and disruption is not likely to subside by November 2014.

CL..per my reference a few nights ago.

bazil9 on December 2, 2013 at 10:16 PM

I snuck in ahead of KCB. LOL

CoffeeLover on December 2, 2013 at 10:16 PM

“When you develop a website, you develop it with security in mind. And it doesn’t appear to have happened this time,” said David Kennedy, a so-called “white hat” hacker who tests online security by breaching websites. He testified on Capitol Hill about the flaws of HealthCare.gov last week.

“It’s really hard to go back and fix the security around it because security wasn’t built into it,” said Kennedy, chief executive of TrustedSec. “We’re talking multiple months to over a year to at least address some of the critical-to-high exposures on the website itself.”

http://tinyurl.com/mjvduq7

davidk on December 2, 2013 at 10:17 PM

b9 I thought of you immediately upon reading about the 834s were not working!

CoffeeLover on December 2, 2013 at 10:18 PM

And I do not believe as many are getting signed up as they are reporting.

Veracity concerning obamacare is historically lacking.

davidk on December 2, 2013 at 10:19 PM

Oh yeah. If someone hadn’t erased my cookies and I had a good modem and could type faster I would have got the Bish tonight.

Plus my freaking password is hard to remember.

Anyway congrats to CL. Lucky for her my wifi goes in circles.

SparkPlug on December 2, 2013 at 10:19 PM

Here’s one for you, bazil9.

jaime on December 2, 2013 at 10:20 PM

the Drudge headline just floors me “SHOCK CLAIM: NO SECURITY EVER BUILT INTO OBAMACARE SITE”

but I wouldn’t be surprised at all. O doesn’t seem to care who wealth is redistributed to what’s few thousand hackers!

CoffeeLover on December 2, 2013 at 10:20 PM

I tied Ken to a tree. That took some time also.

SparkPlug on December 2, 2013 at 10:20 PM

Hey will get loose in a few minutes.

SparkPlug on December 2, 2013 at 10:21 PM

SparkPlug on December 2, 2013 at 10:19 PM

;)

Hi there Spark!

CoffeeLover on December 2, 2013 at 10:21 PM

I’m laughing here as Glen Beck will be on with Hannity tonight. I thought there was a feud between Levin and Beck and Hannity took Levin’s side!!! lol

CoffeeLover on December 2, 2013 at 10:23 PM

I tied Ken to a tree. That took some time also.

SparkPlug on December 2, 2013 at 10:20 PM

LOL!!

Here’s one for you, bazil9.

jaime on December 2, 2013 at 10:20 PM

How sweet of you Jaime! TY.
Nice to see you as always.

bazil9 on December 2, 2013 at 10:23 PM

SPRING BREAK!!!: http://twscruise.com/

davidk on December 2, 2013 at 10:24 PM

CoffeeLover on December 2, 2013 at 10:21 PM

Hi CL. Whose doing da brew tonight. I fixed B9s coffee maker but now all it does is pee water.

SparkPlug on December 2, 2013 at 10:25 PM

Over The Rainbow

jaime on December 2, 2013 at 10:25 PM

I snuck in ahead of KCB. LOL

CoffeeLover on December 2, 2013 at 10:16 PM

…it’s ok!…KCB…doesn’t break fingers…or take out knees!

KOOLAID2 on December 2, 2013 at 10:25 PM

bazil9 on December 2, 2013 at 10:23 PM

Good to see you, B9. I can’t stay long tonight, but I thought I’d look in and say Hi.

jaime on December 2, 2013 at 10:26 PM

CoffeeLover on December 2, 2013 at 10:18 PM

Yeah..I am watching from the other end..and it is ugly.
Jan 1st..when the real explosion comes..imo.
Also..I am safe but I think of those with chronic
illnesses receiving and desperately needing ongoing treatment.
Chemo, Dialysis, RX….it makes my heart break.
Real pain is coming.

bazil9 on December 2, 2013 at 10:26 PM

In December?: minnesota.cbslocal.com/2013/12/01/wisconsin-dnr-struggling-to-curb-sex-at-nude-beach/

davidk on December 2, 2013 at 10:26 PM

spokesman Jay Carney saying the site had 375,000 visits by noon

Even if that were true, I’d guess that 90% of it would be people just checking for a quick laugh to see if the front page is even up.

whatcat on December 2, 2013 at 10:27 PM

jaime on December 2, 2013 at 10:26 PM

:D

bazil9 on December 2, 2013 at 10:27 PM

One Night in Bangkok

jaime on December 2, 2013 at 10:28 PM

ObamaCare is actually killing people.

ObamaCare is causing death and pain kind of like a bag of chernobl chips.

SparkPlug on December 2, 2013 at 10:30 PM

Spark…….omg LOL

Koolaid…..thank goodness

B9….that’s what I am afraid of. I fear it causes someone to die.

_______-

OMG..Tamara Holder is dissing oCare. She actually said “do away with obamacare”

CoffeeLover on December 2, 2013 at 10:31 PM

I fixed B9s coffee maker but now all it does is pee water.

SparkPlug on December 2, 2013 at 10:25 PM

Your sleeping on the bottom bunk tonight. ;)

bazil9 on December 2, 2013 at 10:33 PM

OMG..Tamara Holder is dissing oCare. She actually said “do away with obamacare”

CoffeeLover on December 2, 2013 at 10:31 PM

wow!

bazil9 on December 2, 2013 at 10:34 PM

Bad Girl

LoL – I doubt they’ve ever seen a bad girl.

jaime on December 2, 2013 at 10:35 PM

bazil9 on December 2, 2013 at 10:33 PM

Opps. Ok I borrowed some money from our cookie jar to buy you a new coffee maker and a trampoline upgrade.

Ps: we need to cut a bigger hole in the living room ceiling.

You are hard to buy for since you already have a pair of rock lobster oven mitts.

SparkPlug on December 2, 2013 at 10:36 PM

The White House on Monday reported a “surge” in interest to HealthCare.gov, with spokesman Jay Carney saying the site had 375,000 visits by noon.

Another surge: http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2013/12/02/Obama-s-Tech-Surge-Consisted-of-Six-People

davidk on December 2, 2013 at 10:37 PM

Breath of Life

jaime on December 2, 2013 at 10:37 PM

I’m laughing here as Glen Beck will be on with Hannity tonight. I thought there was a feud between Levin and Beck and Hannity took Levin’s side!!! lol

CoffeeLover on December 2, 2013 at 10:23 PM

What ever feud there may have been is over. Beck had Levin on his program a few months ago. Not to mention Levin has said some nice things about Beck not long ago.

jawkneemusic on December 2, 2013 at 10:37 PM

O/T Because rust never sleeps…
Look at what OFA has planned to keep Newtown,CT a political issue:
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/365295/organizing-action-wants-people-host-newtown-remembrance-events-push-background-checks

onlineanalyst on December 2, 2013 at 10:38 PM

While I was gone did Axe fess up to wearing frog green tights for #cough# “theatrical purposes?

SparkPlug on December 2, 2013 at 10:38 PM

jawkneemusic on December 2, 2013 at 10:37 PM

thanks I didn’t know.

CoffeeLover on December 2, 2013 at 10:40 PM

I’m not signing up for sh!t.. ever.

No signature, no contract.

Tickle your colon with that.

wolly4321 on December 2, 2013 at 10:40 PM

What See-BS doesn’t realize is those 206,000 were redirected to impostor websites and now are the proud owners of earwax vacuums and potato peeling gloves.

viking01 on December 2, 2013 at 10:41 PM

Tickle your colon with that.

wolly4321 on December 2, 2013 at 10:40 PM

ewwww…but made me laugh..

bazil9 on December 2, 2013 at 10:42 PM

At this point, I think the subtextual objective of Obamacare is to drive the American population crazy.

Lourdes on December 2, 2013 at 10:44 PM

By now everyone pretty much knows that ObamaCare is a debacle which might explain why Moochelle is harvesting genital warts on her mug because of the stress.

Meanwhile that has actually improved her appearance. Too bad Barry still throws like a woman wearing mom jeans.

SparkPlug on December 2, 2013 at 10:44 PM

aaah Wolly LOL

CoffeeLover on December 2, 2013 at 10:45 PM

OMG..Tamara Holder is dissing oCare. She actually said “do away with obamacare”

CoffeeLover on December 2, 2013 at 10:31 PM

Very big shock!

Lourdes on December 2, 2013 at 10:46 PM

I don’t think I really care what the Pope has to say.

wolly4321 on December 2, 2013 at 10:46 PM

spokesman Jay Carney saying the site had 375,000 visits by noon

Even if that were true, I’d guess that 90% of it would be people just checking for a quick laugh to see if the front page is even up.

whatcat on December 2, 2013 at 10:27 PM

Don’t forget the bots they have running to try and juice the numbers – even though they are pathetic numbers, anyway. I think half of those “visits” might be having to reload pages that wouldn’t deliver correctly, too …

I can’t wait until the death panels are up and running full steam. Their errors are going to make this web site fiasco look like super-competence. At least, with the death panel mistakes, the people caught in the “bugs” won’t be around to complain …

“We’ve gotten zero complaints from people assigned death by our panel of super-human geniuses.”

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 2, 2013 at 10:47 PM

Last Train To Clarksville

jaime on December 2, 2013 at 10:48 PM

Lourdes on December 2, 2013 at 10:46 PM

I was shocked myself. I was multitasking so all my attention was not on the segment.

I am so amazed at watching Beck and Hannity. They are so polite and nice to one another. Weird.

CoffeeLover on December 2, 2013 at 10:49 PM

jaime on December 2, 2013 at 10:48 PM

hey hey The Monkees. :)

CoffeeLover on December 2, 2013 at 10:50 PM

Does someone have a historical perspective on Popes being right or wrong before World wars?

wolly4321 on December 2, 2013 at 10:51 PM

Oops: http://whyouth.ca/

davidk on December 2, 2013 at 10:52 PM

My Best Friend’s Girl

jaime on December 2, 2013 at 10:52 PM

In December?: minnesota.cbslocal.com/2013/12/01/wisconsin-dnr-struggling-to-curb-sex-at-nude-beach/

davidk on December 2, 2013 at 10:26 PM

I was just dropping my line into the hole during ice fishing season, Officer.

whatcat on December 2, 2013 at 10:54 PM

SoRo!
U have been missed!

bazil9 on December 2, 2013 at 10:55 PM

Pic of the Day: Mag Cover Of The Year

Resist We Much on December 2, 2013 at 10:54 PM

Whenever I think of Barky and water, this is what comes to my mind.

A genius the guy is!! GEENEEYUS!!

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 2, 2013 at 10:56 PM

Resist We Much on December 2, 2013 at 10:53 PM

Well hello there sweet cheeks. What’s shaking?

Ok that was misogynistic. So sue me. Opps nevermind, you are a brainy lawyer. I might end up doing the perp walk.

SparkPlug on December 2, 2013 at 10:57 PM

I Want You to Want Me

jaime on December 2, 2013 at 10:58 PM

“It will work for the majority of people”.

Is that like:

“Your car is 80% repaired”.

“Your wife is 80% faithful”.

“Your cancer is 80% in remission.”

“Your paycheck is 80% guaranteed.”

GarandFan on December 2, 2013 at 10:58 PM

r. Weird. CoffeeLover on December 2, 2013 at 10:4

Beck loaned Hannity his studio. Hannity is having problems, I think. Bumped to late night. He’s tryiny to save it.

Looking for edge. Beck is edge.

wolly4321 on December 2, 2013 at 10:59 PM

Blow the Axe horn. SoRo is here.

SparkPlug on December 2, 2013 at 10:59 PM

OMG..Tamara Holder is dissing oCare. She actually said “do away with obamacare”

CoffeeLover on December 2, 2013 at 10:31 PM

The democrats are finally getting a dose of reality……it sucks for them – to be idiots….

They realize the only hope they might have in 2016 is to get rid of ObamaCare….

They won’t give up on Obama (yet) but they might have to…..

The socialists in the democratic party will be run out of the party…..

Just like the RINOS in the GOP….

redguy on December 2, 2013 at 11:00 PM

I don’t think I really care what the Pope has to say.

wolly4321 on December 2, 2013 at 10:46 PM

The last I saw….

The Pope didn’t wake up with me this morning…

And Hollywood can go fluck themselves…

And that goes for any won that thinks otherwise…

Electrongod on December 2, 2013 at 11:00 PM

This is probably not entirely true—civil service prevents the kind of swift firing and staffing-up that a private firm in crisis would attempt—but everyone knew exactly what he meant: The government, according to the people who run the government, shouldn’t be expected to do things well.

it is impossible to catalog all the bigotry and stupidity
of leftist brain. this is a small example. Successful private enterprises don’t rapidly fire people. The attract good people and train them if needed. The have sound management systems to guide production and delegate to the lowest level.

they have pride. they hire smart people. they hire motivated people. Production systems are a function of engineering…not patronage.

like i say this is a minor example of leftist stupidity…yet..they want to change the world. Severely stupid

r keller on December 2, 2013 at 11:01 PM

Hi SWalker O_o

Now where is that little Scrumpy poet person?

SparkPlug on December 2, 2013 at 11:03 PM

Hallelujah

jaime on December 2, 2013 at 11:03 PM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 2, 2013 at 10:47 PM

Yup, the Ocare site disaster is just a preview. The worst is yet to come.

whatcat on December 2, 2013 at 11:04 PM

wolly4321 on December 2, 2013 at 10:59 PM

Interesting. I wouldn’t mind having Beck become a regular (not that Beck needs to). I miss his connect the dots shows.

EG and RWM…don’t know if you saw the other thread. Hi to you both!

Redguy I hope not only these pundits but the rest of MSM.

CoffeeLover on December 2, 2013 at 11:04 PM

A government built on lies…so where do we go from here?

d1carter on December 2, 2013 at 11:04 PM

“It will work for the majority of people”.

Is that like:

“Your car is 80% repaired”.

“Your wife is 80% faithful”.

“Your cancer is 80% in remission.”

“Your paycheck is 80% guaranteed.”

GarandFan on December 2, 2013 at 10:58 PM

That is what I think when people describe themselves as moderate.

davidk on December 2, 2013 at 11:04 PM

Sarah heard it and sensed it sounded liberal.

She wants to read it BEFORE she votes on it.

Let’s keep her.

renalin on December 2, 2013 at 11:05 PM

Okay. Poll time.

How many of you have signed up?

How many will?

Lets get Ed to poll that.

wolly4321 on December 2, 2013 at 11:05 PM

r keller on December 2, 2013 at 11:01 PM

And they had three years to do this thing.

davidk on December 2, 2013 at 11:06 PM

“Your car is 80% repaired”.

“Your wife is 80% faithful”.

“Your cancer is 80% in remission.”

“Your paycheck is 80% guaranteed.”

GarandFan on December 2, 2013 at 10:58 PM

William Tell: “I hit the apple 80% of the time.”

whatcat on December 2, 2013 at 11:07 PM

Okay. Poll time.

How many of you have signed up?

How many will?

Lets get Ed to poll that.

wolly4321 on December 2, 2013 at 11:05 PM

I have made a commitment…

As of my anniversary date next year (Oct), when my non-grandfathered plan will expire….because it changed last year…due to ObamaCare….
I will not comply…..
Fluck them…..

I have nothing to loose..

Electrongod on December 2, 2013 at 11:09 PM

Oh my…they gave Don Lemon his own show on CNN at 11pm — The 11th Hour. He’s interviewing the ‘pot editor.’

CoffeeLover on December 2, 2013 at 11:09 PM

CoffeeLover on December 2, 2013 at 11:09 PM

Nice Bish!

KCB on December 2, 2013 at 11:10 PM

Frza ‏@TheRealFRZA 12m

#LOLmerica – Where this is something that *actually* exists http://yrnf.com but #WHYouth is trending.

davidk on December 2, 2013 at 11:11 PM

Maneater

jaime on December 2, 2013 at 11:11 PM

government built on lies…so where do we go from here? d1carter on December 2, 2013 at 11:04

They are called foxholes and trenchlines.

wolly4321 on December 2, 2013 at 11:11 PM

Does someone have a historical perspective on Popes being right or wrong before World wars?

wolly4321 on December 2, 2013 at 10:51 PM

I missed it-what did he say?

wolverinefan on December 2, 2013 at 11:12 PM

KCB on December 2, 2013 at 11:10 PM

I did my best!!! lol (waving)

CoffeeLover on December 2, 2013 at 11:13 PM

Obamacare

FIFY

Barky & Jay-Jay

fogw on December 2, 2013 at 11:15 PM

Wrapped Around Your Finger

jaime on December 2, 2013 at 11:15 PM

jaime on December 2, 2013 at 11:11 PM

Hi. Thanks for the tunes. (:

SparkPlug on December 2, 2013 at 11:18 PM

Electrongod on December 2, 2013 at 11:09 PM

…waves to Eg…as I go to do animal chores.

KOOLAID2 on December 2, 2013 at 11:20 PM

….. Fluck them….. I have nothing to loose.. Electrongod on December 2, 2013 at 11:09 PM

Me either.

I’m glad your on our side. You are a good man.

They won’t beat us. We are hardheaded bastards.

wolly4321 on December 2, 2013 at 11:20 PM

Hi. Thanks for the tunes. (:

SparkPlug on December 2, 2013 at 11:18 PM

I’m happy you like them, Sparks. Would you like me to play anything in particular?

jaime on December 2, 2013 at 11:21 PM

jaime on December 2, 2013 at 11:21 PM

You can play misty for me. Hehe.

SparkPlug on December 2, 2013 at 11:22 PM

Ain’t Misbehavin’

jaime on December 2, 2013 at 11:22 PM

Misty

jaime on December 2, 2013 at 11:26 PM

OT/ Been following the tweets at #WHYouth on twitter

Priceless!!

wolverinefan on December 2, 2013 at 11:26 PM

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