Video: The PR push this weekend will have a strangely missing ingredient

posted at 1:01 pm on November 27, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

And that will be “the price.” This segment on Fox Business with Forbes’ Avik Roy starts off by discussing the continuing security gaps in Healthcare.gov, which leave consumers vulnerable to identity theft by exposing their private data in the exchange.  The middle of the segment is even more intriguing, though, as Roy points out that the entities pushing older Americans to “have the talk” with their younger family members is a supreme expression of self-interest — and that “the talk” doesn’t include how younger consumers are getting exploited to subsidize the premium prices of older consumers (via The Corner):

PCWorld warned readers this week about the shockingly substandard data security on Healthcare.gov:

White-hat hackers examine systems, searching for security flaws. But instead of criminally exploiting whatever flaws they find, they report them so that the systems can become more secure. Kennedy is chief executive of TrustedSec, a security company.

On a Monday morning interview on CNBC, Kennedy offered some harsh words about the Obamacare Web site. After noting the well-publicized performance problems, “we basically started poking and prodding and looking at the security, and we found that it was pretty bad all around… Putting your information on there is definitely a risk.”

What could happen to people who use the site should it be compromised? Kennedy warns of “everything from hacking someone’s computer so when you visit the website it actually tries to hack your computer back, all the way to being able to extract email addresses, users names—first name, last name—[and] locations.”

Kennedy testified before Congress last week on the issue, and TrustedSec published a damning report. TrustedSec found “clear indicators that even basic security was not built into the healthcare.gov website.” The report warns “the website has critical risks associated with it and security concerns should be remediated immediately.”

Kennedy explained to CNBC that “When you develop a website, you develop it with security in mind. And it doesn’t appear to have happened this time…It’s really hard to go back and fix the security around it because security wasn’t built into it.”

How long will it take to fix the site? Kennedy estimated on CNBC that ” We’re talking about multiple months to over a year.”

Well, that’ll make for cheery conversation around the Thanksgiving table tomorrow, won’t it?  But rather than arm up for a big fight over politics and “the talk,” perhaps we should spend Thanksgiving … being thankful.  I know this is a radical concept this year, but in my column at The Week, I make the plea to leave the feast of blessing alone — for the good of the ObamaCare activists, really:

Organizing for America expects a lot more from the president’s supporters than a placemat on the table. OFA (at the URL barackobama.com, no less) has an extensive, four-step process designed to force family members into discussing and debating the merits of the Affordable Care Act, better known as ObamaCare — and as a disaster for the White House and Democrats. Millions have lost coverage thanks to the mandates in the individual markets, and at least 14 million more may lose their employer-based coverage by next Thanksgiving.

Given these conditions, urging activists to “have the talk” with family and friends seems almost like a suicide mission. Step 3 provides helpful conversation starters, such as, “Have you thought about signing up for health insurance on the new marketplace?” This suggests that people have achoice in doing so, as though it’s a helpful elective for regular folks. ObamaCare forces those not covered in employer-based group plans to enroll through their web portal or directly through insurers by the end of the year, or face a fine. With all of the news about the failures of the front end of the website, most of those who have no choice probably want to postpone it as long as possible — especially since the back-end functions of the site either don’t exist or don’t work properly yet. In fact, the White House just announced that its December 1 deadline for “full functionality” has changed to an expectation of somewhat fewer periods of “suboptimal performance.”

That brings us to the next icebreaker suggested by OFA: “Would you like to take some time with me to sign up right now?” Based on the performance of the Healthcare.gov website, “some time” might mean “we’ll miss dinner and dessert and still not get enrolled.” OFA then tells its activists to “ask them to make a plan, and commit to it,” when the people who had 42 months to deliver a web portal not only couldn’t succeed in meeting their own self-imposed deadline, they couldn’t stick to the fallback repair date, either. The Obama administration has attempted to defend its abject failure by citing the complexity of the project and its infrastructure. OFA, however, considers complexity for users in the face of all this dysfunction a “misconception,” for which it offers activists a scripted rebuttal.

This Thanksgiving, may our readers have the blessing of avoiding such table talk. We have plenty of time to debate the issues of the day. Let’s spend one day — just one — appreciating each other for who we are, rather than for our policy positions.

Do it for the children.


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Why are conservatives so fearful of substantive conversation with their loved ones? would they prefer to talk about the latest honey boo boo episodes instead?

nonpartisan on November 26, 2013 at 6:16 PM

the amount of posts hotair can gin up about some deadlines boggles my mind!

nonpartisan on November 27, 2013 at 12:04 PM

Schadenfreude on November 27, 2013 at 1:08 PM

Thanksgiving 2013 will be very Goebellian and confusing.

Thanksgiving 2014 s/b glorious, were the Rs smart, alas.

Schadenfreude on November 27, 2013 at 1:10 PM

partisanhack is Goebbels’ grandkid.

Schadenfreude on November 27, 2013 at 1:10 PM

Ed, please post a picture with a dead turkey, or what Leno said

“Things are so bad for obama now that the turkey he pardoned said “please, no pictures this year”".

Schadenfreude on November 27, 2013 at 1:11 PM

Basically, these disgusting apparatchiks wish us to give thanks for and to, the state. I wish people would consider the fact that this nation is the one and only nation ever conceived in liberty. Liberty of the common man. Liberty of the soul. Liberty to pursue happiness in whatever way desired. To worship in any way desired. And to believe in the power of the individual. That is how American exceptionalism is defined. No other land or people have ever been free in such a way until the founding of this nation. Founded on documents expressing the liberty of the individual soul created by their creator to be free. THAT is what separates every American from every other inhabitant of this planet. For that, we should be giving thanks.

HomeoftheBrave on November 27, 2013 at 1:14 PM

I plan to discuss Obamacare with my family never. And if it does come up, my only topic will be how to vote out the bastards who inflicted that crap sandwich on the country.

RebeccaH on November 27, 2013 at 1:15 PM

Go ahead and sing the praises of ONoCare to your relatives, “nonpartisan”. GLWT.

22044 on November 27, 2013 at 1:16 PM

Perfect

Schadenfreude on November 27, 2013 at 1:16 PM

Do it for the children.

I see what you did right there….

++

ted c on November 27, 2013 at 1:17 PM

Desperado – obama went to Hollyweird because he is an inept in DC, unloved and unadored any place other than in Fantasyland.

Schadenfreude on November 27, 2013 at 1:19 PM

H/t MontanaMmmm

Schadenfreude on November 27, 2013 at 1:21 PM

the amount of posts hotair can gin up about some deadlines boggles my mind!

nonpartisan on November 27, 2013 at 12:04 PM

The blind and mindless fanaticism of those out to defend this EpicClusterFark is mind boggling. I am stunned by how fixated the progressive-fascist left is on a complete and utter catastrophe – where every day, every turn uncovers another major fiasco or lie within the EpicClusterFark.

Athos on November 27, 2013 at 1:23 PM

We do a big family reunion every other year on the Saturday after Thanksgiving. Expecting maybe 75-100 this year with about 95% from and living in Texas currently.

And my ultra liberal sister that lives in NOVA is going to make the scene. The last time I saw her she called every liberal label she could remember Rachel Maddow using and walked away saying she never wanted to talk to me again.

Reckon I should get her to explain what “tea bagger” means in the company of our 90 year old mom?

DanMan on November 27, 2013 at 1:23 PM

The only health issue I’m concerned about this Thanksgiving is the health of Aaron Rodgers.

PackerBronco on November 27, 2013 at 1:24 PM

Breaking: one year delay

2014 is holy terror for the Ds.

Schadenfreude on November 27, 2013 at 1:26 PM

Smashing success…obama’care’ :)

The Obama administration today announced a year-long delay of online enrollment for small businesses looking to purchase health coverage through federal-run exchanges, another setback for HealthCare.gov.

The delay, first reported by POLITICO, comes just weeks after Obama administration officials said the online enrollment for small businesses would be ready by the end of November. The announcement also comes just three days before the White House promises HealthCare.gov will provide a smoother enrollment experience for most users trying to purchase individual and family coverage. Fixing the problems with the individual market has been the White House priority.

Schadenfreude on November 27, 2013 at 1:28 PM

Awww, love note from obama to partisanhacks

Schadenfreude on November 27, 2013 at 1:29 PM

Any relative of mine that brings up ObunglerCare in a favorable light this Thanksgiving will be eating Turkey w/out teeth.

Fortunatley, most of my relations hate Dogbreath even more than me, so odds of bad things occurring are slim.

Thomas More on November 27, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Obviously everybody responds to this stupid idea with “yeah, start a political fight at the dinner table.” Not as many seem to acknowledge the far worse angle for this administration, which is the fact that any conversation will likely reduce support for this shipwreck.

Look at it this way: most polling shows roughly 60% disapproving of the law, support in the low 30s and a few who somehow haven’t managed to form an opinion over the past four years. That means at any dinner table, if this is brought up the administration agitator is mathematically likely to be outnumbered 2-1. Plenty of opportunity for a conversation starting with “so, about these new healthcare opportunities…” to be hijacked into a discussion by the rest of the family about the costs that this administration wants to hide, canceled plans, and the general dirt poor handling of this boondoggle.

Of course there are liberal families, in which case the conversation could be brought up enthusiastically, until somebody innocently raises a logistical question for which the agitator will only be able to pass the tofurkey and respond “derp.” (As that is the official administration response to all this).

And there are the conservative families wherein this conversation will be started with something along the lines of “man that Obama is dumber that the corn in my turds” and proceed to be a unanimous session of highlighting this administration’s failures until halftime ends.

Plenty of different scenarios that can play out from this. Just not a whole lot that achieve this propagandist aim from the administration. If anything any fence-sitters will be pushed our way on this. Though again, if they haven’t managed to form an opinion after seeing four years of this, then they may just ignore the conversation and continue putting cranberries up their nose.

Gingotts on November 27, 2013 at 1:32 PM

A year? O_o

Just like Amazon.

What are people supposed to do in the meantime?

Bishop on November 27, 2013 at 1:37 PM

yeah, the missing ingredient is consequences for the damage the dems have done. And its going to be real light on truth and integrity as well.

DanMan on November 27, 2013 at 1:37 PM

Ask family members to slice their turkey, stuffing, potatoes, and pumpkin pie into bits. Pass the plates. Tell Grandma and Grandpa to take 1/2 of each person’s plate. Now older adults take 1/2 of what remains. Now tell young John & Susie who are staring at a few crumbs that they just signed up for Obamacare.

Then dump all the leftovers into a to-go container labeled: Sandra Fluke.

Scream: “Way to go Turkeys!!!”

I promise you’ll have a super Thanksgiving.

LetsBfrank on November 27, 2013 at 1:39 PM

Liberal cousin: Dog Eater is awesome!

Me: Have you seen my new hunting bow? Here, balance this apple on your head while standing down there about 30 yards away.

Bishop on November 27, 2013 at 1:41 PM

Giving Thanks to the Government…….

What Progressives do everyday, because it is their religion.

It’s what they evangelize.

They are on a 100 year Jihad in America against all that is enshrined in Judaism, Christianity, and even Islam. They seek to upend 6,000 years of Middle eastern and Western Civilization because of their pride and haughtiness.

Some can’t accept that it’s really a religious experience (advancing their agenda) but they also (like Jesus did 2,000 years ago say)….”GO FORTH, INTO ALL THE WORLD, AND MAKE DISCIPLES OF ALL MEN”. But they go forth in the name of Darwin, Marx, Engles, Wilson, FDR and now Obama And make no mistake they ARE making disciples (the lady going to Paris thanks to ObamaCare over at KOS for example).

Give Thanks, but stay diligent and keep pounding these Progressives (in either party) whether they are pushing Common Core or their Climate Change agenda at the EPA or in the UN.

PappyD61 on November 27, 2013 at 1:50 PM

Its. The. Law.:

The Obama administration today announced a year-long delay of online enrollment for small businesses looking to purchase health coverage through federal-run exchanges, another setback for HealthCare.gov.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/11/online-shop-enrollment-delayed-by-one-year-100438.html

davidk on November 27, 2013 at 1:52 PM

Ask family members to slice their turkey, stuffing, potatoes, and pumpkin pie into bits. Pass the plates. Tell Grandma and Grandpa to take 1/2 of each person’s plate. Now older adults take 1/2 of what remains. Now tell young John & Susie who are staring at a few crumbs that they just signed up for Obamacare.

Then dump all the leftovers into a to-go container labeled: Sandra Fluke.

Scream: “Way to go Turkeys!!!”

I promise you’ll have a super Thanksgiving.

LetsBfrank on November 27, 2013 at 1:39 PM

As bad as that would be, it’s even more insulting having to sit at the kids when you’re frickin’ 26.

Gingotts on November 27, 2013 at 1:52 PM

*kids table

Damn, great one liner and I screw it up. Need more eggnog.

Gingotts on November 27, 2013 at 1:53 PM

Breaking: one year delay

2014 is holy terror for the Ds.

Schadenfreude on November 27, 2013 at 1:26 PM

ooopss

davidk on November 27, 2013 at 1:55 PM

No one in my family on my wife’s or my side has invited us to dinner or even their house. So far this summer I’ve thrown a family cookout that only one family member showed up to and another relative canceled a party for her son’s 50th birthday. We have also not been invited to a couple of family cookouts. The reasons given in all cases was that they don’t want to be around me because they know I don’t support BO. It’s sad because I don;t even talk politics or voice opinions around my relatives because I know how badly they react to anything other than total devotion to BO and the dems.

On the bright side it has given us the opportunity to attempt to smoke a turkey. We have never smoked one so it will be fun. I will be throwing it in the brine within the hour and start the smoker up early in the morning. It’s a really small turkey, 9lbs, so it shouldn’t take more then 7 or 8 hours. I hope.

Dr. Frank Enstine on November 27, 2013 at 2:00 PM

My wish for Obama’s Thanksgiving.

MontanaMmmm on November 27, 2013 at 2:03 PM

davidk on November 27, 2013 at 1:55 PM

there are over 1000 comments in just a little more than an hour over at that article. I haven’t seen any yet in support of zerocare.

Fred

jrsrigmvr on November 27, 2013 at 2:03 PM

*kids table

Damn, great one liner and I screw it up. Need more eggnog.

Gingotts on November 27, 2013 at 1:53 PM

Too funny.

Eggnog all around!

LetsBfrank on November 27, 2013 at 2:04 PM

Breaking: one year delay

2014 is holy terror for the Ds.

Schadenfreude on November 27, 2013 at 1:26 PM

It pushes the pain past the mid-terms so that the dems can run on how wonderful it is. No pain and they gain.

Dr. Frank Enstine on November 27, 2013 at 2:07 PM

MontanaMmmm on November 27, 2013 at 2:03 PM

brings back memories. When I was young a rooster would chase me around the yard at my grandma’s farm. One day she said enough is enough and she wringed his neck and cooked him for dinner. zerocare needs to go the same way that rooster did!

Fred

jrsrigmvr on November 27, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Kennedy explained to CNBC that “When you develop a website, you develop it with security in mind. And it doesn’t appear to have happened this time…It’s really hard to go back and fix the security around it because security wasn’t built into it.”

It appears the site was just hacked together and with politicians driving the development it must be a complete mess. They will never fix it.

OFA (at the URL barackobama.com, no less) has an extensive, four-step process designed to force family members into discussing and debating the merits of the Affordable Care Act, better known as ObamaCare — and as a disaster for the White House and Democrats.

So the communist pukes want to screw up Thanksgiving for a lot of people. What lowlife scum.

dogsoldier on November 27, 2013 at 2:11 PM

My wish for Obama’s Thanksgiving.

MontanaMmmm on November 27, 2013 at 2:03 PM

Cute and very funny. I use to have 35 chickens that I let roam around the yard. The UPS and mail folks stop leaving packages at the door because they were sick of getting swarmed buy the chickens wanting a handout. It use to be a game to try and bring groceries into the house without letting a bunch of chickens in. Sadly over the years the coyotes and raccoons got them all.

Dr. Frank Enstine on November 27, 2013 at 2:13 PM

brings back memories. When I was young a rooster would chase me around the yard at my grandma’s farm. One day she said enough is enough and she wringed his neck and cooked him for dinner. zerocare needs to go the same way that rooster did!

Fred

jrsrigmvr on November 27, 2013 at 2:11 PM

My wife has a scar on her back from her grandmothers attack rooster. She said it was big enough to knock down the little kids and her scar is the result of her getting knocked down and clawed my him. She said he didn’t last to long after that because her grandmother felt bad that he clawed her up.

Dr. Frank Enstine on November 27, 2013 at 2:17 PM

Half my family is involved are insurance agents,
there will be plenty of profanity on the subject..
which I’ll take over leftist spew while I enjoy my meal.

bazil9 on November 27, 2013 at 2:19 PM

My family and I don’t have to talk about Obamacare on Thanksgiving, we talk about the Obamacare disaster daily.

lea on November 27, 2013 at 2:19 PM

On the bright side it has given us the opportunity to attempt to smoke a turkey. We have never smoked one so it will be fun. I will be throwing it in the brine within the hour and start the smoker up early in the morning. It’s a really small turkey, 9lbs, so it shouldn’t take more then 7 or 8 hours. I hope.

Dr. Frank Enstine on November 27, 2013 at 2:00 PM

I like your bright side! Sounds wonderful. Enjoy, Dr. and HTG

bazil9 on November 27, 2013 at 2:21 PM

In my email inbox this morning

This time of year, the only thing more annoying than holiday traffic is an awkward conversation with family about politics.

Don’t get me wrong — I love the Republicans in my life. But nothing ruins a slice of pecan pie faster than talking through immigration reform with a cousin who spends too much time listening to Rush Limbaugh.

That’s why we’re launching YourRepublicanUncle.com. And if you want to make sure that the political debates around your dinner table this Thanksgiving stay tethered to reality, you should check it out.

We can’t do anything about highway congestion, but we can make sure you have the information you need to answer a bonkers question about President Obama’s record on jobs or the perfect fact to respond to a ridiculous argument about the Affordable Care Act.

El_Terrible on November 27, 2013 at 2:21 PM

bazil9 on November 27, 2013 at 2:19 PM

screwed that up..
meant..involved in the business-

bazil9 on November 27, 2013 at 2:21 PM

My wish for Obama’s Thanksgiving.

MontanaMmmm on November 27, 2013 at 2:03 PM

lolz..
Happy Thanksgiving to you girl!

bazil9 on November 27, 2013 at 2:24 PM

Let’s sign up for ObamaCare on Thanksgiving, as if one turkey wasn’t enough.

Steve Z on November 27, 2013 at 2:24 PM

bazil9 on November 27, 2013 at 2:24

:)

MontanaMmmm on November 27, 2013 at 2:40 PM

Anybody who shops on Black Friday is a racist.

fogw on November 27, 2013 at 2:45 PM

If you like your turkey, you can keep your turkey.

TarheelBen on November 27, 2013 at 2:54 PM

You should never cook stuffing in your turkey. Cook it separate.

portlandon on November 27, 2013 at 2:57 PM

Thanksgiving Proclamation
President George Washington
City of New York, October 3, 1789

Whereas it is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favor, and Whereas both Houses of Congress have by their joint Committee requested me “to recommend to the People of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many signal favors of Almighty God, especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness.”

Now therefore I do recommend and assign Thursday the 26thday of November next to be devoted by the People of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being, who is the beneficent Author of all the good that was, that is, or that will be. That we may then all unite in rendering unto him our sincere and humble thanks, for his kind care and protection of the People of this country previous to their becoming a Nation, for the signal and manifold mercies, and the favorable interpositions of his providence, which we experienced in the course and conclusion of the late war, for the great degree of tranquility, union, and plenty, which we have since enjoyed, for the peaceable and rational manner in which we have been enabled to establish constitutions of government for our safety and happiness, and particularly the national One now lately instituted, for the civil and religious liberty with which we are blessed, and the means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge and in general for all the great and various favors which he hath been pleased to confer upon us.

And also that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations and beseech him to pardon our national and other transgressions, to enable us all, whether in public or private stations, to perform our several and relative duties properly and punctually, to render our national government a blessing to all the People, by constantly being a government of wise, just and constitutional laws, discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed, to protect and guide all Sovereigns and Nations (especially such as have shown kindness unto us) and to bless them with good government, peace, and concord. To promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue, and the encrease of science among them and Us, and generally to grant unto all Mankind such a degree of temporal prosperity as he alone knows to be best.

Pork-Chop on November 27, 2013 at 3:10 PM

Obama is having a big pork roast for Thanksgiving according to one Iranian insider, who asked not to be named.

kenny on November 27, 2013 at 3:52 PM

Laughing at nobrainofHA

Schadenfreude on November 27, 2013 at 4:14 PM

But they go forth in the name of Darwin, Marx, Engles, Wilson, FDR and now Obama.
PappyD61 on November 27, 2013 at 1:50 PM

Amen. If any of you speak Spanish, you should check out an interview we did today with a couple of Christian lawyers from Cuba (one is the head of the Alliance of Christian Lawyers of Cuba, which was something I had never imagined existed). Both of them used to be fire-breathing atheists and Marxists until they converted to Christianity. And what you said here is exactly what they said: before they knew better, they worshiped the state above all else, as given to them by their prophets Darwin, Marx, Engels, and Castro. Anyone is interested, I’ll be happy to post the link.

JoseQuinones on November 27, 2013 at 6:07 PM

I have a few patients without insurance. They would like to try to sing up. Based on this story, they might be safer going to the hospital and working with the navigators there, yes? If they got hacked back through their computer, but had used the hospital system, thei home computers woukd be safe, right?

(Yes, I know their personal data would still be vulnerable but their computers wouldnt if I understand him correctly.)

talkingpoints on November 27, 2013 at 7:31 PM

Hope you all have a wonderful holiday season and many thanks. I know that I am very thankful this year for what I have. In this era of forced sacrifice and forced redistribution by our “rulers” we should take stock in the fruits of our labors that we are permitted to keep for ourselves and our own.

Season’s Greetings,
Paul

paulsur on November 28, 2013 at 1:12 AM