Quotes of the day

posted at 9:41 pm on November 26, 2013 by Allahpundit

Pope Francis attacked unfettered capitalism as “a new tyranny” and beseeched global leaders to fight poverty and growing inequality, in a document on Tuesday setting out a platform for his papacy and calling for a renewal of the Catholic Church…

In it, Francis went further than previous comments criticizing the global economic system, attacking the “idolatry of money”, and urged politicians to “attack the structural causes of inequality” and strive to provide work, healthcare and education to all citizens.

He also called on rich people to share their wealth. “Just as the commandment ‘Thou shalt not kill’ sets a clear limit in order to safeguard the value of human life, today we also have to say ‘thou shalt not’ to an economy of exclusion and inequality. Such an economy kills,” Francis wrote in the document issued on Tuesday.

“How can it be that it is not a news item when an elderly homeless person dies of exposure, but it is news when the stock market loses 2 points?”

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Francis said trickle down policies have not been proven to work and they reflect a “naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power.”

“In this context, some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world,” Pope Francis wrote.

“This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power and in the sacralized workings of the prevailing economic system,” the 76-year-old pontiff added.

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All this would warm the heart of even the most fervent atheist, except Francis has gone much further. It seems he wants to do more than simply stroke the brow of the weak. He is taking on the system that has made them weak and keeps them that way.

“My thoughts turn to all who are unemployed, often as a result of a self-centred mindset bent on profit at any cost,” he tweeted in May. A day earlier he denounced as “slave labour” the conditions endured by Bangladeshi workers killed in a building collapse. In September he said that God wanted men and women to be at the heart of the world and yet we live in a global economic order that worships “an idol called money”.

There is no denying the radicalism of this message, a frontal and sustained attack on what he calls “unbridled capitalism”, with its “throwaway” attitude to everything from unwanted food to unwanted old people. His enemies have certainly not missed it. If a man is to be judged by his opponents, note that this week Sarah Palin denounced him as “kind of liberal” while the free-market Institute of Economic Affairs has lamented that this pope lacks the “sophisticated” approach to such matters of his predecessors. Meanwhile, an Italian prosecutor has warned that Francis’s campaign against corruption could put him in the crosshairs of that country’s second most powerful institution: the mafia.

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For the second time this year, U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., is aligning with Pope Francis on global economic views

Sanders says he continues to welcome Francis’ criticism of the global financial system, which both the senator and the pope say has plunged more of the world into poverty while benefiting the wealthy few.

“At a time when the gap between rich and everyone else is growing wider, at a time when Wall Street and large financial institutions are exerting extraordinary power over the American and world economy, I applaud the pope for continuing to speak out on these enormously important issues,” Sanders said. “Pope Francis is reminding people of all walks of life, and all religious backgrounds, that we can and must do better.”

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Albeit in somewhat passive terms, the Church had made its political and economic position clear: It rejected communism, and specifically its suppression of religion, in favor of the West and democracy—which were tied tightly to free-market economic principles. Many years later, the Polish Pope John Paul II was given credit for helping to undermine communist rule in his country, where Catholic churches provided a space for anti-communist artists and thinkers to hold discussions and distribute anti-regime writings.

In light of this long-standing tension between the Church and communism, Pope Francis’s aggressively anti-capitalist posture seems all the more remarkable. The bishop of Rome hasn’t just condemned what he sees as a failed free-market—he’a condemned the ethic and ideology that underlie free-market economies. “The culture of prosperity deadens us; we are thrilled if the market offers us something new to purchase,” Francis writes. “In the meantime all those lives stunted for lack of opportunity seem a mere spectacle; they fail to move us.”

This is more than just a lecture about ethics; it’s a statement about who should control financial markets. At least right now, Francis says, the global economy needs more government control—an argument that would have been unthinkable for the pope just 50 years ago.

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It’s interesting to think of Pope Francis’ assessment in light of Pope John Paul II’s past condemnation of communism and the “social assistance state.” In 1991, he observed…

“In recent years the range of such intervention has vastly expanded, to the point of creating a new type of state, the so-called ‘Welfare State.’ This has happened in some countries in order to respond better to many needs and demands by remedying forms of poverty and deprivation unworthy of the human person. However, excesses and abuses, especially in recent years, have provoke very harsh criticisms of the Welfare State, dubbed the ‘Social Assistance State.’ Malfunctions and defects in the Social Assistance State are the result of an inadequate understanding of the tasks proper to the State. Here again the principle of subsidiarity must be respected: a community of a higher order should not interfere in the internal life of a community of a lower order, depriving the latter of its functions, but rather should support it in case of need and help to coordinate its activity with the activities of the rest of society, always with a view to the common good.

“By intervening directly and depriving society of its responsibility, the Social Assistance State leads to a loss of human energies and an inordinate increase of public agencies, which are dominated more by bureaucratic thinking than by concern for serving their clients, and which are accompanied by an enormous increase in spending, In fact, it would appear that needs are best understood and satisfied by people who are closest to them who act as neighbors to those in need. It should be added that certain kinds of demands often call for a response which is not simply material but which is capable of perceiving the deeper human need.”

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[W]hat I think is curious about this document is a longstanding peeve of mine. Ever since the Galileo incident, the Catholic Church has generally tried to be careful to get its science right before it opines on ethical matters related to science. It takes seriously questions of bioethics and has developed internal expertise on those issues. Yet when it comes to economics, the Church seems to have no qualms about opining on issues of economics without even the slightest idea of what it is talking about.

I mean, seriously?

“204. We can no longer trust in the unseen forces and the invisible hand of the market. Growth in justice requires more than economic growth, while presupposing such growth: it requires decisions, programmes, mechanisms and processes specifically geared to a better distribution of income, the creation of sources of employment and an integral promotion of the poor which goes beyond a simple welfare mentality. I am far from proposing an irresponsible populism, but the economy can no longer turn to remedies that are a new poison, such as attempting to increase profits by reducing the work force and thereby adding to the ranks of the excluded.”

Well darn that John Paul II for helping to bring freedom to Poland and getting rid of all those “decisions, programmes, mechanisms and processes” that were so beneficial to the Poles under Communism.

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Capitalism does not breed poverty; it alleviates it. Compare the life expectancy of a medieval serf–rarely 30 years–to someone living in Western Europe today: Pope Francis, for example, who has reached the ripe old age of 76 thanks to modern medicine. He lived through the Cold War and its showcase of the obvious disparity between the United States, a land of economic “survival of the fittest,” according to Francis, and the Soviet Union. It was “a country with some of the most fertile land on the continent of Europe,” writes economist and TAS contributor Thomas Sowell, where the market principles that Pope Francis rergards suspiciously were abandoned, and as a result “at least 6 million people starved to death in the 1930s[.]”…

The pope, who recognizes in his exhortation the importance of economics, should keep in mind that the limited resources of the world could not possibly be allocated or “distributed” without some sort of system that allocates them efficiently, taking into account supply and demand, as well as scarcity and the difficulty of production and extraction: that is, prices. For someone who writes of others’ displaying “crude and naïve trust”, the pope sometimes betrays a rather naïve understanding of economics.

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I don’t wish to stand in the way of people enjoying other people’s prejudices, but Francis’s hyperbolic rants about the role and allegedly dictatorial power of free markets are embarrassing in their wrongness. Cheering them on is like donating money to a Creationist Museum, only with more potential impact…

More people have escaped poverty the past 25 years than were alive on the planet in 1800. Their “means of escape” was largely the introduction of at least some “laws of competition” in endeavors that had long been the exclusive domain of authoritarian, monopolistic governments…

To look upon the miracles of this world and lament the lack of “means of escape” is to advertise your own ignorance. To call it a “tyranny” is to do violence to any meaningful sense of that important word (much like Francis’s predecessor did with his silly “dictatorship of relativism” crack). And to make such absolutist statements as “everything comes under the laws of competition and the survival of the fittest” is to admit up front that you are not primarily interested in spreading truth, but rather in exciting popular passions. Which I suppose makes sense.

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Troubling? Yes, and that’s probably too gentle a word. If this was just a discussion within the Roman Catholic church aimed solely at how its members should behave that, for the most part, would be up to them. But the pope’s words are rather more than that. In Francis, we see a charming and charismatic advocate (complete with large megaphone and the attention of a sizeable slice of the world) for economic policies of a type that have failed and failed and failed again, not least in the Argentina of his youth, the Argentina of Perón, the Argentina that he evidently still sees as some sort of model.

That’s not good news, nor is it likely to be the source of much joy.

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Bill C on November 27, 2013 at 1:32 AM

We’ll need a Miracle!! ;)

Scrumpy on November 27, 2013 at 1:39 AM

I think Francis is a humble servant of God and that he has been humbled by the institutions of Catholic Church.

PolAgnostic on November 27, 2013 at 1:27 AM

Think what you will, but he’s a socialist in robes and is using his position to advance his personal cause. Never heard such crap from his predecessors, they never mentioned anything about government’s duty to ensure equality of result. I respect the need for my fellow Catholics to follow the Pope in whatever he says, but this one has crossed the line. What’s next, gay marriage in the Church? Abortion? He’s an embarrassment to everything that’s holy in the Church.

STFU and pray, Francis.

TXUS on November 27, 2013 at 1:40 AM

jrsrigmvr on November 27, 2013 at 12:58 AM

sorry im late…..my tip…skip the coke…and the glass…and the ice…

going2mars on November 27, 2013 at 1:44 AM

McAuley Schenker Group – “Save Yourself”

\m/

Anti-Control on November 27, 2013 at 1:39 AM

Really too high pitched sounding for my taste… but if that’s what you like, whom am I to say otherwise!

Rock On dude!

Scrumpy on November 27, 2013 at 1:47 AM

I’m hangin’ out with Twerp until one of you pikers figures out the Pope and tells me.

SparkPlug on November 26, 2013 at 10:04 PM

….oh hey, alt…….just in from Rome….no – water is fine…..anyway…..some Ecclesiastical dude asked me to drop this vid off with you…..so – whatcha got out here?…….OH! A trampoline!…..

williamg on November 27, 2013 at 1:47 AM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on November 27, 2013 at 1:48 AM

going2mars on November 27, 2013 at 1:44 AM

Lol, pretty much what I said, but in a very different way! o_0

Scrumpy on November 27, 2013 at 1:48 AM

Dire Straits on November 27, 2013 at 1:48 AM

Good Evening Dire! Hope all is well with you :)

Scrumpy on November 27, 2013 at 1:49 AM

williamg on November 27, 2013 at 1:47 AM

Oh that’s funny, alt will luv that!! :)

Scrumpy on November 27, 2013 at 1:50 AM

evening DS

going2mars on November 27, 2013 at 1:51 AM

It is sooooooooo late! What am I still doing up? lol

God Bless everyone, and Good Night all!

See you on the flip side :)

* swoosh *

Scrumpy on November 27, 2013 at 1:53 AM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on November 27, 2013 at 1:48 AM

*shakes head sadly*

*hands Dire Cheeto*

Axe on November 27, 2013 at 1:55 AM

sweet dreams Scrumpy…sleep well

going2mars on November 27, 2013 at 1:55 AM

going2mars on November 27, 2013 at 1:51 AM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on November 27, 2013 at 2:02 AM

Jesuit Trained Pope Trashes Capitalism in Call for Worldwide Socialism

Natural law and a natural system of liberty now under concerted attack.

“The Jesuits aimed to set up [in Paraguay] a completely communistic system, in the sense that no individual rights were recognized and there was no private property,” writes John Findlater in The Revolutionary Movement: A Diagnosis of World Disorders. “Everything belonged to the State, and was supposed to be shared in common. But in reality much the greater part of the proceeds of good sold was always remitted to the Camarilla [advisers to the Spanish kings]; and the Guaranis [Indians of Paraguay, northern Argentina, and southern Brazil] got only the bare necessities of life in return for their toil and sweat.”

VorDaj on November 27, 2013 at 2:02 AM

Scrumpy on November 27, 2013 at 1:49 AM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on November 27, 2013 at 2:03 AM

Over The Hills And Far Away – Led Zeppelin

Can’t sleep .

Good evening, Dire. :) I’ve got the rum. Making hot buttered rum. :)

Where’s Nova?

thatsafactjack on November 27, 2013 at 2:03 AM

Axe on November 27, 2013 at 1:55 AM

*tip fedora*..:)

Dire Straits on November 27, 2013 at 2:04 AM

This Pope is a freaking populist, a freaking South American populist. He taught psychology for freaks sake, in his younger days. Other than foreign policy, he’s sounding like John McCain for freaks sake. And his knowledge of economics is the SAME as McCain’s.

bigmike on November 27, 2013 at 2:06 AM

Really too high pitched sounding for my taste… but if that’s what you like, whom am I to say otherwise!

Rock On dude!

Scrumpy on November 27, 2013 at 1:47 AM

You are very cute when you’re angry, and try to insult me so cheesily. :)

Maturity:

“I don’t like what you said, so, GFY!!! YOU ARE A BIGOTED JERKFACE WHO’S UNWORTHY OF ADULT CONSIDERATION!!! But, if you’ll forego defending your opinions as you see fit, and instead skip ahead to 100% agreement with me, no questions asked, there will be harmony between us. Oh, also, it’s not possible that I’ve misinterpreted or treated you unfairly, so STFU about that, you POMPOUS @SSHOLE!!!

ROFL

PS please, no one worry about my participation in any ongoing flamewar – I’m done here. If you don’t believe me now, you’ll just have to see… :)

Anti-Control on November 27, 2013 at 2:08 AM

Yes,I am a Catholic!

bigmike on November 27, 2013 at 2:08 AM

Dazed and Confused – Led Zeppelin

thatsafactjack on November 27, 2013 at 2:09 AM

This hot buttered rum tastes like a baked apple. Very nice.

thatsafactjack on November 27, 2013 at 2:13 AM

McAuley Schenker Group – “We Believe in Love” (unplugged 1992)

Anti-Control on November 27, 2013 at 2:14 AM

Back out. Night guys.
*secret handshake* lol!

thatsafactjack on November 27, 2013 at 2:15 AM

VorDaj on November 27, 2013 at 2:02 AM

So-called “trickle down” is not an economic theory. It is a pejorative term used by socialists and others in favor of wealth distribution to describe laissez-faire capitalism.

Yup.

Axe on November 27, 2013 at 2:17 AM

This Pope is a freaking populist, a freaking South American populist. He taught psychology for freaks sake, in his younger days. Other than foreign policy, he’s sounding like John McCain for freaks sake. And his knowledge of economics is the SAME as McCain’s.

bigmike on November 27, 2013 at 2:06 AM

Sounding like McCain? More like Marx and Obama, who make McVain look like Reagan and Thatcher.

TXUS on November 27, 2013 at 2:18 AM

Back out. Night guys.
*secret handshake* lol!

thatsafactjack on November 27, 2013 at 2:15 AM

NIGHT INSOMNOJACK!

Axe on November 27, 2013 at 2:21 AM

Come back little Sheba Benedict!

profitsbeard on November 27, 2013 at 2:22 AM

thatsafactjack on November 27, 2013 at 2:09 AM

Good evening..:)

PS..There was a very good movie by that name also..:)

Dire Straits on November 27, 2013 at 2:24 AM

Can’t sleep .

Good evening, Dire. :) I’ve got the rum. Making hot buttered rum. :)

Where’s Nova?

thatsafactjack on November 27, 2013 at 2:03 AM

……..if I May, Sweet Lady – a gentle caress for your forehead and a healing balm for your neck……

…..sweet relief of sleep to your soul!

williamg on November 27, 2013 at 2:29 AM

All right. I quit. This is Thanksgiving Eve, I’m wiped, and I have to clean for guests. So — let the screwing around commence.

I really need to have this billion dollar software empire on the table if I’m ever going to bag Manhattan lawyers — but a man can’t kill himself in the quest for booty, no matter how perfect the booty might be. It’s illogical. So — in the quest for perfect Manhattan lawyer booty — I’m going to wash clothes, brush the cat, idly look for that twenty-four byte memory leak, put up the dishes, cut out a mounting bracket from aluminum flashing I bought on Amazon for my car stereo that I’m mounting to my desk, idly chit and chat, and check the mail. I also need to eat something other than pie.

And if no one cares about all that personal information — you should see how much I don’t care. Because I’m off. I quit. No caring for three days.

I DON’T CARE ABOUT YOUR PERSONAL CRAP, MAN!

^ My attitude about all my personal crap.

. . . yet booty . . . still so. far. away.

I miss booty so much.

big sigh

Axe on November 27, 2013 at 2:39 AM

Oingo Boingo – “Capitalism” (Occupy Wall Street edition)

There’s nothing wrong with the capitalism
There’s nothing wrong with the free enterprise
Don’t try to make me feel guilty
I’m so tired of hearing you cry
There’s nothing wrong with making some profit
If you ask me I will say it’s just fine
There’s nothing wrong with wanting to live nice
I’m so tired of hearing you whine about the revolution
Bringing down the rich
When was the last time you dug a ditch
Baby

If it ain’t one thing
Then it’s the other
Any cause that crosses your path
Your heart bleeds for anyone’s brother
I’ve got to tell you you’re a pain in the ass
You criticize with plenty of vigor
You rationalize everything that you do
With catchy phrases and heavy quotations
And everybody is crazy but you

You’re just a middle class socialist brat
From a suburban family and you never really had to work
And you tell me that you’ve got to get back
To the struggling masses, whoever they are
You talk, talk, talk about the suffering and pain
Your mouth is bigger than your entire brain
What the hell do you know about suffering and pain, ya dumbf*ck

Anti-Control on November 27, 2013 at 2:42 AM

Axe on November 27, 2013 at 2:39 AM

<– Just SOOOO, so CLASSIC!! Like Kerouac with coherency, clarity……and a LOT less alcohol!

williamg on November 27, 2013 at 2:44 AM

I mean:

Yeah – We’re Just Stuck Inside Of Mobile With The Memphis Blooze, AGAIN!!

The Senator – HE comes down here…..

williamg on November 27, 2013 at 2:50 AM

A song for the Pope:

Brian Eno – Blank Frank

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on November 27, 2013 at 3:07 AM

Thanks for that one. I love Leonard Cohen.

onlineanalyst on November 26, 2013 at 11:42 PM

You’re welcome.

justltl on November 27, 2013 at 3:07 AM

Sorry I’m late. The Pope made me a Bishop.

That’s a real BISHOP (for you pikers), not some cheap imitation first to comment bishop.

SparkPlug on November 27, 2013 at 3:44 AM

Axe on November 27, 2013 at 2:39 AM

I wanted to stick around and delver some p3wnage but I was detained.

Fortunately I was un-detained but the re-un-detaining process superseded the all other processes because my wireless dongle was not plugged in.

SparkPlug on November 27, 2013 at 3:49 AM

Fortunately I was un-detained but the re-un-detaining process superseded the all other processes because my wireless dongle was not plugged in.

SparkPlug on November 27, 2013 at 3:49 AM

I hate it when my unplugged dongle gets me superseded.

Axe on November 27, 2013 at 4:08 AM

A cautionary tale, really.

Watch your wireless dongles, peeps.

Axe on November 27, 2013 at 4:16 AM

I hate it when my unplugged dongle gherkin gets me superseded.

Axe on November 27, 2013 at 4:08 AM

Betcha RWM is dreaming about you now. Not because of the gherkin, but because of what your brain makes you say.

SparkPlug on November 27, 2013 at 4:18 AM

Good morning, kids! Except it isn’t. 3:19 is waaaay too early to be awake! Something to do with 17 people descending on us for dinner tonight! Lots to do! It will make tomorrow (8 people) look like a cakewalk!

While looking at another thread I glanced at the little side pic for this and thought it was Harry Reid.

I wonder how much money the Church has hidden away in there.

Bishop on November 26, 2013 at 9:48 PM

Amen to that!

So to speak.

herm2416 on November 27, 2013 at 4:21 AM

Anti-Control on November 27, 2013 at 2:42 AM

A few months ago, those anti-capitalists decided to go into the credit card business. They partnered with Visa to issue their own card.

herm2416 on November 27, 2013 at 4:24 AM

China Crisis – “Christian”

This is emotion
Emotionless war
A torn shirt and a
And a long dead cause
I can’t sleep
This kind of thing lets me down
Don’t say walk
I may lose my fear

I could lose myself in this honesty

I read all sorts of things
There’s so much to learn
I’ve seen the hand that rushes in
As it rush over you

Anti-Control on November 27, 2013 at 4:28 AM

While I have not read the Papal encyclical, the criticism of capitalism in its present form, based on an unregulated financial services sector which provides little value to the host is valid.

Four Horsemen – Feature Documentary – Official Version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fbvquHSPJU

john.frank on November 27, 2013 at 4:33 AM

A few months ago, those anti-capitalists decided to go into the credit card business. They partnered with Visa to issue their own card.

herm2416 on November 27, 2013 at 4:24 AM

Actually, that’s a pretty nifty move for modern marxists. Pope Frank is busy charging people’s cards “what he thinks they owe” as we speak! The poor will get their 3% cut of the proceeds sometime in 2025 …

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on November 27, 2013 at 4:36 AM

Imagine if the Pope preached Jesus Christ.

Grace_is_sufficient on November 27, 2013 at 4:39 AM

A few months ago, those anti-capitalists decided to go into the credit card business. They partnered with Visa to issue their own card.

herm2416 on November 27, 2013 at 4:24 AM

That truly is the funniest thing I’ve heard today! hahahahaha I am surprised that I hadn’t seen that story yet.

Ok, I found a link:

Occupy Wall Street’s prepaid card for the 99%

Move over Justin Bieber and Suze Orman. The corporate greed-fighting movement, Occupy Wall Street, is now joining in on the prepaid card craze with plans to launch the Occupy Card.

An Occupy Card may seem strange, since Occupy Wall Street has been protesting the financial industry for years now. But the group said the card will “start to fix the inequities in the present financial services system” by providing a low-cost cashless option for people who want to stay outside of the traditional banking system.

That said, the card will still be issued through a bank — although Occupy hasn’t disclosed which one yet. That way, the card can be insured through the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. so cardholders’ money will be safe if the venture falls apart.

Occupy says it will keep costs low by funding its operations through interchange fees, which are charged to merchants each time a consumer makes a purchase using a debit or credit card. And every cardholder will become a member of the cooperative, meaning they will share in any profits and help make strategic decisions about the group.

“People who are unbanked, underbanked, and even just angry-banked will all benefit from using the Card because it is a better and more affordable product,” the Occupy Money Cooperative’s website states.

So far, the group has raised just $6,000 of its $900,000 goal through social media. If the full amount isn’t raised over the next few months, donors will get their money back — although the co-op says it may keep a small percentage for the costs it has already incurred.

ROFL

That Oingo Boingo song is too perfect! :)

Anti-Control on November 27, 2013 at 4:42 AM

SparkPlug on November 27, 2013 at 4:18 AM

. . . well, congrats, I’m genuinely touched. :)

. . . whether good touch or bad touch, let the forest decide. I’ll say this one thing, since it’s all cozy and Holiday up in here: I’ve always appreciated your friendship, Spark. If I were drunk, you’d get an “I love you man” out of me about now, followed by some crap about what a jackass Steve Jobs was, and a fair bit about Google’s creepiness.

– But I’ll still most likely kill you with a Chinese satellite when the time comes. There are limits, miscreant.

Axe on November 27, 2013 at 5:02 AM

Danny Wilson – “Mary’s Prayer”

Anti-Control on November 27, 2013 at 5:08 AM

Yet when it comes to economics, the Church seems to have no qualms about opining on issues of economics without even the slightest idea of what it is talking about.

Wonder how much wealth the Catholic Church (or any other Christian Church) could have amassed under trickle up socialism?

BigAlSouth on November 27, 2013 at 5:18 AM

Alabama3 – Ain’t Goin to Goa

kcewa on November 27, 2013 at 5:20 AM

Alabama3 – Let’s Go Back To Church

kcewa on November 27, 2013 at 5:25 AM

Good Morning HA

Safe travels to all as they make their way to their holiday destination!

Blessings!!

cmsinaz on November 27, 2013 at 5:31 AM

“Some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world,” Francis wrote in the papal statement. “This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naive trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power and in the sacra­lized workings of the prevailing economic system.”

“Meanwhile,” he added, “the excluded are still waiting.”

So the take away for me is that Charity is still needed. No economic system is perfect – the poor will always be with you – and it isn’t enough to just support free market economics. Christian charity is not an option – it is necessary.

kcewa on November 27, 2013 at 5:51 AM

Anti-Control on November 27, 2013 at 5:54 AM

Wow!

kcewa on November 27, 2013 at 6:02 AM

Anti-Control on November 27, 2013 at 5:54 AM

what????

*shaking the head*

and if he said this during the campaign….

cmsinaz on November 27, 2013 at 6:02 AM

Good Morning HA

Safe travels to all as they make their way to their holiday destination!

Blessings!!

cmsinaz on November 27, 2013 at 5:31 AM

O, I see how this is. You apes think you are going to engage in your ritualistic slaughter and feast on your feathered brothers and sisters again, none of whom have done you any harm!

Not. This. Year.

When you hear this sound, let it strike terror into your souls!

gobble, gobble — gobble, gobble

And you need not ask not for whom the Turkey Revolutionary Army gobbles — it gobbles for thee.

Axe on November 27, 2013 at 6:07 AM

don’t worry about the polls today…you’re going to hear more and more about people getting healthcare because of obamacare…so no worries
-mika

cmsinaz on November 27, 2013 at 6:08 AM

Axe on November 27, 2013 at 6:07 AM

+1

:)

cmsinaz on November 27, 2013 at 6:09 AM

halperin defending his ‘death panel’ comment

cmsinaz on November 27, 2013 at 6:12 AM

O, I see how this is. You apes think you are going to engage in your ritualistic slaughter and feast on your feathered brothers and sisters again, none of whom have done you any harm!
Axe on November 27, 2013 at 6:07 AM

No harm? I googled Turkey violence and got back 228,000,000 results!!

These are dangerous creatures – NO PITY!

kcewa on November 27, 2013 at 6:19 AM

cmsinaz on November 27, 2013 at 6:12 AM

Yep, they mentioned Sarah.

funny how libs are incapable of equating health care “rationing” with death panel.

someone has to decide what gets rationed, ergo death panel.

renalin on November 27, 2013 at 6:19 AM

joe just gave a shot out to ‘Ed Morrissey of Hot Air’ re: Pope Francis….

cmsinaz on November 27, 2013 at 6:22 AM

renalin on November 27, 2013 at 6:19 AM

they were twisting themselves in knots…

cmsinaz on November 27, 2013 at 6:22 AM

No harm? I googled Turkey violence and got back 228,000,000 results!!

kcewa on November 27, 2013 at 6:19 AM

rotf

Axe on November 27, 2013 at 6:23 AM

Mika loving the Pope. not a good sign

renalin on November 27, 2013 at 6:25 AM

‘Ed Morrissey of Hot Air’ re: Pope Francis….

cmsinaz on November 27, 2013 at 6:22 AM

Not Allahpundit, QOTD?

Or . . . commenter Axe?

Axe on November 27, 2013 at 6:30 AM

Axe on November 27, 2013 at 6:30 AM

crickets….

need to send an email to Joe about that…

cmsinaz on November 27, 2013 at 6:32 AM

Good Morning HA

Safe travels to all as they make their way to their holiday destination!

Blessings!!

cmsinaz on November 27, 2013 at 5:31 AM

Thank you, kind lady, and likewise! :)

Wow!

kcewa on November 27, 2013 at 6:02 AM

what????

*shaking the head*

and if he said this during the campaign….

cmsinaz on November 27, 2013 at 6:02 AM

Reminds a person of Ford’s “There is no Soviet domination of Eastern Europe…”

Anti-Control on November 27, 2013 at 6:33 AM

need to send an email to Joe about that…

cmsinaz on November 27, 2013 at 6:32 AM

It’s not fair. AP should have gotten the props. :)

No offense, Morrissey.

Axe on November 27, 2013 at 6:35 AM

Anti-Control on November 27, 2013 at 6:33 AM

indeed

cmsinaz on November 27, 2013 at 6:36 AM

Is Politico’s Mike Allen brain damaged?
I just can’t believe how they force him on us as some great mover and shaker. When even the Washington Post did a slam piece against Politico, and Mike Allen specifically, saying he was outed as having taken money to push agendas.

Well, he wants to talk about Ensy and Liz Cheney. Again. He’s not so much interesting in Landrieu, Pryor, or any future ex-Democrat Senator.

Marcus on November 27, 2013 at 6:38 AM

Quick test: Cthulhu.

Axe on November 27, 2013 at 6:38 AM

Ah. It was “G@torade.”

Sorry — onward.

Axe on November 27, 2013 at 6:38 AM

gobble, gobble — gobble, gobble

And you need not ask not for whom the Turkey Revolutionary Army gobbles — it gobbles for thee.

Axe on November 27, 2013 at 6:07 AM

One of my favorite songs (it’s kind of a “WTF!?” song itself! :))

The Raiders – “The Turkey”

I know where you are going
I know where you have been
I know when you go out
And I know when you come in
Because…I…am the Turkey
(gobble gobble gobble)

Don’t try to get away
‘Cause you know that you can’t hide
If you go around the haystack
I’ll catch you on the other side
Because…I…am the Turkey
(gobble gobble gobble)

I’ll chase you up and down
I’ll run you all the way
I’ll chase you past tomorrow
Right into yesterday
Because…I…am the Turkey
(gobble gobble gobble)

Anti-Control on November 27, 2013 at 6:40 AM

Reminds a person of Ford’s “There is no Soviet domination of Eastern Europe…”

Anti-Control on November 27, 2013 at 6:33 AM

Ford was Republican, though. So it got reported in the MSM.

kcewa on November 27, 2013 at 6:46 AM

Marcus on November 27, 2013 at 6:38 AM

anyone with an R next to their name, they are going to focus on them….

cmsinaz on November 27, 2013 at 6:48 AM

Joe gave another shout out to Ed….

cmsinaz on November 27, 2013 at 6:49 AM

A Plea to Avoid Crush of Users at Health Site

White House officials, fearful that the federal health care website may again be overwhelmed this weekend, have urged their allies to hold back enrollment efforts so the insurance marketplace does not collapse under a crush of new users.

At the same time, administration officials said Tuesday that they had decided not to inaugurate a big health care marketing campaign planned for December out of concern that it might drive too many people to the still-fragile HealthCare.gov.

With a self-imposed deadline for repairs to the website approaching on Saturday, the administration is trying to strike a delicate balance. It is encouraging people to go or return to the website but does not want to create too much demand. It boasts that the website is vastly improved, but does not want to raise expectations that it will work for everyone.

“We are definitely on track to have a significantly different user experience by the end of this month,” Kathleen Sebelius, the secretary of health and human services, said Tuesday. “That was our commitment.”

kcewa on November 27, 2013 at 6:50 AM

The Magisterium or Teaching Authority of the Church

By the Magisterium we mean the teaching office of the Church. It consists of the Pope and Bishops. Christ promised to protect the teaching of the Church : “He who hears you, hears me; he who rejects your rejects me, he who rejects me, rejects Him who sent me” (Luke 10. 16). Now of course the promise of Christ cannot fail: hence when the Church presents some doctrine as definitive or final, it comes under this protection, it cannot be in error; in other words, it is infallible

Anti-Control on November 26, 2013 at 11:54 PM

That’s like me telling a non-believer that he has to believe the Bible is the Truth because the Bible says it’s the Truth.

It’s circular logic.

Cleombrotus on November 27, 2013 at 6:53 AM

kcewa on November 27, 2013 at 6:50 AM

incompetence, thy name is obama administration

cmsinaz on November 27, 2013 at 6:53 AM

Pope Francis has shaken my Catholic faith to it’s core.

The Pope should speak with great moral clarity. There should be no doubt as to the morality of what he says no matter how brilliant or simple one is.

One should not need to be a theologian who has to parse his words in some contrived defense of his actions. That is not the way of Christ.

Instead we have a clueless Leftie who seems to want to aid and abet the forces of evil at every turn. Now we have a situation where the righteous can be attacked and vilified by the forces of evil using the very words of the church hierarchy.

He has beclowned the Papacy, and greatly undermined the moral authority of the church.

He should resign immediately.

The end times must be near.

Unsk on November 27, 2013 at 6:54 AM

I’ll chase you up and down
I’ll run you all the way
I’ll chase you past tomorrow
Right into yesterday
Because…I…am the Turkey
(gobble gobble gobble)

Anti-Control on November 27, 2013 at 6:40 AM

I listened. I’m not sure what I heard — but I listened.

Axe on November 27, 2013 at 6:56 AM

Good Morning, Patriots! And, Trolls (You Jive Turkeys).

“Whatever we once were, we are no longer a Christian nation – at least not just,”- Democrat Presidential Candidate Barack Hussein Obama, 2008

My take: Obama to Close Vatican Embassy. “Security Concerns” or Petulant Payback?

kingsjester on November 27, 2013 at 7:00 AM

williamg on November 27, 2013 at 1:47 AM

ROTFL!

annoyinglittletwerp on November 27, 2013 at 7:01 AM

cmsinaz on November 27, 2013 at 6:49 AM

In keeping with the “Church Theme”:

Well, now…isn’t that special?

kingsjester on November 27, 2013 at 7:02 AM

How about this one? *Yeah-I’m Catholic.*

annoyinglittletwerp on November 27, 2013 at 7:03 AM

:) KJ

cmsinaz on November 27, 2013 at 7:04 AM

Pope Francis

With respect.

kcewa on November 27, 2013 at 7:06 AM

Nice take KJ
Can I pick #2 please?

cmsinaz on November 27, 2013 at 7:07 AM

cmsinaz on November 27, 2013 at 7:07 AM

Thank you,m ma’am. Yes, you may.

kingsjester on November 27, 2013 at 7:09 AM

cmsinaz on November 27, 2013 at 5:31 AM

MY holiday destination is going to be a produce department @Walmart. I work every Thanksgiving-and it’s great. We’re a bit busy during the AM-and then by afternoon, those of us working in produce, deli, dairy, bakery, and meat market get paid for standing around. We’re not involved in ‘Black Friday’ prep. Btw: At Wally, Black Friday starts @ 6P on Thursday.

annoyinglittletwerp on November 27, 2013 at 7:13 AM

Excellent ALT
:)

6pm on Thursday?
Holy cow

cmsinaz on November 27, 2013 at 7:18 AM

cmsinaz on November 27, 2013 at 7:18 AM

Greed is the reason for the season. ///

annoyinglittletwerp on November 27, 2013 at 7:21 AM

What every jihadi in Syria needs: hair gel, an iPad and Kit-Kats

The jihadists believe they have it so good in Syria, that the phrase “five star jihad” has begun circulating online. One widely circulated tweet read: “A brother who was in Mali couldn’t change clothes or shower for 2 months, subhanllah here it truly is a 5 star Jihad, may allah reward him,” one man tweeted from Syria.
In response to a question on his Tumblr account about whether Syria really is “the best place on earth” as the jihadists are making out, Abu Qa’qaa’ replies: ’Honestly every single word i say is the truth. look at the beauty of this… this morning i was sat in front of a fire place with an actual fire and cups of tea subhaan allah :)’.

kcewa on November 27, 2013 at 7:22 AM

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