Quotes of the day

posted at 9:41 pm on November 26, 2013 by Allahpundit

Pope Francis attacked unfettered capitalism as “a new tyranny” and beseeched global leaders to fight poverty and growing inequality, in a document on Tuesday setting out a platform for his papacy and calling for a renewal of the Catholic Church…

In it, Francis went further than previous comments criticizing the global economic system, attacking the “idolatry of money”, and urged politicians to “attack the structural causes of inequality” and strive to provide work, healthcare and education to all citizens.

He also called on rich people to share their wealth. “Just as the commandment ‘Thou shalt not kill’ sets a clear limit in order to safeguard the value of human life, today we also have to say ‘thou shalt not’ to an economy of exclusion and inequality. Such an economy kills,” Francis wrote in the document issued on Tuesday.

“How can it be that it is not a news item when an elderly homeless person dies of exposure, but it is news when the stock market loses 2 points?”

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Francis said trickle down policies have not been proven to work and they reflect a “naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power.”

“In this context, some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world,” Pope Francis wrote.

“This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power and in the sacralized workings of the prevailing economic system,” the 76-year-old pontiff added.

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All this would warm the heart of even the most fervent atheist, except Francis has gone much further. It seems he wants to do more than simply stroke the brow of the weak. He is taking on the system that has made them weak and keeps them that way.

“My thoughts turn to all who are unemployed, often as a result of a self-centred mindset bent on profit at any cost,” he tweeted in May. A day earlier he denounced as “slave labour” the conditions endured by Bangladeshi workers killed in a building collapse. In September he said that God wanted men and women to be at the heart of the world and yet we live in a global economic order that worships “an idol called money”.

There is no denying the radicalism of this message, a frontal and sustained attack on what he calls “unbridled capitalism”, with its “throwaway” attitude to everything from unwanted food to unwanted old people. His enemies have certainly not missed it. If a man is to be judged by his opponents, note that this week Sarah Palin denounced him as “kind of liberal” while the free-market Institute of Economic Affairs has lamented that this pope lacks the “sophisticated” approach to such matters of his predecessors. Meanwhile, an Italian prosecutor has warned that Francis’s campaign against corruption could put him in the crosshairs of that country’s second most powerful institution: the mafia.

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For the second time this year, U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., is aligning with Pope Francis on global economic views

Sanders says he continues to welcome Francis’ criticism of the global financial system, which both the senator and the pope say has plunged more of the world into poverty while benefiting the wealthy few.

“At a time when the gap between rich and everyone else is growing wider, at a time when Wall Street and large financial institutions are exerting extraordinary power over the American and world economy, I applaud the pope for continuing to speak out on these enormously important issues,” Sanders said. “Pope Francis is reminding people of all walks of life, and all religious backgrounds, that we can and must do better.”

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Albeit in somewhat passive terms, the Church had made its political and economic position clear: It rejected communism, and specifically its suppression of religion, in favor of the West and democracy—which were tied tightly to free-market economic principles. Many years later, the Polish Pope John Paul II was given credit for helping to undermine communist rule in his country, where Catholic churches provided a space for anti-communist artists and thinkers to hold discussions and distribute anti-regime writings.

In light of this long-standing tension between the Church and communism, Pope Francis’s aggressively anti-capitalist posture seems all the more remarkable. The bishop of Rome hasn’t just condemned what he sees as a failed free-market—he’a condemned the ethic and ideology that underlie free-market economies. “The culture of prosperity deadens us; we are thrilled if the market offers us something new to purchase,” Francis writes. “In the meantime all those lives stunted for lack of opportunity seem a mere spectacle; they fail to move us.”

This is more than just a lecture about ethics; it’s a statement about who should control financial markets. At least right now, Francis says, the global economy needs more government control—an argument that would have been unthinkable for the pope just 50 years ago.

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It’s interesting to think of Pope Francis’ assessment in light of Pope John Paul II’s past condemnation of communism and the “social assistance state.” In 1991, he observed…

“In recent years the range of such intervention has vastly expanded, to the point of creating a new type of state, the so-called ‘Welfare State.’ This has happened in some countries in order to respond better to many needs and demands by remedying forms of poverty and deprivation unworthy of the human person. However, excesses and abuses, especially in recent years, have provoke very harsh criticisms of the Welfare State, dubbed the ‘Social Assistance State.’ Malfunctions and defects in the Social Assistance State are the result of an inadequate understanding of the tasks proper to the State. Here again the principle of subsidiarity must be respected: a community of a higher order should not interfere in the internal life of a community of a lower order, depriving the latter of its functions, but rather should support it in case of need and help to coordinate its activity with the activities of the rest of society, always with a view to the common good.

“By intervening directly and depriving society of its responsibility, the Social Assistance State leads to a loss of human energies and an inordinate increase of public agencies, which are dominated more by bureaucratic thinking than by concern for serving their clients, and which are accompanied by an enormous increase in spending, In fact, it would appear that needs are best understood and satisfied by people who are closest to them who act as neighbors to those in need. It should be added that certain kinds of demands often call for a response which is not simply material but which is capable of perceiving the deeper human need.”

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[W]hat I think is curious about this document is a longstanding peeve of mine. Ever since the Galileo incident, the Catholic Church has generally tried to be careful to get its science right before it opines on ethical matters related to science. It takes seriously questions of bioethics and has developed internal expertise on those issues. Yet when it comes to economics, the Church seems to have no qualms about opining on issues of economics without even the slightest idea of what it is talking about.

I mean, seriously?

“204. We can no longer trust in the unseen forces and the invisible hand of the market. Growth in justice requires more than economic growth, while presupposing such growth: it requires decisions, programmes, mechanisms and processes specifically geared to a better distribution of income, the creation of sources of employment and an integral promotion of the poor which goes beyond a simple welfare mentality. I am far from proposing an irresponsible populism, but the economy can no longer turn to remedies that are a new poison, such as attempting to increase profits by reducing the work force and thereby adding to the ranks of the excluded.”

Well darn that John Paul II for helping to bring freedom to Poland and getting rid of all those “decisions, programmes, mechanisms and processes” that were so beneficial to the Poles under Communism.

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Capitalism does not breed poverty; it alleviates it. Compare the life expectancy of a medieval serf–rarely 30 years–to someone living in Western Europe today: Pope Francis, for example, who has reached the ripe old age of 76 thanks to modern medicine. He lived through the Cold War and its showcase of the obvious disparity between the United States, a land of economic “survival of the fittest,” according to Francis, and the Soviet Union. It was “a country with some of the most fertile land on the continent of Europe,” writes economist and TAS contributor Thomas Sowell, where the market principles that Pope Francis rergards suspiciously were abandoned, and as a result “at least 6 million people starved to death in the 1930s[.]”…

The pope, who recognizes in his exhortation the importance of economics, should keep in mind that the limited resources of the world could not possibly be allocated or “distributed” without some sort of system that allocates them efficiently, taking into account supply and demand, as well as scarcity and the difficulty of production and extraction: that is, prices. For someone who writes of others’ displaying “crude and naïve trust”, the pope sometimes betrays a rather naïve understanding of economics.

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I don’t wish to stand in the way of people enjoying other people’s prejudices, but Francis’s hyperbolic rants about the role and allegedly dictatorial power of free markets are embarrassing in their wrongness. Cheering them on is like donating money to a Creationist Museum, only with more potential impact…

More people have escaped poverty the past 25 years than were alive on the planet in 1800. Their “means of escape” was largely the introduction of at least some “laws of competition” in endeavors that had long been the exclusive domain of authoritarian, monopolistic governments…

To look upon the miracles of this world and lament the lack of “means of escape” is to advertise your own ignorance. To call it a “tyranny” is to do violence to any meaningful sense of that important word (much like Francis’s predecessor did with his silly “dictatorship of relativism” crack). And to make such absolutist statements as “everything comes under the laws of competition and the survival of the fittest” is to admit up front that you are not primarily interested in spreading truth, but rather in exciting popular passions. Which I suppose makes sense.

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Troubling? Yes, and that’s probably too gentle a word. If this was just a discussion within the Roman Catholic church aimed solely at how its members should behave that, for the most part, would be up to them. But the pope’s words are rather more than that. In Francis, we see a charming and charismatic advocate (complete with large megaphone and the attention of a sizeable slice of the world) for economic policies of a type that have failed and failed and failed again, not least in the Argentina of his youth, the Argentina of Perón, the Argentina that he evidently still sees as some sort of model.

That’s not good news, nor is it likely to be the source of much joy.

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going2mars on November 27, 2013 at 12:25 AM

7 volcanoes exploded within hrs of each other and the caldera in Yellowstone grew by 10 inches!! So I heard tell :)

Scrumpy on November 27, 2013 at 12:29 AM

You’re such a sweet girl, A-C. Thanks for the song.

jaime on November 27, 2013 at 12:26 AM

lol you are welcome! :)

Tanya Tucker – “Hello, Mr. Sunshine”

Anti-Control on November 27, 2013 at 12:30 AM

Diamonds and Rust – Judas Priest

thatsafactjack on November 27, 2013 at 12:30 AM

Okay, I remember Kant now affter your wiki link.

He was a German loon.

I remember now his rants. They rambled disconjointed forever.

Did they have LSD back then?

wolly4321 on November 27, 2013 at 12:25 AM

No, but get this:

Kant’s rants were based on Plato’s.

Hegel’s ravings were based on Kant’s.

Marx’s hallucinations were based on Hegel’s.

Nietzsche’s ramblings were based on Hegel’s.

Lenin’s insanities were based on Marx’s.

Hitler’s monstrosities were based on Nietzsche’s.

See how this works?

ebrawer on November 27, 2013 at 12:30 AM

Also heard tell, that there are not 1 or 2 but 4 comets entering into the solar system!! Have you heard that?

Scrumpy on November 27, 2013 at 12:31 AM

thatsafactjack on November 27, 2013 at 12:16 AM

I’ve been married before, WW, but seldom merried. Thanks for merrying me. ;-)

TXUS on November 27, 2013 at 12:31 AM

You are an Anarchist?

Axe on November 27, 2013 at 12:27 AM

Absolutely not. I’m an objectivist.

ebrawer on November 27, 2013 at 12:32 AM

Dream On – DIO/Malmsteen

thatsafactjack on November 27, 2013 at 12:26 AM

Yngwie doesn’t like Obama.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZiWIdgLS-Y

Mark1971 on November 27, 2013 at 12:33 AM

Well, I looked back in the thread, just for two minute.

My that DBear is stupid.

Schadenfreude on November 27, 2013 at 12:34 AM

Absolutely not. I’m an objectivist.

ebrawer on November 27, 2013 at 12:32 AM

Har! Who wouldn’t claim that?

jaime on November 27, 2013 at 12:34 AM

Mark1971 on November 27, 2013 at 12:33 AM

I am partial to Yngwie Malmsteen myself! Tahnks for the post!

Scrumpy on November 27, 2013 at 12:35 AM

He said some interesting things,, but in trying to put it all together I don’t think he ever did.

He just complicated it even farther.

That’s what I got from him.

But I’m a high school drop out. I don’t know much.

wolly4321 on November 27, 2013 at 12:35 AM

the caldera in Yellowstone grew by 10 inches!! So I heard tell :)

Scrumpy on November 27, 2013 at 12:29 AM

now i have to go to er almost bit my tongue off in reply.

Fred

jrsrigmvr on November 27, 2013 at 12:35 AM

Sorry, I’m late … did I miss all of the trolls?

listens2glenn on November 27, 2013 at 12:36 AM

TXUS on November 27, 2013 at 12:31 AM

Did I merry you, TXUS? I’m glad. :)

I wish you and yours a very Happy Thanksgiving, TXUS. Just in case we miss each other before the day.

thatsafactjack on November 27, 2013 at 12:36 AM

My that DBear is stupid.

Schadenfreude on November 27, 2013 at 12:34 AM

You can always tell the liberal trolls by how stupid they are. Completely brainless. DBear is one of the more stupid. An oaf, if you will.

jaime on November 27, 2013 at 12:36 AM

Har! Who wouldn’t claim that?

jaime on November 27, 2013 at 12:34 AM

LOL jaime Objectivism is a philosophy actually. You can check out this index of objectivist passages on a wide variety of philosophical concepts if you like. It covers metaphysics, epistemology, ethics, politics, and even art:

http://aynrandlexicon.com/book/conceptual.html

ebrawer on November 27, 2013 at 12:36 AM

Mark1971 on November 27, 2013 at 12:33 AM

An excellent guitarist and a very insightful guy. I knew I liked him for more than just his music. :)

thatsafactjack on November 27, 2013 at 12:37 AM

7 volcanoes exploded within hrs of each other and the caldera in Yellowstone grew by 10 inches!! So I heard tell :)

Scrumpy on November 27, 2013 at 12:29 AM

S’true!…….How ya doin;, Scrumpy?

williamg on November 27, 2013 at 12:37 AM

Absolutely not. I’m an objectivist.

ebrawer on November 27, 2013 at 12:32 AM

Challenge from DBear

well can’t worship both Jesus and Ayn Rand, wingnuts, pick one!!!

DBear on November 26, 2013 at 9:58 PM

Schadenfreude on November 27, 2013 at 12:37 AM

Just cuz this is crazy good, like me!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9Bbu_prxJk

Scrumpy on November 27, 2013 at 12:38 AM

Unforgettable

jaime on November 27, 2013 at 12:39 AM

Oh yeah? Well unfettered capitalism gave us the McDouble, the most cost efficient source of nutrious calories in human history.

So, there!

Galtian on November 27, 2013 at 12:39 AM

Scrumpy on November 27, 2013 at 12:29 AM

http://www.earthmountainview.com/yellowstone/yellowstone.htm

its been shaking for forever…

4 quakes in the last 24 hours over 3 points…
http://www.seis.utah.edu/req2webdir/recenteqs/Maps/Yellowstone.html

going2mars on November 27, 2013 at 12:39 AM

Yngwie doesn’t like Obama.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZiWIdgLS-Y

Mark1971 on November 27, 2013 at 12:33 AM

WoW! Never knew this! – the guy is a Monster among players! Cooool!

williamg on November 27, 2013 at 12:40 AM

Har! Who wouldn’t claim that?

jaime on November 27, 2013 at 12:34 AM

Better question, imo: what are the signs that someone is practicing it?

Anti-Control on November 27, 2013 at 12:41 AM

See how this works?

ebrawer on November 27, 2013 at 12:30 AM

I was looking forward to obama’s…whom are they based on?…and you cut it short :)

Schadenfreude on November 27, 2013 at 12:41 AM

going2mars on November 27, 2013 at 12:39 AM

Do you thinks it’s just having ‘hiccups’?
Or should we take shelter?
Not that that would help, much, cuz if she blows we are history!

Scrumpy on November 27, 2013 at 12:41 AM

Unforgiven – Metallica

thatsafactjack on November 27, 2013 at 12:41 AM

Challenge from DBear

well can’t worship both Jesus and Ayn Rand, wingnuts, pick one!!!

DBear on November 26, 2013 at 9:58 PM

Schadenfreude on November 27, 2013 at 12:37 AM

I’m an objectivist, follow the philosophy of Ayn Rand, and am Atheist.

The premise of DBear’s challenge is a failure.

ebrawer on November 27, 2013 at 12:42 AM

well can’t worship both Jesus and Ayn Rand, wingnuts, pick one!!!

DBear on November 26, 2013 at 9:58 PM

I usually “worship” Jesus – and i Like Ayn Rand…..a LOT! How is that contradictory?

williamg on November 27, 2013 at 12:42 AM

williamg on November 27, 2013 at 12:40 AM

Dude is da beast on guitar!!

Welcome to the party!! :)

Scrumpy on November 27, 2013 at 12:42 AM

speaking of ‘beast’ here ya go!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5JDeuDinxI

Scum of the Earth

Scrumpy on November 27, 2013 at 12:44 AM

Practice Makes Perfect, yes I can prove it
Business or pleasure
The more that you do it

Practice makes perfect I’ve done this before
Never for money
Always for love

Anti-Control on November 27, 2013 at 12:45 AM

Scrumpy on November 27, 2013 at 12:38 AM

Good. For EuroTrance.

jaime on November 27, 2013 at 12:46 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgsUsrFXxvs

American Witch

Scrumpy on November 27, 2013 at 12:46 AM

But I’m a high school drop out. I don’t know much.

wolly4321 on November 27, 2013 at 12:35 AM

.
Personally, I view that as an advantage. But I’m biased, due to all of the ‘college’ people in my family I have had to help with relatively simple stuff, over the years.
Meanwhile, parents, aunts, uncles, grandparents et all, never let up reminding me of the various degrees several of my cousins have earned.

listens2glenn on November 27, 2013 at 12:46 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DqLVfxM-NE

Iron Head

Scrumpy on November 27, 2013 at 12:48 AM

Absolutely not. I’m an objectivist.

ebrawer on November 27, 2013 at 12:32 AM

I usually “worship” Jesus – and i Like Ayn Rand…..a LOT! How is that contradictory?

williamg on November 27, 2013 at 12:42 AM

They think her atheism is somehow an existential deal-breaker. Though that comment you quoted sort of lazily presupposed the Pope’s comments were Jesus’ comments — quick, thoughtless snark, that. It’s probably a by-product of thinking of mankind as a collection of groups.

Ayn missed some things, but she also sorted a lot of things out. Even if she’s not an end, she’s a rigorous beginning. If you can argue Ayn down to your personal satisfaction, you’ve sorted some things out. :)

Axe on November 27, 2013 at 12:48 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yUZJZC2V40

Stillborn

Scrumpy on November 27, 2013 at 12:49 AM

Scrumpy on November 27, 2013 at 12:41 AM

fred is screwed….hes so close…
where do you live??.
depends…eastward will be a huge ash cloud..
several times mt st helens…
yellowstone is a supervolcano

going2mars on November 27, 2013 at 12:49 AM

Laughter In The Rain

jaime on November 27, 2013 at 12:50 AM

ebwer on November 27, 2013 at 12:30 AM

Yea, I get it. So why were were you promoting it?

Kants words based on Plato?

Bit of a history gap there.

I found no similarity. Kant and religion equates to Plato?

What was Platos religion?

wolly4321 on November 27, 2013 at 12:50 AM

–No one flame me. I’m tired and turning my “laser beam” (Dr. Evil) toward this other thing. So, I’ll be wading in the shallows.

I hope. No one pull me back in. I just want tunes. And where’d Spark go?

No RWM, and now no Spark?

WTF MAN

Axe on November 27, 2013 at 12:50 AM

Ayn missed some things, but she also sorted a lot of things out. Even if she’s not an end, she’s a rigorous beginning. If you can argue Ayn down to your personal satisfaction, you’ve sorted some things out. :)

Axe on November 27, 2013 at 12:48 AM

Thanks and ‘Zactly, Axe……….

I knew a girl when I was in college who told me that I “was” Howard Roark….unsolicited….that was a little scary, when I look back on it…

williamg on November 27, 2013 at 12:51 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3WJX1cIuY4

Amon Amarth

Scrumpy on November 27, 2013 at 12:51 AM

Etudes – Chopin (Wilhelm Backhaus – 1927)

I bid you all a fond goodnight. It’s been a pleasure, as always.

Live in the moment.

“Keep yourselves where the light is.”

thatsafactjack on November 27, 2013 at 12:51 AM

Better question, imo: what are the signs that someone is practicing it?

Anti-Control on November 27, 2013 at 12:41 AM

Gulching

This

Doctors who will not comply with obama’care’ (not dictated by obama)

Hospitals which will not comply with obama’care’ (not dictated by obama)

Refusing to produce while obama is in office.

Etc.

Schadenfreude on November 27, 2013 at 12:52 AM

listens2glenn on November 27, 2013 at 12:46 AM

best degree on the planet you get at the school of hard knocks.

Fred

jrsrigmvr on November 27, 2013 at 12:52 AM

going2mars on November 27, 2013 at 12:49 AM

Oklahoma down west/south nr TX border

Scrumpy on November 27, 2013 at 12:52 AM

thatsafactjack on November 27, 2013 at 12:51 AM

‘Nite, Jackie

jaime on November 27, 2013 at 12:53 AM

ebrawer on November 27, 2013 at 12:32 AM

^ Not supposed to be on there, above. No idea how you got there. I was responding to G. :) I smurfed. Somehow, you took DBear’s place.

Axe on November 27, 2013 at 12:53 AM

I was looking forward to obama’s…whom are they based on?…and you cut it short :)

Schadenfreude on November 27, 2013 at 12:41 AM

Ah, Obama. Reminds me of the infamous “Marxist Nazi Muslim Pacifist – he can’t be all, chose one meme”.

The answer is simple if you understand the hierarchy involved:

1. Obama was born to a muslim family, and lived in Indonesia and educated in an islamic fashion for his first few years.
2. Obama took a liking to marxism in school.
3. As a marxist, he is atheist but he holds islam in esteem on an emotional level based on his heritage but also on a very typical leftist rooting for the underdog against the establishment order.
4. He is a marxist, philosophically, but not a marxist-leninist, that is, he doesn’t think communism attempted by the soviet-rout can work. We want to steer the system there through democracy, in the mob-rule sense.
5. He joined a Christian church to get elected in America. Very typical marxist pragmatism.
6. He is not a pacifist, he just doesn’t regard islam as the enemy so he won’t fight them, but he will take the actions he regards as necessary from a pragmatic point of view within his strategy.
7. He is not a nazi, though he has a special dislike for Jews, influenced by his upbringing. As for the economic aspects of nazism, his policies are only fascist because to transition a system from capitalism to socialism, you necessarily have to pass through a fascist stage when going slowly (through democracy). For example, he has said he is for single-payer (socialism) but Obamacare is a fascist law (working with insurers). That said, it was the best he could get and he knows it will collapse and be replaced with single-payer.

ebrawer on November 27, 2013 at 12:53 AM

Nite J, sleep well and thank you for all the good music.

Schadenfreude on November 27, 2013 at 12:53 AM

No RWM, and now no Spark?

WTF MAN

Axe on November 27, 2013 at 12:50 AM

No nova – they’re all gulching.

Schadenfreude on November 27, 2013 at 12:55 AM

Who Loves You

jaime on November 27, 2013 at 12:55 AM

williamg on November 27, 2013 at 12:49 AM

Thank You!! (blushing) :)

Scrumpy on November 27, 2013 at 12:56 AM

well can’t worship both Jesus and Ayn Rand, wingnuts, pick one!!!

DBear on November 26, 2013 at 9:58 PM

.
I usually “worship” Jesus – and i Like Ayn Rand…..a LOT! How is that contradictory?

williamg on November 27, 2013 at 12:42 AM

.
Ayn Rand’s political and business ideology were godly, even if she was not.

Agreeing with her, and using her literature that she left behind doesn’t constitute “worship”.

listens2glenn on November 27, 2013 at 12:56 AM

Scrumpy on November 27, 2013 at 12:52 AM

jet stream what it is this time of year..
id say you were in for some ash….
if its a big pop…maybe for weeks..

going2mars on November 27, 2013 at 12:56 AM

sleep well ms J…tyvm for the tunes

going2mars on November 27, 2013 at 12:57 AM

going2mars on November 27, 2013 at 12:49 AM

the experts say, when she blows i have 10 minutes to get my affairs in order. just enough time to have another jd & coke.

Fred

jrsrigmvr on November 27, 2013 at 12:58 AM

Goodnight J sleep well and God Bless!!

Scrumpy on November 27, 2013 at 12:58 AM

Got a wiki link for Plato? I read him too,, just don’t remember exactly.

Those green Harvard Classics were fun to read.

Been a few years.

Was Plato Catholic?

wolly4321 on November 27, 2013 at 12:59 AM

Agreeing with her, and using her literature that she left behind doesn’t constitute “worship”.

listens2glenn on November 27, 2013 at 12:56 AM

…..bingo!

williamg on November 27, 2013 at 12:59 AM

thatsafactjack on November 27, 2013 at 12:51 AM

nite MG pull the cinch a little tighter.

Fred

jrsrigmvr on November 27, 2013 at 1:00 AM

going2mars on November 27, 2013 at 12:56 AM

I’ll hunker down til the ash gets me, not a nice way to go out tho.

Would it still be real hot if it got down here?

Scrumpy on November 27, 2013 at 1:00 AM

Sorry, I’m late … did I miss all of the trolls?

listens2glenn on November 27, 2013 at 12:36 AM

Just hit and runs. :)

Axe on November 27, 2013 at 1:00 AM

thatsafactjack on November 27, 2013 at 12:51 AM

…..blessed dreams, Moon Goddess…

williamg on November 27, 2013 at 1:01 AM

jrsrigmvr on November 27, 2013 at 12:58 AM

If married, then go out with a bang and a JD and Coke o_0!!

Scrumpy on November 27, 2013 at 1:01 AM

Those green Harvard Classics were fun to read.

wolly4321 on November 27, 2013 at 12:59 AM

The red ones are better. :)

Axe on November 27, 2013 at 1:01 AM

Axe on November 27, 2013 at 1:01 AM

I liked the blue ones ;p

Scrumpy on November 27, 2013 at 1:03 AM

One of my favorites

‘Nite All

jaime on November 27, 2013 at 1:04 AM

Scrumpy on November 27, 2013 at 1:01 AM

ooooooops!! I just really read what I wrote my my!!

Scrumpy on November 27, 2013 at 1:04 AM

jaime on November 27, 2013 at 1:04 AM

Good night and great tunes!! :)

Scrumpy on November 27, 2013 at 1:05 AM

Agreeing with her, and using her literature that she left behind doesn’t constitute “worship”.

listens2glenn on November 27, 2013 at 12:56 AM

….or, perhaps I should more correctly say: “Bingo!”

williamg on November 27, 2013 at 1:05 AM

Wait, what? You draw for a living?

Axe on November 26, 2013 at 3:05 AM

to answer your question from late yesterday….yes

going2mars on November 27, 2013 at 1:05 AM

to answer your question from late yesterday….yes

going2mars on November 27, 2013 at 1:05 AM

Ah, why did you remind me.

Once again I’m harrowed by the possibilities.

Axe on November 27, 2013 at 1:06 AM

I liked the blue ones ;p

Scrumpy on November 27, 2013 at 1:03 AM

Meh. Everything you got is either blue or pink, apparently. :)

Axe on November 27, 2013 at 1:07 AM

“Just as the commandment ‘Thou shalt not kill’ sets a clear limit in order to safeguard the value of human life, today we also have to say ‘thou shalt not’ to an economy of exclusion and inequality. Such an economy kills,”

Pope Francis

.
No, your Eminence … economies of “exclusion and inequality” only exist where there is Socialized/Communist Government.

The U.S. has come the closest to an “unfettered capitalist” economy in my lifetime, during the Presidency of Ronaldus Magnus.
It immediately started downhill when GHW Bush gave in to the House leaders on new tax increases (aka the 1990 budget deal).

“Read My lips . . . . . . . “

listens2glenn on November 27, 2013 at 1:07 AM

not late yet

fred

jrsrigmvr on November 27, 2013 at 1:08 AM

thatsafactjack on November 27, 2013 at 12:36 AM

You always merry me, you know that. And a Merry Thanksgiving to you and yours, too, and all are still welcomed here at the ranch for a somewhat traditional but always jovial (read adult-beveraged) celebration of the day.

Tomorrow morning, it will be clear and cold and perfect for the shooting of the wild turkeys that will find themselves the next day on the tables and in the bellies of that group I endearingly call a Confederacy of the Dunces, probably my favorite novel.

Until then …

TXUS on November 27, 2013 at 1:08 AM

Where in the world is unfettered capitalism occurring?

Flange on November 26, 2013 at 9:50 PM

In my office.

trigon on November 27, 2013 at 1:08 AM

“Two years before the mast” was my favorite.

Joined the Navy.

The “new” Axe rocked tonight..

Good luck,.

wolly4321 on November 27, 2013 at 1:09 AM

I’m glad Yngwie doesn’t like Obama, but more people should know who Guthrie Govan is. Arguably he is the best. Personally, I love Eddie, but Guthrie can play anything Eddie can and more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxyuVC4NxvQ

Mini-14 on November 27, 2013 at 1:09 AM

Axe on November 27, 2013 at 1:06 AM

you reminded me..

No RWM, and now no Spark?

WTF MAN

Axe on November 27, 2013 at 12:50 AM

with this…made me think Rodeo…calf ropeing…shrugs

going2mars on November 27, 2013 at 1:11 AM

Sorry, I’m late … did I miss all of the trolls?

listens2glenn on November 27, 2013 at 12:36 AM

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Just hit and runs. : )

Axe on November 27, 2013 at 1:00 AM

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P A N S I E S ! ! !

listens2glenn on November 27, 2013 at 1:11 AM

not early either

fred

jrsrigmvr on November 27, 2013 at 1:12 AM

wolly4321 on November 27, 2013 at 1:09 AM

:) That was nice of you. That was actually the old Axe, though. I retired. Formally, in fact, here in QOTD. Ten years before the mast was enough. I had to move to something else.

I used to romp a bit like RWM — if you can believe it. (And I understand completely if you Kant.)

Axe on November 27, 2013 at 1:15 AM

Sometimes………Christmas can turn ugly….

williamg on November 27, 2013 at 1:18 AM

Well… if trickle down theory doesn’t work then the church doesn’t need my money and I’ll give directly to the poor… because the church is epitome of trickle down economics.

Socialist attitudes, outside of government control and regulation are a good idea… Entrenching them as a regulatory body, as he is inferring is dangerous and reckless.

But then this is what we have passing for leadership these days in the world… “Hey, y’know what’s a good idea?! If you give me your excess money and I do good things with it!”

Skywise on November 27, 2013 at 1:25 AM

chrissy forgot to swoosh so i will

Swwoooooossssshhhhhh!

Adios: vaya con dios.

Fred

jrsrigmvr on November 27, 2013 at 1:25 AM

I’m hangin’ out with Twerp until one of you pikers figures out the Pope and tells me.

SparkPlug on November 26, 2013 at 10:04 PM


Late to the party … fighting a bad headache … not quite up to reading 300 comments to see if anyone has given this answer yet … not even sure if anyone’s still around … but for your consideration:

Look back to Pope Francis’s priorities when first elected – he set out to reform the Curia, including specifically targeting the abuse of children.

A few months later, he made some public comments regarding the difficulty of that under taking and the significant resistance he was encountering in his efforts.

And now the focus is on the Pope speaking out about the economic injustice in the world and the need to place the spiritual above thw worldly. This is consistent with the public remarks of the last 5 or 6 Popes, isn’t it?

And all the talk of reforming the Curia?

Poof! Down the memory hole!

I think Francis is a humble servant of God and that he has been humbled by the institutions of Catholic Church.

PolAgnostic on November 27, 2013 at 1:27 AM

The Cult – Fire Woman

Axe on November 27, 2013 at 1:27 AM

John Paul II and Benedict XVI understood that the rise of the social welfare state undermines the Christian commitment to charity. Jesus commanded individuals to care for the poor through charity, not that they could merely pay taxes to an almighty State who would take care of things.

To believe the State can care for such things is to at once abdicate personal responsibility and endorse a creation of Man. Over thirty years ago, I wrote a piece defining this problem as the apparent conflict between being “my brother’s keeper” as indicated by Scripture and the “let George do it” attitude that promotes human laziness.

The Pope is a good man with a good heart and good intentions, but he ought confine his remarks on secular matters to those in which he has some learning and understanding.

Adjoran on November 27, 2013 at 1:31 AM

I can’t wait for the papal encyclical on Quantitative Easing?

Bill C on November 27, 2013 at 1:32 AM

Fred

jrsrigmvr on November 27, 2013 at 1:25 AM

I didn’t * swoosh * I went elsewhere and am having to defend myself once more to people in the gulch from a brazen liar who is seeking sympathy cuz he can’t let go…

Scrumpy on November 27, 2013 at 1:35 AM

I gotta say, my initial views of the Catholic church are looking to be more and more rock solid every year that passes by.

astonerii on November 27, 2013 at 1:37 AM

PolAgnostic on November 27, 2013 at 1:27 AM

I pray that your headache goes away….

Good to see you :)

Scrumpy on November 27, 2013 at 1:38 AM

I’m glad Yngwie doesn’t like Obama, but more people should know who Guthrie Govan is. Arguably he is the best. Personally, I love Eddie, but Guthrie can play anything Eddie can and more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxyuVC4NxvQ

Mini-14 on November 27, 2013 at 1:09 AM

I consider Guthrie>Eddie, too, but it’s hard for me to argue that someone’s “best,” once they’ve reached a certain level…

McAuley Schenker Group – “Save Yourself”

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Anti-Control on November 27, 2013 at 1:39 AM

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