Payoff: Feds to increase “risk payments” to insurers in return for un-canceling plans

posted at 2:51 pm on November 26, 2013 by Allahpundit

We all know about the “risk corridor” at this point, yes? Designed to spread the risk of budget overruns among insurers, it could end up as a mechanism for a federal bailout of the industry if the ObamaCare exchange risk pool ends up being much older and sicker than everyone expects. When King Barack declared that he’d allow insurers to un-cancel old plans, notwithstanding what the ObamaCare statute has to say about it, he increased the odds of that bailout being necessary by allowing healthy people to leave the exchange risk pool (temporarily) and revert to their old, cheaper coverage. That means less revenue for insurers, which of course makes budget overruns for the exchange plans more likely. How could O possibly make it up to them?

You know how. A day after Obama announced his “fix” that doesn’t actually fix anything, CMS sent a letter to insurers reassuring them that the agency would “explore ways to modify the risk corridor program final rules to provide additional assistance.” Translation: The feds are going to shovel a little extra taxpayer money their way to cover the extra cost imposed by O’s buck-passing, ass-covering, eleventh-hour attempt to keep his “if you like your plan” promise after all. And now, here it is:

The U.S. government has issued a proposal that would likely increase risk payments in 2014 to health insurers offering plans on the Obamacare exchanges after the companies complained a recent policy change allowing people to keep their insurance policies had changed the financial equation.

The rule, published on Monday in the Federal Register, lowered the threshold at which risk payments kick in for the sickest health plan members. The government proposed paying insurers 80 percent of claims greater than $45,000 in 2014. Previously the lower limit was $60,000…

In addition, the government has proposed a state-specific adjustment for risk payments based on how many people in the state extend their current polices, Citibank analyst Carl McDonald explained in a research note.

Insurers thought they’d have enough profit flowing in from healthy people who’d been forced onto the exchanges that they wouldn’t need federal help in paying off claims below 60 grand. Thanks to Obama’s need to protect himself and his party politically, that calculation has now changed — and your money will make up the difference. If you’re one of the lucky few million who’s received a cancellation notice this year, that means you’re one of the law’s “losers” twice over. Happy Thanksgiving.

Oh, almost forgot: The feds don’t have a way of transmitting these individual risk payments to insurers yet because … that part of the ObamaCare website hasn’t been built yet:

Beyond the troubles with enrollment forms, which have been evident since the marketplace opened on Oct. 1, insurers are anticipating problems if IT workers from the government and outside contractors cannot soon build other parts of the online system that are running behind schedule.

For instance, starting in mid-December, the government and each participating insurance company are supposed to perform a monthly “reconciliation,” to make sure that each side has the same list of new customers, the benefits chosen by the consumers and the government subsidies for which they qualify. That feature of the online system, however, has not been built, according to people close to the industry and government officials.

Nor can the system handle another feature, scheduled to be ready when health plans take effect on Jan. 1, in which insurers are to be paid extra government money, through a method known as “risk corridors,” if their new customers are old and require expensive medical care. “It’s not built, let alone tested,” the industry official said.

Other parts of Healthcare.gov still aren’t working — uploaded ID documents have been known to disappear into the ether, as have “orphaned” enrollment records — but at least there’s some sort of infrastructure in place for those. The back end, where insurers receive data and money from the feds, represents the 30-40 percent of the exchange that still needs to be built from scratch. Show of hands: Who’s not-so-secretly enjoying watching the insurance industry learn what it means to partner with Barack Obama?


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This is all well and good, but Insurers still report to the States first.

Johnnyreb on November 26, 2013 at 2:54 PM

We have now officially attained banana republic status.

AZCoyote on November 26, 2013 at 2:55 PM

This would be a better system if only the ‘rats could have it they way they feel it should be: A few lab-coated guys sitting behind desks on the train offload ramp pointing either left or right to each person who stumbles from the cattle cars.

Bishop on November 26, 2013 at 2:56 PM

Show of hands: Who’s not-so-secretly enjoying watching the insurance industry learn what it means to partner with Barack Obama?

I don’t know. This schadenfreude is becoming rather expensive for us taxpayers. BTW, does Obama even have the authority to increase the size of the bailout to insurers? I know, he has no regard for the Constitution, but when it comes to appropriating taxpayer money in this way, doesn’t he have to go through Congress?

Doughboy on November 26, 2013 at 2:58 PM

BTW, speaking of our banana republic, Obamacare uses our tax money to set up 50 new state databases for future Democratic voter data mining:

http://pjmedia.com/blog/rigging-the-future-obamacare-creates-50-new-state-databases-with-no-function-beyond-gathering-potential-voter-information-real-or-fraudulent/

AZCoyote on November 26, 2013 at 3:00 PM

It doesn’t matter which way the winds blows….the taxpaying U.S. citizen is bent over again.

Ditkaca on November 26, 2013 at 3:01 PM

Show of hands: Who’s not-so-secretly enjoying watching the insurance industry learn what it means to partner with Barack Obama?

When you get in bed with a flea-infested dog, don’t be surprised to learn you’ve now got fleas.

Designed to spread the risk of budget overruns among insurers, it could end up as a mechanism for a federal bailout of the industry if the ObamaCare exchange risk pool ends up being much older and sicker than everyone expects.

To Obama, it’s a small price to pay for control of 1/6th of the national economy. The ends justifies the means.

Athos on November 26, 2013 at 3:02 PM

RICO ACT.

thatsafactjack on November 26, 2013 at 3:03 PM

Why does Obama get to loot the treasury? Is it all just because he has silky black skin??

envycat on November 26, 2013 at 3:04 PM

With all the screw-ups in ObamaCare, it’s amazing that anyone wants the government handling any part of their health care insurance.

BTW, didn’t King Barack claim that HIS magnanimous health care WOULD NOT INCREASE THE DEFICIT BY ONE DIME?

GarandFan on November 26, 2013 at 3:05 PM

And then of course, we will eventually realize that we can drop the middleman and go right to the govt teat.

Looks like a plan.

Akzed on November 26, 2013 at 3:05 PM

Lawless, illegitimate.

forest on November 26, 2013 at 3:06 PM

Who’s not-so-secretly enjoying watching the insurance industry learn what it means to partner with Barack Obama?

That’s not what I take away from you post. I’m scared that they will create a institutionalized yearly bailout of the insurance companies in order to ameliorate the pain caused by the ACA. And it will work – the “folks” will go along with this – in the name of bipartisanship and fixing what is broken because we can’t go back to the evil old substandard plans…and because the opposition, the GOPe, has given in. And because there will be a huge new welfare program that no one has to pay for. Nope, I’m not enjoying this latest bit of crony capitalism.

BoxHead1 on November 26, 2013 at 3:08 PM

It’s the Chicago way.

NickelAndDime on November 26, 2013 at 3:09 PM

The fix is “in”… and the taxpayers are left holding the bag…

Thanks again 52%, and all the Democrats who gave us Obamacare…

Khun Joe on November 26, 2013 at 3:11 PM

I know, he has no regard for the Constitution, but when it comes to appropriating taxpayer money in this way, doesn’t he have to go through Congress?

Doughboy on November 26, 2013 at 2:58 PM

He already did. Its in the ACA.

BobMbx on November 26, 2013 at 3:12 PM

The Federal Register can just announce this, without any congressional approval?

This stinks.

LASue on November 26, 2013 at 3:12 PM

Ok, does anyone still think Obama will let the 2014 elections be impacted by the employer mandate?

They will simply delay it, print more money and shovel it into a mechanism to make sure there’s little/no pain felt before the election, etc.

There are no rules, folks. There’s no way in hell they are going to allow this to sour people into turning them out of power in November. Whatever it takes – delay, spending, bribery, *amnesty* to offset perturbed voters, etc. – they *will* do it.

Midas on November 26, 2013 at 3:12 PM

Obama will bailout the insurance industry. I wonder what the left will think of that.

blink on November 26, 2013 at 3:09 PM

They’ll cheer, because it will help keep Democrats in power in the face of what would otherwise, in a system of laws, be a disaster next election.

You know, if Democrats had an opponent that wasn’t also trying their hardest to *lose* elections by destroying their own base.

Midas on November 26, 2013 at 3:13 PM

Constitutional scholar wipes rear end with constitution

jaywemm on November 26, 2013 at 3:16 PM

BTW, didn’t King Barack claim that HIS magnanimous health care WOULD NOT INCREASE THE DEFICIT BY ONE DIME?

GarandFan on November 26, 2013 at 3:05 PM

It won’t.

The insurance company bailouts, taxpayer subsidies, bribery payments, etc – *those* might add to the deficit, but Obamacare won’t.

See how that’s done?

Midas on November 26, 2013 at 3:16 PM

I’m concerned that once federal money starts flowing into any kind of payment, it’s impossible to stop it, because to do so would be heartless, draconian, hateful, and, to top it off, racist.

Paul-Cincy on November 26, 2013 at 3:16 PM

There should be freshly pock-marked walls all over this nation.

Murphy9 on November 26, 2013 at 3:19 PM

Why did we have to pass it to see what’s in it if Obama can just change what’s in it at will and on whim?

Adjoran on November 26, 2013 at 3:19 PM

Headline from 2025:

Single-payer shocked at new premium for 2026; says can’t pay. Health insurance company stocks rocked.

Dan Smith, from Witchita KS, was shocked when he received his policy renewal statement from AETNA last Thursday. The letter stated his premium for 2026 would be $2,500,000,000,000. AETNA explained this enormous premium was due to the fact that he was the only one not entitled to a subsidy, and therefore all costs of medical insurance for the country had to come from somewhere.

BobMbx on November 26, 2013 at 3:21 PM

Is that what was meant by “THE FIX IS IN”. Where is all this money coming from. Congress didn’t approve it. I can find no none not any reporting on the money except what WBAL in Baltimore said about the $130,000 to the Ravens. Something funny is going on when the Government and the pet media hide it.

jpcpt03 on November 26, 2013 at 3:21 PM

Why did we have to pass it to see what’s in it if Obama can just change what’s in it at will and on whim?

Adjoran on November 26, 2013 at 3:19 PM

If Obama was an empty vessel into which people poured their hopes and dreams, then laws are Obama’s empty vessel, into which he pours … whatever he wants. Besides, he’s Obama, who loves us, and has a wonderful plan for our lives. You can have total and complete faith in him that he’ll do what’s right, and not let anyone fall through the cracks. Until the country becomes one huge crack. Then he can blame that on the racist Republicans.

Paul-Cincy on November 26, 2013 at 3:24 PM

If I didn’t know any better, I’d say they were making this sh!t up as they went along.

itsspideyman on November 26, 2013 at 3:27 PM

Since the Law Of The Land specifies that these plans are illegal, how can the Fed pay insurers to break the law?

NeighborhoodCatLady on November 26, 2013 at 3:28 PM

If Obama was an empty vessel into which people poured their hopes and dreams, then laws are Obama’s empty vessel, into which he pours … whatever he wants.

As far as he is concerned, the law is an empty chamber pot, into which he…. you know.

NeighborhoodCatLady on November 26, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Show of hands: Who’s not-so-secretly enjoying watching the insurance industry learn what it means to partner with Barack Obama?

Not all insurance companies signed on to this train wreck. See NC.

Laserjock on November 26, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Is anyone suprised by this? The proggies have come too close to their dream, after 100 years of hard work, to walk away from it now. They will not allow this to slip away, regardless of things like morality, laws or the constitution.

[I was going to say “they will not allow this to fail…”, but actually, “failure” in any rational, objective sense, is not a concern to them, only that they have taken, and retain, control.]

I’m pretty sure we’re going to see more, and worse, actions to shore up this and all of the other bogus policies that the regime has installed.

bofh on November 26, 2013 at 3:30 PM

What will happen when someone insured on a plan not deemed compliant under Obamacare but allowed to be bought under the political “fix”, sues the insurance provider for not covering their substance abuse problem? Or birth control? Or when an exam unearths some condition not covered under the current “bad-apple” plan, but would otherwise be under an Obamacare-approved plan?

BKeyser on November 26, 2013 at 3:33 PM

Since the Law Of The Land specifies that these plans are illegal, how can the Fed pay insurers to break the law?

NeighborhoodCatLady on November 26, 2013 at 3:28 PM


The Regime is breaking The Law to enable insurers to break The Law and they’re now further breaking The Law to pay the Insurers to break The Law.

forest on November 26, 2013 at 3:34 PM

Let alone that it’s illegal to spend the money in this way… isn’t this directly considered a political payback/favor and THAT’S illegal for a completely different reason?

Who’s watching the watchers?!

Skywise on November 26, 2013 at 3:34 PM

RIGGING THE FUTURE: Obamacare Creates 50 New State Databases With No Function Beyond Gathering Potential Voter Information, Real or Fraudulent

“Since the passage of Obamacare, all fifty state Medicaid agencies have been forced to create a new standalone database that contains nothing besides the contact information of Medicaid applicants who used Healthcare.gov.

Some of these new databases mail out voter registration forms automatically. You cannot refuse them.

No worthwhile verification occurs before the forms are mailed. Apply for Medicaid and the form will be mailed to you, be you a verifiable citizen or Ayman al-Zawahiri on a computer in Pakistan.

Further, these new databases are accessible by groups like Organizing for Action, the reconstituted ACORN, and malevolent figures like Chris Tarango.

And no reasonable purpose exists for creating the databases besides making them available to the aforementioned Democratic activists…”

http://pjmedia.com/

February 2013

““The President has put in place an organization with the kind of database that no one has ever seen before in life,” Representative Maxine Waters told Roland Martin on Monday.
“That’s going to be very, very powerful,” Waters said. “That database will have information about everything on every individual on ways that it’s never been done before and whoever runs for President on the Democratic ticket has to deal with that. They’re going to go down with that database and the concerns of those people because they can’t get around it. And he’s [President Obama] been very smart. It’s very powerful what he’s leaving in place.”

workingclass artist on November 26, 2013 at 3:36 PM

BOHICA, taxpayers! Perhaps it is time to consider civil disobedience en masse.

islandman78 on November 26, 2013 at 3:38 PM

If you ever needed proof that the law means nothing to Obama and the Democrats, keep track of how many times Obama has changed Obamacare, a law written and passed exclusively by Democrats, without so much as consulting congress, the sole branch of the government with the authority to make or change the law, by his will alone… and we’ve heard nothing from Democrats about this imperial president.

The LEFT has lost any platform on which to try and make the case that they are even vaguely interested in the rule of law.

Lawlessness cannot be tolerated.

thatsafactjack on November 26, 2013 at 3:38 PM

When does this man’s illegal actions attain impeachment status? Anyone? Bueller?

dpduq on November 26, 2013 at 3:39 PM

And the bailouts begin – leading inevitably to the 0bumble “owning” the insurance industry – which of course leads to single payer, effectively, even if not officially.

(gravelly mafia voice)
“I’m just doin you a favah. Some day I might need a favah, so when I call you….”

dentarthurdent on November 26, 2013 at 3:40 PM

BTW, speaking of our banana republic, Obamacare uses our tax money to set up 50 new state databases for future Democratic voter data mining:

Doesn’t Obama need 57 state databases?

Steve Z on November 26, 2013 at 3:41 PM

If Obama was an empty vessel into which people poured their hopes and dreams, then laws are Obama’s empty vessel, into which he pours … whatever he wants. Besides, he’s Obama, who loves us, and has a wonderful plan for our lives. You can have total and complete faith in him that he’ll do what’s right, and not let anyone fall through the cracks. Until the country becomes one huge crack. Then he can blame that on the racist Republicans.

Paul-Cincy on November 26, 2013 at 3:24 PM

Talk to Marty Bashir about what I think should be poured into this particular vessel….

dentarthurdent on November 26, 2013 at 3:43 PM

When does this man’s illegal actions attain impeachment status? Anyone? Bueller?

dpduq on November 26, 2013 at 3:39 PM

When the Democrats decide that impeachment is their idea.

NeighborhoodCatLady on November 26, 2013 at 3:49 PM

There is just no end to this diaper-loads shenanigans

rjoco1 on November 26, 2013 at 3:49 PM

Show of hands: Who’s not-so-secretly enjoying watching the insurance industry learn what it means to partner with Barack Obama?

Not all insurance companies signed on to this train wreck. See NC.

Laserjock on November 26, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Furthermore, those who continually bash insurance companies for “going along” with this are being surprisingly naive about their motivations for doing so.

What were they supposed do? Not go along with it?

These aren’t stupid people. They’re smart enough to see what the Left is able to accomplish through their normal demonization campaigns. For a perfect example, see the abject wreck they made of the housing industry that began with a simple redlining lawsuit being brought by ACORN (and Obama, who worked as legal consul on the lawsuit) against Citigroup.

Now couple that with the fact that one of these same Leftists was now the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES…a man who immediately upon taking office, called a group of the most powerful businessmen in the country to a meeting where he told them that he was “the only thing standing between them and mobs with pitchforks”.

It’s all nice and good to sit around keyboards crowing about how you would have been the one to stand firmly on principle, but those who are at the helms of these businesses – businesses that affect the lives of just about every American in one way or another and who employ hundreds of thousands of people – might have had different reasoning.

rvastar on November 26, 2013 at 3:52 PM

Obamacare will fail.

How Complex Systems Fail

Going down the rabbit hole…..

MichaelGabriel on November 26, 2013 at 4:00 PM

Furthermore, those who continually bash insurance companies for “going along” with this are being surprisingly naive about their motivations for doing so.

What were they supposed do? Not go along with it?

You imply a “deal they can’t refuse”.

I suggest its a quid pro quo. In laymans terms, a conspiracy to insure profits are maintained for the insurance company executives in exchange for assisting in the implementation of socialism.

“So, let me get this straight….you want to eliminate health insurers and replace them a single payer system, and if I help you do that, you’ll make me, personally, a billionaire? Hmmmmm….ok”

BobMbx on November 26, 2013 at 4:03 PM

The government proposed paying insurers 80 percent of claims greater than $45,000 in 2014. Previously the lower limit was $60,000…

Is that “per patient”? If so, where is BuhRock gonna find all them monies? Hmmmmm.

/

Key West Reader on November 26, 2013 at 4:13 PM

When does this man’s illegal actions attain impeachment status? Anyone? Bueller?

dpduq on November 26, 2013 at 3:39 PM

When the Democrats decide that impeachment is their idea.

NeighborhoodCatLady on November 26, 2013 at 3:49 PM

And that will only happen if/when enough Dems who are up for re-election figure out they’re losing because of 0barky and 0scare.

dentarthurdent on November 26, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Bribery.

sadatoni on November 26, 2013 at 4:16 PM

Excuse my language but this is pure bull$hit. How long will these despicable crooks get away with this?

rplat on November 26, 2013 at 4:24 PM

Well – when does the shooting start? I mean aren’t we pretty much resolved to the fact that at some point the producers will have no other choice than to confront their oppressors. Obama is creating the data necessary to steal another election. Wonder whose side the military and state national guards will take?

This is what happens when a republic dies. Ugly.

Zomcon JEM on November 26, 2013 at 4:28 PM

Support Marco Rubio’s efforts to shut this down! He got on this facet of the “fix” early and is leading the way.

MJBrutus on November 26, 2013 at 4:31 PM

This is just another Band-Aid that will do nothing to stop the bleeding.

Let America enjoy the full wonder of Obamacare, and then let them decide.

PattyJ on November 26, 2013 at 4:35 PM

We all know about the “risk corridor” at this point, yes? Designed to spread the risk of budget overruns among insurers, it could end up as a mechanism for a federal bailout of the industry if the ObamaCare exchange risk pool ends up being much older and sicker than everyone expects.

All ins. companies which stood with obama, and him, to Hell with all of you. Go under, along with all the doctors and medical device companies.

Never call anything a “subsidy” or “supplement”.

Call it “taxpayers’ fraud”. That’s what they are. YOU are defrauded by obama and the ins. companies.

If the Rs allow this, go to Hell too, you morons.

Schadenfreude on November 26, 2013 at 4:44 PM

Show of hands: Who’s not-so-secretly enjoying watching the insurance industry learn what it means to partner with Barack Obama?

If you sleep with fleas you deserve to be poisoned.

Schadenfreude on November 26, 2013 at 4:44 PM

If you ever needed proof that the law means nothing to Obama and the Democrats, keep track of how many times Obama has changed Obamacare, a law written and passed exclusively by Democrats, without so much as consulting congress, the sole branch of the government with the authority to make or change the law, by his will alone… and we’ve heard nothing from Democrats about this imperial president.

The LEFT has lost any platform on which to try and make the case that they are even vaguely interested in the rule of law.

Lawlessness cannot be tolerated.

thatsafactjack on November 26, 2013 at 3:38 PM

I believe that Rush was correct on his show yesterday. I don’t think the Democrats care one wit what the masses think. This has been an evolutionary process over the past century, from Woodrow Wilson until today. The elites – the academy, the wealthy – of this country have always been enamored of authoritarianism. They curried favor with both Hitler and Stalin. People like Obama, Pelosi and Reid hear the rabble of the masses but I believe they have convinced themselves that the anger will be all talk with no further organization to action or outright civil disobedience. It is correct that this whole healthcare program is simply a political program to gather information. The Democratic Party controls the bureaucracy because it has been, for the most part, the Democrat Party’s creation since Roosevelt. They are the party that never threatens its existence. These people are evil pure and simple and people like libfreeordie who troll here are their pernicious enablers.

DaveDief on November 26, 2013 at 4:50 PM

Show of hands: Who’s not-so-secretly enjoying watching the insurance industry learn what it means to partner with Barack Obama?

This classic from another thread applies here, too:

I suspect I may later feel the pain, but for now, I have two words:
Ha ha!
freedomfirst on November 26, 2013 at 3:53 PM

+1!

KS Rex on November 26, 2013 at 5:03 PM

Lawlessness cannot be tolerated.

thatsafactjack on November 26, 2013 at 3:38 PM

Thugs must be fought with an iron fist.

The Rs fight fraudulent thuggery with silky gloves and lose every time.

Schadenfreude on November 26, 2013 at 5:07 PM

Headline from 2025:

Single-payer shocked at new premium for 2026; says can’t pay. Health insurance company stocks rocked.

Dan Smith, from Witchita KS, was shocked when he received his policy renewal statement from AETNA last Thursday. The letter stated his premium for 2026 would be $2,500,000,000,000. AETNA explained this enormous premium was due to the fact that he was the only one not entitled to a subsidy, and therefore all costs of medical insurance for the country had to come from somewhere.

BobMbx on November 26, 2013 at 3:21 PM

So that’s what “single-payer” means! LOL
PS – It’s nice to see that in 2025, they’ll have changed the spelling of Wichita to the way all non-Kansans think it’s spelled! ;-)

KS Rex on November 26, 2013 at 5:14 PM

When King Barack declared that he’d allow insurers to un-cancel old plans, notwithstanding what the ObamaCare statute has to say about it, ….. AP

Remember when we had a chief executor of the law and not a tyrant?

The U.S. government has issued a proposal that would likely increase risk payments in 2014 to health insurers offering plans on the Obamacare exchanges ….

Remember when Congress had to approve funding?

The rule, published on Monday in the Federal Register, lowered the threshold at which risk payments kick in for the sickest health plan members. The government proposed paying insurers 80 percent of claims greater than $45,000 in 2014. Previously the lower limit was $60,000…

Remember when Rule by Rulings replaced Rule of Law?

No wonder Obama’s illegal alien army demands he skip the law and start issuing decrees. The barbarians are at the gates because Obama told them by his corruption he welcomes their assaults.

entagor on November 26, 2013 at 5:16 PM

Any insurance company that doesn’t play along will get a technical ruling that they don’t qualify for the increased ‘risk payments’.

Wigglesworth on November 26, 2013 at 5:35 PM

Bohner won’t fund it. Uh wait a minute. Who am I kidding.

Wigglesworth on November 26, 2013 at 5:36 PM

There is no rule of law. There is only Obama and his decrees. Why is anyone still working?

tngmv on November 26, 2013 at 5:37 PM

Support Marco Rubio’s efforts to shut this down! He got on this facet of the “fix” early and is leading the way.

MJBrutus on November 26, 2013 at 4:31 PM

Ha ha. Now that’s funny. MJBrutus might actually be Marco giving himself a plug.

Wigglesworth on November 26, 2013 at 5:39 PM

Does it constitute racketeering when the President breaks the law, attempts to enjoin insurance companies to break the law, and uses taxpayer money as incentive to break the law?

How many different laws and oaths of office are being broken here?

Also, if I contribute money to a cause that is openly breaking the law, am I not also culpable in helping fund a criminal enterprise at some point? As a law-abiding citizen, shouldn’t I refrain from allowing any of my money go towards aiding and abetting a criminal enterprise?

Any tax attorney’s in the house? What’s it take to make a legal case against paying taxes on such grounds? :)

Midas on November 26, 2013 at 6:22 PM

Excuse my language but this is pure bull$hit. How long will these despicable crooks get away with this?

rplat on November 26, 2013 at 4:24 PM

Until they are forced to stop.

Midas on November 26, 2013 at 6:47 PM