Quotes of the day

posted at 10:21 pm on November 25, 2013 by Allahpundit

“It’s the top item on his foreign agenda for the rest of his term,” a source close to the White House’s thinking said of the Iran issue. “He doesn’t want to leave anything to chance.”

The stakes are enormous for Obama. If the talks break down and Iran dashes to build an atomic bomb before the West can stop it, he could go into the history books as the president whose naivete allowed the Islamic Republic to go nuclear…

On Saturday, Kerry spoke by phone to Obama from Geneva to discuss the outstanding issues in the final tense stages of negotiations, a senior State Department official said. “This went all the way up to (Obama) personally approving the final language,” the official said…

“Resolving the Iran issue would be a huge boon to his legacy,” said Colin Kahl, a former Pentagon official involved in Iran policymaking who now teaches at Georgetown University.

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Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said Monday the Senate might pursue stronger sanctions against Iran, after lawmakers criticized a nuclear accord that would ease sanctions.

Reid called the pact negotiated between six world powers and Iran an “important first step,” but expressed uncertainty whether it would be good enough…

Reid said he has discussed Netanyahu’s concerns with him.

“If I were the leader of that country, I’d be concerned, too,” he said of the Israeli leader. “I’ve spoken to him about this.

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The final details of a nuclear agreement signed over the weekend between Iran and Western nations will not actually go into effect until further negotiations take place at a later date, according to a senior administration official and sources on Capitol Hill…

That means the six-month clock referenced by the administration and media has not yet started. Iran can continue its most controversial nuclear activities as negotiators work to finalize the interim deal reached over the weekend.

“There is no deal in place,” a senior congressional aide briefed on the deal told the Free Beacon. “The agreement signed this weekend was not an actual agreement—it was a list of ideas with no way to implement them.”

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Hawkish senators are still pushing for new sanctions on Iran after the interim nuclear deal reached this weekend, but new sanctions don’t seem likely to become reality — at least for now…

A senior administration official emphasized Monday on a call with reporters that the White House would not support new sanctions.

“We believe that any sanctions that are passed during negotiations would do several things that would be unhelpful,” the official said.

The administration’s message to Congress is “it’s not going to be difficult to pass sanctions if and when it comes to that, so there’s no urgency to get a piece of legislation out now,” according to the official.

The official would not say if President Obama would veto new sanctions. “That’s a hypothetical bc a bill hasn’t been passed,” the official said.

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U.S. President Barack Obama has had two overarching goals in the Iran crisis. The first was to stop the Iranian regime from gaining possession of a nuclear weapon. The second was to prevent Israel from attacking Iran’s nuclear facilities.

This weekend, the president achieved one of these goals. He boxed-in Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu so comprehensively that it’s unimaginable Israel will strike Iran in the foreseeable future. Netanyahu had his best chance to attack in 2010 and 2011, and he missed it. He came close but was swayed by Obama’s demand that he keep his planes parked. It would be a foolhardy act — one that could turn Israel into a true pariah state, and bring about the collapse of sanctions and possible war in the Middle East — if Israel were to attack Iran now, in the middle of negotiations.

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A lawmaker from Netanyahu’s Likud faction told an Israeli television station earlier on Monday that the premier rebuked US President Barack Obama over the interim agreement agreed upon by the Western powers and Iran on Sunday.

“The prime minister made it clear to the most powerful man on earth that if he intends to stay the most powerful man on earth, it’s important to make a change in American policy because the practical result of his current policy is liable to lead him to the same failure that the Americans absorbed in North Korea and Pakistan, and Iran could be next in line,” Likud Beytenu MK Tzachi Hanegbi told the Knesset Channel…

In the call, Obama told Netanyahu that the P5+1 — the US, United Kingdom, France, Russia, China and Germany — would use the next several months to forge a “lasting, peaceful and comprehensive” solution to the slow-motion nuclear crisis causing consternation throughout the Middle East.

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“My worry is not over the next six months,” said Dov Zakheim, former undersecretary of Defense in the Bush administration. “The problem to me is that the president has once again laid out another red line and his track record with red lines is ambiguous. The red line this time is the six months.”…

Several foreign officials said that the Syrian red line episode had eroded the Obama administration’s credibility around the world, which raises questions over promises made about Iran.

“When you draw red lines and then they are crossed and you don’t do anything about it, two things happen: Your enemies become emboldened and your allies become less sure,” said British Member of Parliament Liam Fox, a former Secretary of State for Defence. “That’s been the problem.”

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Seventh, there are a number of wild cards in the form of various constituencies that do not want an agreement, including in no particular order: Benjamin Netanyahu, some of President Obama’s political opponents in the Republican Party, and the hawks in Iran’s parliament. Watching these various constituencies attempt to sabotage negotiations over the next six months will be interesting. Who knows what Netanyahu will do, although Israel’s stock market apparently rallied on news of the deal. The text of the agreement actually makes parallel references to “the respective roles of the President and the Congress” and “respective roles of the President and the Majlis (Iranian parliament),” which I suspect is a polite recognition that there are less enlightened political forces back home in both capitals who aren’t quite as moved by the mountain air in Geneva to find a peaceful way forward. Senator Inhofe is surely delighted to know that Wendy Sherman thinks he has an Iranian doppelganger in a beard and turban. The parties can do their best to design a deal that cuts out the various hardliners, but I don’t think the opponents will take this quietly. A good deal is one that is robust to sabotage.

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Those who do not learn from history, the saying goes, are doomed to repeat it. In this case, we cannot afford to let the Obama administration learn on the job. It is time to recognize the hard lessons of the last 20 years and apply them to this process.

We should have demanded preconditions from the Iranians before any direct meetings took place, and we can at least do so now before additional negotiations begin. We can start by reclaiming the moral high ground and demand the Iranian regime immediately and unconditionally release the three Americans they are unjustly detaining, Saeed Abedini, Amir Hekmati, and Robert Levinson. American citizens are not bargaining chips, and there should be no further discussion while they are languishing in prison.

In addition, Iran should affirm Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish state. The noxious rhetoric in which Israel is referred to as a “rabid dog” that is “doomed to failure and annihilation” should be utterly unacceptable to the United States. Tolerating such verbiage on the eve of the Geneva negotiations sent a dangerous signal to Iran that the Obama administration was more eager to get a deal than to stand with Israel.

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Iran will gradually shake free of sanctions and glide into a zone of nuclear ambiguity that will keep its adversaries guessing until it opts to make its capabilities known. Saudi Arabia will move swiftly to acquire a nuclear deterrent from its clients in Islamabad; Saudi billionaire Prince Alwaleed bin Talal made that clear to the Journal last week when he indiscreetly discussed “the arrangement with Pakistan.” Egypt is beginning to ponder a nuclear option of its own while drawing closer to a security alliance with Russia.

As for Israel, it cannot afford to live in a neighborhood where Iran becomes nuclear, Assad remains in power, and Hezbollah—Israel’s most immediate military threat—gains strength, clout and battlefield experience. The chances that Israel will hazard a strike on Iran’s nuclear sites greatly increased since Geneva. More so the chances of another war with Hezbollah.

After World War II the U.S. created a global system of security alliances to prevent the kind of foreign policy freelancing that is again becoming rampant in the Middle East. It worked until President Obama decided in his wisdom to throw it away. If you hear echoes of the 1930s in the capitulation at Geneva, it’s because the West is being led by the same sort of men, minus the umbrellas.

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what a horrible story…but its ok because the prezy is out on the coast having fun…yeah, progress baby can upset some people

http://freebeacon.com/obamacares-catastrophic-effects-on-one-town/

“It is a horrible situation all around. I know a lot of these people, they are great assets to the town,” said Middletown Mayor Gerry Scharfenberger.

One woman begged the mayor not to cut her hours. “She was crying, begging me,” Scharfenberger said. “My heart goes out to these workers. … Decent, hard-working people are getting hurt.”

This is only the beginning, he said.

“It’s very early. We haven’t felt the full effect yet,” Scharfenberger said. “I’m terrified of what else is coming next. … It’s so early and has been so catastrophic so early on.”

and Haleprin (?) is out prepping the battle field, that yeah, of course rationing is here…WE have to make a Decision about what to PAY for…the collective can’t afford everything.

they are already framing the argument. Will the RINO party be able to respond?…or will they be the green eye shade people…yeah, we can’t afford everything for all the peasants…

r keller on November 26, 2013 at 3:13 AM

Fever Tree – “San Francisco Girls”

Anti-Control on November 26, 2013 at 3:15 AM

Axe on November 26, 2013 at 3:05 AM

yes…doing it now on the laptop..

going2mars on November 26, 2013 at 3:20 AM

What’s the best place to donate money to as a way to support conservative Senate and House candidates?

bluegill on November 26, 2013 at 3:24 AM

Did you guys get the memo? People like me are screwing up HotAir. Just thought you should know.

gryphon202 on November 26, 2013 at 3:37 AM

What’s the best place to donate money to as a way to support conservative Senate and House candidates?

bluegill on November 26, 2013 at 3:24 AM

Wrong question. IMO, you should be more concerned about how to support nullification in your home state. “Vote the bums out” has failed spectacularly, and there’s no reason to believe it will be any different in ’14 or ’16.

gryphon202 on November 26, 2013 at 3:38 AM

What’s the best place to donate money to as a way to support conservative Senate and House candidates?

bluegill on November 26, 2013 at 3:24 AM

Senate Conservatives Fund

kcewa on November 26, 2013 at 3:51 AM

Did you guys get the memo? People like me are screwing up HotAir. Just thought you should know.
gryphon202 on November 26, 2013 at 3:37 AM

I don’t get what happened in that thread with your comments. You are basically saying that criticizing the site in comments isn’t enough… and that some kind of “action” is needed? What action are you talking about? Nullification? Something else?

You concern me because it seems like you are advocating not just disengagement/retreat from democratic process, but something more? Correct me if I’m wrong.

Another disturbing thing from that “knockout” thread: I didn’t like a link posted in that thread. It was to a website called “angry white guy” or something. It described blacks as animals.

There are obviously some major social problems among blacks, in particular, (acknowledged by many blacks themselves) in this country, and there is a huge double standard in how race-related stories are reported. I would hope the focus is on those things, and not on dehumanizing ethnicities in racist ways. My goal would be to make race/skin color irrelevant and unimportant, but not at the expense of allowing racially-motivated crimes where whites are victims to be ignored or minimized.

bluegill on November 26, 2013 at 3:54 AM

What’s the best place to donate money to as a way to support conservative Senate and House candidates?

bluegill on November 26, 2013 at 3:24 AM

Senate Conservatives Fund

kcewa on November 26, 2013 at 3:51 AM

So how did the Senate oonservatives do advancing conservatism while Republicans held the Senate? Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?

gryphon202 on November 26, 2013 at 3:55 AM

Did you guys get the memo? People like me are screwing up HotAir. Just thought you should know.

gryphon202 on November 26, 2013 at 3:37 AM

lol

That post to you reminded me of the geniuses who complain about “n00bies”… :)

Anti-Control on November 26, 2013 at 4:02 AM

SENATORS WRITING NEW SANCTIONS IN CASE IRAN CHEATS

WASHINGTON (AP) — Leading Democratic and Republican senators are crafting legislation to reinstate the full force of sanctions and impose new ones if Iran doesn’t make good on its pledge to roll back its nuclear program, brushing aside the Obama administration’s fears about upending its diplomatic momentum

The Kirk-Menendez measure would require the administration to certify every 30 days that Iran is adhering to the terms of the six-month interim agreement and that it hasn’t been involved in any act of terrorism against the United States.

Without that certification, sanctions worth more than $1 billion a month would be re-imposed and new sanctions would be added. The new measures would include bans on investing in Iran’s engineering, mining and construction industries and a global boycott of Iranian oil by 2015. Foreign companies and banks violating the sanctions would be barred from doing business in the United States.

kcewa on November 26, 2013 at 4:03 AM

I don’t get what happened in that thread with your comments. You are basically saying that criticizing the site in comments isn’t enough… and that some kind of “action” is needed? What action are you talking about? Nullification? Something else?

You nailed it. I’m not some kind of shadowy conspirator/agitator. I think I’ve made it pretty plain. The federal government is illegitimate in its unconstitutionality, and to say that Obama is using the constitution as toilet paper doesn’t do justice to the violence he has done to it.

You concern me because it seems like you are advocating not just disengagement/retreat from democratic process, but something more? Correct me if I’m wrong.

You’re not wrong, but what is so sacrosanct about “the democratic process” when 50% + 1 person can vote to steal from the other 50% -1 person? I didn’t feel this way before the 2012 elections, but between being lied to by Willard Milton Romney, and the shenanigans that Marco Rubio, Mitch McConnel and John Boehner keep pulling viz a vis amnesty, I’ve had my fill of being lied to. YMMV.

Another disturbing thing from that “knockout” thread: I didn’t like a link posted in that thread. It was to a website called “angry white guy” or something. It described blacks as animals.

If the shoe fits. Or is there a better way to describe urban decay in overwhelmingly black neighborhoods? Perhaps you should ask yourself why it feels so uncomfortable, particularly when some blacks are calling the knockout game players animals, as well.

There are obviously some major social problems among blacks, in particular, (acknowledged by many blacks themselves) in this country, and there is a huge double standard in how race-related stories are reported. I would hope the focus is on those things, and not on dehumanizing ethnicities in racist ways. My goal would be to make race/skin color irrelevant and unimportant, but not at the expense of allowing racially-motivated crimes where whites are victims to be ignored or minimized.

bluegill on November 26, 2013 at 3:54 AM

Blacks are doing a fine job of dehumanizing themselves. That’s how scammers and con artists like Revs Jackson & Sharpton can continue to claim victim status. I’m not naive enough to believe that Sharpton has spoken out on this for any reason other than that it threatens his status as a race hustler.

gryphon202 on November 26, 2013 at 4:03 AM

Bueller?

gryphon202 on November 26, 2013 at 3:55 AM

???

kcewa on November 26, 2013 at 4:04 AM

Did you guys get the memo? People like me are screwing up HotAir. Just thought you should know.

gryphon202 on November 26, 2013 at 3:37 AM

lol

That post to you reminded me of the geniuses who complain about “n00bies”… :)

Anti-Control on November 26, 2013 at 4:02 AM

And I’m not even a noob. I’m as seasoned here as they come. Since day one!

gryphon202 on November 26, 2013 at 4:04 AM

Bueller?

gryphon202 on November 26, 2013 at 3:55 AM
???

kcewa on November 26, 2013 at 4:04 AM

Simple question. What did the Republicans do to advance conservatism in the senate while they held it? Senate Conservatives Fund funds primarily (or perhaps only) Republican campaigns, right? Just tell me something that will make me think I wouldn’t be flushing my money down a toilet by donating to them.

gryphon202 on November 26, 2013 at 4:05 AM

Blacks are doing a fine job of dehumanizing themselves. That’s how scammers and con artists like Revs Jackson & Sharpton can continue to claim victim status. I’m not naive enough to believe that Sharpton has spoken out on this for any reason other than that it threatens his status as a race hustler.
gryphon202 on November 26, 2013 at 4:03 AM

But it’s racist and wrong and unhelpful to dehumanize an ethnicity.

One has to be more specific when describing who is being referred to. I think the headline said, “so and so discovers that blacks are animals.” That’s wrong.

I would instead say: “These looters and attackers are , and their crimes are being downplayed because of their skin color and their victims’ skin colors. Why the double standard?”

bluegill on November 26, 2013 at 4:09 AM

There is a blank in my previous quote because I used brackets … It said “pick horrible word”

bluegill on November 26, 2013 at 4:10 AM

Another disturbing thing from that “knockout” thread: I didn’t like a link posted in that thread. It was to a website called “angry white guy” or something. It described blacks as animals.

If the shoe fits. Or is there a better way to describe urban decay in overwhelmingly black neighborhoods?
gryphon202 on November 26, 2013 at 4:03 AM

How about calling it what it is – the result of liberal policy? I see the same thing in overwhelmingly white communities.

kcewa on November 26, 2013 at 4:10 AM

And I’m not even a noob. I’m as seasoned here as they come. Since day one!

gryphon202 on November 26, 2013 at 4:04 AM

“Yeah, I was a n00b here once, too, but my class of n00b’s clearly is superior to the new n00bs, who have ruined HA!”

ROFL@them

In-group favoritism, sometimes known as in-group–out-group bias, in-group bias, or intergroup bias, refers to a pattern of favoring members of one’s in-group over out-group members. This can be expressed in evaluation of others, allocation of resources and many other ways.

Anti-Control on November 26, 2013 at 4:11 AM

There was a guy on Fox last night… black guy… Last name “Rush” who nailed it. He talked about the need to speak openly and honestly about the racial component and he was critical of the double standard in how these things are reported.

bluegill on November 26, 2013 at 4:11 AM

Another disturbing thing from that “knockout” thread: I didn’t like a link posted in that thread. It was to a website called “angry white guy” or something. It described blacks as animals.

If the shoe fits. Or is there a better way to describe urban decay in overwhelmingly black neighborhoods?
gryphon202 on November 26, 2013 at 4:03 AM

How about calling it what it is – the result of liberal policy? I see the same thing in overwhelmingly white communities.

kcewa on November 26, 2013 at 4:10 AM

So we’ll just ignore the fact that blacks are overwhelmingly liberal? I know that white guilt and its resulting condescension enables a lot of that bad behavior, but if people feel uncomfortable because of my choice of words in describing what we all agree needs to change? I’d say that sounds like a little of that residual white guilt going on in some so-called “conservative” quarters.

I feel no need to sugarcoat this, and thank God there are blacks out there that feel the same way I do. (Warning: NSFW on account of harsh language and adult content)

gryphon202 on November 26, 2013 at 4:15 AM

In-group favoritism, sometimes known as in-group–out-group bias, in-group bias, or intergroup bias, refers to a pattern of favoring members of one’s in-group over out-group members. This can be expressed in evaluation of others, allocation of resources and many other ways.

Anti-Control on November 26, 2013 at 4:11 AM

And that’s so true of race, religion, or anytime people organize themselves by groups. But yeah. Anytime you’re going to criticize me, please at least you make sure you know who and what exactly you’re criticizing. It will make me far less likely to laugh at and dismiss you out-of-hand.

gryphon202 on November 26, 2013 at 4:18 AM

So how did the Senate oonservatives do advancing conservatism while Republicans held the Senate? Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?
gryphon202 on November 26, 2013 at 3:55 AM

SCF was founded in 2008; the R’s lost the Senate in 2006.

SCF founder Jim DeMint was respectable enough when R’s had majority IIRC.

SCF funds Republicans… against Republicans

Article V + low turnout elections > nullification

blockchords on November 26, 2013 at 4:22 AM

gryphon202 on November 26, 2013 at 4:15 AM

Yes, the white guilt is pathetic and a huge problem. The result of multiculturalism (which actually promotes anything-but-white to a status higher than whites) and political correctness.

It has become acceptable to put down whites for their “whiteness” by calling them uncool, old-fashioned, deserving of retribution, needing to apologize for their ethnicity, etc.

This is a huge problem and it’s rarely discussed honestly in mainstream media.

bluegill on November 26, 2013 at 4:27 AM

Anytime you’re going to criticize me, please at least you make sure you know who and what exactly you’re criticizing. It will make me far less likely to laugh at and dismiss you out-of-hand.

gryphon202 on November 26, 2013 at 4:18 AM

Besides the frustration trolling leftards have caused here at times, I don’t know what could get into someone’s mind to even think to say, “People like you’ve ruined HA!”

That kind of comment is 100% pure dumb – DarkCurrent makes a lot of that type, I’ve noticed! :)

Anti-Control on November 26, 2013 at 4:29 AM

So how did the Senate oonservatives do advancing conservatism while Republicans held the Senate? Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?
gryphon202 on November 26, 2013 at 3:55 AM
SCF was founded in 2008; the R’s lost the Senate in 2006.

SCF founder Jim DeMint was respectable enough when R’s had majority IIRC.

SCF funds Republicans… against Republicans

Article V + low turnout elections > nullification

blockchords on November 26, 2013 at 4:22 AM

I have no problem with Jim DeMint. Or really with the SCF either, except that I don’t believe it’s been effective. Our #1 problem in America is blistering ignorance of the constitution and how far we’ve fallen from its original intent.

You wouldn’t believe the blank stares I get when I ask people who are supposedly on my side, “You’re a conservative. That suggests you’re trying to conserve something. What are you trying to conserve?” If I get an answer at all, it’s something like “family values” or “morals,” the sort of stuff that government has no business meddling in.

We complain about the politicians when they screw us over, and then we send in different politicians thinking that things are going to magically change if the guys in charge are our guys. I am really hoping that we can break out of that kind of thinking, but the responses I get from entrenched Republican voters in venues like this don’t encourage me.

Article V + low turnout elections > nullification

blockchords on November 26, 2013 at 4:22 AM

I don’t necessarily disagree with the above sentiment, but nullification would be a much shorter row to hoe. Whatever an Article V convention produces would have to be ratified by 3/4 of the states, while nullification could happen in whichever states passed an act irrespective of those that refuse to. I’ve never been entirely comfortable with representatives from California and New York getting to decide legislation that affects me here in the midwest, and that about sums up my feelings on an Article V convention, though I would enthusiastically support one if I ever thought it could happen.

gryphon202 on November 26, 2013 at 4:30 AM

Yes, the white guilt is pathetic and a huge problem. The result of multiculturalism (which actually promotes anything-but-white to a status higher than whites) and political correctness.

It has become acceptable to put down whites for their “whiteness” by calling them uncool, old-fashioned, deserving of retribution, needing to apologize for their ethnicity, etc.

This is a huge problem and it’s rarely discussed honestly in mainstream media.

bluegill on November 26, 2013 at 4:27 AM

Forget mainstream media. I don’t see it honestly discussed much at places like HotAir!

gryphon202 on November 26, 2013 at 4:31 AM

Phrases like “Old white person” or “we don’t need more old white guys” are used often and disparagingly all the time in mainstream discussion. Referring to others in this way would never be seen as acceptable. Why don’t more condemn it?

Anyway, yeah, democrats/liberals definitely emphasize racial group identity. They try to pit people who are anything-but-white (described by ridiculous term “people of color”) against whites.

bluegill on November 26, 2013 at 4:32 AM

Phrases like “Old white person” or “we don’t need more old white guys” are used often and disparagingly all the time in mainstream discussion. Referring to others in this way would never be seen as acceptable. Why don’t more condemn it?

Anyway, yeah, democrats/liberals definitely emphasize racial group identity. They try to pit people who are anything-but-white (described by ridiculous term “people of color”) against whites.

bluegill on November 26, 2013 at 4:32 AM

I’m no Morton Downey, Jr. I’m not anywhere near that talented, but more than that, I’m not here for the express purpose of pissing people off. I’m okay with upsetting people if it’s the right people and for the right reasons.

gryphon202 on November 26, 2013 at 4:35 AM

Forget mainstream media. I don’t see it honestly discussed much at places like HotAir!
gryphon202 on November 26, 2013 at 4:31 AM

No kidding. The way Ed ignores it is shameful. I think he is concerned about how he’d be regarded by mainstream media people.

bluegill on November 26, 2013 at 4:36 AM

gryphon202 on November 26, 2013 at 4:35 AM

How would nullification work? Wouldn’t any attempt at it go to the Supreme Court?

kcewa on November 26, 2013 at 4:44 AM

The Music Machine – “Masculine Intuition”

Anti-Control on November 26, 2013 at 4:48 AM

Forget mainstream media. I don’t see it honestly discussed much at places like HotAir!
gryphon202 on November 26, 2013 at 4:31 AM

No kidding. The way Ed ignores it is shameful. I think he is concerned about how he’d be regarded by mainstream media people.

bluegill on November 26, 2013 at 4:36 AM

Since this is an open thread, I hope you’ll indulge a rant.

My biggest beef with modern movement conservatism is, at its core, philsophical. Even the politicians and pundits that mean well don’t feel comfortable with thinking of their opponents as “the enemy.” Well I got news for the feminized pseudoconservatives out there: liberals embrace that kind of thought. No matter how civil you are, no matter how intellectual you are, no matter how far above the ground level you try to elevate the discourse, you will always be the enemy to them.

That’s what I thought was particularly brilliant about the late Andrew Breitbart. As much as he was maligned, and at times even defamed, Breitbart embraced his role as the opposition. We need more of that. The dude had brassies the size of grapefruits, and there was no need to guess where he stood on the issues of the day. Who among us now has that kind of panache?

We should be the enemy of what- and whoever is corrupt and evil. And every time — every single time — we send a new crop of congressweasels to The Hill, it just gets worse. So now what? I absolutely have a clear picture in my mind of what should be done, but who will listen? Who indeed…

gryphon202 on November 26, 2013 at 4:48 AM

How would nullification work? Wouldn’t any attempt at it go to the Supreme Court?

kcewa on November 26, 2013 at 4:44 AM

The Supreme Court is the third branch of federal government. Its judicial review power comes not from the constitution, but from a case it decided itself (Marbury V. Madison). Nullification applies to the Supreme Court as equally as it does the other two branches.

gryphon202 on November 26, 2013 at 4:49 AM

gryphon202 on November 26, 2013 at 4:30 AM

‘Sho. I know what conservatism is, & I understand stand the constitution. Among other things, conservatives desire order, and in our country the constitution is the clear choice.

I think states should do battle w/ the fed gov. I think politics has shifted to the states v the fed gov now & mostly just no one describes it as such. The thoroughness of this shift is pretty new, and I think it’s in the early going. I suppose I don’t know how much a state can oppose the fed gov short of nullification, but we’ll find out. I guess my point is that I support the Union. If we lose the Union then we lose the Constitution. Then what are we conserving?

It’s early in the new game. If statism really does lack merit events will play out & w/ 3/4 of the states may not seem so unrealistic.

I support the Union, but I’m not convinced we’ll keep it.

blockchords on November 26, 2013 at 4:50 AM

Afghanistan’s Karzai Seeks New Security Deal Conditions

“If it works for Iran” or “As long as you’re passing out the money”

kcewa on November 26, 2013 at 4:50 AM

I support the Union, but I’m not convinced we’ll keep it.

blockchords on November 26, 2013 at 4:50 AM

I’m not convinced either, but I am aware that we must tread lightly in how we approach this. With a federal government openly and actively hostile to the constitution, there’s no telling what could happen if FedGov gets desperate to hold on to power.

gryphon202 on November 26, 2013 at 4:52 AM

Afghanistan’s Karzai Seeks New Security Deal Conditions

“If it works for Iran” or “As long as you’re passing out the money”

kcewa on November 26, 2013 at 4:50 AM

Karzai’s a weasel. I figured when he came into power, it would be just a matter of time before he stabbed us in the back. Sometimes I hate being right.

gryphon202 on November 26, 2013 at 4:55 AM

Sometimes I hate being right.

gryphon202 on November 26, 2013 at 4:55 AM

heh

kcewa on November 26, 2013 at 4:58 AM

I figured when he came into power, it would be just a matter of time before he stabbed us in the back.

The bad part is that we put him in power. Or “our” government did anyway.

kcewa on November 26, 2013 at 5:00 AM

The bad part is that we put [Karzai] in power. Or “our” government did anyway.

kcewa on November 26, 2013 at 5:00 AM

I don’t have time to list all the things FedGov did under W that I disagreed with at the time.

gryphon202 on November 26, 2013 at 5:01 AM

gryphon202 on November 26, 2013 at 4:52 AM

We couldn’t know how it’ll play out, but I often think of Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals when he says Gandhi was only in to peace b/c the Brits had all the guns :p

The Cold War has now set itself inside of our country!! :D

:’(

I just wonder how bad it could get b4 all the stuck up “you’ll never convince me” everyday leftists will understand what they support. They’re a bunch of cultists so probably pretty bad!! :D :D

& you’re right that enough “right wingers” don’t really have a clue.

blockchords on November 26, 2013 at 5:06 AM

I just wonder how bad it could get b4 all the stuck up “you’ll never convince me” everyday leftists will understand what they support. They’re a bunch of cultists so probably pretty bad!! :D :D

& you’re right that enough “right wingers” don’t really have a clue.

blockchords on November 26, 2013 at 5:06 AM

There will be a come to Jesus moment. You can count on it. And when it happens, it will be acompanied by a lot of would’ve-could’ve-should’ve.

gryphon202 on November 26, 2013 at 5:09 AM

One of the few consolations I take is that at least China is pretty effed up too!!

*sigh*

blockchords on November 26, 2013 at 5:10 AM

The Supreme Court is the third branch of federal government. Its judicial review power comes not from the constitution, but from a case it decided itself (Marbury V. Madison). Nullification applies to the Supreme Court as equally as it does the other two branches.

gryphon202 on November 26, 2013 at 4:49 AM

One of my fave quotes:

“John Marshall has made his decision; let him enforce it now if he can.”

Not that I agree with Jackson’s action in that particular case…I just like the idea/principle behind the statement! :)

Anti-Control on November 26, 2013 at 5:13 AM

…he could WILL go into the history books as the president whose naivete allowed the Islamic Republic to go nuclear…

the whole administration is niave to think iran won’t continue to build their bond during their 6mth reprieve from obama

IDIOTS!!!!

cmsinaz on November 26, 2013 at 5:44 AM

the whole administration is niave to think iran won’t continue to build their bond during their 6mth reprieve from obama

IDIOTS!!!!

cmsinaz on November 26, 2013 at 5:44 AM

Two salient points here:

1. For all the years Obama spent in a “Christian” church, he seems awfully hostile to the interests of Copic and Persian Christians, doesn’t he?

2. Obama seems awfully selective about which Islamic regimes he props up. Almost as if he favories shiite over sunni.

Jussayin…

gryphon202 on November 26, 2013 at 5:59 AM

gryphon202 on November 26, 2013 at 5:59 AM

good points there g202…

cmsinaz on November 26, 2013 at 6:22 AM

OT: another gun rant with the morning joe crew, talking about lanza

cmsinaz on November 26, 2013 at 6:23 AM

When Obama injects himself into any conversation, he can be described as having sent in the clowns.

Only this clown gets fewer laughs than the one in “It”.

And Obama does not even float.

Sherman1864 on November 26, 2013 at 6:25 AM

When Obama injects himself into any conversation, he can be described as having sent in the clowns.

Only this clown gets fewer laughs than the one in “It”.

And Obama does not even float.

Sherman1864 on November 26, 2013 at 6:25 AM

I like the cut of your jib, sir!

gryphon202 on November 26, 2013 at 6:31 AM

Good Morning, Patriots! And, Troll(s).

If the people cannot trust their government to do the job for which it exists – to protect them and to promote their common welfare – all else is lost.

– Barack Obama

My take: Obama: “Sometimes People Forget I’m Not Running for Office Again.”

kingsjester on November 26, 2013 at 6:47 AM

kingsjester on November 26, 2013 at 6:47 AM

great take KJ
:)

cmsinaz on November 26, 2013 at 6:51 AM

cmsinaz on November 26, 2013 at 6:51 AM

Thank you, ma’am!

kingsjester on November 26, 2013 at 6:57 AM

Lol Tina Brown just said that obama will be remembered for his iran diplomacy more than obamacare

Delusional

cmsinaz on November 26, 2013 at 7:07 AM

cmsinaz on November 26, 2013 at 7:07 AM

Just as Neville Chamberlain is remembered.

kingsjester on November 26, 2013 at 7:09 AM

Lol Tina Brown just said that obama will be remembered for his iran diplomacy more than obamacare

Delusional

cmsinaz on November 26, 2013 at 7:07 AM

I think it’s a toss-up, personally. A disaster is a disaster. And Barack Hussein Soetoro-Obama is disaster personified.

gryphon202 on November 26, 2013 at 7:13 AM

You got me there KJ

His legacy is damaged but the lib historians will shroud with praise and adulation

cmsinaz on November 26, 2013 at 7:13 AM

KJ, Drudge must be listening to you…..top of page is spot on

cmsinaz on November 26, 2013 at 7:39 AM

gryphon202 on November 26, 2013 at 6:31 AM

Thanks for the clip. Pennywise the imaginary clown beats Obama the real clown any old day.

Sherman1864 on November 26, 2013 at 7:45 AM

So the President reveals his true colors at last. I believe God has some interesting plans for this fellow…

zoyclem on November 26, 2013 at 7:46 AM

There are obviously some major social problems among blacks, in particular, (acknowledged by many blacks themselves) in this country, and there is a huge double standard in how race-related stories are reported. I would hope the focus is on those things, and not on dehumanizing ethnicities in racist ways. My goal would be to make race/skin color irrelevant and unimportant, but not at the expense of allowing racially-motivated crimes where whites are victims to be ignored or minimized.

bluegill on November 26, 2013 at 3:54 AM

…you scare the shit out of me…when you make sense!

KOOLAID2 on November 26, 2013 at 7:51 AM

So the President reveals his true colors at last. I believe God has some interesting plans for this fellow…

zoyclem on November 26, 2013 at 7:46 AM

True colors? Some of us called this guy five-and-a-half years ago! We’re not witnessing some sort of grand epiphany here. We’re just watching history in the making as the truth becomes more and more difficult to ignore and toss aside.

gryphon202 on November 26, 2013 at 7:51 AM

bluegill on November 26, 2013 at 3:54 AM

…you scare the shit out of me…when you make sense!

KOOLAID2 on November 26, 2013 at 7:51 AM

What do you think does more to dehumanize blacks? Calling them animals, or when they behave like animals?

gryphon202 on November 26, 2013 at 7:54 AM

My take: Obama: “Sometimes People Forget I’m Not Running for Office Again.”

kingsjester on November 26, 2013 at 6:47 AM

…I’m SO TIRED…of JugEars campaigning!

KOOLAID2 on November 26, 2013 at 8:06 AM

“I’m offended”:

But someone complained to the city about the sign, and now the bar’s owners say they’ve been ordered to take it down.

Said one veteran: “I can understand city ordinances, but it’s been up there for 10 years. I don’t understand why it’s a problem now.”

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/11/26/huntington-beach-bar-fights-to-save-sign-that-salutes-veterans/

davidk on November 26, 2013 at 8:12 AM

gryphon202 on November 26, 2013 at 7:54 AM

…it’s a tie!

KOOLAID2 on November 26, 2013 at 8:14 AM

Japanese own most of Hawaii.

kcewa on November 26, 2013 at 12:29 AM

Ha

csdeven on November 26, 2013 at 9:20 AM

True colors? Some of us called this guy five-and-a-half years ago!
gryphon202 on November 26, 2013 at 7:51 AM

You’re preaching to the choir.

zoyclem on November 26, 2013 at 11:34 AM

For TXUS

Schadenfreude on November 26, 2013 at 12:21 PM

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