China expands their air defense map to include Diaoyu Islands

posted at 2:01 pm on November 24, 2013 by Jazz Shaw

China has made yet another move which is ratcheting up the tension in that part of the world and is catching the attention of the United States Department of Defense. But instead of causing additional conflict with the US, this one is aggravating old problems with their neighbors in Japan. It involves some tiny spots of land in the middle of the ocean which I recently had to go read up on to even begin to grasp what was going on here. The crux of the story is that the Chinese have expanded their “air defense map” to include the disputed Diaoyu Islands in the East China Sea.

Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel said Saturday the United States is “deeply concerned” over China’s move to establish an air defense zone over a string of disputed islands in the East China Sea.

“We view this development as a destabilizing attempt to alter the status quo in the region,” Hagel said in a statement. “This unilateral action increases the risk of misunderstanding and miscalculations.”

The Associated Press reports that the Chinese Defense Ministry issued a map showing the new East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone, which encompasses what the Chinese call the Diaoyu islands.

Calling these islands “disputed” doesn’t really do the situation justice. We can’t even agree on the name of these desolate pieces of rock. The Chinese call them Diaoyu. The Japanese (who also claim them and supposedly bought them through private sale recently) call them the Senkaku Islands. Just to add more spice to the stew, Taiwan also claims ownership and calls them the Tiaoyutai Islands. In English they’re known as the Pinnacle Isles. Heck, the United States even briefly owned them after the surrender of Japan in WW2 and we still use one of them as a bombing range.

The islands are deserted, with three of the eight of them being nothing more than bald lumps of rock sticking out of the ocean. The Japanese have claimed primary rights over them for most of the modern era and they tried operating a fish processing center there in the early part of the last century, but it failed and the place has been deserted for more than 70 years. Really, unless you have an unhealthy fascination with migratory birds or a few starving sheep, one wonders why anyone would even care about them. Except, of course, for the fact that somebody determined that there might be oil offshore of them back in the seventies.

So now China is essentially claiming that the islands are part of their country. Given their view of Taiwan’s status, they don’t factor into it. Japan doesn’t recognize the government of Taiwan, but we do. And of course, Japan claims they own the rocks outright. It’s all a complicated mess which probably would never have come up if it weren’t for the oil or the fact that any time a piece of volcanic ash peeks above the waves for more than five minutes, somebody has to stick a flag on it. But it’s still worth watching since it may continue to raise the temperature of the already problematic relationship between China and Japan, along with the latter’s recent interest in stepping up their military capabilities after seventy years of letting us worry about it.

On an only possibly, tangentially related front, are the Chinese expanding their capabilities in the air for the 21st century? By some amazing coincidence I’m sure, their new weaponized drone looks exactly like one of ours. What are the odds? Check out the video.

Shocking, I know.


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I left myself wide open there, huh? :)

itsnotaboutme on November 24, 2013 at 4:03 PM

Just a bit… ;)

ladyingray on November 24, 2013 at 4:09 PM

Taiwan if free.

itsnotaboutme on November 24, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Since when?

DarkCurrent on November 24, 2013 at 4:11 PM

It’s a great comfort to know that, were the U.S. to default during Emperor Barky I’s reign, and China claimed our territory as a result, the most we could expect from the regime would be similar:

Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel said Saturday the United States is “deeply concerned” over China’s move …

ShainS on November 24, 2013 at 2:12 PM

The Keynesian economists who run our economic policy would love that. A nice conventional war somewhere. Remember they think that WWII finally ended the great depression, and the greatest economic stimulus program is war.

DFCtomm on November 24, 2013 at 4:13 PM

At least it’s peacefully coexisting with Taiwan.

itsnotaboutme on November 24, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Maybe you missed the news. The ROC and PRC both maintain the same territorial claims in the South China Sea.

DarkCurrent on November 24, 2013 at 4:14 PM

DarkCurrent on November 24, 2013 at 2:35 PM

How do you do it? How do you know when there is an article that even mentions China? Do you do an RSS feed to a mobile device and then manually check it every so often, or do you have it automated somehow and then just get an e-mail, and how many other sites are you doing the very same thing? I would say you’re a Chinese sock puppet, but you seem too versed on our culture.

DFCtomm on November 24, 2013 at 4:19 PM

How do you do it? How do you know when there is an article that even mentions China? Do you do an RSS feed to a mobile device and then manually check it every so often, or do you have it automated somehow and then just get an e-mail, and how many other sites are you doing the very same thing? I would say you’re a Chinese sock puppet, but you seem too versed on our culture.

DFCtomm on November 24, 2013 at 4:19 PM

It’s quite sophisticated and secret. I wish I could tell :D

DarkCurrent on November 24, 2013 at 4:24 PM

I would say you’re a Chinese sock puppet, but you seem too versed on our culture.

DFCtomm on November 24, 2013 at 4:19 PM

He likes China. I can understand that. A lot of Americans working in China (esp. those working for American companies and making decent money) love it there. But that’s not a requirement. I know an American guy working there who is barely making enough to live on and he loves it there.

In many ways, China is less of a nanny state than America, which I personally find appealing. Yeah, there are oppressive nanny state policies like the one-child thing. But I’m talking about the ability to open a business in the non-tourist towns without restrictive gov’t regulations, for example. Or even just smoking in a restaurant.

The communist policies don’t affect you that much living there unless you’re a Chinese dissident. And life on the Internet plus entertainment is pretty easy if you have a VPN. Even many Chinese citizens have access to VPNs in order to get around Internet restrictions (it may be illegal, but it’s done, nevertheless).

The Rogue Tomato on November 24, 2013 at 4:31 PM

The Keynesian economists who run our economic policy would love that. A nice conventional war somewhere. Remember they think that WWII finally ended the great depression, and the greatest economic stimulus program is war.

DFCtomm on November 24, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Last I checked, wars destroy. They don’t create…

JohnGalt23 on November 24, 2013 at 4:33 PM

At least (the Philippines is) peacefully coexisting with Taiwan.

itsnotaboutme on November 24, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Maybe you missed the news. The ROC and PRC both maintain the same territorial claims in the South China Sea.

DarkCurrent on November 24, 2013 at 4:14 PM

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
(OK, admittedly not very funny. :) )

1) You named two nations (“ROC and PRC”), but earlier you said they’re one nation.

2) You did not address the threat the Taiwanese face of Chinese invasion, something they obviously do not face from the Philippines.

3) Highlighting South China Sea does not reinforce your point. Does India own everything in the Indian Ocean?

itsnotaboutme on November 24, 2013 at 4:46 PM

It’s quite sophisticated and secret. I wish I could tell :D

DarkCurrent on November 24, 2013 at 4:24 PM

What you are is a pompous piece of shit.

CWchangedhisNicagain on November 24, 2013 at 5:07 PM

But I’m talking about the ability to open a business in the non-tourist towns without restrictive gov’t regulations, for example. Or even just smoking in a restaurant.

Maybe for opening a lawn mower repair shop, but if you try and do anything more complex like maybe a commercial software or medical devices startup, I am sure the Chinese government would take a keen interest in what you were doing, for the greater good.

Intellectual property law is virtually un-enforced in that part of the word, good luck trying to be a real American-style entrepreneur in China and not being a family member of someone in the ruling party.

Neo on November 24, 2013 at 5:08 PM

Neo on November 24, 2013 at 5:08 PM

You might be interested in Fellows(shredders) problems in China.

DFCtomm on November 24, 2013 at 5:15 PM

1) You named two nations (“ROC and PRC”), but earlier you said they’re one nation.

itsnotaboutme on November 24, 2013 at 4:46 PM

I named two governments, controlling parts of one nation.

It’s complicated, but not too difficult to understand.

DarkCurrent on November 24, 2013 at 5:18 PM

What you are is a pompous piece of shit.

CWchangedhisNicagain on November 24, 2013 at 5:07 PM

and you’re a shit-starved akaname

DarkCurrent on November 24, 2013 at 5:22 PM

We start to get complacent when it’s been 75+ years since the last A-Bomb was used in war, but don’t think it couldn’t or won’t happen.

Armageddon.

And you know it’s not the Chinese leaders that are pushing for aggression against Japan (and thus us), it’s the Chinese people. Kind of think of a Tea Party analogy, our Republican leaders don’t push for certain things, but the (conservative) people do.

anotherJoe on November 24, 2013 at 5:23 PM

And you know it’s not the Chinese leaders that are pushing for aggression against Japan (and thus us), it’s the Chinese people.

anotherJoe on November 24, 2013 at 5:23 PM

I guess you suppose this because you spend every day among crowds of Chinese people pushing for the destruction of Japan…

DarkCurrent on November 24, 2013 at 5:28 PM

Japan will have to get nuclear weapons.

It’s inevitable at this point.

Rebar on November 24, 2013 at 5:35 PM

DarkCurrent on November 24, 2013 at 5:28 PM

I base it on news reports from several months back of Chinese crowds going crazy against Japanese properties, like restaurants and factories, even against people owning Japanese cars. Yes, there’s a little bit of extrapolation in suggesting that the leaders aren’t really interested in getting aggressive with Japan. Granted, I could be wrong on the character of the leaders.

anotherJoe on November 24, 2013 at 5:35 PM

Even many Chinese citizens have access to VPNs in order to get around Internet restrictions (it may be illegal, but it’s done, nevertheless).

The Rogue Tomato on November 24, 2013 at 4:31 PM

Not to mention, satellite TV…

ladyingray on November 24, 2013 at 5:36 PM

How do you do it? How do you know when there is an article that even mentions China? Do you do an RSS feed to a mobile device and then manually check it every so often, or do you have it automated somehow and then just get an e-mail, and how many other sites are you doing the very same thing? I would say you’re a Chinese sock puppet, but you seem too versed on our culture.

DFCtomm on November 24, 2013 at 4:19 PM

I believe google alerts can do that. Probably used by many of our professional trolls and mobys.

slickwillie2001 on November 24, 2013 at 5:38 PM

I base it on news reports from several months back of Chinese crowds going crazy against Japanese properties, like restaurants and factories, even against people owning Japanese cars. Yes, there’s a little bit of extrapolation in suggesting that the leaders aren’t really interested in getting aggressive with Japan. Granted, I could be wrong on the character of the leaders.

anotherJoe on November 24, 2013 at 5:35 PM

Did you mean months or years?

DarkCurrent on November 24, 2013 at 5:50 PM

rickyricardo on November 24, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Yes. The Japanese nearly killed as many Chinese as Mao did.

WryTrvllr on November 24, 2013 at 2:45 PM

Not even close. The bloodthirsty Mao murdered forty to sixty million of his own people and set them back decades.

slickwillie2001 on November 24, 2013 at 5:54 PM

Did you mean months or years?

DarkCurrent on November 24, 2013 at 5:50 PM

Like 3 months ago, in an uproar over the Diaoyu islands in question.

anotherJoe on November 24, 2013 at 5:56 PM

Like 3 months ago, in an uproar over the Diaoyu islands in question.

anotherJoe on November 24, 2013 at 5:56 PM

Supposedly massive riots and disruptions. Never saw any though. Did you?

DarkCurrent on November 24, 2013 at 6:01 PM

Like 3 months ago, in an uproar over the Diaoyu islands in question.

anotherJoe on November 24, 2013 at 5:56 PM

Supposedly massive riots and disruptions. Never saw any though. Did you?

DarkCurrent on November 24, 2013 at 6:01 PM

I never saw anything…

ladyingray on November 24, 2013 at 6:21 PM

Supposedly massive riots and disruptions. Never saw any though. Did you?

DarkCurrent on November 24, 2013 at 6:01 PM

Here’s a 2 minute video of Chinese uprisings agaist the Japanese & Japanese properties on Aug 19th of this year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEtOYQ8GNx1s&ChineseRiots

There’s more videos if you need it, and you can also search it yourself on youtube. What point are you trying to make, DarkCurrent?

anotherJoe on November 24, 2013 at 6:23 PM

Here’s a 2 minute video of Chinese uprisings agaist the Japanese & Japanese properties on Aug 19th of this year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEtOYQ8GNx1s&ChineseRiots

There’s more videos if you need it, and you can also search it yourself on youtube. What point are you trying to make, DarkCurrent?

anotherJoe on November 24, 2013 at 6:23 PM

Just that in China most of us never noticed any riots.

Does the YouTube link work for you?

DarkCurrent on November 24, 2013 at 6:43 PM

Ok, looks like a transcription error, updated link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEOYQ8GNx1s

anotherJoe on November 24, 2013 at 6:49 PM

This video is unavailable.

Hmmmmmm…

Cleombrotus on November 24, 2013 at 6:55 PM

ahh, that’s “better”.

Cleombrotus on November 24, 2013 at 6:56 PM

We start to get complacent when it’s been 75+ years since the last A-Bomb was used in war,

anotherJoe on November 24, 2013 at 5:23 PM

68 years, but yes nuclear weapons exist thus their use is possible along with both biological and chemical weapons as well.

Oldnuke on November 24, 2013 at 6:57 PM

Math is hard.

Oldnuke on November 24, 2013 at 6:57 PM

anotherJoe on November 24, 2013 at 7:17 PM

China is hoping Obama is going to go all Iran on them over this.

The Chicoms are chuckling over The Year(s) of the (Weak) Horse.

profitsbeard on November 24, 2013 at 8:05 PM

For any of the Hot Airians out there who’d like to get a better perspective about the PRC, I suggest checking out this YouTube channel, China Uncensored.

The guy that does it has a far-ranging selection of subjects, a wicked sense of humor, and pulls no punches. (The comments from the ChiCom trolls are a hoot too.)

And the best recommendation… I suspect it’s not Dark Current approved.

(I would have loved to have joined this discussion earlier, but I had a lot of busy work to catch up on. I’ll probably put in a few replies to earlier comments later on…)

CPT. Charles on November 24, 2013 at 8:49 PM

If Japan goes into the weapons business again…can new wonder weapons be far behind? Always wanted to see those anime mechs actually designed and built for real world applications..:lol

dec5 on November 24, 2013 at 10:40 PM

I suspect it’s not Dark Current approved.

CPT. Charles on November 24, 2013 at 8:49 PM

My recommendation is that people come see for themselves.

DarkCurrent on November 25, 2013 at 4:10 AM

For any of the Hot Airians out there who’d like to get a better perspective about the PRC, I suggest checking out this YouTube channel, China Uncensored.

The guy that does it has a far-ranging selection of subjects, a wicked sense of humor, and pulls no punches. (The comments from the ChiCom trolls are a hoot too.)

And the best recommendation… I suspect it’s not Dark Current approved.

CPT. Charles on November 24, 2013 at 8:49 PM

Excellent stuff!

Incidentally, the lead video on that page that discussed China’s propaganda included the phrase “dark waters.”

A reference to a certain HotAir China apologist…?

itsnotaboutme on November 25, 2013 at 5:36 AM

Does the YouTube link work for you?
 
DarkCurrent on November 24, 2013 at 6:43 PM

 
Thread winner.

rogerb on November 25, 2013 at 5:49 AM

I still encounter it here in CA and I do say again, it’s getting worse here in CA.
Lourdes on November 24, 2013 at 3:14 PM

Please recall that about 2 or 3 months back, when this whole tussle over the Senkaku’s started ramping up, there were a number of protest marches by Chinese (American and otherwise) in Left Coast cities, many of them carrying signs written in Chinese characters, some in English.

What caught my attention were the ones were themed: “Japs out of the US!” Signs like those are an indicator of (A) non-assimilation, (B) the level of CCP influence amongst ethnic Chinese present in our country, and (C) a potential sign that the percentage of Chinese illegals present in the US is way higher than anybody suspects.

This is an unaddressed issue, IMO, by our ‘betters’ inside The Beltway.

CPT. Charles on November 25, 2013 at 6:10 AM

Tell us about these similar Chinese atrocities
DarkCurrent on November 24, 2013 at 3:43 PM

China’s a bit of an odd duck in that regard; the vast majority of violence in Chinese history has inwardly directed, and sometimes ethnic in nature (e.g. – the Han vs. everybody else… until the Manchus showed up).

If I had to pick a particular act, I’d regard (in the top 3) the Cultural Revolution as one of the worse… not so much in actual numbers (though many Chinese died as a result of it), but it’s ‘greatest’ achievement was the murder of ‘true’ Chinese culture; probably the CCP’s greatest crime against humanity.

CPT. Charles on November 25, 2013 at 6:47 AM

itsnotaboutme on November 25, 2013 at 5:36 AM

Lots of good stuff on that channel… as to your other observation… you be the judge.

CPT. Charles on November 25, 2013 at 6:50 AM

China’s a bit of an odd duck in that regard; the vast majority of violence in Chinese history has inwardly directed, and sometimes ethnic in nature (e.g. – the Han vs. everybody else… until the Manchus showed up).

CPT. Charles on November 25, 2013 at 6:47 AM

The comment I was addressing was this:

I’m thinking. I agree about atrocities committed by the Japanese during WWII *but* China has been engaged in similar atrocities against others for centuries.

Lourdes on November 24, 2013 at 2:48 PM

DarkCurrent on November 25, 2013 at 8:56 AM

Japan doesn’t recognize the government of Taiwan, but we do.

Jazz, you should try to get basic, long-established facts straight when reporting on issues.

“In 1979, the United States changed its diplomatic recognition from Taipei to Beijing. In the U.S.-P.R.C. Joint Communique that announced the change, the United States recognized the Government of the People’s Republic of China as the sole legal government of China and acknowledged the Chinese position that there is but one China and Taiwan is part of China.

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/35855.htm

DarkCurrent on November 25, 2013 at 9:07 AM

“But instead of causing additional conflict with the US, this one is aggravating old problems with their neighbors in Japan.”

If the US wants to steer the conflict back to us, just refer to the area by its other name: the ‘Sea of Japan’.

Tsar of Earth on November 25, 2013 at 9:46 AM

Taiwan if free.

itsnotaboutme on November 24, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Since when?

DarkCurrent on November 24, 2013 at 4:11 PM

Since the Japanese surrender at least. And surely since the Treaty of San Francisco.

KGB on November 25, 2013 at 10:51 AM

Since the Japanese surrender at least. And surely since the Treaty of San Francisco.

KGB on November 25, 2013 at 10:51 AM

Not quite. Taiwan was under KMT dictatorship for decades after.

DarkCurrent on November 25, 2013 at 1:05 PM

If the US wants to steer the conflict back to us, just refer to the area by its other name: the ‘Sea of Japan’.

Tsar of Earth on November 25, 2013 at 9:46 AM

The Sea of Japan is bounded on the south by the Tsushima Straits, a considerable distance from the area in question, which is (for some reason) known as the East China Sea in English.

DarkCurrent on November 25, 2013 at 1:16 PM

DarkCurrent on November 25, 2013 at 1:16 PM

You are correct.

I was confusing with ‘East Sea’. My understanding is that our diplomats refer to it as the ‘East Sea’ when visiting mainland East Asia, and ‘The Sea of Japan’ when in Japan – due to regional sensitivities.

Tsar of Earth on November 25, 2013 at 2:26 PM

Not quite. Taiwan was under KMT dictatorship for decades after.

DarkCurrent on November 25, 2013 at 1:05 PM

Then I suppose you’d agree that China today is also not free?

However, I believe you were trying to make another point when using the word “free”. It had nothing to do with the political system of the ROC, only its sovereignty. In regardst to that matter, it is a de facto and de jure reality that Taiwan is also free.

KGB on November 25, 2013 at 2:47 PM

I was confusing with ‘East Sea’. My understanding is that our diplomats refer to it as the ‘East Sea’ when visiting mainland East Asia, and ‘The Sea of Japan’ when in Japan – due to regional sensitivities.

Tsar of Earth on November 25, 2013 at 2:26 PM

I think the Sea of Japan is called the “East Sea” in Korean.

DarkCurrent on November 25, 2013 at 2:49 PM

Then I suppose you’d agree that China today is also not free?

KGB on November 25, 2013 at 2:47 PM

Of course it’s not. There isn’t a free country on earth.

DarkCurrent on November 25, 2013 at 2:57 PM

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