Dem House candidate dodging her single payer past

posted at 1:01 pm on November 23, 2013 by Jazz Shaw

Every round of mid-term elections brings a host of stories, (more than 400, in fact) many of which we never get to cover. But there’s one shaping up here in Upstate New York which may provide some fun. In the Empire State’s 23rd congressional district, Tom Reed (R-NY) is facing a challenge from Democrat Martha Robertson and she’s quickly being exposed has having a somewhat “colorful” past. (Full disclosure: I have never worked on staff for Congressman Reed, but I did organize a few joint campaign events which he attended in 2010 along with some other candidates and went on a few bus tours. He’s a great guy.)

Ms. Robertson is turning out to be yet another of those political hopefuls who apparently wasn’t aware that we had cameras way back in 2009 and methods of storing the images and sounds they record. As Professor Jacobson reports at Legal Insurrection, Martha was caught on camera just a few years back supporting something different than Obamacare… she was ready to go all in on a national single payer plan.

Robertson also is receiving local media attention for her years-long support for single payer, another story Legal Insurrection broke:

I predicted that Robertson would have trouble with single payers support in the wake of the Obamacare debacle, and sure enough, she’s running away from her past support for single payer.

Sure enough, Jacobson’s prescient hunch came true, as reported in The Buffalo News.

The Democratic candidate who’s challenging Rep. Tom Reed, R-Corning, favored a single-payer health care plan before Congress passed Obamacare, and Reed is making an issue of it.

Days after a YouTube site called “Legal Insurrection” aired a compilation of years-old videos in which Martha Robertson endorsed a health system run entirely by the federal government, Reed on Monday said that’s a stance that should worry voters…

Asked about those comments on Monday, Robertson said she now favors “fixing the Affordable Care Act” rather than replacing it with a single-payer plan.

This should be of interest to conservative observers because Robertson is only one of many Democrats who have had to backpedal from their previous stances on thing like the ongoing Obamacare train wreck. But further, not only is support for Obamacare (and the Democrats who back it) swirling around the bottom of the drain, but backing for any sort of Big Government “solution” to healthcare issues is being dragged down with them.

Here’s the Robertson video from Legal Insurrection, just in case Ms. Robertson is inclined to forget what she said.

Break out the popcorn. NY 23 could be considered a swing district and this race is shaping up to be a good “hold” opportunity for Republicans thanks to the ascendance of Robertson as the Dem’s choice.


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See this is why I just do not understand why any republican in their right minds would do anything but the bare minimum to help “fix” obamacare. Let em own it and dont get your fingerprints all over it because the more prints you have on it, the more the left can tag on you.

watertown on November 23, 2013 at 1:05 PM

To be fair, it should be “Dem House candidates dodging their single payer past.” Dem Senate candidates too. And a bunch of dem incumbents.

Somewhere in D.C. a sinking ship is losing its rat infestation.

Gingotts on November 23, 2013 at 1:05 PM

These people are pathetic.

If it’s such a goddamned great idea..STAND BEHIND IT. Be upfront about it. You know if you get elected you’re going right back to being the liberal whackbag you are…

Liars and thieves.

BigWyo on November 23, 2013 at 1:06 PM

This woman doesn’t come off well on camera.

bluegill on November 23, 2013 at 1:11 PM

“As soon as the federal government makes it rational”. She said rationed health care. From the mouth of drones.

onomo on November 23, 2013 at 1:11 PM

A few props also to the Buffalo News for mentioning the YouTube video on Legal Insurrection in the first place — this far out from the 2014 election, they could simply have limited coverage of Reed highlighting Robertson’s past statements in support of single-payer, in hopes the ObamaCare kerfuffle will die out closer to Election Day (which is what the Albany or downstate papers and TV stations would have done with an election in a swing district).

jon1979 on November 23, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Remember to make it clear to the average person what “single payer” is: a complete govt takeover of healthcare, where it may very well be made illegal to seek out your own private non-governmental health care.

But the thing is that Obamacare is pretty close to being single payer already, because insurance companies are acting as they are in effect govt entities, as they are straitjacketed with regulations that determine everything they do, so they might as well be govt depts, and in addition, they apparently receive a 15% profit on revenue regardless of any circumstance, so if they under perform then the govt gives them additional money so they make 15%, and if they make more, then they give the govt the extra money. That means that the insurance companies have close to zero incentive to innovate or to be efficient. In no way does the reflect any type of private enterprise that we know of. Obamacare is already like single payer, and in time employer insurance as it stands will fold, and we all will be under Obamacare.

anotherJoe on November 23, 2013 at 1:19 PM

watertown on November 23, 2013 at 1:05 PM

Thanks to the new Senate rules, the Republicans will not be able to fix anything. All temptation has been removed.

esr1951 on November 23, 2013 at 1:19 PM

ALL Democratics are for single-payer; they only temper their public positions to keep themselves electable.

slickwillie2001 on November 23, 2013 at 1:20 PM

This woman doesn’t come off well on camera.

bluegill on November 23, 2013 at 1:11 PM

She doesn’t come off well on a case of bourbon either.

CurtZHP on November 23, 2013 at 1:20 PM

ALL Democratics are for single-payer; they only temper their public positions to keep themselves electable.
slickwillie2001 on November 23, 2013 at 1:20 PM

Indeed. It works. We have to find another way to beat them rather than whining that they’re getting away with lying again.

Dems get away with lying. It just is. The electorate doesn’t care. There needs to be another way.

happytobehere on November 23, 2013 at 1:27 PM

She said rationed health care….

onomo on November 23, 2013 at 1:11 PM

On rationing and the IPAB.

The “Independent Payment Advisory Board” was conceived by Zeke Emanuel who has dreamed of radically cutting back care for the elderly. That the Obamacare law states that IPAB should not engage in “rationing” is little more than a false and disingenuous cosmetic meant to get congressional votes for the ACA. The fact is that the IPAB is going to be determining all Medicare and ACA medical payments, this is “rationing” of dollars, and they are going to be determining what types of medical services can be offered under what circumstances. This is rationing! Worst is that these 15 Democrat selected IPAB members are supposed to determine what medical services are allowed to be offered across this country. Insane. This is going to cause lots of the govt caused problems. In the free market there are thousands, millions, of players that sort out in an efficient way what sort of medical services should be provided. The 15 unelected IPAB board members are going to throw a monkey wrench into the efficient and effective provision of the medical services that we want.

anotherJoe on November 23, 2013 at 1:35 PM

Robertson’s campaign slogan: “If you like your Obamacare plan, you can keep your Obamcare plan”.

HiJack on November 23, 2013 at 1:40 PM

Break out the popcorn.

Soon popcorn will be banned in order to keep people’s weight down once the government controls all of health care. Five years ago, that would have been an unthinkable, laughable joke. Today, it is sadly possible.

Theophile on November 23, 2013 at 1:40 PM

Needs to ‘fix’ Obamacare?

Well Obamacare was supposed to ‘fix’ all sorts of things and it isn’t doing that… which means that it is a failure and needs to go.

And as for what was broken in the first place… keep right on repealing all the ‘fixes’ until we can identify a real, honest to goodness problem. And then leave government out of it as the ‘fixes’ appear to be the source of the ‘problems’ that mask any real problems. Which have yet to be identified.

Remember: before the M&Ms people were NOT dying on the streets and we had a healthy and viable charitable system and doctors and hospitals who would adjust their prices and offer the ability to pay over time. That system broke because we ‘fixed’ it.

ajacksonian on November 23, 2013 at 1:42 PM

Reed has an easy lay up question for the first and probably only debate:

“You supported single payer as well as DeathCare for years and years and now you don’t. What changed?

Bishop on November 23, 2013 at 1:44 PM

Pretty much all the Ds want single payer now. Don’t they?

22044 on November 23, 2013 at 1:50 PM

Why hasn’t their been a post about the Politico report on Mitch McConnells comments about the Tea Party……and how they need a punch in the nose?

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/11/22/Exclusive-McConnell-Tea-Party-a-bunch-of-bullies-who-me-and-Karl-Rove-are-going-to-punch-in-the-nose

WE have to clean the gop side of the aisle before we can fix Congress, because the leadership IS NOT GOING TO STOP this Dictator wannabe in the Oval Office.

#defundtheprogressivegop

PappyD61 on November 23, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Obamacare was never intended to ‘fix’ the challenges of the Healthcare industry. It was from the start as an interim step towards single payer. It was also from the start about the expansion of government via the seizure of 1/6th of the national economy and the expansion of wealth redistribution under the framework of government control.

Once that became the ‘new normal’, and the marketplaces implode in the ‘death spiral’, the only ‘logical’ step to ‘fix’ Obamacare will be to take it to single payer….with all of those who wanted single payer will say that the ‘pain’ could have been avoided if we went single payer from the start.

Where this plan hits the ugly side of reality is that big government can’t do anything better than the private sector, that centrally planned and managed economies and marketplace don’t work, and the voter – from LIV to the most engaged – are all feeling real pain.

Athos on November 23, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Remember to make it clear to the average person what “single payer” is: a complete govt takeover of healthcare, where it may very well be made illegal to seek out your own private non-governmental health care.

anotherJoe on November 23, 2013 at 1:19 PM

I start out by talking about free markets and how they work (buyers, sellers, supply & demand, etc.), then I talk about how monopolies subvert free markets by allowing a single seller to dictate price and quality.

Once I’ve got their heads nodding, I drop the shoe by asking “What is the polar opposite of a monopoly?” This is followed by a lot of wrong answers, so I tell them: “Single Payer.” In a monopoly, you have a single seller and in a single-payer system, you have a single buyer.

I then launch into how this subverts the market as well because now the sole buyer can dictate price and it is often too low for sellers to make a profit. This drives sellers out of the market and for those who remain, they offer the good or service rarely because they have to make money elsewhere. In the health care market, these are demonstrated by doctor shortages and long wait times to get care.

Kafir on November 23, 2013 at 2:28 PM

Why hasn’t their been a post about the Politico report on Mitch McConnells comments about the Tea Party……and how they need a punch in the nose?

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/11/22/Exclusive-McConnell-Tea-Party-a-bunch-of-bullies-who-me-and-Karl-Rove-are-going-to-punch-in-the-nose

WE have to clean the gop side of the aisle before we can fix Congress, because the leadership IS NOT GOING TO STOP this Dictator wannabe in the Oval Office.

#defundtheprogressivegop

PappyD61 on November 23, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Time for another donation to Matt Bevin.

Kafir on November 23, 2013 at 2:32 PM

Dem House candidate dodging…

…no hardons!

KOOLAID2 on November 23, 2013 at 2:33 PM

Anyone know if she claims to belong to any native american tribes?

Asked about those comments on Monday, Robertson said she now favors “fixing the Affordable Care Act” rather than replacing it with a single-payer plan.

Like… single payer?? … but okay…

blockchords on November 23, 2013 at 2:40 PM

anotherJoe on November 23, 2013 at 1:35 PM

Yup. Funny how it slips out every once in a while. I liked it when Barry would blurt out that the social security and medicare programs were on a path to total bust when he was stumping for their takeover. It was like every once in a while , maybe when he loses his place on the teleprompter or something. A throw off line, it wound up like a total admission, “When a ponzi scheme runs out of money you either ditch it or expand, and we just can’t get votes from the low info’s by ditching it”.
I think we’re really looking at just that, “Disingenuous” power in practice. Frightening to behold really.
“Uh, uh, uh, if you like your grandfather,… uh well, you might not be able to keep him.”

onomo on November 23, 2013 at 2:46 PM

“What is the polar opposite of a monopoly?” This is followed by a lot of wrong answers, so I tell them: “Single Payer.” In a monopoly, you have a single seller and in a single-payer system, you have a single buyer.

I agree. I think its useful to note that supply and demand are actually flip sides of the same coin (although, less so w/ government intervention).

I then launch into how this subverts the market as well because now the sole buyer can dictate price and it is often too low for sellers to make a profit. This drives sellers out of the market and for those who remain, they offer the good or service rarely because they have to make money elsewhere.

Kafir on November 23, 2013 at 2:28 PM

Yep. And ‘monopolies’ often drive out their competitors the same way, with lower prices. And, often at the benefit of the consumer. Raising prices usually makes their monopoly vulnerable to competition – unless there is government intervention.

Yes, controlling demand and controlling supply can be very similar. It is telling that anyone you ask to define socialism says government ownership of the means of production, if they know to say anything at all. A better standard is control, not ownership of the supply.

Cultism.

blockchords on November 23, 2013 at 2:54 PM

This BS this Idiot did this week about delaying until a week after the election is funny. I’m like Chris Mathews, I was born at night but not last night. There’s not a single American that don’t know what’s going on. I think it is funny. This bitch should call Botox Pelosi and Mayonaise Head Debbie Wasserman Shithead Shultz and ask them what she should do.

tmgrant on November 23, 2013 at 3:27 PM

This woman doesn’t come off well on camera.

bluegill on November 23, 2013 at 1:11 PM

That’s putting things rather mildly.

zoyclem on November 23, 2013 at 3:52 PM

Pass the popcorn but barky is more than likely going to really mess things up for the next three years with his new senate power.

crosshugger on November 23, 2013 at 3:53 PM

Athos on November 23, 2013 at 2:11 PM

I expect that Obamacare is also designed to be used as a tool of political oppression and reward. They will do with Obamacare as they have done with the IRS. The ghoulish Ezekiel Emanuel has admitted as much in his books, regarding the design of death panels based on ‘community value’. Does anyone think that a TEA Party member that needs a kidney will be judged to have any value to the community?

slickwillie2001 on November 23, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Days after a YouTube site called “Legal Insurrection” aired a compilation of years-old videos

Four “years old” for the record. Waaaaaaaaay back when Obama was president.

mankai on November 23, 2013 at 5:09 PM

ALL Democratics are for single-payer; they only temper their public positions to keep themselves electable.

slickwillie2001 on November 23, 2013 at 1:20 PM

True. And all they’ve heard from the LSM for the last 40 years is how great socialized medicine works in Europe.

And Dems will literally say, “I’ll gladly pay 50% of my income in order to have free healthcare.” I’ve heard it myself.

Of course I’m always like, “Whaaaaat?” That makes no sense that you pay through the nose to make something “free”, but in the Libtard mind, it does.

But I will say that I believe that the insurance companies, medical companies and the pharmaceutical companies have long been in collusion and are fixing prices. I’ve heard arguments to the contrary, but I’m just not buying them. Be that as it may, even with socialized medicine, all of these concerns will do just fine…in fact, better, since trillions of dollars will be bounced around in that black monetary hole known as Washington D.C.

It is the average working taxpayer who will be screwed over by this.

Dr. ZhivBlago on November 23, 2013 at 5:48 PM

NY 23 could be considered a swing district and this race is shaping up to be a good “hold” opportunity for Republicans thanks to the ascendance of Robertson as the Dem’s choice.

If ever there was a safe red district in NY, it’s NY 23. I don’t see how that could ever be seen as anything but a “hold” for Republicans. Reed is safe, and yes, Reed is a good guy. (I’m just north of 23, in the cursed Louise Slaughter Land.)

Pope Linus on November 23, 2013 at 6:05 PM

And Mussolini made the trains run on time.

kurtzz3 on November 23, 2013 at 7:30 PM

Because the government runs everything else so well…

RonRon on November 24, 2013 at 3:56 PM