Video: White House refuses to rule out nuking filibuster rules for legislation too

posted at 4:41 pm on November 22, 2013 by Allahpundit

Via Mediaite, which clipped this because of Jon Karl’s cheeky allusion to O dumping Hindenburg pilot Kathleen Sebelius near the end. That’s cute, but I’m more interested in what Josh Earnest (pinch-hitting for Jay Carney) says before that. Karl wants to know whether the White House opposes going full thermonuclear by ending the filibuster for Senate bills too. Remember, yesterday’s rule change supposedly applies only to confirmation votes for executive appointees, like cabinet members and lower-court judges (but not SCOTUS nominees). That gives Obama a free hand to pack federal appellate courts with hard-left liberals, but it leaves the filibuster intact for most other Senate business. How durable is that, though? Are Obama and Reid really committed to the line they’ve drawn or are we headed for a full nuking of what’s left of the filibuster, with 51 votes the new threshold for all Senate bills? Earnest’s reply: Talk to Reid. In other words, no, they’re not committed. All bets are off.

Wonkblog asked an expert on the subject what to expect going forward. Quote:

In a paper I’m writing with Sergio Campos, we lay out five illustrative options for how a majority could work its will. It’s not exhaustive, because there are dozens of ways you could do this. What the Democrats did today was our option four. You bring up something, have a cloture vote, and after you lose say, “It takes a simple majority to win this one.” We’re not the only people who had this idea but we did anticipate this possibility…

The question is whether a majority would stick together on the floor to further restrict obstruction. I would guess that some Democratic senators would not vote the same way on restricting filibusters against legislation. I can imagine, actually, a filibuster against a Supreme Court nominee being broken this way. But I’d note that, in the past, it hasn’t been necessary. Clarence Thomas was confirmed by a 52 to 48 vote, which means Democrats could have filibustered him but chose not to. If there was a similarly controversial nominee in the future, I would guess he or she might also pass with 50 votes.

What do they gain by nuking the rest of the filibuster at this point, though? I can understand doing it for a Supreme Court nominee, since that’s exclusively Senate business, but any legislation important enough to Democrats that they’d consider eliminating the 60-vote threshold to pass it would be killed by the Republican House. They gain nothing from it and lose potentially a lot insofar as they’d be responsible for removing the taboo against simple majorities with the GOP poised to retake the Senate. It’s in Democrats’ interest to keep that taboo in place unless/until they have control of Congress and the White House again. Otherwise, they risk having a Republican elected president in 2016 and no norms or procedures in place to restrain the GOP from ramming its agenda through. “Who cares?” our three lefty readers will say to that. “Republicans will probably nuke the rest of the filibuster themselves if they regain total control of government, regardless of what Democrats do.” Maybe, but the media would make the GOP pay a way steeper price politically for changing the rules than Democrats paid yesterday (namely, nothing) — especially if they were changed to facilitate a momentous vote, like repealing ObamaCare. Democrats should want the taboo against removing the filibuster for legislation in place if only for that reason. If they nuke the rest of it now, the GOP can pass repeal with 51 votes in a few years and say, quite correctly, that they’re only following the rules made by Obama and Harry Reid. Does Earnest not understand that? Or has Democratic arrogance about Hillary’s supposed inevitability reached the point where they can’t imagine the GOP taking over the federal government until 2025 at the earliest?


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“I AM OBAMA IT WILL BE WRITTEN MY WAY”

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 22, 2013 at 4:43 PM

Has ANYONE seen enough of this crap YET?

LeftCoastRight on November 22, 2013 at 4:43 PM

Obama’s song should be “Caught in A Trap”, can not get out.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 22, 2013 at 4:44 PM

“I AM OBAMA AND I WILL LIE”

“TO KNOW ME IS TO KNOW A LIE”

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 22, 2013 at 4:46 PM

Has ANYONE seen enough of this crap YET?

LeftCoastRight on November 22, 2013 at 4:43 PM

We’ve got 3 more years of this disaster.

Key West Reader on November 22, 2013 at 4:48 PM

What Obama and the kook krazy kommies of the undemocrat party leadership is most worried about is defections in the Senate and House as a few sane Democrats wake up to the fact they are 6 foot from the cliffs edge and Obama is not going to be able to save them from the fall.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 22, 2013 at 4:48 PM

Has ANYONE seen enough of this crap YET?

LeftCoastRight on November 22, 2013 at 4:43 PM

Apparently not, because it just keeps happening.

BallisticBob on November 22, 2013 at 4:48 PM

USA is now “Hotel California”…

ladyingray on November 22, 2013 at 4:49 PM

I appreciate the cut of the progressive jib. Come hell or high water they will have their agenda passed.

Republicans play a gentleman’s game so they spin their wheels.

Can’t blame the progs for Republican nicities.

rickyricardo on November 22, 2013 at 4:50 PM

I did name him Idi Hissein didn’t I ?
:O

burrata on November 22, 2013 at 4:50 PM

All hail Caesar! Long live the empire.

DFCtomm on November 22, 2013 at 4:50 PM

Simply a threat – albeit a silent one — to intimidate and strut their bravado.

I’ve been pleasantly surprised that much of the MSM has been more negative to the RATS antics than I would have thought.

matthew8787 on November 22, 2013 at 4:51 PM

I knew this was gonna happen even asked on a prior thread if this would be possible, I guess so, Oh Woe Is Me…

Scrumpy on November 22, 2013 at 4:52 PM

No one is more surprised than John McCain probably.

MTF on November 22, 2013 at 4:52 PM

Does anyone honestly believe those pieces of filth wouldn’t find a way to side step the House? He rules through fiat now!!! The preezy just makes changes through his shadow agencies and issues EOs for whatever changes he wants made. Now they take a rule that is meant to allow the minority a say in what goes on in the senate and just shit on it for their political expediency and you are sitting there asking if they give a rat’s ass about what the public thinks about them going Chernobyl on the remainder? Good Lord you are dense.

JAGonzo on November 22, 2013 at 4:53 PM

RICO.

Mimzey on November 22, 2013 at 4:53 PM

…Simply a threat – albeit a silent one — to intimidate and strut their bravado.

matthew8787 on November 22, 2013 at 4:51 PM

I truly and sincerely do hope so…

Oh wow………………………………………

Scrumpy on November 22, 2013 at 4:54 PM

White House refuses to rule out nuking filibuster rules for legislation too

So now the white house sets the rules for the senate?

Because…Founders!

Solaratov on November 22, 2013 at 4:54 PM

Fascists.

rplat on November 22, 2013 at 4:55 PM

…Good Lord you are dense.

JAGonzo on November 22, 2013 at 4:53 PM

Care to retract that?

Scrumpy on November 22, 2013 at 4:55 PM

We’ve taken another large step towards the anticipated suspension of the Constitution and imposition of a hard tyranny….for the children, of course.

BobMbx on November 22, 2013 at 4:56 PM

OK dems do you really, really want to go there???

Come 2017 – we will undo all your crap and more….

The house needs to defund the Federal Court.

redguy on November 22, 2013 at 4:57 PM

It’s becoming a clear binary choice.

CrazyGene on November 22, 2013 at 4:58 PM

All hail Caesar! Obummer – Long live the empire welfare state.

DFCtomm on November 22, 2013 at 4:50 PM

redguy on November 22, 2013 at 4:58 PM

Does anybody else smell amnesty? If the American people are too stupid to see what Congress is doing for them, then Congress will elect a new, more appreciative, people.

DFCtomm on November 22, 2013 at 4:58 PM

Solaratov on November 22, 2013 at 4:54 PM

The unthinkable and the impossible is now possible and thought of…

I put nothing past Oboobma and his minions to do as they wish.

Just waiting for the *Fat Lady to sing…

(*no disparagement meant)

Scrumpy on November 22, 2013 at 4:59 PM

Scrumpy on November 22, 2013 at 4:55 PM

Why?

JAGonzo on November 22, 2013 at 4:59 PM

If they nuke the rest of it now, the GOP can pass repeal with 51 votes in a few years and say, quite correctly, that they’re only following the rules made by Obama and Harry Reid. Does Earnest not understand that? Or has Democratic arrogance about Hillary’s supposed inevitability reached the point where they can’t imagine the GOP taking over the federal government until 2025 at the earliest?

Correct me if I’m wrong, but since the Dems passed Obamacare via reconciliation, doesn’t the thing have to be re-newed it in 2020 anyways just like they had to do the Bush Tax Cuts?

Spliff Menendez on November 22, 2013 at 4:59 PM

What do they gain by nuking the rest of the filibuster at this point, though?

Seriously?

I’ll tell you: AMNESTY

And it saves them from the Obamacare debacle by making millions of new Democrat voters instantly.

Midas on November 22, 2013 at 5:00 PM

Sound the Alarm:
(sarc)

***************** Battle Stations – Navy Submarine ****************!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-25LKJOyhw4

canopfor on November 22, 2013 at 5:00 PM

Does anybody else smell amnesty? If the American people are too stupid to see what Congress is doing for them, then Congress will elect a new, more appreciative, people.

DFCtomm on November 22, 2013 at 4:58 PM

Roll it all back in 2017…..every last bit of what Obama has done.

Blow it all up……

Social Security, Welfare, Public Schools, EPA, all of it……..

Pass laws to let states secede.

You see where I am going…..

Let all libs starve and die…..

redguy on November 22, 2013 at 5:00 PM

What do they gain by nuking the rest of the filibuster at this point, though? I can understand doing it for a Supreme Court nominee, since that’s exclusively Senate business, but any legislation important enough to Democrats that they’d consider eliminating the 60-vote threshold to pass it would be killed by the Republican House.

That’s the only reason I don’t think they’ll go through with it. Why even bother when the House is under GOP control? If somehow the Dems held onto the Senate and retook the House next year, THEN I could see them going full nu-cu-lar. But since that’s an even bigger pipe dream now than it was earlier this year, I imagine the Dems will “settle” for being able to stack the courts with Marxist judges.

Doughboy on November 22, 2013 at 5:01 PM

Hmmmm,…I guess the DemoRatTards are….”Jumping the Shark”!!

canopfor on November 22, 2013 at 5:01 PM

Does anybody else smell amnesty?…..
DFCtomm on November 22, 2013 at 4:58 PM

When the Call goes out and the Trumpets sound and the Drums are beat, then I will believe it…

Scrumpy on November 22, 2013 at 5:01 PM

Is it in the constitution that the federal judges are appointed for life?? I don’t know. It seems if your going to appoint them without a filibuster maybe the rules for removal should change. I’m mean if you’re going to go crazy, why go half way??

rik on November 22, 2013 at 5:02 PM

My wife voted for O in ’08. Not in ’12.

Quite often she’ll wake up in the morning and ask me, in quiet despair, how much longer we have to go ’til he’s gone. Every time I answer her, she just sighs and closes her eyes for a moment of prayer.

Major case of buyer’s remorse. I try to be gentle with her….

nukemhill on November 22, 2013 at 5:02 PM

What I would not give to know what Ted Cruz is thinking right now.

redguy on November 22, 2013 at 5:02 PM

Seriously?

I’ll tell you: AMNESTY

And it saves them from the Obamacare debacle by making millions of new Democrat voters instantly.

Midas on November 22, 2013 at 5:00 PM

Seriously?

Because the House can filibuster? The Senate already passed the crap sandwich.

Spliff Menendez on November 22, 2013 at 5:03 PM

If they nuke the rest of it now, the GOP can pass repeal with 51 votes in a few years and say, quite correctly, that they’re only following the rules made by Obama and Harry Reid. Does Earnest not understand that? Or has Democratic arrogance about Hillary’s supposed inevitability reached the point where they can’t imagine the GOP taking over the federal government until 2025 at the earliest?

I believe someone already posted earlier that McConnell has already promised *not* to do this, but rather to revert the rules to the way they were before Reid pressed the nuke button.

And I think people are going to very surprised at what happens before the next election – do *not* bank on the GOP winning. Don’t.

Midas on November 22, 2013 at 5:03 PM

Why?

JAGonzo on November 22, 2013 at 4:59 PM

It was used in general terms and not at any one person, I would like you to retract it, thank you!!

Scrumpy on November 22, 2013 at 5:03 PM

Ditch her. I mean, why take a chance??

rik on November 22, 2013 at 5:03 PM

Not to worry. All nuking will be limited to the Senate chamber only. The House will remain intact.

HiJack on November 22, 2013 at 5:04 PM

Is it in the constitution that the federal judges are appointed for life?? I don’t know. It seems if your going to appoint them without a filibuster maybe the rules for removal should change. I’m mean if you’re going to go crazy, why go half way??

rik on November 22, 2013 at 5:02 PM

Once we get everything back in 2017 we can dissolve those courts and shut them down.

Kill all the regulation they passed along with the EPA, Energy Dept, IRS, etc etc……

redguy on November 22, 2013 at 5:04 PM

Seriously?

Because the House can filibuster? The Senate already passed the crap sandwich.

Spliff Menendez on November 22, 2013 at 5:03 PM

Seriously?

Because the House is doing such a grand job of stopping crap sandwiches being served up, aren’t they?

Because Boehner’s already saying amnesty *will* be passed.

Pay attention.

Midas on November 22, 2013 at 5:04 PM

Democrats new musical theme:

Kraftwerk – Radioactivity
********* *************

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhBG1ilB3ao

canopfor on November 22, 2013 at 5:05 PM

What do they gain by nuking the rest of the filibuster at this point, though?

Seriously?

I’ll tell you: AMNESTY

And it saves them from the Obamacare debacle by making millions of new Democrat voters instantly.

Midas on November 22, 2013 at 5:00 PM

I love how AP is in a continual state of disbelief.

DFCtomm on November 22, 2013 at 5:05 PM

Not to worry. All nuking will be limited to the Senate chamber only. The House will remain intact.

HiJack on November 22, 2013 at 5:04 PM

Was that supposed to be reassuring? Or dripping with sarcasm?

Midas on November 22, 2013 at 5:06 PM

I appreciate the cut of the progressive jib. Come hell or high water they will have their agenda passed.

Republicans play a gentleman’s game so they spin their wheels.

Can’t blame the progs for Republican nicities.

rickyricardo on November 22, 2013 at 4:50 PM

You think Roberts Rules is the reason Mitch McConnell spends so much time bouncing up and down in Harry Reid’s lap? Playing pretty with the unprincipled is disgusting at best and really an accessory to tyranny at this point.
They will knock when they come for your 2nd Amendment rights. They will never knock again. Your next attempt at practicing your 1st Amendment right may mean you die on your knees. This is not a new scenario.

onomo on November 22, 2013 at 5:06 PM

“Who cares?” our three lefty readers will say to that.

LOL! Made me laugh! Thanks, Allahpundit. :)

thatsafactjack on November 22, 2013 at 5:07 PM

If they do this then there is no point for having a Senate. Anything they do should be deemed illegitimate and ignored.

jawkneemusic on November 22, 2013 at 5:08 PM

C. S. Lewis also died 50 years ago today: http://www.evolutionnews.org/2013/11/darwin_in_the_d_3079431.html

davidk on November 22, 2013 at 5:08 PM

Question: If Obama decided, for instance, that he was going to cancel next years elections, what could legally be done? The obvious answer is impeachment, but with Reid and co holding the Senate, that’s not going to fly. Does anyone think he’d listen to the Supreme Court?

Would there be any legal recourse if they decided to just go whole hog? Or would we have to resort to the Second Amendment?

Vanceone on November 22, 2013 at 5:08 PM

…And I think people are going to very surprised at what happens before the next election – do *not* bank on the GOP winning. Don’t.

Midas on November 22, 2013 at 5:03 PM

Sadly, Midas, I agree with you. After the 2012 election, I will never underestimate the stupidity of the American electorate ever again.

NavyMustang on November 22, 2013 at 5:08 PM

Seriously?

Because the House is doing such a grand job of stopping crap sandwiches being served up, aren’t they?

Because Boehner’s already saying amnesty *will* be passed.

Pay attention.

Midas on November 22, 2013 at 5:04 PM

I am. And if you think this is about amnesty and not packing the Appellate courts to ensure the destruction of America through judicial fiat then you haven’t been paying attention.

Spliff Menendez on November 22, 2013 at 5:09 PM

Not to worry. All nuking will be limited to the Senate chamber only. The House will remain intact.

HiJack on November 22, 2013 at 5:04 PM

Was that supposed to be reassuring? Or dripping with sarcasm?

Midas on November 22, 2013 at 5:06 PM

/

HiJack on November 22, 2013 at 5:09 PM

What I would not give to know what Ted Cruz is thinking right now.

redguy on November 22, 2013 at 5:02 PM

keeping his powder dry and his hand close to his vest, that’s what…

gracie on November 22, 2013 at 5:09 PM

I am. And if you think this is about amnesty and not packing the Appellate courts to ensure the destruction of America through judicial fiat then you haven’t been paying attention.

Spliff Menendez on November 22, 2013 at 5:09 PM

Why does it need to be either or, and besides they’ve already taken care of nominations. This implies they have even bigger plans.

DFCtomm on November 22, 2013 at 5:12 PM

OK dems do you really, really want to go there???

Come 2017 – we will undo all your crap and more….

redguy on November 22, 2013 at 4:57 PM

I respect your undying optimism, but I think it’s wholly misplaced.

A – the Democrats are simply not going to let that happen. If you think they will let Obamacare impact them in a way that they lose power, you’re not thinking all the way through it yet. Look at what they are doing, by decree, every day – much can happen in the next year – and will. Obamacare will not be allowed to be the nuclear explosion people are thinking it will have to be – be it through more taxpayer funded subsidies, delays, whatever – there will be relatively *no* pain associated with it come election time, one way or another. Hint: what did they do to the unemployment numbers before the last election – we knew they were bogus, and are finding out now that they were, but it worked. Add in IRS intimidation, FEC intimidation, etc. They *will* do whatever they have to do, please understand that.

B – the GOP are simply incapable of winning at this point. They are determined to destroy their only actual strength – and will spend the rest of their existence doing exactly that. If you thought conservatives stayed home in 2008 and 2012, you haven’t seen anything like what’s coming if Boehner, McConnell, McCain. Graham and Rove continue to have their way.

C – not only will GOP turnout drop by double digit percentiles, they’re doing their damndest to help the Dems add millions of new reliable teat-sucking voters, which takes us back up to letter ‘A’.

Midas on November 22, 2013 at 5:16 PM

After the nuclear option, Senate Republicans should simply refuse “unanimous consent” for any and all Senate business. Nothing will pass. Everything will stop.

Emperor Norton on November 22, 2013 at 5:17 PM

That’s cute, but I’m more interested in what Josh Earnest (pinch-hitting for Jay Carney) says before that. Karl wants to know whether the White House opposes going full thermonuclear by ending the filibuster for Senate bills too.

If Josh Earnest is pinch-hitting for Jay Carney, he’s not earnest, but joshing us.

Steve Z on November 22, 2013 at 5:17 PM

Either way, this is a move in the direction of complete tyranny. Obama and Reid are using opposition as an excuse to exert complete rule. This, they ARE doing peicemeal. No comprehensive take over of the federal government.

JAGonzo on November 22, 2013 at 5:18 PM

Honestly you’ve got to admire them, at least when you compare them to our politicians. They don’t just pay lip service to their ideology, they put their money where their mouth is. We, on the other hand, get Lindsy Graham, and John McCain.

DFCtomm on November 22, 2013 at 5:18 PM

Does Earnest not understand that? Or has Democratic arrogance about Hillary’s supposed inevitability reached the point where they can’t imagine the GOP taking over the federal government until 2025 at the earliest?

I think this administration is floundering. I believe there is a general unwillingness to commit to anything, or rule anything out, since the administration has no idea how to fix what has already gone wrong publicly. This administration is just making it up and shattering any law they find inconvenient as they go along.

The president is a known liar. He lied to get what he wanted, and he did it when it wasn’t necessary for him to lie. He had a majority in both chambers. This doesn’t inspire confidence in the nation, but it also undermines confidence in those whose jobs and livelihood depend on the word of this administration.

Those under the president are living in fear for their jobs, their reputations, and their credibility. They’ve been caught being incompetent, unfit for the positions they hold, lying, and worse, they know that this administration, particularly this president and his advisers, likes to blame others and find scapegoats for its own failings.

thatsafactjack on November 22, 2013 at 5:20 PM

I am. And if you think this is about amnesty and not packing the Appellate courts to ensure the destruction of America through judicial fiat then you haven’t been paying attention.

Spliff Menendez on November 22, 2013 at 5:09 PM

You’re not paying attention.

As DFCtomm already said, they’ve already taken care of packing the court with yesterday’s action. Further ‘nukes’ would have *nothing* to do with that, get it? Further ‘nukes’ regarding *legislation* (that IS the topic here, if you were paying attention) would have *nothing* to do with that, get it?

What *LEGISLATION* could possibly be brewing right now that would be highly contentious, likely to be filibustered, etc. Hmmm, let’s think now, maybe the WH, the Senate, *and* the House have all already been giving us hints… you know, if we’ve been paying attention, we probably know what it might be…

Midas on November 22, 2013 at 5:21 PM

If this kind of crap doesn’t get the true-cons, neo-cons, lib-cons, teabag-cons and rino-cons to unite and elect whoever the republican party runs for the senate next year, nothing will.

Just think, 51 votes to repeal Obamacare and every other policy passed by the dem senate.

BacaDog on November 22, 2013 at 5:22 PM

I believe someone already posted earlier that McConnell has already promised *not* to do this, but rather to revert the rules to the way they were before Reid pressed the nuke button.

Midas on November 22, 2013 at 5:03 PM

McConnell….yeah..he’s on the side of “We the People”.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/11/22/Exclusive-McConnell-Tea-Party-a-bunch-of-bullies-who-me-and-Karl-Rove-are-going-to-punch-in-the-nose

Mimzey on November 22, 2013 at 5:23 PM

Midas on November 22, 2013 at 5:16 PM

Exactly. Boehner has already said immigration is still on the table. Reid is setting the senate up for running over any wavering red state dems. All Boehner has to do is get his simple majority w/ the aid of dems, Reid can rewrite the rules in his chamber and voila, we have amnesty.

For the people who don’t think the Dems are capable/considering this. They took over 1/6 of the U.S. economy using a technicality that wasn’t even applicable!

JAGonzo on November 22, 2013 at 5:24 PM

This country’s in deep, deep trouble… (as if others here didn’t know that already). Gubmint takeovers and payoffs, filibuster nukes, packing the courts, and GOP’s unwillingness/inability to push back… It’s getting worse so fast that I’m not sure we’re gonna be able to recover after 2016.

petefrt on November 22, 2013 at 5:24 PM

I just got a demorat party flyer in the mail telling me that there are good jobs in the east, all I need to do is report to the nearest DOJ office. The best part: free rail transportation is provided.

Bishop on November 22, 2013 at 5:24 PM

Either way, this is a move in the direction of complete tyranny. Obama and Reid are using opposition as an excuse to exert complete rule. This, they ARE doing peicemeal. No comprehensive take over of the federal government.

JAGonzo on November 22, 2013 at 5:18 PM

I respectfully suggest that this is incorrect, and we should stop thinking that way.

These are not moves made by a government leaning or moving *towards* tyranny – they are made by a government that already considers itself to be there.

Midas on November 22, 2013 at 5:25 PM

The system is eating my comments.

Emperor Norton on November 22, 2013 at 5:26 PM

Harry might simply know that they won’t lose the Senate. Extensive fraud has been committed for how many elections now without consequences? We live in Zimbabwe.

JAM on November 22, 2013 at 5:26 PM

Hmmmm,…I guess the DemoRatTards are….”Jumping the Shark”!!

canopfor on November 22, 2013 at 5:01 PM

No they are “Eating the Shark”…….

redguy on November 22, 2013 at 5:27 PM

Or has Democratic arrogance about Hillary’s supposed inevitability reached the point where they can’t imagine the GOP taking over the federal government until 2025 at the earliest?

I wouldn’t put the arrogance past them. They’re too damned stupid to remember how “inevitable” Hillary! was in 2008.

GarandFan on November 22, 2013 at 5:27 PM

I am shocked, SHOCKED that people still sit around amazed at the depths this administration continues to sink. Not only are they amazed, but they insist that the administration would NEVER dare to go any further than they already have.

JAGonzo on November 22, 2013 at 5:28 PM

I was never one for the parliamentary procedures of the Senate, but here is something I don’t see anyone asking. What if these rules are meant to be completely temporary? You remove the filibuster and ram through whatever you feel like. The elections come around and the Democrats lose the Senate. The lame duck session meets and restores the filibuster rules to what they were a week ago; no harm no foul? If they did that, then they would be hailed as heroes by the press for preserving the rights of the minority. If the GOP tried to change them back, the press would scream the tyranny of the majority 24×7. Or am I just being cynical?

txaggie on November 22, 2013 at 5:28 PM

If this kind of crap doesn’t get the true-cons, neo-cons, lib-cons, teabag-cons and rino-cons to unite and elect whoever the republican party runs for the senate next year, nothing will.

Just think, 51 votes to repeal Obamacare and every other policy passed by the dem senate.

BacaDog on November 22, 2013 at 5:22 PM

You say that as if you think the GOP, with 51 votes, consisting of “whoever the republican party runs” (hint: more shit-eating McConnell/McCain/Graham/Boehner’s) would actually *do* anything about repealing/undoing this stuff.

Who knows, maybe they will. All evidence to the contrary, of course.

Midas on November 22, 2013 at 5:29 PM

I am shocked, SHOCKED that people still sit around amazed at the depths this administration continues to sink. Not only are they amazed, but they insist that the administration would NEVER dare to go any further than they already have.

JAGonzo on November 22, 2013 at 5:28 PM

Normalcy bias is strong. Now we know how things like WWII didn’t get smashed before they got started.

DFCtomm on November 22, 2013 at 5:29 PM

Oh, this story should just about push us over the edge, oh wait…

http://www.kxii.com/news/headlines/Gainesville-family-fights-for-childrens-lives-after-insurance-cancelled-232923131.html

MontanaMmmm on November 22, 2013 at 5:30 PM

I just got a demorat party flyer in the mail telling me that there are good jobs in the east, all I need to do is report to the nearest DOJ office. The best part: free rail transportation is provided.

Bishop on November 22, 2013 at 5:24 PM

Will there be a in-car movie, and snacks?

Midas on November 22, 2013 at 5:30 PM

Midas on November 22, 2013 at 5:25 PM

True. I would add this, the administration considers themselves there but they will not openly admit this to populace. Not yet.

JAGonzo on November 22, 2013 at 5:31 PM

C – not only will GOP turnout drop by double digit percentiles, they’re doing their damndest to help the Dems add millions of new reliable teat-sucking voters, which takes us back up to letter ‘A’.

Midas on November 22, 2013 at 5:16 PM

Oh I understand, it probably won’t be our generation or even the next – but tyranny does not last.
Perhaps my grandson will be a new founding father to cleanse the land that was America.

redguy on November 22, 2013 at 5:31 PM

I am shocked, SHOCKED that people still sit around amazed at the depths this administration continues to sink. Not only are they amazed, but they insist that the administration would NEVER dare to go any further than they already have.

JAGonzo on November 22, 2013 at 5:28 PM

Actually you should be shocked that most Americans don’t know what the hell is going on – and if you told them – they would not care!!!

I rant and rave to my wife everyday about this….. She thinks I am nuts…I finally told her she is a lost cause. If I cannot even get the person I am with 24/7 to understand – all is lost.
I guess she will get when the rail car doors are locked behind us.

redguy on November 22, 2013 at 5:35 PM

DFCtomm on November 22, 2013 at 5:29 PM

I would have thought more people on this site would see what is going on.

JAGonzo on November 22, 2013 at 5:35 PM

The Dems nuked the filibuster for appointments because they expect to have the White House, but lose the Senate, so they want to clear the path for nominations before 2014.

The Dems will not nuke the filibuster for legislation because they do not have the House and will likely lose the Senate in 2014.

Bart DePalma on November 22, 2013 at 5:47 PM

Maybe I’m missing something, but since when does the President control the rules and customs of the Senate? Especially one who’s taking a nose dive in the polls?

Maybe that’s why Reid moved now. As we approach November 2014, fewer and fewer Democratics will care what Obama or Reid think.

NCC on November 22, 2013 at 5:54 PM

One puts enough crap and rancid offal in a closed pot too long that rotting fermentation process will explode & spew its bad stinky-ness every where.
It is coming soon from the house of Barry…

albill on November 22, 2013 at 5:59 PM

Hillary’s supposed inevitability

Of course! They want to control the health care marketplace, for sure, but what they really want is the data and the access to millions of potential voters. The one true thing from O’Keefe’s latest videos is that OFA and the ACA navigators are the same people.

PattyJ on November 22, 2013 at 6:02 PM

We are not becoming a nation under fascism. We are a nation under fascism. How low can they go?

Dhuka on November 22, 2013 at 6:10 PM

Obama’s song should be “Caught in A Trap”, can not get out.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 22, 2013 at 4:44 PM

Are you referring to the Elvis classic “Suspicious Minds”?

cableguy615 on November 22, 2013 at 6:49 PM

I could be wrong but the last I heard the senate was within a branch separate from the administration. On the other hand, perhaps Obama has also changed that by decree . . . you just never know what the little dictator will do net.

rplat on November 22, 2013 at 7:23 PM

The Mafia has more decency.

Schadenfreude on November 22, 2013 at 7:31 PM

What do they gain by nuking the rest of the filibuster at this point, though? I can understand doing it for a Supreme Court nominee, since that’s exclusively Senate business, but any legislation important enough to Democrats that they’d consider eliminating the 60-vote threshold to pass it would be killed by the Republican House. They gain nothing from it and lose potentially a lot insofar as they’d be responsible for removing the taboo against simple majorities with the GOP poised to retake the Senate. It’s in Democrats’ interest to keep that taboo in place unless/until they have control of Congress and the White House again. Otherwise, they risk having a Republican elected president in 2016 and no norms or procedures in place to restrain the GOP from ramming its agenda through.

I would agree with this analysis. Long-term, this is a bad idea for the Democrats.

I just don’t think the Democrats care about the long-term consequences. A short-term power-grab that cements whatever they pass is good enough for them.

After all, once you pack the courts with the judges you want, they’re in for life.

Executive appointees may only last to the next president, but the people they hire and the policies they put in place tend to last a lot longer.

There Goes the Neighborhood on November 22, 2013 at 7:48 PM

If they nuke the rest of it now, the GOP can pass repeal with 51 votes in a few years and say, quite correctly, that they’re only following the rules made by Obama and Harry Reid. Does Earnest not understand that?

Can’t it be repealed that way anyways? The final passage was done with fewer than 60 votes because it was a “budget” or “economic” bill. The repeal should also be able to be done under the same rules.

Theophile on November 22, 2013 at 10:46 PM

Anyone else smell amnesty as a candidate for a nuke vote and maybe tax hikes(for the children, of course) out the wazoo up next? What about gimme all your 401K money. I’ll keep it safe for you in a lock box. If a country being governed by rules of law which can then be changed on political whim, it is done as a country.

Kissmygrits on November 23, 2013 at 9:48 AM

Maybe O’Reilly should write a new book called Killing America.

Kissmygrits on November 23, 2013 at 9:52 AM

Cue the GOP obstructionists. Mitch, you listening?

Bmore on November 23, 2013 at 2:23 PM

If the republicans eve get control of the government again, and I know that is a big if, could they change the rules on how long judges serve and redo the courts?

birdwatcher on November 23, 2013 at 2:38 PM

If the rats lose the senate in 14, they’ll change the rules back b4 the GOP assumes the majority, and then raise Hell w the msm if the GOP retaliates

matthew8787 on November 23, 2013 at 3:37 PM

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