United Nations still pushing prosperous countries to pay more for climate change

posted at 1:21 pm on November 22, 2013 by Erika Johnsen

Perhaps there were sincerely high hopes that the nineteenth annual two-week conference would finally be the charm, but the United Nations climate-change meeting in Warsaw is drawing to a close and a consensus on formulating the latest rendition of a [basically meaningless] Global Climate Treaty doesn’t seem any more resolved than it was after 132 developing countries staged a walkout on Wednesday. The more prosperous countries are oddly disinclined to acquiesce to the virtual shakedown to which less developed countries are trying to persuade them to comply by funneling cash out of their own countries and into the treasuries of the less developed countries with a new “loss and damage” mechanism, and the ceremonial downplaying of expectations has already begun, via the NYT:

The United Nations climate conference ambled toward a conclusion on Friday, with delegates saying that the meeting would produce no more than a modest set of measures toward a new international agreement two years from now. As usual, the biggest dispute was over money.

The talks, the 19th annual meeting of parties to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change, opened nearly two weeks ago in the shadow of a devastating typhoon in the Philippines. …

With the clock winding down and the talks likely to extend into Friday night, the so-called loss-and-damage proposal remained alive. But the wealthy countries that would presumably provide financing for the plan were offering a weaker alternative that would wrap it into an existing area of the climate treaty. …

Surveying the state of negotiations on Thursday, Christiana Figueres, the executive secretary of the United Nations climate body, sought to play down expectations about the outcome, saying the Warsaw talks should be seen as a “steppingstone” toward reaching a successor agreement to the Kyoto Protocol at a climate summit meeting in Paris, scheduled for December 2015.

That’s not to say that developing countries didn’t manage to garner some pretty hefty concessions in the form of foreign aid, though, as Bloomberg reports:

Industrial nations have so far held back from detailing how they will fulfil a four-year-old pledge to boost climate-related aid to $100 billion by 2020. About $10 billion a year flowed in the past three years. Nations such as the Philippines, India and Brazil say they need predictability for their budgets. Developed nations put forward $100 million of new pledges to fill a fund that helps poorer nations adapt to climate change. …

Individual nations have made some commitments. Japan said it will provide $16 billion in the next three years, an announcement that was eclipsed by the Asian nation’s decision to shelve plans for cutting emissions from 1990 levels by 2020.

Norway said it will pay out at least $500 million a year through 2020, and it joined with the U.K. and U.S. in a $280 million promise to a forest-protection program. Germany said it will put $40 million to help build the capacity of the Green Climate Fund, an organization established by the UN that’s yet to receive capitalization.

Not that anything would ever be enough to satisfy the august bureaucrats of the United Nations and their globalist, redistributive wishes, never mind that richer countries themselves are up to their eyeballs in debt, deficits, and green-energy failures — but hey, I’m sure the next conference will produce something more lasting, meaningful, and effective. Next time.


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The first general secretary of the UN, at its founding meetings in San Francisco, was Alger Hiss.

That’s all you need to know about the UN.

Akzed on November 22, 2013 at 1:28 PM

The finale theater scene from inglorious bastards.

that is all.

Murphy9 on November 22, 2013 at 1:30 PM

We need to just shove that pile of shit off our shores.
We can use the money to build a watermark or something.

RovesChins on November 22, 2013 at 1:30 PM

Get fluked, all of you, badly. Then, we’ll pour lemon juice and vinegar on you.

Take your global redistribution and shove it.

Schadenfreude on November 22, 2013 at 1:31 PM

The picture alone is worth a million bucks.

Schadenfreude on November 22, 2013 at 1:31 PM

They should just say that they found an unclaimed bank account in Nigeria that contains $30 trillion, but, in order to access it, they will need to borrow the keys to the U.S. treasury.

justltl on November 22, 2013 at 1:32 PM

The only steppingstone I’d like to see Ms Figueres approach is the one in front of a prison somewhere.

Kleptocrat.

JEM on November 22, 2013 at 1:32 PM

So being a bum isn’t limited to just individuals? I ignore the “homeless” with their hands out on street corners. I am not sure what I would do to a nation holding out their change cup.

JAGonzo on November 22, 2013 at 1:33 PM

The United Nations. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.

Socratease on November 22, 2013 at 1:34 PM

We need to just shove that pile of shit off our shores.
We can use the money to build a watermark or something.

RovesChins on November 22, 2013 at 1:30 PM

I’ve always thought it would be a good location for a Walmart, or a dog park. I’ll bet the building is full of asbestos, though, and would take forever to demolish.

Ward Cleaver on November 22, 2013 at 1:34 PM

What a scam…

Blake on November 22, 2013 at 1:36 PM

Whether it’s local, national, or international, almost everything economic eventually boils down to the issue of redistribution of wealth. Dress it up in AGW yada yada all you want.. that’s still what it is.

Marcola on November 22, 2013 at 1:36 PM

The United Nations. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.

Socratease on November 22, 2013 at 1:34 PM

Thread winner

gwelf on November 22, 2013 at 1:37 PM

Where does this money go after it arrives at the UN? I have a feeling there a lot of extremely wealthy but unknown millionaires living in the lap of luxury while their 3rd world brethren live in their hell hole countries in cardboard shacks amid animal feces and flies. This UN should be abolished or moved out of the US.

jaywemm on November 22, 2013 at 1:37 PM

Industrial nations have so far held back from detailing how they will fulfil a four-year-old pledge to boost climate-related aid

What the phuk is this exactly? Sending raincoats to the rain forrest dwellers?

Rio Linda Refugee on November 22, 2013 at 1:38 PM

The Fearful Master

Akzed on November 22, 2013 at 1:38 PM

The picture alone is worth a million bucks.
Schadenfreude on November 22, 2013 at 1:31 PM

I’d say he’s to the AquaMan stage by now.

Old and busted: Walk on water
New hotness: Grow gills and breathe water

Marcola on November 22, 2013 at 1:39 PM

A bit OT but I had to call Comcast yesterday for some technical help. The guy at the call center started his spiel by saying “Before we start I’d just like to say thanks to the United States government for it’s disaster assistance here in the Philippines.” Poor guy got a lecture about how that was the U.S. citizen’s money and he should be thanking the people not the government. And we resolved the technical problem by me cancelling my cable.

Flange on November 22, 2013 at 1:40 PM

Now that the “consensus” is that “Global Warming” has stopped do we get a refund for the years it hasn’t been happening?

whatcat on November 22, 2013 at 1:42 PM

The picture alone is worth a million bucks.

Schadenfreude on November 22, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Water is NOT high enough o_0

Scrumpy on November 22, 2013 at 1:43 PM

…Poor guy got a lecture about how that was the U.S. citizen’s money and he should be thanking the people not the government. And we resolved the technical problem by me cancelling my cable.

Flange on November 22, 2013 at 1:40 PM

Well done!! Congrats! Buy a Roku and watch what you want :)

No one needs to support any cable Co any longer, ditch ‘em…

Scrumpy on November 22, 2013 at 1:47 PM

If you don’t already read WUWT here is a link:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/

Scrumpy on November 22, 2013 at 1:48 PM

Australia’s PM, Tony Abbot called it correctly when he looked at this UN Climate Conference and called it ‘socialism masquerading as environmentalism’.

That the demands for wealth redistribution in the name of environmentalism was led by the PRC is too stunning to even ponder…given the PRC is one of the worst polluters in the world.

The UN is a failed and irrelevant institution – as worthless as the League of Nations was in the 1930′s.

Athos on November 22, 2013 at 1:53 PM

Now that the “consensus” is that “Global Warming” has stopped do we get a refund for the years it hasn’t been happening?

Didn’t you hear? The fact that warming has stopped proves that global warming is real.

Although if the Montreal Protocols really did stop it, maybe the third world should be paying us for our good work.

Socratease on November 22, 2013 at 1:59 PM

cnsnews.com/news/article/penny-starr/45m-fed-study-effects-climate-change-indoor-air

davidk on November 22, 2013 at 2:02 PM

How much will Zimbabwe get? I understand that Mugabe is suffering greatly from climate change.

Special Forces Grunt on November 22, 2013 at 2:13 PM

It’s icy in South Texas…It’s not even winter.

Oil Can on November 22, 2013 at 2:14 PM

Use facts.

Lies kill.

Truth is life.

http://www.wattsupwiththat.com/

Obama now enters the “O”zone level of lies.

ObamaCareLess lies are a 2 on a 1 to 10 scale, now he goes to 10.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 22, 2013 at 2:33 PM

United Nations still pushing prosperous countries to pay more for climate change

Hey at least you guys at hot air are recycling. Didn’t you publish almost this exact same piece yesterday?

snoopicus on November 22, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Stefan Rahmstorf and the consensus of experts on sea level -vs- reality, reality wins
Posted on November 22, 2013 by Anthony Watts

From Stefan Rahmstorf and the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research (PIK)

Expert assessment: Sea-level rise could exceed 1 meter in this century

http://wattsupwiththat.com/

If you have a glass full of ice water, what happens when the ive melts?

davidk on November 22, 2013 at 2:59 PM

Stefan Rahmstorf and the consensus of experts on sea level -vs- reality, reality wins
Posted on November 22, 2013 by Anthony Watts

From Stefan Rahmstorf and the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research (PIK)

Expert assessment: Sea-level rise could exceed 1 meter in this century

http://wattsupwiththat.com/

If you have a glass full of ice water, what happens when the ice melts?

davidk on November 22, 2013 at 2:59 PM

Didn’t you hear? The fact that warming has stopped proves that global warming is real.
Socratease on November 22, 2013 at 1:59 PM

Ah, I forgot. Global Warming is just like donuts – there’s nothing that it can’t do.

whatcat on November 22, 2013 at 3:30 PM

I heard India was the ringleader

DarkCurrent on November 22, 2013 at 3:39 PM

The more prosperous countries are oddly disinclined to acquiesce to the virtual shakedown to which less developed countries are trying to persuade them to comply by funneling cash out of their own countries and into the treasuries of the less developed countries with a new “loss and damage” mechanism, and the ceremonial downplaying of expectations has already begun, via the NYT:

If global temperatures have not increased in the past 15 years (since 1998), what are the “damages” from a stable climate?

Steve Z on November 22, 2013 at 3:54 PM

The more prosperous countries are oddly disinclined to acquiesce to the virtual shakedown to which less developed countries are trying to persuade them to comply by funneling cash out of their own countries and into the treasuries of the less developed countries with a new “loss and damage” mechanism, and the ceremonial downplaying of expectations has already begun, via the NYT:

If global temperatures have not increased in the past 15 years (since 1998), what are the “damages” from a stable climate?

Steve Z on November 22, 2013 at 3:54 PM

If Red China has bumper crops next year do they have to give us a refund?

slickwillie2001 on November 22, 2013 at 3:55 PM

From Stefan Rahmstorf and the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research (PIK)

Expert assessment: Sea-level rise could exceed 1 meter in this century

The measured sea level rise rate is less than 2 millimeters per year, and the rate is currently decreasing. At that rate, over the 87 remaining years of this century, the total rise would be 174 mm, or about 6.85 inches.

Why does Rahmstorf think the sea level rise will accelerate, and what scientific reason does he give as a cause?

The cheap solution would be to build a 7-inch high sea wall along vulnerable beaches. But that wouldn’t enable “poor” countries to rob the “rich” countries, so the UN doesn’t consider it.

Steve Z on November 22, 2013 at 3:59 PM

what exactly constitutes a prosperous country? some of the so called poor countries of Africa for example are not really that poor, the leader are bleeding them dry.

RonK on November 22, 2013 at 4:22 PM

I heard India was the ringleader

DarkCurrent on November 22, 2013 at 3:39 PM

The UK paper of the left, The Guardian, reported it differently….

The orchestrated move by the G77 and China bloc of 132 countries came during talks about “loss and damage” – how countries should respond to climate impacts that are difficult or impossible to adapt to, such as typhoon Haiyan.

While India is a member of the G77, the common nomenclature is as The Guardian does it – G77 and China or G77 + China – putting the PRC on, IMO, an elevated position in relationship to other member nations.

Athos on November 22, 2013 at 4:25 PM

While India is a member of the G77, the common nomenclature is as The Guardian does it – G77 and China or G77 + China – putting the PRC on, IMO, an elevated position in relationship to other member nations.

Athos on November 22, 2013 at 4:25 PM

So Red China is behind this scam?

slickwillie2001 on November 22, 2013 at 4:30 PM

. I’ll bet the building is full of asbestos, though, and would take forever to demolish.

Ward Cleaver on November 22, 2013 at 1:34 PM

It is. That’s why they’re looking for $30Billion to “remodel and refurbish” the buildings.

Trump said that for $5Billion, he’d tear down the old buildings and put new ones up.

Solaratov on November 22, 2013 at 8:51 PM

What?? No refund, now that it’s all a crock?!

WryTrvllr on November 23, 2013 at 12:07 AM

Time to take back the UN Building and stop sending so much money to countries that spend it on their government payrolls. We suffer from the same disease.

mixplix on November 23, 2013 at 8:33 AM

Prosperous countries? Australia and Canada? Chile?

It’s a pretty short list, these days.

If we are talking about net-worth, the US may be the world’s poorest country in absolute terms because it has the greatest debt, with no way to pay it.

virgo on November 24, 2013 at 3:18 AM