Scott Walker on the difference between him and Christie: “I’m not going to call you an idiot”

posted at 5:21 pm on November 22, 2013 by Allahpundit

The lightest of early jabs thrown by one formidable 2016 contender at another. Unlike pretty much everyone else in the prospective field, Walker is on good terms with Christie.

Walker’s supporters say … his more conservative stances on several issues would help him in GOP primaries. And Walker’s calm Midwestern demeanor, they say, will play better in Iowa, South Carolina and other places than would Christie’s penchant for bombast and confrontation…

Walker didn’t quarrel with the premise. “Chris and I are good friends,” he said, and both of them stay true to their principles.

“The demeanor you have does have an impact,” Walker said. In New Jersey, he said, “the way that Chris has reacted to things actually fits.”

“I just have a Midwestern filter, that’s the difference,” Walker said. “I’m willing to speak out, but I’m not going to call you an idiot. I’m just going to say ‘That’s a ridiculous question,’ and move on.”

Interesting, not because it presages some nasty Walker/Christie spat — Walker actually rode to his defense a few days ago after Rand Paul attacked him again for being too moderate — but because these two probably are, at least at the beginning of the primary campaign, going to be champions for different niches of the GOP electorate. I keep imagining the 2016 field as splitting between a centrist, a tea partier, and some hybrid candidate who can pull dissatisfied voters from both groups. If Jeb Bush doesn’t run (and Christie’s doing what he can to make sure that he doesn’t), he’ll be the centrist guy. Rand Paul or Ted Cruz, in all likelihood, will be the tea-party guy. Walker’s well positioned to be the hybrid. (So was Rubio before he torched his conservative credibility for amnesty.) A few days ago Phil Klein dubbed him Christie’s worst nightmare potentially because he, maybe uniquely among the field, can counter Christie’s big electability argument. Not only would Walker, like Christie, have won reelection in a reliably blue state, he would have done it despite ferocious left-wing attempts to oust him for his collective bargaining reforms a few years ago. He might not pile up Christie’s numbers with blacks and Latinos but he can point to the recall as proof that he knows how to win even when Democrats are throwing everything they’ve got at him.

Just one question: What is it, exactly, that makes Christie a RINO and Walker a conservative, or at least conservative enough to qualify for the “hybrid” role in the next primary? Does it have to do with policy really or is it more of an attitudinal thing that people attempt to justify by appealing to policy? Both of them are famous for battling public employee unions; both of them are pro-life and support a path to citizenship for illegals (Walker’s take on border security might actually be more liberal than any of his rivals, Christie included); and both like to contrast their focus on “results” with the gridlock and brinksmanship in D.C. This bit from Walker’s op-ed a few days ago could have come straight out of one of Christie’s speeches:

In Washington the fight is over “fiscal cliffs,” “debt limits,” “sequesters” and “shutdowns.” In the states, Republicans focus on improving education, caring for the poor, reforming government, lowering taxes, fixing entitlements, reducing dependency, improving health care, and creating jobs and opportunity for the unemployed.

Republicans need to do more than simply say no to Mr. Obama and his party’s big-government agenda. They can offer Americans positive solutions for the nation’s challenges—to reduce dependency, and create hope, opportunity, and upward mobility for all citizens.

There are differences too, of course — Walker will spend lots of time in 2016 contrasting his gun policies with Christie’s, and the two of them will inevitably end up getting down in the weeds over who the bigger sellout on ObamaCare is. Christie expanded Medicaid in New Jersey temporarily; Walker rejected the Medicaid expansion and lowered the income level for eligibility in the program, with the newly ineligible poor expected to enroll in O-Care and start receiving federal subsidies instead. Which policy is “less conservative”? We’ll find out! My point, though, is that perceptions that Christie’s a centrist sellout while Walker’s a principled conservative seem to turn less on what they’ve done as governors than the manner in which they’ve done it. Walker’s the guy who walked through political fire, at personal risk to himself, to make those collective bargaining reforms stick. Christie’s the guy who gave Obama his big bipartisan Sandy photo op on the eve of the election and who seems to end up squabbling with tea-party favorites like Rand Paul every other week. Klein, in the post linked above, distinguished them by saying that righties seem to view Walker as “one of us” whereas they have the opposite sense of Christie, that he’s another northeastern Republican who views the conservative base with thinly veiled contempt. Isn’t that the big difference between them (apart from, as Walker says, Christie’s willingness to call his critics “idiots”)?

I don’t mean to overstate the importance of style in saying that, though. One crucial thing that righties learned about Walker during and after the Thunderdome in Madison over collective bargaining is that the guy simply will not bend on a policy he believes in, no matter how much acid the left spits at him and how far into the tank the media goes for Democrats in attacking him. He’s unflappable. That’s hugely significant when you’re thinking of throwing your vote to a guy who isn’t the most orthodox conservative in the field. The big worry about Christie is that he’ll be wooed by media adulation of his charisma and his own rhetoric about the glories of compromise into governing even further from the center than people think. That’s less of a worry with Walker, the guy who became a right-wing rock star precisely because he wouldn’t compromise.

Here’s Christie in his new role as RGA chair running through the familiar condemnation of D.C. brinksmanship yesterday.


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Sometimes people need to be called idiots, and in those situations, it will go over just fine. Nobody likes a pushover.

xblade on November 22, 2013 at 5:28 PM

xblade on November 22, 2013 at 5:28 PM

Walker is far from a push over. The last few years should have shown that :)

watertown on November 22, 2013 at 5:31 PM

Klein, in the post linked above, distinguished them by saying that righties seem to view Walker as “one of us” whereas they have the opposite sense of Christie, that he’s another northeastern Republican who views the conservative base with thinly veiled contempt. Isn’t that the big difference between them (apart from, as Walker says, Christie’s willingness to call his critics “idiots”)?

I’ve gotten the impression that Walker and Christie could end up on the same ticket and both would be comfortable with that. I’m not.

We don’t need one Christie… let alone one Christie and another Christie ‘with a Midwest filter’. Bad RINO, nice RINO. No thanks.

thatsafactjack on November 22, 2013 at 5:32 PM

I consider him saying he supports a path to legality for illegal aliens on two separate occasions and then coming out arguing he is not for amnesty pretty much the same thing as calling people idiots.

Who are you going to believe? Me telling the truth twice or me telling you a lie once in order to make you think my truth was a lie? Come on guys! You know I an totally against amnesty, I am just for a streamline immigration process, that includes amnesty!

astonerii on November 22, 2013 at 5:33 PM

Walker is far from a push over. The last few years should have shown that :)

watertown

I’m especially impressed by his pretending he doesn’t really support amnesty. :)

xblade on November 22, 2013 at 5:34 PM

Walker is far from a push over. The last few years should have shown that :)

watertown on November 22, 2013 at 5:31 PM

Then the fact that he is an amnesty supporter should not be something he would be hiding. I guess he thinks WE are the pushovers, and IDIOTS to boot. Some kind of leader there.

astonerii on November 22, 2013 at 5:34 PM

Bad RINO, nice RINO. No thanks.

thatsafactjack on November 22, 2013 at 5:32 PM

LOL. True.

INC on November 22, 2013 at 5:35 PM

INC on November 22, 2013 at 5:35 PM

Good afternoon, INC.:) Nice to see you.

thatsafactjack on November 22, 2013 at 5:35 PM

Just one question: What is it, exactly, that makes Christie a RINO and Walker a conservative, or at least conservative enough to qualify for the “hybrid” role in the next primary?

Walker gets an A+ rating from the NRA.

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2013/jan/28/scott-walker/talking-gun-control-and-sandy-hook-gov-scott-walke/

rbj on November 22, 2013 at 5:40 PM

I don’t know where Walker stands on NSA domestic spying, or increasingly militarized domestic federal and local government agencies. I do know where Christie stands, and I will never vote for him.

notropis on November 22, 2013 at 5:42 PM

righties seem to view Walker as “one of us”

Yup.

One crucial thing that righties learned about Walker during and after the Thunderdome in Madison over collective bargaining is that the guy simply will not bend on a policy he believes in

And this. Obama has this trait also, but he believes in hitting Americans upside the head with a hammer.

crrr6 on November 22, 2013 at 5:43 PM

Gov. Walker’s calm and articulate style will probably win him lots of votes in places where Christie’s bombastic bullying will fall flat. Walker has a similar speaking style to Marco Rubio, but Walker has the advantage of being a blue-state Governor instead of a purple-state Senator.

Walker is conservative enough for the Tea Party “base”, but also a very “likeable” Governor who attracts “swing voters” instead of scaring them, as Ronald Reagan used to do. For now, Walker needs to concentrate on being re-elected Governor of Wisconsin next year, but by late 2015, he could be a formidable challenger to the inevitable (?) Hillary Clinton.

Steve Z on November 22, 2013 at 5:43 PM

Are we gonna have to endure three years of daily GOP primary posts?

Seriously?

myiq2xu on November 22, 2013 at 5:45 PM

“Chris and I are good friends”

Well, that tells us a lot about Walker – and it ain’t pretty.

Pork-Chop on November 22, 2013 at 5:47 PM

Just one question: What is it, exactly, that makes Christie a RINO and Walker a conservative, or at least conservative enough to qualify for the “hybrid” role in the next primary? Does it have to do with policy really or is it more of an attitudinal thing that people attempt to justify by appealing to policy?

Oh, stop for it, for crying out loud. Look at their records and the positions of their states. Christie is a complete and total fraud. He’s a liberal by any standard other than the head of the New Jersey Teachers’ unions.

Jaibones on November 22, 2013 at 5:47 PM

astonerii on November 22, 2013 at 5:34 PM

So then your only choice is Cruz – a fine man and a good choice, but I’m keeping my options open. If we’ve gone from McCain to Romney to Walker we’re at least headed in the right direction.

crrr6 on November 22, 2013 at 5:47 PM

Here’s Christie in his new role as RGA chair running through the familiar condemnation of D.C. brinksmanship yesterday.

Oh! The fat bastard wants to talk about brinksmanship? How about this you bloated RINO. Endorsing the REPUBLICAN up until the last few days before the election and then endorsing Obama instead complete with hugs and plenty of leg-humping? Yeah fat man, some of us remember that kind of stuff.

Happy Nomad on November 22, 2013 at 5:47 PM

One crucial thing that righties learned about Walker during and after the Thunderdome in Madison over collective bargaining is that the guy simply will not bend on a policy he believes in

Except, apparently, amnesty for illegal aliens. He’s been against it, he’s been for it. Lots of room for ‘bending’ apparently on that issue.

thatsafactjack on November 22, 2013 at 5:47 PM

thatsafactjack on November 22, 2013 at 5:35 PM

Hey, Jackie! Good to see you!

INC on November 22, 2013 at 5:47 PM

myiq2xu on November 22, 2013 at 5:45 PM

I’ve found that I can choose to click or not click on posts, based on my level of interest in the subject matter.

notropis on November 22, 2013 at 5:48 PM

Great. The only thing that makes Christie mildly interesting, you don’t do?
Perfect. NEXT!

RovesChins on November 22, 2013 at 5:49 PM

In Washington the fight is over “fiscal cliffs,” “debt limits,” “sequesters” and “shutdowns.” In the states, Republicans focus on improving education, caring for the poor, reforming government, lowering taxes, fixing entitlements, reducing dependency, improving health care, and creating jobs and opportunity for the unemployed.

So he is against the sequester? The only step in the right direction in budget matters for years?

The more I hear from Scott Walker the less I like him. He really is the next Tim Pawlenty.

Valkyriepundit on November 22, 2013 at 5:49 PM

You can take a jab at Christie without alluding to his weight? Good job, Governor Walker.

GOPRanknFile on November 22, 2013 at 5:49 PM

What makes Walker less a RINO than your Joisey Buddah Allah?

Really?

In case you missed it, and evidently you did Walker reformed the civil service unions in his state and actually you know improved his state’s economy.

I get that berating individual teachers makes Joisey Buddah a Real Man in New EUtopia or something but he has actually accomplished very little.

Walker is about as “sensible” as you are gonna get and get turnout champ, so maybe you should be a glass half full guy and look for real you know accomplishments in your Moderate Militia?

harlekwin15 on November 22, 2013 at 5:49 PM

So then your only choice is Cruz – a fine man and a good choice, but I’m keeping my options open. If we’ve gone from McCain to Romney to Walker we’re at least headed in the right direction.

crrr6 on November 22, 2013 at 5:47 PM

yeah, if we went from Hitler to Mousilini(spelling?) to Stalin To Obama I still would not support Obama.

astonerii on November 22, 2013 at 5:51 PM

So then your only choice is Cruz – a fine man and a good choice, but I’m keeping my options open. If we’ve gone from McCain to Romney to Walker we’re at least headed in the right direction.

crrr6 on November 22, 2013 at 5:47 PM

I respect the fact that Walker has had to run for office something like three times in the last four years. As a Republican. In a blue state (why I don’t know since one of the “official” birthplaces of the GOP is in WI). But that whole amnesty thing doesn’t leave me thinking well of Walker as the nominee.

We, of course, are way too far out for any of this discussion to be meaningful but Walker comes off as shifty on some key social conservative issues.

Happy Nomad on November 22, 2013 at 5:51 PM

thats all you got walker?

next.

renalin on November 22, 2013 at 5:52 PM

You can take a jab at Christie without alluding to his weight? Good job, Governor Walker.

GOPRanknFile on November 22, 2013 at 5:49 PM

People don’t know at this point that Christie is a fat bastard who endorsed Obama?

Happy Nomad on November 22, 2013 at 5:53 PM

I don’t like hearing it, but gotta admit — this Walker is one cagey bird. He refuses to piss anyone off. The Mexicans, the Krispy-ites, the conservatives — we all get some love. Hell, he gutted the unions up there like walleye, and half of them like him.

Jaibones on November 22, 2013 at 5:53 PM

People don’t know at this point that Christie is a fat bastard who endorsed Obama?

Happy Nomad on November 22, 2013 at 5:53 PM

Nope.

GOPRanknFile on November 22, 2013 at 5:54 PM

Unless Walker is for amnesty, I would be ok with him being the niminee.
My first choice is Ted Cruz tho.

Hard Right on November 22, 2013 at 5:55 PM

The more I hear from Scott Walker the less I like him. He really is the next Tim Pawlenty.

Valkyriepundit on November 22, 2013 at 5:49 PM

Yeah, Pawlenty without the charisma. ;0

Seriously, it really does no good for these outside the Beltway governors armchair legislating what should happen on Capitol Hill. Things like “fiscal cliffs,” “debt limits,” “sequesters” and “shutdowns” are things that governors have a different perspective because they have a different set of priorities and constraints (not the least of which is that Walker or the fat bastard can’t print money). They’d be well advised to be less arrogant about the idea that they can take DC by storm and solve all the problems just like they did in Trenton, Madison, Austin, or Baton Rouge.

Happy Nomad on November 22, 2013 at 5:59 PM

Gov. Walker wants to ‘open the door’ to immigrants

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/11/22/gov-walker-wants-to-open-the-door-to-immigrants/#ixzz2lPz5AdSx

FloatingRock on November 22, 2013 at 5:59 PM

Scott Walker and Chris Christie are both for mass illegal alien amnesty.

Did we learn nothing from John McCain?

No way in hell should we support either for the nomination.

bluegill on November 22, 2013 at 5:59 PM

I wonder if Republicans could stop fighting themselves long enough to land a punch on a democrat once in a while.

Dollayo on November 22, 2013 at 6:00 PM

My first choice is Ted Cruz tho.

Hard Right on November 22, 2013 at 5:55 PM

You mean the guy that Mitch McConnell calls a bully?

Happy Nomad on November 22, 2013 at 6:00 PM

HELL NO TO PRO-AMNESTY SCOTT WALKER.

bluegill on November 22, 2013 at 6:01 PM

yeah, if we went from Hitler to Mousilini(spelling?) to Stalin To Obama I still would not support Obama.

astonerii on November 22, 2013 at 5:51 PM

Yeah, cause I mean a union-slaying, abortion fighting, CCW legalizing blue state governor is pretty much like electing Obama or Stalin. You are a moron.

crrr6 on November 22, 2013 at 6:02 PM

Happy Nomad on November 22, 2013 at 5:59 PM

Of course, Governor Pence was also a legislator at one point, and he agrees with Walker and “the fat bastard” about the conduct of folks on Capitol Hill, and how Governors might just be better for our nation.

Indiana Governor Mike Pence knows both sides of that public office equation. Pence was elected as the Hoosier state’s governor in 2012 after serving in the US House of Representatives. Pence said, “Comparing my 12 years on Capitol Hill and 12 months since being elected, I’m more convinced that the cure for what ails the nation will come from state capitols rather than from nation’s capitol.”

GOPRanknFile on November 22, 2013 at 6:04 PM

You can take a jab at Christie without alluding to his weight? Good job, Governor Walker.

GOPRanknFile on November 22, 2013 at 5:49 PM

This must be a rino crisis for you.

RovesChins on November 22, 2013 at 6:04 PM

Did we learn nothing from John McCain?

No way in hell should we support either for the nomination.

bluegill on November 22, 2013 at 5:59 PM

Wasn’t Romney anti-amnesty? How’d that turn out?

GOPRanknFile on November 22, 2013 at 6:05 PM

This must be a rino crisis for you.

RovesChins on November 22, 2013 at 6:04 PM

Ha, I love how you like how Jindal and Pence are in my top 3 for Prez, and then proceed to say I have a rino crisis. Whatever works for you, I suppose.

GOPRanknFile on November 22, 2013 at 6:07 PM

This must be a rino crisis for you.

RovesChins on November 22, 2013 at 6:04 PM

Ha, I love how you like how Jindal and Pence are in my top 3 for Prez, and then proceed to say I have a rino crisis. Whatever works for you, I suppose.

GOPRanknFile on November 22, 2013 at 6:07 PM

You do.

RovesChins on November 22, 2013 at 6:08 PM

Wasn’t Romney anti-amnesty? How’d that turn out?

GOPRanknFile on November 22, 2013 at 6:05 PM

I don’t recall amnesty being an issue. The “conversation” was too fixated on the sex life of professional bar slut, Sandra Fluke and her private parts.

Happy Nomad on November 22, 2013 at 6:08 PM

Pro-amnesty Scott Walker has said that his preferred choice for the nomination would be Jeb Bush. Kind of says it all.

Scott Walker, Chris Christie and Jeb Bush: three pro-amnesty peas in a GOP Establishment pod.

bluegill on November 22, 2013 at 6:08 PM

Walker will not be a good candidate until he can answer the “How long has it been since you stopped beating your wife?” catch-22 questions that Gingrich and Christie are so good at. There was an ABC interview in which they threw those at him constantly and he ignored them, deeming them to be true by not answering them — very bad.

KenInIL on November 22, 2013 at 6:08 PM

I wonder if Republicans could stop fighting themselves long enough to land a punch on a democrat once in a while.

Dollayo on November 22, 2013 at 6:00 PM

I’m neither a Democrat nor a Republican, I’m just an American, and I oppose those in the K-Street Crony Party on both sides that seeks to sell out the American people in service to their crony masters. Those who place the interests of their corrupt political party and their own political ambitions over the interests of the American people are not on my team.

FloatingRock on November 22, 2013 at 6:09 PM

yeah, if we went from Hitler to Mousilini(spelling?) to Stalin To Obama I still would not support Obama.

astonerii on November 22, 2013 at 5:51 PM

Yeah, cause I mean a union-slaying, abortion fighting, CCW legalizing blue state governor is pretty much like electing Obama or Stalin. You are a moron.

crrr6 on November 22, 2013 at 6:02 PM

See Romney campaign 2012.

RovesChins on November 22, 2013 at 6:10 PM

You do.

RovesChins on November 22, 2013 at 6:08 PM

K.

GOPRanknFile on November 22, 2013 at 6:11 PM

Wasn’t Romney anti-amnesty? How’d that turn out?
GOPRanknFile on November 22, 2013 at 6:05 PM

How did your pro-amnesty McCain turn out?

But you are looking at this the wrong way. It sounds like you are supporting amnesty because you think it will win Republicans some votes. So, so foolish.

Mass illegal alien nasty would be suicide not just for the party, but for the country as well.

bluegill on November 22, 2013 at 6:11 PM

Pro-amnesty Scott Walker

bluegill on November 22, 2013 at 6:08 PM

Walker is a lot worse than merely “pro-amnesty”, he supports open-borders. He supports unlimited legal immigration.

FloatingRock on November 22, 2013 at 6:12 PM

I don’t recall amnesty being an issue. The “conversation” was too fixated on the sex life of professional bar slut, Sandra Fluke and her private parts.

Happy Nomad on November 22, 2013 at 6:08 PM

I agree that amnesty wasn’t an issue in the 2012 election. I was just calling out bluegill on her silly logic, since amnesty wasn’t really much of an issue in the 2008 election, either. It was all about the financial crisis and the war in Iraq.

GOPRanknFile on November 22, 2013 at 6:12 PM

Of course, Governor Pence was also a legislator at one point, and he agrees with Walker and “the fat bastard” about the conduct of folks on Capitol Hill, and how Governors might just be better for our nation.

GOPRanknFile on November 22, 2013 at 6:04 PM

Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, and GWB- all could have benefited from being less parochial. I don’t put Reagan in the mix because of the size of the state he governed, his career following acting, and his abilities.

The fat bastard has nothing but hatred for Republicans that don’t think like him. Plus, his weight (read health) is going to be an issue whether you want to admit it or not. He could be sitting there at the State of the Union insulting Congress, the military, the SCOTUS, or ordinary Americans one minute and suffering a heart attack the next. Even with the surgery, he’s far from tonnage in the healthy range.

Happy Nomad on November 22, 2013 at 6:14 PM

The GOP establishment is going to keep throwing their amnesty and open-borders candidates against the wall hoping one of them will stick. Go to Hell, GOP!

FloatingRock on November 22, 2013 at 6:14 PM

How did your pro-amnesty McCain turn out?

But you are looking at this the wrong way. It sounds like you are supporting amnesty because you think it will win Republicans some votes. So, so foolish.

Mass illegal alien nasty would be suicide not just for the party, but for the country as well.

bluegill on November 22, 2013 at 6:11 PM

Are you feigning ignorance, or are you just sincerely ignorant? You think I supported McCain in the 2008 election?? And once again, you prove how uninformed you are. I have never been for amnesty. I was just pointing out how flawed your reasoning was because you claim that McCain lost due to his amnesty stance. He lost for many reasons, but amnesty was not even a major issue in the 2008 election, just like it wasn’t in the 2012 election, when Romney lost, even though he’s anti-amnesty.

GOPRanknFile on November 22, 2013 at 6:15 PM

Walker is a lot worse than merely “pro-amnesty”, he supports open-borders. He supports unlimited legal immigration.
FloatingRock on November 22, 2013 at 6:12 PM

Yep.

bluegill on November 22, 2013 at 6:16 PM

Mass illegal alien nasty would be suicide not just for the party, but for the country as well.
bluegill on November 22, 2013 at 6:11 PM

*amnesty, not nasty

bluegill on November 22, 2013 at 6:17 PM

The fat bastard has nothing but hatred for Republicans that don’t think like him.

I think that applies to most politicians, not just Christie. I’ve seen that from the Tea Party types, and also the establishment types.

Plus, his weight (read health) is going to be an issue whether you want to admit it or not. He could be sitting there at the State of the Union insulting Congress, the military, the SCOTUS, or ordinary Americans one minute and suffering a heart attack the next. Even with the surgery, he’s far from tonnage in the healthy range.

Happy Nomad on November 22, 2013 at 6:14 PM

His weight/health will no doubt be an issue, but politically speaking, I really don’t think it’s going to be as much of an issue as most people think. Of course, it’s really early and anything can change, but the fact that Christie does the best consistently in polls shows that the weight issue really hasn’t been much of a negative yet. It’s not like people don’t know he’s obese…they just don’t seem to care. But we still have about a year or two left before the real campaign begins, so I guess we’ll see.

GOPRanknFile on November 22, 2013 at 6:21 PM

Somebody has a man crush on Christie, but don’t call him a rino! He hearts Pence too!

RovesChins on November 22, 2013 at 6:23 PM

The GOP establishment is going to keep throwing their amnesty and open-borders candidates against the wall hoping one of them will stick.

FloatingRock on November 22, 2013 at 6:14 PM

That’s fine, so long as they can make a compelling case why it makes sense to do so. None have succeeded so far. Just demanding that the illegals should be treated like real immigrants because “it is the right thing to do” only pisses me off. If the GOPe wants amnesty then they need to make the case on its merits and not on some stupid idea that illegal aliens will vote for Republicans. They come into this nation as parasites and only would come “out of the shadows” to get even more welfare.

Happy Nomad on November 22, 2013 at 6:24 PM

Walker has turned out to be a fraud just like Rubio. The rule of law doesn’t matter to these sell-outs.

Wigglesworth on November 22, 2013 at 6:24 PM

Yeah, cause I mean a union-slaying, abortion fighting, CCW legalizing blue state governor is pretty much like electing Obama or Stalin. You are a moron.

crrr6 on November 22, 2013 at 6:02 PM

Actually retard, you are a moron. I will not vote for someone who will pass Amnesty*. He is simply an unacceptable candidate. It does not matter how unacceptable the previous candidates were before him. Hence a line of despicable people leading to slightly less despicable and unacceptable final choice arguing, well, Obama is better than than those people… To you, you would vote Obama, as long as the people before him were worse… For me, Obama, and amnesty supporting anyone are unacceptable period.

* Well, unless they can honestly deliver something much better. If he were to say, hey, yeah, I might legalize some illegals, but before I do that, I will (and has a plausible path to doing so) dismantle the welfare state, from food stamps to social security and medicare, I would think about voting for them under that condition.

But the fact is that illegal aliens are not conservative, PERIOD. They will not vote for conservatives, PERIOD. They will vote for regressives, PERIOD. Allowing them to become citizens, the end occurrence of amnesty of any kind, dilutes the value of my vote. It makes regressive politicians even more of the norm than it is today. Even if the Republican party remained, there would be fewer still conservatives in it. This makes anyone at all that is pro-amnesty unacceptable period.

astonerii on November 22, 2013 at 6:27 PM

Walker has turned out to be a fraud just like Rubio. The rule of law doesn’t matter to these sell-outs.

Wigglesworth on November 22, 2013 at 6:24 PM

Wigglesworth, we were conversing in another thread earlier today, and you pointed out that Cruz has above a 50% approval rating in TX according to the University of Texas/Texas Tribune poll, but he actually has a 52% approval rating among Republicans in TX, not overall in the state itself, but thanks for making me aware of that poll. I hadn’t seen it before.

GOPRanknFile on November 22, 2013 at 6:29 PM

GOPRanknFile on November 22, 2013 at 6:29 PM

Funny, he won election, he obviously has a higher than 50% approval.

astonerii on November 22, 2013 at 6:35 PM

Walker is a good pick. Hes not perfect (nobody is), but hes a good pick nonetheless.

tommy71 on November 22, 2013 at 6:36 PM

Funny, he won election, he obviously has a higher than 50% approval.

astonerii on November 22, 2013 at 6:35 PM

Then, by your logic, Obama must have higher than 50% approval since he won the election, no? Just because you win an election, it doesn’t mean you maintain higher than a 50% approval throughout your term.

GOPRanknFile on November 22, 2013 at 6:37 PM

Palin is the only 100% genuine person and conservative among all of them and the only one who doesn’t — consciously or inconsciously, in some subtle way — accommodate the media’s prerogative about what they should act like and sound like.

rrpjr on November 22, 2013 at 6:43 PM

Actually retard,………………

astonerii on November 22, 2013 at 6:27 PM

And that’s where you lost whatever points you wanted to make after that. I certainly don’t get the vapors over coarse language but calling somebody a “retard” is probably a quicker route to irrelevance than calling somebody a Nazi.

Happy Nomad on November 22, 2013 at 6:44 PM

Palin is the only 100% genuine person and conservative among all of them and the only one who doesn’t — consciously or inconsciously, in some subtle way — accommodate the media’s prerogative about what they should act like and sound like.

rrpjr on November 22, 2013 at 6:43 PM

Martin Bashir would disagree.

Which I only point out because I don’t understand why he is still getting a paycheck at this point. Don Imus got fired for far less.

Happy Nomad on November 22, 2013 at 6:46 PM

Yeah, cause I mean a union-slaying, abortion fighting, CCW legalizing blue state governor is pretty much like electing Obama or Stalin. You are a moron.

crrr6 on November 22, 2013 at 6:02 PM

Actually retard,………………

astonerii on November 22, 2013 at 6:27 PM

And that’s where you lost whatever points you wanted to make after that. I certainly don’t get the vapors over coarse language but calling somebody a “retard” is probably a quicker route to irrelevance than calling somebody a Nazi.

Happy Nomad on November 22, 2013 at 6:44 PM

What ever HACK retard.
I was not talking to you. Obviously you agree with the RETARD or you would not be offended. I do not care what RETARDS think, their thinking is FLAWED, hence RETARD.
If you are willing to not address information as information because I called someone, like yourself who disregards facts, a retard, the less power to you. And far less you will have.
Now go cry in your mommies apron like the good little bed wetter that you are.

astonerii on November 22, 2013 at 6:52 PM

Except, apparently, amnesty for illegal aliens. He’s been against it, he’s been for it. Lots of room for ‘bending’ apparently on that issue.

thatsafactjack on November 22, 2013 at 5:47 PM

Kind of like a modern day Mitt Romney, who was for abortion rights, gun control and government-mandated healthcare before he sought the GOP nomination.

The RINOs that run this site must have realized that the New Jersey Blimp won’t fly and now they are pushing Scott Walker.

bw222 on November 22, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Which I only point out because I don’t understand why he is still getting a paycheck at this point. Don Imus got fired for far less.

Happy Nomad on November 22, 2013 at 6:46 PM

I know. But that’s why he said what he said — he knows she’s beyond his and the media’s reach. Her strength and individuality scares and infuriates him.

rrpjr on November 22, 2013 at 7:11 PM

I just want us to pick our own candidate this time, and not have the slightly larger republican version of the low info voter accept ABC CBS and NBC’s pick like they did with McCain and Romney..

It’s not rational to accept the MSM pick because we know what they’ll do.. they have already decided for us, that Christie is our guy, because they expect him to implode in a fit of rage and alienate the rest of America.. or they have a juicy scandal lined up to pick him off after the nominatio

I prefer Ted Cruz.. am slightly confused with all his skills why some republicans run in terror from his name..

Is it just he’s hated by the MSM?

So was Reagan.. but he through force of personality overcame their smears and slanders.. people just didn’t believe Dan Rather that he was a crazy old man who WANTED a nuclear war..

The public made the right choice..

They can again, but we have to start by education of the GOP primary voters that the media isn’t on our side here.. to many think what David Gregory says matters..

mark81150 on November 22, 2013 at 7:37 PM

First, Christie’s weight will not be an issue in 2016. It will actually be a positive. He will likely have lost 250 pounds by then and people will be telling him how great he looks. I used to make fun of Christie’s weight and I felt it would be a huge issue in 2016. No longer. I highly recommend those who are against Christie like myself to stop talking about his weight.

Walker has little charisma and I always believe this is a huge factor in getting elected President. The most charismatic nominee ALWAYS wins the election. With that said, Walker has improved some in his speaking skillz and his performance. He has gone from dorky to average in the last 3 years.

As for the difference between Walker and Christie, one is a liberal and one more moderate. One did phony videos about the unions and one went to war and beat the unions. One I know his stance on about 5 issues where he is a certain liberal on. The other is a bit more mysterious. One I know the liberal media loves and one is their foe, at least 2 years ago he was.

With that said, I am open to voting for Walker, although the more I hear the less I like. The other I will not only never vote for but will fight, scratch, claw and bite to stop.

KMav on November 22, 2013 at 7:37 PM

Republicans need to do more than simply say no to Mr. Obama and his party’s big-government agenda. They can offer Americans positive solutions for the nation’s challenges—to reduce dependency, and create hope, opportunity, and upward mobility for all citizens.

Yeah, maybe, but you can’t do that without showing a direct contrast with the Democrats, their philosophy, and their methodology. Without that, you’re just Democrat lite.

Shaddup with the nice guy talk already. Go to war or go home.

Cleombrotus on November 22, 2013 at 7:46 PM

Christie is a no-go for either Prez or Veep.

The fact that Walker is chummy with the fat man, is NOT GOOD for Walker.

I’m still hoping it’s Rand Paul if Ted Cruz does not run.

We are now seeing Walker cross over left of center and begin a campaign of pandering.

He seems to think it has to be a governor, but doesn’t understand that although that is nice to have on a resume, the BASE wants CONSTITUTIONAL government.

Until the Constitutionalist steps boldly forward, we have no leader in the GOP that ……gets it.

KirknBurker on November 22, 2013 at 7:49 PM

Saw his game on Greta. The litany of curse words that flew will follow into any primary.

RovesChins on November 22, 2013 at 8:02 PM

I refuse to let Walker be called a RINO. No one this side of Reagan and maybe Newt has accomplished more for conservatism. If any of you had been here during the recalls, you would’ve seen hordes of rabid hippies and union thugs harassing his kids and surrounding his house and threatening his life. And what has he accomplished? Not promised but accomplished?

Made teacher union membership optional

Turned a deficit into a surplus

Tax cut

Voucher expansion

Concealed Carry and Castle Doctrine

Abortion restrictions

Thats what he’s done. What else do you guys want? He’s not going to do anything to alienate his base. I know because that’s how he’s running things now. He’s not a compromiser. I suspect he’s playing with amnesty for show. When it comes to results, Scott does what his base wants and doesn’t back down.

xuyee on November 22, 2013 at 10:17 PM

Walker actually rode to his defense a few days ago after Rand Paul attacked him again for being too moderate —

Reason enough to stay home election night if he’s the nominee.

Is Walker not watching the Senate? This is war.

Moderation is the last thing we need.

Let the Indie’s vote to pay up to 400% more for insurance. If that’s the case, a zombie apocolypse would be a welcome relief.

Hog Wild on November 23, 2013 at 12:02 AM

Well, I hope there are more differences between the two of you than that, Scott. Otherwise, I am going to have to rethink my support for you.

Sterling Holobyte on November 23, 2013 at 1:15 AM

Good deal! Walker/Christie for the loss 2016!

Bmore on November 23, 2013 at 8:53 AM

We don’t need one Christie… let alone one Christie and another Christie ‘with a Midwest filter’. Bad RINO, nice RINO. No thanks.

thatsafactjack on November 22, 2013 at 5:32 PM

This! I do not want a centrist! Centrists got us into this mess by compromising away all their principles while democrats stood firm. When was the last time a democrat compromised to the right…never! Screw anyone willing to meet the deme half way. I’m done with the Republican pu$$ies. We need to fight! If you’re not a conservative you will not get my money, my support or my vote. If that means the deme win and run us into the ground I do not care. The sooner we hit bottom the sooner we can start cleaning the house of the garbage. A few more successes like Obamaocare and we will quickly be at a place where Americans, even the low info voters who vote their feelings, will have had enough!

Doomsday on November 23, 2013 at 8:59 AM

Wisconsin has an unemployment rate right now of 6.5%. new Jerseys is over 8%. How is that for a difference between them. But I would also refer you back to the post below:

Made teacher union membership optional

Turned a deficit into a surplus

Tax cut

Voucher expansion

Concealed Carry and Castle Doctrine

Abortion restrictions

Thats what he’s done. What else do you guys want? He’s not going to do anything to alienate his base. I know because that’s how he’s running things now. He’s not a compromiser. I suspect he’s playing with amnesty for show. When it comes to results, Scott does what his base wants and doesn’t back down.

xuyee on November 22, 2013 at 10:17 PM

What has Chris Christie really done? We never get any threads about Chris Christies accomplishments in NJ. All we ever get is how popular he is. How he has charisma and celebrity blah, blah, blah.

And I completely disagree with your statement, Allah, that his OPED in WSJ could have been from a Christie speech. I thought his oped was an argument against people like Christie who become Democrats to get elected and all of you who push the, “first we have to win” mantra. I don’t support amnesty. But if our UE rate were 6.5% instead of above 8% I would be much less worried about it.

For the record I like Rand Paul, I like Ted Cruz and I like Scott Walker, so far. Things can change of course but I will promise you this, I will NEVER vote for Chris Christie.

magicbeans on November 23, 2013 at 9:01 AM

Oh and voter ID. Now Christie hasn’t had a friendly legislature, but I don’t much about him. I’m just saying Walker’s pretty much done all the things a governor can do. Calling everyone a RINO doesn’t help, and given that the next prez will probably replace Scalia and Thomas, we can’t afford to be picky.

Walker gets the long game. It’s true that public unions should be voluntary and powerless from a good gov’t standpoint. It’s also true that his reforms, not so coincidentally have gutted the Dem organization. And he does it all with a folksy smile. In fact if there’s a dig on Walker, it’s that he’s kinda boring.

xuyee on November 23, 2013 at 9:45 AM

Walker is the real deal. We watched in awe from a little south of the border as he broke the teacher’s unions — no one even thought that was possible just a few years ago, and you could sense the fear locally. And then he won the recall election by the same margin he was elected, despite a massively well-funded effort to de-seat him as Governor.

And he crushed those unions. I mean, their dues payments dropped by 90% in some places, just because Walker stopped letting the state seize workers’ money for the unions without their permission.

TallDave on November 23, 2013 at 9:55 AM

I refuse to let Walker be called a RINO. No one this side of Reagan and maybe Newt has accomplished more for conservatism. If any of you had been here during the recalls, you would’ve seen hordes of rabid hippies and union thugs harassing his kids and surrounding his house and threatening his life. And what has he accomplished? Not promised but accomplished?

Made teacher union membership optional

Turned a deficit into a surplus

Tax cut

Voucher expansion

Concealed Carry and Castle Doctrine

Abortion restrictions

Thats what he’s done. What else do you guys want? He’s not going to do anything to alienate his base. I know because that’s how he’s running things now. He’s not a compromiser. I suspect he’s playing with amnesty for show. When it comes to results, Scott does what his base wants and doesn’t back down.

xuyee on November 22, 2013 at 10:17 PMs

This + 1000.

Throat Wobbler Mangrove on November 23, 2013 at 10:33 AM

Fatso needs a twinkie filter.

NoPain on November 23, 2013 at 11:12 AM

Sometimes people need to be called idiots, and in those situations, it will go over just fine. Nobody likes a pushover.

xblade on November 22, 2013 at 5:28 PM

You can have steely resolve and show that you are serious without using adolescent language.

I had it with Christy when he was berating his constituents during Hurricane Sandy. He said, “Get off the beaches, people. Stop worrying about getting a tan. You can get a tan later.”

As if no one was taking the situation seriously–or too dumb to realize there was a danger.

I hope Scott Walker doesn’t turn out to be as liberal on some issues as Christie is.

Skidd on November 23, 2013 at 9:57 PM

Walker has been tested more than Christie and the latter has shown a number of unreliable traits. Christie is also too fractious and likely to alienate those who might otherwise support him. A bit of a McCain-in-training.

It’s early days and there may be a series of good candidates to consider.

virgo on November 24, 2013 at 3:28 AM