Kaiser poll: Approval of ObamaCare falls to … 33%

posted at 2:41 pm on November 22, 2013 by Allahpundit

A lower number than most polls, but not all. That ruinous CBS survey from a few days ago pegged support for O-Care at a breezy 31/61. Kaiser’s not quite that bad — they’ve got it at 33/49 — but the 16-point spread is the largest in two years.

Not only that, but click and scroll through their various graphs and the thing that jumps out at you is how stable Kaiser’s numbers on ObamaCare have been over time. There’s an occasional spike or dip, but since the law passed in March 2010, they’ve had opposition pegged fairly consistently at 3-5 points ahead of support. As recently as September, the split was 39/43. Then, the deluge:

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No mystery as to who’s primarily responsible for the cratering. Democrats are doing their best to boost Obama and his boondoggle, but even some of them can only take so much deceit and incompetence. Blue line is Dems, red line is independents, gray line is GOP:

k2

Note that those October numbers weren’t taken on October 1st, before the country had realized what a disaster Healthcare.gov was. They were taken between October 17th and 23rd, three weeks after launch and around the time that more reports on rate shock and plan cancellations were filling the media. (Fun fact: Right now, per Kaiser, more people say the media is biased against the law than towards it. That’s how negative the coverage has, necessarily, been over the past six weeks.) And still, despite all of that, Democratic support for ObamaCare actually increased between late September and late October. They stuck with him in circle-the-wagons mode as long as they could, but something changed between October 23rd and mid-November. Either they gave up on him and Sebelius ever getting their act together on repairing the website or the plain fact that O lied his ass off for years about people being able to keep their plans broke some bond of trust.

Here’s what RCP’s average of polls on ObamaCare looks like since the beginning of October. Again, support for the law stays reasonably steady for much longer than you’d think given the endless humiliating stories about website failures that ran throughout the last month.

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The spread remains consistent at 10-11 points — until a week or so ago, when the lines start to pull apart. I’m not sure why. Maybe it was just the cumulative effect of everything or maybe Obama’s shinola-eating press conference about his “fix” to canceled plans finally convinced people either that he doesn’t know what he’s doing or that he really was caught in a giant lie that sheepishly had to be undone somehow. In hindsight, giving that presser might have been a bad idea.

In lieu of an exit question, go look at the Kaiser graph being showcased by WaPo, indicating that a plurality of the public — 41 percent — expects that ObamaCare will have no impact on them or their family. That’s a reasonable assumption if you don’t know much about the law and think that the disruption will be limited to consumers in the individual insurance market. It won’t be once (if?) the employer mandate goes into effect next year. What’ll the numbers look like next November once millions more people realize this isn’t some other guy’s problem?


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The Commie must disassociate himself from RepubliCare.

OhEssYouCowboys on November 22, 2013 at 2:43 PM

Still too high…

albill on November 22, 2013 at 2:44 PM

************ IceBerg Ahoy — Dead Ahead *************!!

canopfor on November 22, 2013 at 2:46 PM

Thought it said Kaiser roll and had to look…(Dang low carb diet.)

I agree…Still to high. But as we say here in the school system (usually anticipating something bad/stupid to happen) Wait. For. It!

Battlecruiser-operational on November 22, 2013 at 2:47 PM

Presidential wise you know he could go down as the little commie that pounded sand. Only not very well.

onomo on November 22, 2013 at 2:47 PM

Music for his poll numbers.

Oldnuke on November 22, 2013 at 2:48 PM

Comprehensive immigration reform will save social security, medicare and obamacare so let’s get it done!!!!

Wigglesworth on November 22, 2013 at 2:48 PM

I mean too high…Sheesh. (Gotta represent!)

Battlecruiser-operational on November 22, 2013 at 2:48 PM

What’ll the numbers look like next November once millions more people realize this isn’t some other guy’s problem?

What’ll the numbers look like when Obama fails to have a fully functional website by 30 November? If the website is still FUBAR by 15 December? 1 January? I’m not saying the website will be perpetually broken but the reality is that Obama made a date specific promise that the website is up and completely running. that deadline is a week from tomorrow. Think they’ll make it?

Happy Nomad on November 22, 2013 at 2:49 PM

Faster, please!

22044 on November 22, 2013 at 2:51 PM

************ IceBerg Ahoy — Dead Ahead *************!!

canopfor on November 22, 2013 at 2:46 PM

Except, in this case, the Titanic expected the iceberg to get out of the way.

Happy Nomad on November 22, 2013 at 2:51 PM

Iceberg, what iceberg?? !!!

hillsoftx on November 22, 2013 at 2:52 PM

Me thinks that after the discussion at the family Thanksgiving dinner table on the disaster of ObamaCare, Obama’s numbers will go down further:
Grandma: “How much more will I have to pay? Don’t get to keep my doctor? I didn’t know that!”
Grandpa: “And we got a notice that our insurance has been cancelled.”
Aunt: “Your insurance rates went up how much?”
Uncle: “I now have maternity insurance, but they won’t cover my hearing aid”.
Cousin: “If we get a divorce we will save several thousand each year”.
Sister-in-Law: “Obama promised we could keep our plans and our rates would go down”
All together: “Obama lied!!!!”

Waiting for Obama to issue an executive order banning this year’s Thanksgiving…

albill on November 22, 2013 at 2:52 PM

Over more than 3 years of polling the “don’t knows” have trended gradually but pretty steadily upward. If you slap a trend line on there it would show about 8-9 point up. I reckon most of the “not sure” growth comes at the expense of the support rather than oppose category.

forest on November 22, 2013 at 2:53 PM

The idiots who voted for him should be publically shamed. You can check in anytime you like, but you can never leave.

RovesChins on November 22, 2013 at 2:53 PM

I’m willing to admit that 1/3 of the general populace is stupid. I see that every day.

But who are these 7% of Republicans? It’s too easy to dismiss a number like that but that’s one of every 14 people saying not that they are independent but that they fully self-identify as supporting the GOP over this corrupt administration and then going “derp” when being asked the Obamacare question. These must be McCain’s core constituents, though I didn’t know he had as much as 7% of Arizona behind him, let alone nationally.

Gingotts on November 22, 2013 at 2:53 PM

Well at least Obama’s approval rating with prostitutes is at an all time high.

Wigglesworth on November 22, 2013 at 2:53 PM

Kaiser poll: Approval of ObamaCare falls to … 33%

You could say Obama’s on a Kaiser roll.

whatcat on November 22, 2013 at 2:54 PM

I’ll do my part.

Hey pollsters. Can you see the giant Middle Finger I’m holding up??

ToddPA on November 22, 2013 at 2:54 PM

YEah, but ACA’s approval rating is at 53%
/

El_Terrible on November 22, 2013 at 2:54 PM

If only there was some way to ask “why” approval of obamacare is plummeting. Isn’t it likely to be plummeting because the gravy train isn’t working yet?

happytobehere on November 22, 2013 at 2:55 PM

Ouch

Wolfie? Going to say something?

cmsinaz on November 22, 2013 at 2:55 PM

Heh

Schadenfreude on November 22, 2013 at 2:56 PM

What’s going to change the dynamic for Zero and ZeroCare? The only stories I’d expect to see are negative ones, unless they get the part of 404Care.gov that is built to work in November. But that’ll be short-lived and all those coming stories that will keep the news cycle going are really negative stories. Cancellations, doctors who you can’t see anymore, hospitals that suddenly want your credit card number and escalating doctor shortages for everyone….. The news cycle is going to be negative and that’s the reality of it.

MTF on November 22, 2013 at 2:56 PM

Normally I’d be excited about the appalling support for Obamacare but Obama doesn’t give a rat’s arse nor do many Democrats. They sacrificed the House for thus shove down the road to socialism and are probably willing to sacrifice the Senate too if they believe the GOP will be too feckless to actually try to repeal it.

The history of the GOP is one of repeated failure to roll back the welfare state. As a matter of fact they enable its expansion more often than not.

The only way to repeal this abomination to liberty is to not only defeat the Democrats but to also defeat the RINOs starting with Mitch McConnell.

I also very strongly believe in the approach so well laid out in Mark Levin’s book The Liberty Amendments.

Charlemagne on November 22, 2013 at 2:57 PM

obama, in his perfection

Schadenfreude on November 22, 2013 at 2:57 PM

The graphs depress me. Look how unaffected the so-called “independents” are, the red line in graph #2. It’s mind boggling that there is no statistically significant effect.

philw1776 on November 22, 2013 at 2:58 PM

The spread remains consistent at 10-11 points — until a week or so ago, when the lines start to pull apart. I’m not sure why.

Because it takes times for the older (more favorable) polls to roll off of the RCP average.

besser tot als rot on November 22, 2013 at 2:59 PM

Man of the World

Schadenfreude on November 22, 2013 at 3:00 PM

Charlemagne on November 22, 2013 at 2:57 PM

Very true.

Wigglesworth on November 22, 2013 at 3:00 PM

Who wants to bet the employer mandate gets pushed back another year? Say around January or February? That gives the public a good 6 months to forget about that particular tidal wave before the elect heats up in the Fall. Now, this is absolutely illegal but so was the first delay and while it will make the whole Rube Goldberg Obamacare contraption implode in 2015, so what? 2014 is the last election Obama is even marginally interested in.

Fred 2 on November 22, 2013 at 3:00 PM

************ IceBerg Ahoy — Dead Ahead *************!!

canopfor on November 22, 2013 at 2:46 PM

That’s no iceberg.

HiJack on November 22, 2013 at 3:01 PM

33% are utter sheepleton.

Schadenfreude on November 22, 2013 at 3:01 PM

Marital Law time….

Oil Can on November 22, 2013 at 3:01 PM

Nice trend

Schadenfreude on November 22, 2013 at 3:02 PM

F.A.I.L. thy name is Obama!

Key West Reader on November 22, 2013 at 3:03 PM

Democrats are doing their best to boost Obama and his boondoggle, but even some of them can only take so much deceit and incompetence.

All you rats, go to Hell with your leader, you utter fools.

Schadenfreude on November 22, 2013 at 3:03 PM

You could say Obama’s on a Kaiser roll.

whatcat on November 22, 2013 at 2:54 PM

Try the Rye or the Kaiser.

22044 on November 22, 2013 at 3:04 PM

The spread remains consistent at 10-11 points — until a week or so ago, when the lines start to pull apart. I’m not sure why.

That’s when the suit was exposed to have NO emperor and the emperor was exposed to be nakid.

Even the foolish American people, in the majority, got it.

Not much X-mas shopping when obama’care’ will consume you.

Schadenfreude on November 22, 2013 at 3:05 PM

The news cycle is going to be negative and that’s the reality of it.

MTF on November 22, 2013 at 2:56 PM

And I expect even more stories about how people registered but then forgot to send in payment by Dec 15th, so they really DON’T have coverage… but won’t find out until after they’re in the hospital and bills for $10s of thousands of dollars start rolling in.

Then there are the re-calculated rates in summer for the death spiral pools that don’t have enough healthy members.

There there are the 10s of MILLIONS of cancellations and rate hikes for the employer group plans in the fall.

And then there is the bloodbath elections that signal the end of the Democrat party in November.

Unless they truly abandon ship and start begging Republicans for repeal!

Obamacare really is the gift that keeps on giving…

dominigan on November 22, 2013 at 3:05 PM

In lieu of an exit question, go look at the Kaiser graph being showcased by WaPo, indicating that a plurality of the public — 41 percent — expects that ObamaCare will have no impact on them or their family.

Easy answer, People expect no personal change because they have been on Medicare/Medicade or VA.

Those people should look to their children and other family members before settling into complacency.

FOWG1 on November 22, 2013 at 3:05 PM

Try the Rye or the Kaiser.

22044 on November 22, 2013 at 3:04 PM

Sure – rye not?

whatcat on November 22, 2013 at 3:05 PM

You could say Obama’s on a Kaiser roll.

whatcat on November 22, 2013 at 2:54 PM

He’s a nakid Kaiser.

Schadenfreude on November 22, 2013 at 3:05 PM

In lieu of an exit question, go look at the Kaiser graph being showcased by WaPo, indicating that a plurality of the public — 41 percent — expects that ObamaCare will have no impact on them or their family.


Cognitive dissonance
– psychological conflict resulting from incongruous beliefs and attitudes held simultaneously.

AP has the most striking case of it among the Hot Air editors. The proof is the ironic example he could have also referenced from the WaPo article.

The new poll shows 43 percent think it will make the country worse off — a new high — while 34 percent think it will make the country better off.


Cognitive dissonance
is a also an indicator of high stress levels; whether in individuals or a society.

They stuck with him in circle-the-wagons mode as long as they could, but something changed between October 23rd and mid-November.

.
Reality struck.

Reality bites.

You will deny reality will effect YOU while at the same time you acknowledge it will effect everyone ELSE.

For a President with NPD, reality is crushing his preening ego – a nervous breakdown may already be unfolding. The physical gauntness apparent in his appearance and his diminished demeanor would be consistent with a breakdown.

Many Senators and Congresspersons could return from the holidays looking just as bad. They are NOT going to like what they hear when they are home for the holidays.

PolAgnostic on November 22, 2013 at 3:05 PM

Had the O Care discussion at the VFW a short while ago. A younger married Vet said her family premiums are going up to $600 a month from $425 and her deductible almost doubled. She is not happy.

The pain has just started and moving the roll out another month for the employer mandate is not going to help the Dems in November 2014.

Johnnyreb on November 22, 2013 at 3:06 PM

If only there was some way to ask “why” approval of obamacare is plummeting. Isn’t it likely to be plummeting because the gravy train isn’t working yet?

happytobehere on November 22, 2013 at 2:55 PM

When this gravy train really starts rolling, the the general public sees that they’re paying a lot more for the rancid crap that’s replacing their relatively satisfactory old system … no, ObamaCare won’t be better loved

krome on November 22, 2013 at 3:06 PM

Easy answer, People expect no personal change because they have been on Medicare/Medicade or VA.

Those people should look to their children and other family members before settling into complacency.

FOWG1 on November 22, 2013 at 3:05 PM

And all those people experience shock when, as new Medicare/Medicaid recipients, they can’t find any doctors that will take them on as new patients…

dominigan on November 22, 2013 at 3:07 PM

What’ll the numbers look like next November once millions more people realize this isn’t some other guy’s problem?

…and that they lost their jobs and ins. coverage due to obama himself.

May all who voted for the travesty be politically pitchforked, with zero exceptions. Go to Hell with obama, you utter incompetent fools. He is taking you down and you all deserve to drown in his latrine. He’s been feeding you his sh*t and you mistook it for Beluga caviar.

Laughing at the media first, the Ds in DC second and the trolls third.

Schadenfreude on November 22, 2013 at 3:08 PM

It’s all so bad…..and it’s all so good. Hope zero goes to zero and MSM scrambles for any distraction. Nothing this president has done is good. Even killing bin laden was not his choice but he got to ride the wave and had the stones to take the glory.

jaywemm on November 22, 2013 at 3:08 PM

Don’t tase Obamacare me bro!

Oil Can on November 22, 2013 at 3:11 PM

I just have to wonder who the morons are who approve of ObamaCare. Surely there aren’t that many (33%) that are now on Medicaid?

The Democratic base is obviously brain damaged and have no business voting.

Adjoran on November 22, 2013 at 3:13 PM

I’m willing to admit that 1/3 of the general populace is stupid. I see that every day.

But who are these 7% of Republicans?

Gingotts on November 22, 2013 at 2:53 PM

They’re either:

a) on some kind of “public assistance,” or:
b) afraid to be accused of racism if they say they don’t see the naked emperor’s new clothes.

UltimateBob on November 22, 2013 at 3:14 PM

Dictators don’t care about poll numbers.

Obama is doing anything he wants and no one to stop him……

I doubt the Republicans will roll anything back IF they ever
get power again……

redguy on November 22, 2013 at 3:15 PM

Go and take a look at MSNBC, they are still claiming that only a tiny fraction of health plans are being cancelled where people will need to pay more in premiums.

Johnnyreb on November 22, 2013 at 3:16 PM

That’s a reasonable assumption if you don’t know much about the law and think that the disruption will be limited to consumers in the individual insurance market. It won’t be once (if?) the employer mandate goes into effect next year.

-AP

Not really. Group plan premiums are going up to. Mine went up more than 100%

stvnscott on November 22, 2013 at 3:19 PM

I didn’t realize our country had so many hookers:

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/hookers-for-obama-prostitutes-sing-obamacares-praises/

GOPRanknFile on November 22, 2013 at 3:19 PM

A simple little plan: REPEAL, IMPEACH, PROSECUTE, AND VOTE every Democrat out of every office that they infest in the U.S.!

Marco on November 22, 2013 at 3:21 PM

I suspect a denial bias was in effect here. The first few weeks of the disaster were met by Democrats saying, that’s just the evil Republicans attacking our man obama, mr. perfect. And of course mainstream media always targets liberals and the black man.

But a few weeks in the reality was no longer deniable. They began to be convinced, a la that liberal blogger over at Cos who saw first hand o-care hurting his friends, that the pogrom was a disaster.

paul1149 on November 22, 2013 at 3:24 PM

…Does it really matter?

The stupid f@$@@# morons that are half the country are just going to vote in Hillary. And as long as they keep giving the Dems power, they will never allow the law to be repealed.

A sizable portion of my countrymen can go to hell.

/Yes, really f@#@$@# cynical

Hawkins1701 on November 22, 2013 at 3:28 PM

If only there was some way to ask “why” approval of obamacare is plummeting. Isn’t it likely to be plummeting because the gravy train isn’t working yet?

happytobehere on November 22, 2013 at 2:55 PM

No, I don’t think so. It’s more that the public was promised a gravy train and was obviously lied to.

Furthermore, there is no chance a “gravy train” can get working in this case – it can’t. Even if the Obamacare website worked fine and dandy, people’s health insurance would still be cancelled en masse with no real replacements. The only way Obama would be able to get the gravy train rolling would be to implement single payer, and it’s clear the government simply isn’t competent enough or capable of actually doing this.

I do understand your cynicism and Americans might well be mad because the gravy train hasn’t rolled, but since it can’t roll, they will probably stay mad.

Doomberg on November 22, 2013 at 3:34 PM

33%? Thats below his base number.

Looks like ObamaCare has broken through the race barrier.

BobMbx on November 22, 2013 at 3:40 PM

33%…too high.

Redford on November 22, 2013 at 3:45 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzDl8nL_TZw

Fitting I think :)

Scrumpy on November 22, 2013 at 3:49 PM

What’ll the numbers look like next November once millions more people realize this isn’t some other guy’s problem?

It won’t happen; they will *not* let that other shoe drop before the election, bank on it. They’ll come up with some transparent way to put off that pain from even entering the public awareness until after the polls close.

won’t save them from 2016 perhaps, but it’ll give them another two years of dictatorial rule via the WH and Senate

Midas on November 22, 2013 at 3:59 PM

Waiting for Obama to issue an executive order banning this year’s Thanksgiving…
albill on November 22, 2013 at 2:52 PM

Didn’t Lincoln declare Thanksgiving a national holiday? And, didn’t Obama just snub speaking at the Gettysburg anniversary? I’d say Lincoln is getting his revenge from the grave.

txhsmom on November 22, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Midas on November 22, 2013 at 3:59 PM

All the Dems can do is delay the employer mandate, but that may actually make it worse for them when businesses realize they don’t have to subsidize insurance or pay the penalty.

txhsmom on November 22, 2013 at 4:20 PM

33% of this country have just proven that they are freakin morons!

neyney on November 22, 2013 at 4:30 PM

The idiots who voted for him should be publically shamed. You can check in anytime you like, but you can never leave.

RovesChins on November 22, 2013 at 2:53 PM

Don’t you remember that in 2008 actual children wanted their parents to vote for Obama?! How could you shame somebody who voted on behalf of their kids?!?

The Nerve on November 22, 2013 at 4:49 PM

The graphs depress me. Look how unaffected the so-called “independents” are, the red line in graph #2. It’s mind boggling that there is no statistically significant effect.

philw1776 on November 22, 2013 at 2:58 PM

Don’t worry – the Obamasite and ACA debacles shown this administration to be so incompetent that more failures are inevitable. Theo nly question to me is ‘What next?’ Goooooooood question. We should continue looking but also, keep looking at the present and the past. The part in Obama’s 2nd term being the behavior he exhibited during the shutdown. It was really retarded and we didn’t hammer him enough on it.

The Nerve on November 22, 2013 at 5:00 PM

They’re either:

a) on some kind of “public assistance,” or:
b) afraid to be accused of racism if they say they don’t see the naked emperor’s new clothes.

UltimateBob on November 22, 2013 at 3:14 PM

Or c) they weren’t Republicans, they were Dems trying to poison the survey results.

iurockhead on November 22, 2013 at 5:08 PM

What a surprise, lie to people for 5 years, yank the coverage they liked from them, replace it with nothing or something completely unaffordable or throw them on medicaid, wast millions of taxpayer dollars on IT people without the proper skills, give special deals to unions and congress staff…what’s not to like? Most dishonest and underhanded administration EVER. And what is worse than that? They could care less.

scalleywag on November 22, 2013 at 5:19 PM

As to the doctor problem it is easy.

the MSM will start running stories about how rich certain doctors are, their lifestyle, and that they cut feet off for $30K. Then lots of stories about how the poor can’t get doctors to see them when they get a sniffle. Fully expect lots of poor little kids without care or long wait times. All to make the doctors look bad and make sure the train wreck of cACA Obama Care is not blamed.

Then some common sense legislation to ease the burden of the CHILDREEEEEEN. Expect the insurance companies to jump on this so they don’t get in the gun sights of the democrat propaganda machine. Finally the AMA will come out for common sense legislation for doctors.

Then the “Doctor Freedom and Fairness Act” is coming out of the senate. Might have to change the rules for this one because…POOR…CHILDREN too.

In the end it will pass that in any given area a doctor must take on medicaid, Obama Care people at the same percentages as the population is regardless of the cost or losses because RICH…FAIR!!

The doctors will quit and then WE NEED IMMIGRATION REFORM FOR THIRD WORLD DOCTORS TO SAVE THE DAY.

This will be what the donks run on leading into 2016.

jukin3 on November 22, 2013 at 5:27 PM

“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that” — George Carlin

dont taze me bro on November 22, 2013 at 5:33 PM

Sheesh…wtf is wrong with that 33%?

I know, I know…Obama worship….

ProfShadow on November 22, 2013 at 6:05 PM

How low can you go?

Dhuka on November 22, 2013 at 6:06 PM

Don’t you remember that in 2008 actual children wanted their parents to vote for Obama?! How could you shame somebody who voted on behalf of their kids?!?

The Nerve on November 22, 2013 at 4:49 PM

Obama ‘Biography’, Required Reading, Tells Fourth-Graders That White Americans are Racists

slickwillie2001 on November 22, 2013 at 6:14 PM

There’s a reason why this wasn’t scheduled to go into effect until this year. They knew this was coming, just not how bad it could get.

flataffect on November 22, 2013 at 10:36 PM