Seattle’s newest councilmember urges Boeing workers to seize factories

posted at 10:41 am on November 21, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Here’s the inevitable follow-up on the election of a Socialist to the Seattle City Council — although perhaps sooner than anyone would have thought.  Boeing has tried working for years with its unions in the state of Washington, but still cannot reach agreements on labor contracts for its manufacturing facilities.  The aerospace giant has looked for other regions in the US to build its planes, which has angered the unions and the Obama administration. It’s also provided an opportunity for Seattle’s newest councilmember to launch her anti-capitalist agenda, and she’s wasted no time in doing so … even before officially taking office:

Seattle City Councilmember-elect Kshama Sawant told Boeing machinists her idea of a radical option, should their jobs be moved out of state

“The workers should take over the factories, and shut down Boeing’s profit-making machine,” Sawant announced to a cheering crowd of union supporters in Seattle’s Westlake Park Monday night. …

On Monday night, she spoke to supporters of Boeing Machinists, six days after they rejected a contract guaranteeing jobs in Everett building the new 777X airliner for eight years, in exchange for new workers giving up their guaranteed company pensions.

Now Boeing is threatening to take those jobs to other states. “That will be nothing short of economic terrorism because it’s going to devastate the state’s economy,” she said.

So what wouldn’t be “economic terrorism”? Seizing the company’s property, of course:

Sawant is calling for machinists to literally take-possession of the Everett airplane-building factory, if Boeing moves out. She calls that “democratic ownership.”

“The only response we can have if Boeing executives do not agree to keep the plant here is for the machinists to say the machines are here, the workers are here, we will do the job, we don’t need the executives. The executives don’t do the work, the machinists do,” she said.

Well, Seattle voters elected her, so they get what they deserve, but perhaps we should point out a couple of inconvenient realities for Sawant.  The machinists don’t own the plants, but that’s only just the beginning.  Unless the machinists own the designs, they can’t build the planes unless licensed by those who do.  And where will they get the raw materials with which to build the planes? Who pays for the energy necessary to operate the machines?

That’s not to say that the machinists can’t build their own planes, of course.  They could open up their own business, design their own planes, and build planes themselves, but they’ll need to find an awful lot of capital with which to do it.  That means they’d still have to deal with executive management imposed by the VC sources and labor cost controls, which would certainly include getting rid of any notion of defined-benefit pension systems.  Then they’d need to compete on price in order to sell the planes, and find people willing to buy them at all when Boeing is still producing proven models in South Carolina.

That is “democratic ownership.” What Sawant demands is outright theft, and we’ve seen the results of it from China to Russia to Venezuela and Zimbabwe.

Besides, Sawant doesn’t want machinists to build planes anyway:

“We can re-tool the machines to produce mass transit like buses, instead of destructive, you know, war machines,” she told KIRO 7.

War machines? Boeing wants to build another series of commercial airliners.  When KIRO informed Sawant of that, she replied that she was was “referring to drones when speaking of war machines.”

Hey, Seattle … you elected her. Have fun. The rest of certainly will … at your expense.


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She’s right. They should throw Boeing out and get their own contracts. I’m sure Boeing would let them have the buildings at fair market value, and then Boeing could take their piddly unions busting business elsewhere.

Then the unions could run a business like it should be run. All the way from start up money, to contract negotiations for airplanes, to negotiations with labor.

Go for it. Show us how it’s done.

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oldroy on November 21, 2013 at 1:41 PM

O K Boing, move your entire business, lock stock, and barrel to the Carolina’s.
Leave the empty buildings behind and let and let the so called “workers” have the F’n place.
Screw them all !!!!!

Delsa on November 21, 2013 at 1:42 PM

Well, Seattle voters elected her, so they get what they deserve, but perhaps we should point out a couple of inconvenient realities for Sawant. The machinists don’t own the plants, but that’s only just the beginning. Unless the machinists own the designs, they can’t build the planes unless licensed by those who do. And where will they get the raw materials with which to build the planes? Who pays for the energy necessary to operate the machines?

If liberals looked beyond the nose on their face we wouldn’t have Obamacare. Reason and planning are out of their reach.

cajunpatriot on November 21, 2013 at 1:54 PM

She is Obama in a dress. They and those responsible for electing them to office are Very Dangerous!

Delsa on November 21, 2013 at 2:01 PM

So the danger here isn’t that she’s a Socialist (possibly full-blown Communist) but that she’s an out-and-out moron.

Queasy on November 21, 2013 at 2:13 PM

“The only response we can have if Boeing executives do not agree to keep the plant here is for the machinists to say the machines are here, the workers are here, we will do the job, we don’t need the executives. The executives don’t do the work, the machinists do,” she said.

Well then, seeing as how city employees do all the work, and the taxpayers do all the work to provide the funding for the city employees to do their work, then we don’t really need the city “executives”- the mayor and all the councilmembers. Gee, thanks Kshama! Don’t let the door hit you on your Commie ass on the way out……

djm1992 on November 21, 2013 at 2:13 PM

War machines? Boeing wants to build another series of commercial airliners. When KIRO informed Sawant of that, she replied that she was was “referring to drones when speaking of war machines.”
So funny it’s painful.

There Goes the Neighborhood on November 21, 2013 at 1:23 PM

The left-wing peaceniks are so incredibly stupid it’s funny and sad at the same time.
A few weeks ago we had some protesting at an intersection near the AF base where I work. They had signs talking about how drones kill or some such stupid thing. The base I work at is all space stuff – nothing at all to do with drones or any aircraft of any kind for that matter.
They’re protesting just to protest – they have no clue about any of what they’re protesting.

dentarthurdent on November 21, 2013 at 2:15 PM

Storm the Gates!
Hang the Engineers and Foremen!
More Legroom for Everyone, and a free Samsung!
Mandate 50 MPG per person!
Unlimited Baggage weight!
…huh…..oh…….Just make the wing tanks smaller!

WryTrvllr on November 21, 2013 at 2:20 PM

Perhaps the plant can be retooled to produce nozzles.

Mason on November 21, 2013 at 2:25 PM

Drudge-worthy story.

Show the country what’s said at union rallies and what union members cheer at. Occupy Boeing!

JetBlast on November 21, 2013 at 2:29 PM

Cicero43 on November 21, 2013 at 11:04 AM

Gee, ya think that the little moron even realizes that – since she got herself elected to the City Council – she is a *GASP* Executive herself now?

PJ Emeritus on November 21, 2013 at 2:39 PM

Soooo, Ms idiot Sawant, in a perfect communist utopia where nobody owns anything, would that also apply to your vajayj?
EVERYTHING is community property, right?
So rape would no longer be criminal because “you don’t own that” – so anyone can use it….. dentarthurdent on November 21, 2013 at 11:49 AM

Well, Karl did advocate the abolition of the family resulting in women becoming community property…

Akzed on November 21, 2013 at 2:44 PM

Well, Karl did advocate the abolition of the family resulting in women becoming community property…

Akzed on November 21, 2013 at 2:44 PM

Well there ya go.
Think of how much better off we’ll be with no property rights, and therefore no laws criminalizing rape, theft, robbery, vandalism….
Think of how many fewer criminals we would have. Life would just be all peaceful and wonderful and rainbows and unicorn farts…

dentarthurdent on November 21, 2013 at 2:59 PM

Karl Marx kept a female slave from the time she was 8 years old, eventually using her not only as a servant but as his mistress, never acknowledging his child with her or paying her at all. She waited on him hand and foot while he explained to the world that profit is the stolen surplus value of the laborer. Like so many liberal icons, Marx seldom bathed and left his wife and children in poverty.”

Akzed on November 21, 2013 at 3:03 PM

Marx seldom bathed

Akzed on November 21, 2013 at 3:03 PM

My Dad used to say that he took a shower once a month, whether he needed it or not…

dentarthurdent on November 21, 2013 at 3:07 PM

My Dad used to say that he took a shower once a month, whether he needed it or not… dentarthurdent on November 21, 2013 at 3:07 PM

Did he also ever say anything about not airing the family’s dirty laundry?!

Akzed on November 21, 2013 at 3:15 PM

Heh heh heh heh.

The best disinfectant against idiots like her is to publish her every utterance.

Meremortal on November 21, 2013 at 3:26 PM

Heh heh heh heh.

The best disinfectant against idiots like her is to publish her every utterance.

Meremortal on November 21, 2013 at 3:26 PM

Her voters can’t read.

WryTrvllr on November 21, 2013 at 3:33 PM

The best disinfectant against idiots like her is to publish her every utterance.

…and her home address.

Another Drew on November 21, 2013 at 3:45 PM

Did he also ever say anything about not airing the family’s dirty laundry?!

Akzed on November 21, 2013 at 3:15 PM

No, but he had a good but weird, and crude sense of humor about a lot of things. He spent many years out to sea on Coast Guard Cutters and weather research ships – hence the joke about showering – decades ago, you didn’t get to bathe very often when out to sea.
He was typically the ship’s cartoonist (unofficial additional duty of course) doing regular bits to entertain the crew.
And he died last year, so I try to keep some of his better material going. (that was probably not one of his better ones, but one he liked to use a lot)

dentarthurdent on November 21, 2013 at 3:46 PM

Yeah, this is what Little Nickie Maduro is doing down Caracas-way.

And look how well things are going for the Venezuelans.

These little commies, fascists and socialists are so sure of themselves; right up until the moment that their ideas go pile-driving into the ground under the weight of economic gravity.

dissent555 on November 21, 2013 at 3:48 PM

Sawant was born to Vasundhara and H. T. Ramanujam in Pune, India in a middle class family of the Brahmin caste.

Speaks volumes.

Murphy9 on November 21, 2013 at 3:54 PM

dissent555 on November 21, 2013 at 3:48 PM

And you just know 0barky is wrought with envy over what Maduro is doing.
I kind of wonder if they have a little contest going as to who can bankrupt and destroy their own country fastest.

dentarthurdent on November 21, 2013 at 3:58 PM

Heh heh heh heh.

The best disinfectant against idiots like her is to publish her every utterance.

Meremortal on November 21, 2013 at 3:26 PM

Her voters can’t read.

WryTrvllr on November 21, 2013 at 3:33 PM

The Democratics will agree with her. This is the result of thirty years of progressive control of K-12.

slickwillie2001 on November 21, 2013 at 4:00 PM

Going to be interesting watching that huge Boeing complex turn into Starnesville isn’t it? I wonder if Boeing is rethinking that decision to relocate to Chicago instead of Plano.

DanMan on November 21, 2013 at 4:58 PM

Soooo, Ms idiot Sawant, in a perfect communist utopia where nobody owns anything, would that also apply to your vajayj?
EVERYTHING is community property, right?
So rape would no longer be criminal because “you don’t own that” – so anyone can use it….. dentarthurdent on November 21, 2013 at 11:49 AM

Pass…

http://cdn.dailyuw.com/sites/default/files/images/131028_AS_KshamaSawant_WEB.full.jpg

funkengruven on November 21, 2013 at 5:24 PM

Pass…

http://cdn.dailyuw.com/sites/default/files/images/131028_AS_KshamaSawant_WEB.full.jpg

funkengruven on November 21, 2013 at 5:24 PM

Well I wouldn’t want any of it.
But I’m sure there are some occupiers out there that would use it….

dentarthurdent on November 21, 2013 at 5:42 PM

She’s an idiot Sawant.

And stuck on stupid, as apparently is Seattle. Meh, look at me; I’m in NYC.

Rixon on November 21, 2013 at 5:46 PM

If they take over the plant, I sure would like to be there on the first pay day. Where do they think their checks will come from…the union? LOL!

jeanneb on November 21, 2013 at 5:50 PM

“The workers should take over the factories, and shut down Boeing’s profit-making machine,” Sawant announced to a cheering crowd of union supporters

“The sailors should take over the ship, and tear out the hull of the profit-making merchant vessel.”

Of course, they would sink, and drown. But they would make their point!

iurockhead on November 21, 2013 at 6:24 PM

I wonder what kind of house Ms. Sawant lives in. If it’s nicer than mine, I think it’s only fair she give it to me.

No, wait. If it’s in Seattle, I’m not interested.

RebeccaH on November 21, 2013 at 6:29 PM

three words..

Detroit Detroit Detroit…

please go ahead and make Seattle the new Detroit…
union run….liberally controlled….
it will work out just fine for you all…..honest…

going2mars on November 21, 2013 at 6:41 PM

Seattle’s newest councilmember urges Boeing workers to seize factories

I wish they would. It would be amusing to see them milling around for a few months without pay and then one day realize that they’ve lost their jobs permanently.

But then they’d begin their “funcations” and those still working will have to support them, so I guess they actually would have the last laugh.

Dr. ZhivBlago on November 21, 2013 at 7:21 PM

scary how many comments there agree with her.
yet none of those commentators is willing to start their own a/c factory.
bet once they deal with a lb of paperwork (I have exp. in aircraft mtc records and parts procurement/QC/records) that is req’d for every part on the plane they would wonder wtf they took it over for.

dmacleo on November 21, 2013 at 7:58 PM

She’s only been a citizen for a few years. Seems like there should be a probationary period if during which you call for civil disobedience (or commit a felony)you are put on the first jet back to your country of origin and a bounty is put on your head if you step back into this country.

I like that.

peacenprosperity on November 21, 2013 at 8:24 PM

If they take over the plant, I sure would like to be there on the first pay day. Where do they think their checks will come from…the union? LOL!
jeanneb on November 21, 2013 at 5:50 PM

This could solve Boeings problems with the Labor Board. Let the unions take over all their factories and then just open new ones in right to work states. How could the Marxists on the Labor Board complain? The union workers in one state get to have their own building and citizens in another state get high paying jobs. Everyone is happy!

peacenprosperity on November 21, 2013 at 8:27 PM

Liberalism is the socially acceptable face of mental illness.
Why is that?

Mimzey on November 21, 2013 at 9:23 PM

I was thinking.

Take over the facilities, run Boeing out of town, and then what? (Thomas Sowell question)

Boeing is gone so no more labor contract. No more wages/salary/benefits/retirement. Fend for yourselves you got the means of production.

Suppliers and vendors want to be paid. No Boeing financial resources to fund operations. Fend for yourselves you got the means of production just lack the things to make.

Worse, if Seattle or, more precisely, the State of Washington allowed the seizure, then any other company would have a big incentive to not invest in the State and to move their facilities out of the State as fast as their circumstances allowed. State would be hard pressed to get new investment in. Who wants to put their capital at risk of seizure by others?

Lack of respect for private property rights in Washington state means things go elsewhere as well as the jobs they represent.

And she (and like-minded folks) think things are hard now, well…

Russ808 on November 21, 2013 at 9:33 PM

Liberalism is the socially acceptable face of mental illness.
Why is that?

Mimzey on November 21, 2013 at 9:23 PM

That pyromaniac just really wants you to have a better home. He doesn’t know how you are going to get it, but he’ll take the one you have and destroy it.

Murphy9 on November 21, 2013 at 9:57 PM

Open invitation to Boeing:
Move to Florida you would be welcomed with many incentives, and we have many well qualified experienced machinists from the NE who don’t expect pensions and would be happy to have good jobs here since we have NO income tax and right to work!

Rea1ityCheck on November 21, 2013 at 10:15 PM

I think Obama recruited her from Venezuela.

mobydutch on November 21, 2013 at 10:20 PM

I think Obama recruited her from Venezuela.

mobydutch on November 21, 2013 at 10:20 PM

Obama: “If I had a roll of toilet paper for everybody making that false claim…”

Shy Guy on November 22, 2013 at 12:28 AM

Why in the world is any company still in Washington state? Leave, leave now!

Theophile on November 22, 2013 at 3:59 AM

…because, obviously, companies and corporations come out of f**king nowhere, like magic mushrooms, and, so, it’s, like, totally obvious, that, like, we should totally take them over for, like, the anti-patriarchy, something, like…

thejackal on November 22, 2013 at 5:59 AM

Remind me never to visit Seattle.Our tourism dollars need to go to places where people are not so stupid.New York,too!

redware on November 22, 2013 at 6:52 AM

Way to go Seattle. Drive that nail in your coffin. Now, if Boeing (of which I am a pround employee) needs further justification or reason to move to friendlier economic pastures.

RandallinHerndon on November 22, 2013 at 7:50 AM

Open invitation to Boeing:
Move to Florida you would be welcomed with many incentives, and we have many well qualified experienced machinists from the NE who don’t expect pensions and would be happy to have good jobs here since we have NO income tax and right to work!

Rea1ityCheck on November 21, 2013 at 10:15 PM

A few states west of the Mississippi, but most states south of the Mason-Dixon line are right-to-work states and would be very happy to have Boeing set a final assembly line for multi-million dollar commercial jets in their state.

RandallinHerndon on November 22, 2013 at 8:02 AM

Re-tool just like that to build something else. What an idiot. Memo to Boeing…get out now.

Kissmygrits on November 22, 2013 at 8:07 AM

I would like to further the sentiments of several posters from the article, COME ON MT. RAINIER!!!!

RandallinHerndon on November 22, 2013 at 8:21 AM

Oh DUH! She was obviously educated at Evergreen State! How can a whole city be so full of MORONS? Even living 30 min outside of that place isn’t far enough :(

hopefloats on November 22, 2013 at 9:30 AM

Ed,
It’s not that tough. I grew up in Everett, and the way Boeing built the facilities makes this easy. There’s a big button on one end of the factory that you turn from the airplane picture to the bus picture, and voila, no more war machines!!

dsolle on November 22, 2013 at 11:40 AM

Why in the world is any company still in Washington state? Leave, leave now!
Theophile on November 22, 2013 at 3:59 AM

What do you think Boeing was trying to do when opening a plant in South Carolina? That was just going to be the start of a move and the Labor Board and Obama got wind of it and the fascists went into action. We no longer live in a free country.

peacenprosperity on November 22, 2013 at 1:42 PM

Progressivism taken to its natural conclusion. Who knew? How much fun is this? Is this a great country or what?

Maybe Boeing machinists should aim a little lower and take over one of these plants first:
http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/210129/here-are-the-winning-ideas-in-the-bill-gates-condom-contest/

Kshama can get a job in R&D. And they all lived happily ever after. The end.

NoPain on November 22, 2013 at 2:01 PM

Ayn Rand saw this coming. No more planes.

We’ll be using trains only in 20 years.

fossten on November 22, 2013 at 10:27 PM

Boeing should be building unicorns.

shorebird on November 22, 2013 at 11:41 PM

Nothing more delightful than watching Progressivism in action.

pgrossjr on November 23, 2013 at 8:04 AM

Drudge-worthy story.

Show the country what’s said at union rallies and what union members cheer at. Occupy Boeing!

JetBlast on November 21, 2013 at 2:29 PM

Half the time union rallies are fleshed out by illegals who can’t read the signs they’re holding and are paid to stand there. Not unlike the ubiquitous “backdrop” of women, minorities, or “doctors” in their white lab coats favored by our Big Bro when, sleeves rolled up, he hops up the steps to the podium to read whatever scrolls by on the teleprompter. . .

tpitman on November 23, 2013 at 8:33 AM

“We can re-tool the machines to produce mass transit like buses, instead of destructive, you know, war machines,” she told KIRO 7.

The stupid, it hurts.

Count to 10 on November 23, 2013 at 9:38 AM

Many people have moved from California to Seattle over the last several decades.

Freddy on November 24, 2013 at 2:01 PM

Ed,

Just playing along here (the impossibility of the workers taking over the plant and producing the aircraft)…

1. Shouldn’t you mention that Boeing would have grounds for theft of intellectual property? Building a plane on Boeing’s plans without being Boeing means the rogue plant would be shut down forcibly, and fines incurred.

2. Who then takes over local management? Someone has to decide who will work which job and which shift. Someone has to decide how much employees are paid when it’s time for raises, retirement, and new hires, or is everyone paid the same? I can guarantee that there isn’t a single union member willing to take ‘equal pay for equal labor’ when they’ve been there for >5 years and some youngun’ comes along willing to work for peanuts because they don’t have a mortgage, kids or a wife to pay for. Someone has to make design, repair and logistics decisions. Someone has to promote the product to buyers and make decisions on how to advertise “their” product…or is everything done democratically by vote? Someone has to contract with 3rd party vendors that produce, because contrary to (apparently) Sawant’s belief, that plant is not a self-contained environment capable of constructing from raw materials, everything that goes on that plane (engines, seat covers, instruments, toilets, environment processing, etc.).

Beyond being a moron, Sawant hasn’t heard Milton Friedman’s The Pencil, has she?

Geministorm on November 25, 2013 at 2:46 PM

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