New GOP strategy on ObamaCare: Let it burn

posted at 10:01 am on November 21, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

After the government shutdown over ObamaCare fizzled in mid-October, people wondered whether the GOP would try the same strategy again in early 2014 to force an end to the ACA.  The Hill reports that the House and Senate Republican caucuses are now united in dumping that strategy.  Instead, the GOP will simply allow ObamaCare to unfold as Democrats planned:

Republican lawmakers who pushed the government shutdown to stop ObamaCare say their new plan is to sit back and watch the law self-destruct.

Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) and other Tea Party allies of Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) say the threat of a shutdown is no longer necessary to defund the Affordable Care Act (ACA) now that the administration’s rollout is flailing.

While Cruz is not ruling out another attempt to use government funding as leverage, his allies think they already have the political support they need to repeal the healthcare reform law.

“Leverage is building every day,” said Lee. “It won’t necessarily require us to rely on using the [continuing resolution].”

This is a smart move, albeit grounded in a couple of political realities.  First, Senate Democrats aren’t going to get bullied by Republicans into defunding ObamaCare, as the first shutdown proved.  Second, an attempt by Capitol Hill Republicans to force that outcome initially distracted from the unfolding disaster of ObamaCare. That’s the last thing Republicans want now, with a full-blown feeding frenzy on the ACA.  Why step in front of Democrats and give the media that kind of distraction?

Besides, the news will get worse for Democrats as the year unfolds anyway.  National Journal’s Sam Baker notes (as I have several times) that the decision to delay the employer mandate until 2015 means that the pain of the transition will happen right before the midterms. This may turn out to be the single worst political decision Barack Obama ever made, although Baker is a little more sanguine:

And that’s not the only political threat lurking just ahead of the 2014 midterms. The White House also delayed the law’s employer mandate until 2015. That means employers will be deciding in mid- to late 2014 whether they’re going to offer health benefits under the mandate—and whether to cut employees’ hours to avoid providing them with health care. …
Still, although plans will have to be canceled again next October, there are reasons to believe the issue won’t be as damaging as it has been over the past two months. For starters, it’s not clear how many plans will actually be extended for another year. Several states have rejected Obama’s proposal, and insurers aren’t sure whether it’s worth the trouble to resurrect policies they have already canceled.

Consumers whose plans are canceled next year will also have a much easier time finding a replacement. Because HealthCare.gov, the primary Obamacare enrollment website, was functioning so poorly this year, consumers were seeing their plans canceled yet had no easy way to even find out whether they could get tax subsidies to help buy a new policy.

Sure … except that they won’t be getting a similar level of coverage. They will have fewer hospitals and providers to access, and longer wait times to get to them. Many of them won’t get the subsidy from their employer, either, that helped soften the premium costs.  Even if that eventually works out to be something close to a fair trade-off, the transition time will worry and anger voters just as they’re deciding whether to vote for the people who supported ObamaCare or the people who want to get rid of it in favor of smarter reforms. Guess which way they’ll be leaning?

That’s why the “let it burn” strategy is the best option for the GOP. They need to stand firm on opposition but make clear that any problems came from Democratic design and implementation without contributing any potential excuses of obstructionism at this point (although Obama and the Democrats will continue to make the Tinkerbell argument nonetheless).  When this delayed mandate detonates in October 2014, it will take with it any remaining Democratic credibility on governance.


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It does not matter what the Republican strategy is. The deems in the senate (i.e. the Cryptkeeper as someone upthread called him) will not let ANY republican solution or fix to come to a vote.

And if by some miracle, a republican sponsored fix does get through the senate, The Won will not sign it.

Their hubris will be their down fall, but unfortunately, it will cost others their livelihoods and their lives.

esr1951 on November 21, 2013 at 11:48 AM

esr1951 on November 21, 2013 at 11:48 AM

That should read the ‘dems in the senate.’

esr1951 on November 21, 2013 at 11:49 AM

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/republican-alternative-obamacare-gaining-momentum-bills-sponsor-says

Rep. Steve Scalise (R-La.) says increasing access to health care and lowering health care costs are at the heart of his bill that stands as an alternative to Obamacare.”We drafted this bill with a working group of members of the Republican Study Committee, which I chair,” Scalise told Fox News’s Neil Cavuto on Wednesday. He said momentum is building for the American Health Care Reform Act, which is being taken “very seriously.”"It’s a very concise bill. It’s less than 200 pages long. It’s not the 2,700-page bill that Obamacare is,” Scalise said. – See more at: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/republican-alternative-obamacare-gaining-momentum-bills-sponsor-says#sthash.9oJpAnC1.dpuf

melle1228 on November 21, 2013 at 11:49 AM

I agree with this strategy. The american people need to realize that elections have consequences. A majority voted this fool in twice. Conservatives and the GOP warned them about obamacare, but they didn’t wanna hear it. They wanted to talk about Big Bird and the war on women and Romney’s tax returns. So now obamacare is here and the people need to feel the pain.

Jack_Burton on November 21, 2013 at 11:52 AM

I can respect that, but given the gravity of the subject can we please ditch the “let it burn” nonsense.

And getting rid of this piece of shit means that something has to be readied to fill the vacuum. The insurance industry can’t flip a switch on the time machine and go back….even if Obamacare is repealed or overturned by the courts.

ElectricPhase on November 21, 2013 at 11:02 AM

Quit this “ready replacement” nonsense. The Republicans have at least two fine plans ready to go.

Democratics and trolls push the “where’s your plan” meme to derail Republicans. Why should we come up with a monster big-government plan as equally repulsive as Obamacare to replace it?

What we had before Obamacare is better than Obamacare, so job one should be going back to ‘before Obamacare’. Step One IS for insurance companies to flip the switch and go back, that’s the simplest short-term solution.

There are several Republican small-government plans to fix some MINOR problems in our healthcare delivery and insurance business. Here’s just two of them:

HR 2300: Yes, There is a Republican Plan to Replace ObamaCare

HR 3121: The American Healthcare Reform Act

slickwillie2001 on November 21, 2013 at 11:53 AM

what’s to stop Obama from delaying the employer mandate another year?

commodore on November 21, 2013 at 10:59 AM

I agree, I just wish somebody in Congress would sue to Force this CLUSTER of a law not to be postponed.

Patricksp on November 21, 2013 at 11:54 AM

Perhpas the party of let it burn aka the party of no, can offer some real free market alternatives that will actually help the middle class folks who actually pay the bills in this country.

OFFER IDEAS, REPUBLICANS!

Being denied coverage for preexisting conditions (especially infrequent conditions like occasional kidney stones) is the most infuriating aspect of insurance. Solve this problem and you habe won the middle class voter across the board.

rickyricardo on November 21, 2013 at 11:46 AM

READ SOME PAPERS ricky.. Ideas have been offered multiple times.

melle1228 on November 21, 2013 at 11:47 AM

Indeed.

“Recognizing this, the Heritage Foundation last week released a definitive compilation of health-care solutions that make patients the primary decisionmakers. Our commonsense solutions are based on five principles:

Let Americans have total choice and control with regard to their health insurance.

Allow free-market forces, with light regulation, to incentivize insurers and health-care providers to offer affordable and effective health coverage.

Encourage businesses to provide portable health-insurance benefits to their employees.

Help the most vulnerable Americans through the states, non-government organizations, and the free market.

Protect Americans’ right of conscience and unborn children.

Guided by these principles, Heritage health experts outline solutions for dealing with preexisting conditions, helping Americans have continual coverage when they switch jobs, lowering health costs while increasing quality of care, and honoring people’s faith and right of conscience in health-care decisions.

Our solutions include changing the tax treatment of health insurance so that all Americans, not just those getting coverage through work, can benefit from a tax credit to buy private insurance.

We also encourage states to use high-risk pools or reinsurance and risk-transfer mechanisms, so that insurance companies are able to insure patients with preexisting medical issues without risking insolvency. Other cross-state purchasing and pooling mechanisms could help states open up their insurance markets for more customers and increase competition, thereby driving down premiums.

These patient-centered reforms could be extended and enhanced in Medicare, which, under Obamacare, is facing an onslaught of provider cuts and serious threats to access to care. Heritage supports letting doctors and patients contract privately for services. We also encourage a fundamental financing reform that would allow seniors to direct Medicare funds to an approved plan of their choice, while enabling seniors to pocket the savings if they chose a less costly health plan. This would not only stimulate intense competition to control costs, but also spur innovation in the delivery of care and improve health-care quality.

And for poorer and vulnerable Americans, Heritage would transform Medicaid’s federal-state partnership into a new patient-centered system. States would have more freedom to experiment with programs that work better for helping sick and disabled populations. Low-income families that have been pushed into Medicaid by Obamacare would get assistance to buy private coverage, which offers better access to doctors and better health outcomes than Medicaid, as numerous studies have shown.

Finally, Heritage calls for Congress to permanently prohibit the taxpayer funding of abortion services, and for protecting the rights of workers, employers, insurers, health-care providers, and others to refrain from participating in or providing services that violate their consciences.

Taken together, these health-care alternatives would move America in a new direction — away from ever-increasing health-care costs, one-size-fits-all government mandates that force insurance cancellations, stifled economic growth, and suppressed job creation. Instead, the Heritage alternatives would enable Americans to once again have full control of their health-care dollars and decisions, promising a far more effective and dynamic health system.”

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/363189/conservative-alternative-obamacare-nina-owcharenko#!

workingclass artist on November 21, 2013 at 11:55 AM

Seems to be working so far.

Obama’s approvals are in the 30′s. Republicans lead in the Congressional ballot.

sentinelrules on November 21, 2013 at 11:48 AM

You know it’s quite amazing. Not one person has given an example of an imploding law.

You say, ‘it seems to be working’, but republican electoral success isn’t what we are talking about. We are talking about the most effective way to rid the U.S. of Obamacare.

Try to stay focused….

Vanbasten on November 21, 2013 at 11:56 AM

Republicans are not helpless. They control the power of the purse. That is their only leverage, but they refuse to use it. They surrender before ever firing a bullet, thanks to our fellow ‘let it burn’ friends that lend them cover.

Vanbasten on November 21, 2013 at 11:36 AM

Use it for what??? They can’t defund ObamaCare.

Should they threaten some other LibSpaz pet project??

BigWyo on November 21, 2013 at 11:56 AM

melle1228 on November 21, 2013 at 11:49 AM

That’s encouraging.

workingclass artist on November 21, 2013 at 11:56 AM

Why should we come up with a monster big-government plan as equally repulsive as Obamacare to replace it?

slickwillie2001 on November 21, 2013 at 11:53 AM

I think you missed the point.

What happens to people who have responsibly paid into the insurance system for much of their lives, but find themselves uninsurable post death spiral?

ElectricPhase on November 21, 2013 at 11:57 AM

He has a point, though. Show me an example of some liberal creation “imploding”.

ddrintn on November 21, 2013 at 11:04 AM

..your point is conceded. I can only counter by saying, “When have you seen any GOP strategy of ‘helping out the Dems’ that has done other than screw up a wet dream?”

The War Planner on November 21, 2013 at 11:57 AM

ddrintn on November 21, 2013 at 11:04 AM

..I consider this strategy, under the circumstances, similar to the Hippocratic Oath: First, do no harm.

The War Planner on November 21, 2013 at 11:58 AM

And as to the ridiculous notion that Republicans need a “solution” to the healthcare “problem”?

We had one. A free market. And it worked better than any system on Earth.

Republican’s “solution” to the healthcare “problem” should be to tell liberals to STFU, and go hump someone else’s leg for a while.

If we want to have a plan to fix healthcare, here’s two words the left won’t hear, “Tort limits”. Here’s a couple more, “Interstate markets” Healthcare has never been the problem, insurance rates have. Monkey with a free market…that’s what you get.

Liberal ideas demonstrably do not work…time to stop pretending they do. If America insists on suffering miserably to learn that lesson…So be it.

a5minmajor on November 21, 2013 at 12:00 PM

You know it’s quite amazing. Not one person has given an example of an imploding law.

You say, ‘it seems to be working’, but republican electoral success isn’t what we are talking about. We are talking about the most effective way to rid the U.S. of Obamacare.

Try to stay focused….

Vanbasten on November 21, 2013 at 11:56 AM

What’s really amazing is that throughout your snotty comments, you still haven’t managed an answer for this:

So what is your actual solution? The solution is a repeal and we do not have the 2/3 majority in each the House and the Senate to overcome Obama veto of a repeal… We do not even control the Senate and the repeal legislation will die in the Senate like dozens of Obamacare repeal by the House died in the Senate…

mnjg on November 21, 2013 at 10:48 AM

BigWyo on November 21, 2013 at 12:00 PM

What’s really amazing is that throughout your snotty comments, you still haven’t managed an answer for this:

So what is your actual solution? The solution is a repeal and we do not have the 2/3 majority in each the House and the Senate to overcome Obama veto of a repeal… We do not even control the Senate and the repeal legislation will die in the Senate like dozens of Obamacare repeal by the House died in the Senate…

mnjg on November 21, 2013 at 10:48 AM

BigWyo on November 21, 2013 at 12:00 PM

Already answered Big Worm.

Stay focused….

Vanbasten on November 21, 2013 at 12:07 PM

You know it’s quite amazing. Not one person has given an example of an imploding law.

You say, ‘it seems to be working’, but republican electoral success isn’t what we are talking about. We are talking about the most effective way to rid the U.S. of Obamacare.

Try to stay focused….

Vanbasten on November 21, 2013 at 11:56 AM

Spare me your arrogance.

It’s gonna take a GOP Congress and President to do that.

Or litigation in the courts.

sentinelrules on November 21, 2013 at 12:08 PM

I guess I have to ask, what is your definition of an imploding law, Vanbasten?

cptacek on November 21, 2013 at 12:11 PM

Republican lawmakers who pushed the government shutdown to stop ObamaCare..The Hill reports that the House and Senate Republican caucuses are now united in dumping that strategy. Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) and other Tea Party allies of Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) say the threat of a shutdown is no longer necessary to defund the Affordable Care Act (ACA)

I strongly disagree with this premise. Shuting down the government was not the objective nor motive of the Republicans, i.e. Ted Cruz & Mike Lee. The objective was to defund Obamacare.

First, Senate Democrats aren’t going to get bullied by Republicans into defunding ObamaCare, as the first shutdown proved.

The defund effort was not a bullying effort aimed at the Dems & the shutdown didn’t prove anything other than what Obama did. The shutdown was his preference.

Second, an attempt by Capitol Hill Republicans to force that outcome initially distracted from the unfolding disaster of ObamaCare.

So when the final vote was taken to defund Obamacare, 25 (2)N.V. of Republicans that voted with the Democrats & Reid & Obama against defunding,was better than stopping this evil being unleashed on Americans?

bluefox on November 21, 2013 at 12:13 PM

Already answered Big Worm.

Stay focused….

Vanbasten on November 21, 2013 at 12:07 PM

Actually, no it wasn’t….or was this your Master Plan?

Republicans are not helpless. They control the power of the purse. That is their only leverage, but they refuse to use it. They surrender before ever firing a bullet, thanks to our fellow ‘let it burn’ friends that lend them cover.

Vanbasten on November 21, 2013 at 11:36 AM

BigWyo on November 21, 2013 at 12:14 PM

We had one. A free market. And it worked better than any system on Earth.

Republican’s “solution” to the healthcare “problem” should be to tell liberals to STFU, and go hump someone else’s leg for a while.

a5minmajor on November 21, 2013 at 12:00 PM

The market is gone. Destroyed by decades of GOP and Democrat statist engineering and annihilated by Obamacare. If Obamacare is repealed the market will not spontaneously materialize. That will take time. And, in the meantime, there will be great uncertainty and pain. All of which will be blamed on the GOP. Who will get pulverized at the polls, leading to Democrat takeover and their “fix.” Which will be single payer.

besser tot als rot on November 21, 2013 at 12:16 PM

I strongly disagree with this premise. Shuting down the government was not the objective nor motive of the Republicans, i.e. Ted Cruz & Mike Lee. The objective was to defund Obamacare.

bluefox on November 21, 2013 at 12:13 PM

The statists can’t make a cogent argument. They need their strawmen crutch. I beginning to think that Ed and KingGold are one in the same.

besser tot als rot on November 21, 2013 at 12:18 PM

Let it burn….

and salt the earth once the flames have totally consumed it.

It cannot be ‘fixed’.

Once it is gone, and the earth beneath it salted, then measured steps can be applied to address the specific challenges faced in the healthcare industry.

Athos on November 21, 2013 at 12:20 PM

Examination of the troll remarks demonstrates that the new strategy is just fine.

They got their bill, and now they are panicking as the horrific (and predicted) effects come to fruition.

Now they wail for R’s to “do something” since govt doing soomething is the only way they know to think.

The Burning, it’s nice and warm. Let them burn some more, they need more education.

Meremortal on November 21, 2013 at 12:21 PM

Lolz! ; ) Sweet TEA for both then.

Bmore on November 21, 2013 at 12:21 PM

Vanbasten on November 21, 2013 at 12:07 PM

You seem very cranky.

Bmore on November 21, 2013 at 12:22 PM

besser tot als rot on November 21, 2013 at 12:16 PM

Wrong conclusion. You aren’t going to scare anyone into doing something silly.

“If Stupid got us here, why can’t stupid get us out?”

-Will Rogers

Meremortal on November 21, 2013 at 12:23 PM

Playing the status quo is a very dangerous game.

There is certainly no doubt as the Democrats Obamacare plans roll out things will only get worse. We have not even broached the next set of people who will lose their insurance. More people each day are realizing they can’t keep their doctors. Once penalties and new taxes commence, this will get much worse. That’s before we get to the death spiral based on young people realizing they are doing the heavy lifting on taxes.

Ultimately, people will be looking for an alternative. The plans that were cancelled are not coming back and every day this drags on the private insurance market is one step closer to destruction.

The insurance companies long ago cast their lot for Obamacare. This is now an existential battle for them and they will ride Democrats for support. Not only have they proven they can’t be trusted, but now they are boxed in. That will make them unpredictable and less apt to support any reasonable alternative.

That being said, Republicans need to find a way to help people. They need to find a way to strengthen the private insurance market in a substantive way that provides people relief. The Obamacare hate won’t last forever. People will get past that and wonder why nobody is helping them. That won’t be a good revelation for anybody in Congress. There needs to be a constant strategy of trying to pass measures which will lead to the repeal of Obamacare and help our citizens most in need.

Marcus Traianus on November 21, 2013 at 12:28 PM

Well, the strategy certainly plays to the GOP’s strengths: silence, passivity and wishful thinking.

Let’s hope it works.

rrpjr on November 21, 2013 at 12:32 PM

Great narrative but the American people need help, not politics. I think the disatrous rollout of ACA has everyone looking for viable leadership and solutions. The Kool Aid is gone and some prescient Dems know it and would jump ship. Republicans need to coalesce all the ideas they’ve espoused over the past 3 years and incorporate the popular principles of ACA into a grand, sweeping overhaul of our broken health care system. Republicans need to be magnanimous right now, not self righteous. And they’ll be rewarded next November. People remember good deeds long after they’re done.

bucknut on November 21, 2013 at 12:34 PM

On preexisting conditions:

1. 50 million moochers on the commie Democrat party dole/vote roll.

2. Commie/RINO lust for an amnesty for 20 million more dole/vote/wage slaves.

3. People who think pre-existing medical care should be paid for by others who have all they can do to take care of themselves due to the commie Democrat party spending the U.S.A. into $17 Trillion of short term debt and $90 Trillion in long term non funded ponzi crap.

Once those pre-existing conditions can be “fixed” then other problems might be fixable.
As of now the commie Democrats have the country broke on its A$$.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 21, 2013 at 12:35 PM

bluefox on November 21, 2013 at 12:13 PM

The statists can’t make a cogent argument. They need their strawmen crutch. I beginning to think that Ed and KingGold are one in the same.

besser tot als rot on November 21, 2013 at 12:18 PM

I hadn’t read one single comment on this thread when I made mine. I read the thread topic and had to stop to make corrections. That, I don’t appreciate from Ed/AP or any other person putting up a thread. I expect facts, not some left wing opinion trying to put it forth as fact. That tactic really pi**es me off!!!

Years ago someone gave me a book to read and told me it had some “bones”(lies) along with the “meat” (truth). I told him it was all bones. So it is with The Hill’s comments.

Ed & KingGold? Hmmm, something to think about:-)

bluefox on November 21, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Marcus Traianus on November 21, 2013 at 12:28 PM

No, not just yet.

“Republicans need to find a way to help people.”

Brainlock. Given a little time, the people will let the govt know what they want. That’s how a free country works.

Right now, the people seem to want good healthcare with little waiting, health insurance that covers virtually every medical expense they encounter, someone else paying for it, and nobody turned away for expensive pre-existing conditions.

Impossible, better think again.

Meremortal on November 21, 2013 at 12:39 PM

The shutdown achieved a great accomplishment by all of the disinterested voters with one thing…..that Republicans are against Obamacare! The fact that the rollout shortly thereafter crashed and burned makes it seem like the Republicans knew it was going to happen and were trying to prevent all those cancellation of policies and cancellations of doctors….etc.

Since that is achieved, let it burn baby!

FreeManOtis on November 21, 2013 at 12:41 PM

I love this.

“Save us from ourselves, Republicans!”

The Democrats in power won’t allow that. Better talk to THEM.

Meremortal on November 21, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Quit this “ready replacement” nonsense. The Republicans have at least two fine plans ready to go.

slickwillie2001 on November 21, 2013 at 11:53 AM

That’s 1 plan too many! The GOP needs to get behind one and they need to figure out how to dumb it down and market the sh-t out of it.

MJBrutus on November 21, 2013 at 12:50 PM

Because it’s sooooo tasti-licious to savor again…

Obama hits new low with Dems

They are letting it be known that House and Senate Democrats are increasingly frustrated, bitter and angry with the White House over ObamaCare’s botched rollout, and that the president’s mea culpa in a news conference last week failed to soothe any ill will.

Sources who attended a meeting of House chiefs of staff on Monday say the room was seething with anger over the immense damage being done to the Democratic Party and talk was of scrapping rollout events for the Affordable Care Act.

“Here we are, we’re supposed to be selling this to people, and it’s all screwed up,” one chief of staff ranted. “This either gets fixed or this could be the demise of the Democratic Party.

Democrats around Capitol Hill say there are lots of people to blame for the debacle that has engulfed them. But increasingly the anger is directed at one person only: Obama.

“Is he even more unpopular than George W. Bush? I think that’s already happened,” said one Democratic chief of staff.

“The policy will take care of the politics,” one senior administration official said.

But not everyone agrees with that sentiment — particularly those Democrats in both chambers who are up for reelection in 2014.

They’re freaking out, as they should be,” said one senior Senate Democratic aide, adding that the rollout continues to be “a lasting mess.”

Sooooo full of tasty goodness!

dominigan on November 21, 2013 at 1:12 PM

It’s gonna take a GOP Congress and President to do that.

Or litigation in the courts.

sentinelrules on November 21, 2013 at 12:08 PM

In six months the Democrats will be BEGGING Republicans to repeal it. If this is the fallout from just 5 million getting cancellations and 9 million getting massive rate hikes… imagine what will happen when those numbers are 10 TIMES as high!

dominigan on November 21, 2013 at 1:16 PM

Second, an attempt by Capitol Hill Republicans to force that outcome initially distracted from the unfolding disaster of ObamaCare

Repeating this lie over and over doesn’t make it true. Not that it would really matter if it were true. Let’s say they devoted 100% of their attention to it? Would it be repealed today? Would it be defunded today? Would Obamacare be gone today? Would voters in November 2014 really really hate Obamacare as opposed to only really hating it like they do now? Uh, that would be no.

xblade on November 21, 2013 at 1:21 PM

Quit this “ready replacement” nonsense. The Republicans have at least two fine plans ready to go.

slickwillie2001 on November 21, 2013 at 11:53 AM

That’s 1 plan too many! The GOP needs to get behind one and they need to figure out how to dumb it down and market the sh-t out of it.

MJBrutus on November 21, 2013 at 12:50 PM

It is too many. And I think that “ready to go” is an overstatement.

besser tot als rot on November 21, 2013 at 1:22 PM

1. Venezuela

2. Social Security

3. The E.U.

4. Medicare

5. Greece

6. Obamacare

There’s six. You’re assuming past tense for a present-tense question.

All six are very much still with us.

Implod”ed”?

1. The Soviet Union.

2. Any of FDR’s national work programs.

3. Any of Obama’s national work programs. (ARRA is an abject failure.)

a5minmajor on November 21, 2013 at 11:48 AM

The USSR was not a “liberal social program”; FDR’s New Deal is still with us (key parts of the NRA were declared unconstitutional while the CCC was never a permanent agency); the Obama programs are still an open question.

ddrintn on November 21, 2013 at 1:25 PM

Well, the strategy certainly plays to the GOP’s strengths: silence, passivity and wishful thinking.

Let’s hope it works.

rrpjr on November 21, 2013 at 12:32 PM

LOL, true enough.

ddrintn on November 21, 2013 at 1:28 PM

Mark Steyn, great as always:

So, if I follow correctly, the smartest president ever is not smart enough to ensure that his website works; he’s not smart enough to inquire of others as to whether his website works; he’s not smart enough to check that his website works before he goes out and tells people what a great website experience they’re in for. But he is smart enough to know that he’s not stupid enough to go around bragging about how well it works if he’d already been informed that it doesn’t work. So he’s smart enough to know that if he’d known what he didn’t know he’d know enough not to let it be known that he knew nothing. The country’s in the very best of hands.

Bwahahahaha!!!

Meremortal on November 21, 2013 at 1:28 PM

I posted this late on last nights’ QOTD & still haven’t had time to read it all.

40 GOP House Members Join Lawsuit That Could Give Justice Roberts an Obamacare ‘Do-Over’

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/11/19/40-GOP-House-Members-Join-Origination-Clause-Lawsuit-That-Could-Give-Justice-Roberts-an-Obamacare-Do-Over

bluefox on November 21, 2013 at 1:37 PM

This is a good strategy by the GOP..Let Obiecare crash and burn..:)

Dire Straits on November 21, 2013 at 1:39 PM

4m
Video: Republican National Committee chairman Reince Priebus:
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‘”We will make 2014 about Obamacare, and yes, we will tattoo Obamacare on each of their foreheads, and that will be what 2014 is all about’ – National Review via @TPM
see original on youtube.com

http://www.breakingnews.com/#53623732
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyq2e1mSXxk

canopfor on November 21, 2013 at 1:40 PM

canopfor on November 21, 2013 at 1:41 PM

This is a good strategy by the GOP..Let Obiecare crash and burn..:)

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canopfor on November 21, 2013 at 1:36 PM

canopfor on November 21, 2013 at 1:42 PM

canopfor on November 21, 2013 at 1:41 PM

I certainly think they (GOP) will make it (Obiecare) the center piece of 2014..:)

PS..Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on November 21, 2013 at 1:45 PM

canopfor on November 21, 2013 at 1:42 PM

Thanks for the link friend..:)

Dire Straits on November 21, 2013 at 1:46 PM

You seem very cranky.

Bmore on November 21, 2013 at 12:22 PM

Damned right I’m cranky.

You’ve got a bunch of conservatives and/or republicans spouting ridiculous nonsense like, ‘errr, duuhh, let the law just splode up’ like a bunch of liberal drones, and a bunch of republican congressman scared of their own shadow so much that they are using liberal talking points….i.e….’we won’t shut down the government’ before a negotiation has even began.

And to these drones that don’t like fighting for what they believe, remember Ol’ Tip?

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/360135/when-tip-did-it-andrew-stiles

Vanbasten on November 21, 2013 at 1:58 PM

Vanbasten on November 21, 2013 at 12:07 PM

Well, try not to be too cranky. It can adversely affect you. I have never been in the LIB crowd. Never thought it was the way to go early on. I prefer taking the fight to them. Unfortunately we have the hand we are dealt to deal. The GOPe acts half way like water. “Lazy like water” that is. I am for full repeal. I don’t think that works yet either. One thing I am sure of however. I don’t want the GOP saving this thing. I want no part of any of it. Never did. The only path now that we have chosen this fork in the road seems to me to be. Let it ride. If the GOP gets busy tinkering with this monstrosity it will only serve to burn them in the ass. They will by as some suggest “fix it” take ownership of it. Not a good idea in my estimation. So…..its hard to see a valid path forward short of eventual repeal.

Bmore on November 21, 2013 at 2:17 PM

Vanbasten on November 21, 2013 at 12:07 PM

P.S. I presume because of the Tip link you are for shutting down the gov?

Bmore on November 21, 2013 at 2:19 PM

Of course Reid will change the rules. The game will be who adopts the new strategy the quickest.

Bmore on November 21, 2013 at 2:22 PM

Why Is Cruz’s Picture On The Link To This Thread?

“Let It Burn” is not a strategy.

“Let It Burn” is a guarantee to enact the Full Crap Sandwich

So to a Landfill – which is filled with Garbage sometime:

There are small parts of it “burning” in some form or another all the time!

Still – The Landfill goes on…..”Let It Burn” is a condition of it’s existance…….

“Let It Burn” is the description of America after Obama turns it into a Landfill!

williamg on November 21, 2013 at 2:25 PM

“Let It Burn” is NOT and Has NEVER BEEN Cruz’s Strategy!!

Don’t Dishonor him by putting HIS picture up there!!

williamg on November 21, 2013 at 2:26 PM

canopfor on November 21, 2013 at 1:42 PM

Thanks for the link friend..:)

Dire Straits on November 21, 2013 at 1:46 PM

Dire Straits:Anytime, and GOP Center piece,…exactly:)

canopfor on November 21, 2013 at 2:29 PM

P.S. I presume because of the Tip link you are for shutting down the gov?

Bmore on November 21, 2013 at 2:19 PM

That statement is precisely why I am cranky. Nobody is ‘for shutting down the government’. Ted Cruz isn’t; Mike Lee isn’t; Rand Paul isn’t, and I am not ‘for it’.

I AM for using the opportunity to be the adult in the room, to demand that they repeal the law, and when they don’t offer the delay as a compromise WHILE CONTINUALLY DEMANDING REPEAL. I am for being the savior for the millions of people losing their insurance and jobs.

That strategy is a recipe for disaster? I think not. First, it’s the right thing to do. You don’t allow the country to burn for political advantage. That’s irresponsible.

Secondly, those people that have lost their insurance are going to vote for democrats that refuse to repeal the bill? I think not.

And finally, we were already told that ‘Ted Cruz’s shutdown has hurt republicans election chances’. That certainly doesn’t seem to be the case. In fact, it seems as if talking about it, and fighting Obamacare with every parliamentary rule there is has destroyed the presidents poll numbers, and made republican election chances much better, and Ted Cruz went home to Texas to an 8 minute standing ovation. The RINO prognosticators were wrong. Ted Cruz deserves an apology.

Vanbasten on November 21, 2013 at 2:34 PM

Ted Cruz deserves an apology.

Vanbasten on November 21, 2013 at 2:34 PM

Sounds like you and I are currently on the same playbook page. I am also with Cruz and Lee. Rand to a slightly lesser degree although I must say he is doing many things just right. I personally believe we should reward Cruz with the Presidency. I know folks like to say they all will betray us. Probably true. Until he does I am solidly behind Cruz. ; )

Bmore on November 21, 2013 at 2:39 PM

canopfor on November 21, 2013 at 1:42 PM

Thanks for the link friend..:)

Dire Straits on November 21, 2013 at 1:46 PM

Replay and details here. I couldn’t get a replay anywhere else.
I watched it live, thanks canopfor!!

http://www.kake.com/home/headlines/Boeing-jet-lands-at-Jabara-Airport-232781081.html

bluefox on November 21, 2013 at 3:17 PM

Bwahahahaha!!!

Meremortal on November 21, 2013 at 1:28 PM

Perfect!

bluefox on November 21, 2013 at 3:19 PM

workingclass artist on November 21, 2013 at 11:55 AM

I don’t know how the Texas Department of Public Saftety regarding Insurance is set up now. If it is similar to what it has been, that would be a perfect pattern for Health Care.

It was on the order of if you want to write Insurance in our State, these are the Rules:-)Best Insurance System I ever worked under!

bluefox on November 21, 2013 at 3:35 PM

Sounds like you and I are currently on the same playbook page. I am also with Cruz and Lee. Rand to a slightly lesser degree although I must say he is doing many things just right. I personally believe we should reward Cruz with the Presidency. I know folks like to say they all will betray us. Probably true. Until he does I am solidly behind Cruz. ; )

Bmore on November 21, 2013 at 2:39 PM

Right there with you Bmore!! Cruz/Lee in 2016 and Sarah for Energy Secretary!!!

Oh and Ted Cruz was right, the Don’tfundit filibuster was right when he said this is our last chance to kill this Obamacare!!

Now today, we know just how right he was!!!!!

bluefox on November 21, 2013 at 3:40 PM

Why Is Cruz’s Picture On The Link To This Thread?
williamg on November 21, 2013 at 2:25 PM

That’s what I want to know. Obama’s picture should have been there, he was the one that shutdown the Government!!! That seems to be what this topic (The Hill that Ed quoted as fact, but was fiction) was about.

Check out my comment at bluefox on November 21, 2013 at 12:13 PM

bluefox on November 21, 2013 at 3:45 PM

I prefer to call it the Rock Master Scott Strategy.

We don’t need no water…

TMOverbeck on November 21, 2013 at 4:06 PM

This was always the best strategy. If the people have given the left power then just stand back and let the Democrats be Democrats and we’ll win every time.

alchemist19 on November 21, 2013 at 4:42 PM

A collection of some of the discussion, for my personal edification.

So, the new Republican Strategy is to sit back and watch 100 million working Americans (like me) lose their employer-provided/supplemented Health Insurance Plans, for the sake of political expediency?

kingsjester on November 21, 2013 at 10:07 AM

Why not repeal it now before Americans with chronic conditions, such as asthma and diabetes, who work hard everyday,and count on their insurance for life-saving medicine, get hurt?
kingsjester on November 21, 2013 at 10:13 AM

Ask Obama.

happytobehere on November 21, 2013 at 10:30 AM

Unfortunately, it’s hard to demand a repeal after you’re dead from not being able to afford your life-saving meds.

Trust me.

kingsjester on November 21, 2013 at 10:22 AM

So, I’ll just go ahead and die, and decrease the surplus population. Thanks, Ebeneezer.

kingsjester on November 21, 2013 at 10:31 AM

I just want the ACA to end before I do.

kingsjester on November 21, 2013 at 10:35 AM

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The Republican House voted for repeal 37 times and Ted Cruz did a quasi-filibuster to defund Obamacare. They have been killed for it in the media. Plus there’s the fact that Harry Reid will not bring up repeal in the Senate, and Dear Liar would veto any repeal.

The Obamacare fiasco is entirely on the Fascist-Democrats and they have not offered any fixes. The GOP can’t do anything on their own.

rbj on November 21, 2013 at 10:26 AM

Well, they opposed the legislation, nobody voted for it, they ran against it in the last two elections, and they tried to repeal or defund it dozens of times, at one point even shutting down the government to try and get discussion on the issue.

What exactly do you propose they do instead, that hasn’t already been done for the last four years?

The Schaef on November 21, 2013 at 10:30 AM

You’re only going to get the Republican leadership to push repeal — even post-2014 midterm repeal — if they think there’s massive popular support and virtually no downside electorally to do it. And, unfortunately, the only way you get that is to let more and more of the low-info swing voters experience the joys of ObamaCare personally over the upcoming months.

Going into main part of the 2014 campaign season next summer, the Republicans will have to present some sort of unified alternative vision to contrast with the flaming train wreck of ObamaCare (you can’t just say “Go back to 9/30/13” because you can’t recreate the conditions under which now-cancelled insurance plans were administered). But there’s certainly no reason to do it now, while more and more boxcars of the ObamaCare train keep crashing into the back of the locomotive. Stand aside, let the low info types who elected and re-elected Obama see what their former hero’s program is doing to them personally, and then present your alternative closer to ballot-casting time.

jon1979 on November 21, 2013 at 10:31 AM

Do you want it to be tinkered with until it half-assedly works, or do you wish to have done with it?

Akzed on November 21, 2013 at 10:33 AM

What? Have you not been paying attention for the last three years?

The GOP in Congress has tried everything they could to repeal this punchline… up to and including a partial shutdown of government, that, to be fair, nobody really noticed. The Dems who have a majority in the Senate and the WH have refused, absolutely and unequivocally.

There are no other cards to play, save total inaction. Anything else props up this law, and makes its inevitable crash just that much worse…

JohnGalt23 on November 21, 2013 at 10:34 AM

There is no saving this POS, and any GOP effort to ‘fix’ it (even if it helps in any way) will inevitably end up resulting in “the damn Republicans screwed it up”.

Hell, they’re doing it now.

BigWyo on November 21, 2013 at 10:48 AM

Unless you can come up with a credible plan for repeal that will work, what else do we do?

slickwillie2001 on November 21, 2013 at 10:56 AM

It would be a conflict of interest and put GOP directly in line for sabotage accusations if they provided any assistance.

The only logical approach is continued attempts to repeal. Failing that, they need to say that since the law contradicts their constituents’ desires, they are compeled to do nothing.

freedomfirst on November 21, 2013 at 11:02 AM

Let it burn seems like the best way at this point to put the country back on the right course.

But the GOP has got to start messaging.

The Democrats and the media lapdogs will find a narrative by next summer before the election. Yes, the group market will be in utter chaos but the media will be blaming the GOP for not helping out. The GOP will be painted as the reason the Democrat plan failed, the GOP will be painted as having no alternatives and coldly watching and doing nothing as millions of Americans suffer.

gwelf on November 21, 2013 at 11:03 AM

I’m with Mark Levin. The GOP needs to get out ahead of this and tell the voters about their ideas to replace O care. They have presented numerous proposals to the senate where Harry Reid has shelved them. Its time to present these ideas on tv and tell the folks that Reid has prevented them from going forward. Its not enough to be passive and let it burn. The GOP has a real opportunity to fix this mess and prove at last that they are a party to vote for.

neyney on November 21, 2013 at 10:59 AM

An “attempt to put repeal in the CR” would be a token gesture that would accomplish nothing. It would be the 39th attempt to repeal, and would only distract from the Democratics’ problems.

slickwillie2001 on November 21, 2013 at 11:02 AM

People will be paying attention to repeal attempts now (unlike previous attempts) and will take note of who continues to force this abomination on them. And I don’t see how it would possibly be a distraction. It’s. The. Same. Issue. As long as they don’t let it go on so long as become its own issue.

besser tot als rot on November 21, 2013 at 11:09 AM

So now that this thing is failing in every conceivable way, you want the Republicans to help bail this out? That’s insane. The democrats should not have rammed this thing through in the first place, and since they did, they *own* it. Lock, stock and barrel.

No, as sad as it is for those Americans who are getting screwed (I am one of them), this is the right thing for the Republicans to do; hang this turkey around the neck of liberalism and let it rot.

Troy on November 21, 2013 at 11:20 AM

They should push to repeal it and let the Democrats vote against that while everyone is watching. I don’t know how that is “bailing it out.”

besser tot als rot on November 21, 2013 at 11:22 AM

Troy on November 21, 2013 at 11:20 AM

What I am saying is that Obamacare has to be destroyed before over 100 million American lives are affected. No one should have to die to get rid of a socialist piece of legislation that should have never been passed in the first place.

Waiting until Americans start dying over the loss of their Employee Health Insurance Plans is not a solution.

kingsjester on November 21, 2013 at 11:26 AM

Ried, Pelosi and Obama don’t show an iota of concern. So again, what do we DO other than wait until the time is right? The “Let it burn” strategy is just waiting until something can actually be done by those who are willing to do it.

ConDem on November 21, 2013 at 11:28 AM

Kingjester, I understand your concern intimately. I have several children and no insurance. One child has significant healthcare needs that would result in death if not met. We simply can not get hurt or sick. If we do, I hope it’s survivable. I am beyond worried… scared… I feel like my back is against the wall.

Even if full repeal happens, exceptional damage has already been done. The overall system has been far from a free-market system for a very long time, and I don’t envision costs coming down anytime soon. Shame on me for ignoring years and years of steady leftist advances. I feel most of us were complacent for decades.

It is like watching hair grow, you can’t see it day-to-day, but I do believe we’re seeing the destruction of a once impressive society. Leaders do not… we are collectively dumb… we are collectively immoral.

It is going to rain hard on both the just and unjust… on everyone. I hope we survive.

Final Word on November 21, 2013 at 11:38 AM

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http://cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/republican-alternative-obamacare-gaining-momentum-bills-sponsor-says

Rep. Steve Scalise (R-La.) says increasing access to health care and lowering health care costs are at the heart of his bill that stands as an alternative to Obamacare.”We drafted this bill with a working group of members of the Republican Study Committee, which I chair,” Scalise told Fox News’s Neil Cavuto on Wednesday. He said momentum is building for the American Health Care Reform Act, which is being taken “very seriously.””It’s a very concise bill. It’s less than 200 pages long. It’s not the 2,700-page bill that Obamacare is,” Scalise said. – See more at: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/republican-alternative-obamacare-gaining-momentum-bills-sponsor-says#sthash.9oJpAnC1.dpuf

melle1228 on November 21, 2013 at 11:49 AM

The trick is getting all the Republican congress-people behind the same bill; they should have spent the last 3 (or 30) years hammering one out so it was ready to go; they wasted precious time in squabbling.

Quit this “ready replacement” nonsense. The Republicans have at least two fine plans ready to go.

Democratics and trolls push the “where’s your plan” meme to derail Republicans. Why should we come up with a monster big-government plan as equally repulsive as Obamacare to replace it?

What we had before Obamacare is better than Obamacare, so job one should be going back to ‘before Obamacare’. Step One IS for insurance companies to flip the switch and go back, that’s the simplest short-term solution.

There are several Republican small-government plans to fix some MINOR problems in our healthcare delivery and insurance business. Here’s just two of them:

HR 2300: Yes, There is a Republican Plan to Replace ObamaCare

HR 3121: The American Healthcare Reform Act

slickwillie2001 on November 21, 2013 at 11:53 AM

“Recognizing this, the Heritage Foundation last week released a definitive compilation of health-care solutions that make patients the primary decisionmakers. Our commonsense solutions are based on five principles:

Let Americans have total choice and control with regard to their health insurance.

Allow free-market forces, with light regulation, to incentivize insurers and health-care providers to offer affordable and effective health coverage.

Encourage businesses to provide portable health-insurance benefits to their employees.

Help the most vulnerable Americans through the states, non-government organizations, and the free market.

Protect Americans’ right of conscience and unborn children.

Guided by these principles, Heritage health experts outline solutions for dealing with preexisting conditions, helping Americans have continual coverage when they switch jobs, lowering health costs while increasing quality of care, and honoring people’s faith and right of conscience in health-care decisions.

Our solutions include changing the tax treatment of health insurance so that all Americans, not just those getting coverage through work, can benefit from a tax credit to buy private insurance.

We also encourage states to use high-risk pools or reinsurance and risk-transfer mechanisms, so that insurance companies are able to insure patients with preexisting medical issues without risking insolvency. Other cross-state purchasing and pooling mechanisms could help states open up their insurance markets for more customers and increase competition, thereby driving down premiums.

These patient-centered reforms could be extended and enhanced in Medicare, which, under Obamacare, is facing an onslaught of provider cuts and serious threats to access to care. Heritage supports letting doctors and patients contract privately for services. We also encourage a fundamental financing reform that would allow seniors to direct Medicare funds to an approved plan of their choice, while enabling seniors to pocket the savings if they chose a less costly health plan. This would not only stimulate intense competition to control costs, but also spur innovation in the delivery of care and improve health-care quality.

And for poorer and vulnerable Americans, Heritage would transform Medicaid’s federal-state partnership into a new patient-centered system. States would have more freedom to experiment with programs that work better for helping sick and disabled populations. Low-income families that have been pushed into Medicaid by Obamacare would get assistance to buy private coverage, which offers better access to doctors and better health outcomes than Medicaid, as numerous studies have shown.

Finally, Heritage calls for Congress to permanently prohibit the taxpayer funding of abortion services, and for protecting the rights of workers, employers, insurers, health-care providers, and others to refrain from participating in or providing services that violate their consciences.

Taken together, these health-care alternatives would move America in a new direction — away from ever-increasing health-care costs, one-size-fits-all government mandates that force insurance cancellations, stifled economic growth, and suppressed job creation. Instead, the Heritage alternatives would enable Americans to once again have full control of their health-care dollars and decisions, promising a far more effective and dynamic health system.”

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/363189/conservative-alternative-obamacare-nina-owcharenko#!

workingclass artist on November 21, 2013 at 11:55 AM

Why should we come up with a monster big-government plan as equally repulsive as Obamacare to replace it?

slickwillie2001 on November 21, 2013 at 11:53 AM

I think you missed the point.

What happens to people who have responsibly paid into the insurance system for much of their lives, but find themselves uninsurable post death spiral?

ElectricPhase on November 21, 2013 at 11:57 AM

If we want to have a plan to fix healthcare, here’s two words the left won’t hear, “Tort limits”. Here’s a couple more, “Interstate markets” Healthcare has never been the problem, insurance rates have. Monkey with a free market…that’s what you get.

Liberal ideas demonstrably do not work…time to stop pretending they do. If America insists on suffering miserably to learn that lesson…So be it.

a5minmajor on November 21, 2013 at 12:00 PM

The market is gone. Destroyed by decades of GOP and Democrat statist engineering and annihilated by Obamacare. If Obamacare is repealed the market will not spontaneously materialize. That will take time. And, in the meantime, there will be great uncertainty and pain. All of which will be blamed on the GOP. Who will get pulverized at the polls, leading to Democrat takeover and their “fix.” Which will be single payer.

besser tot als rot on November 21, 2013 at 12:16 PM

Playing the status quo is a very dangerous game.

There is certainly no doubt as the Democrats Obamacare plans roll out things will only get worse. We have not even broached the next set of people who will lose their insurance. More people each day are realizing they can’t keep their doctors. Once penalties and new taxes commence, this will get much worse. That’s before we get to the death spiral based on young people realizing they are doing the heavy lifting on taxes.

Ultimately, people will be looking for an alternative. The plans that were cancelled are not coming back and every day this drags on the private insurance market is one step closer to destruction.

The insurance companies long ago cast their lot for Obamacare. This is now an existential battle for them and they will ride Democrats for support. Not only have they proven they can’t be trusted, but now they are boxed in. That will make them unpredictable and less apt to support any reasonable alternative.

That being said, Republicans need to find a way to help people. They need to find a way to strengthen the private insurance market in a substantive way that provides people relief. The Obamacare hate won’t last forever. People will get past that and wonder why nobody is helping them. That won’t be a good revelation for anybody in Congress. There needs to be a constant strategy of trying to pass measures which will lead to the repeal of Obamacare and help our citizens most in need.

Marcus Traianus on November 21, 2013 at 12:28 PM

Marcus Traianus on November 21, 2013 at 12:28 PM

No, not just yet.

“Republicans need to find a way to help people.”

Brainlock. Given a little time, the people will let the govt know what they want. That’s how a free country works.

Right now, the people seem to want good healthcare with little waiting, health insurance that covers virtually every medical expense they encounter, someone else paying for it, and nobody turned away for expensive pre-existing conditions.

Impossible, better think again.

Meremortal on November 21, 2013 at 12:39 PM

slickwillie2001 on November 21, 2013 at 11:53 AM
That’s 1 plan too many! The GOP needs to get behind one and they need to figure out how to dumb it down and market the sh-t out of it.

MJBrutus on November 21, 2013 at 12:50 PM

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Health care insurance is a stupid way to protect yourself, anyway. Try health pools, instead.

HiJack on November 21, 2013 at 10:24 AM

I’m sad that people will be hurt [...]

darkegop on November 21, 2013 at 10:38 AM

Are you willing to be one of the victims? Are you willing to let your kids or grand kids be sacrificed?

I understand the argument, but we’re talking about a lot of real suffering and not just a few deaths.

ElectricPhase on November 21, 2013 at 10:43 AM

There will be suffering either way. If the choice is to put a Band-Aid on a piece of shit — or get rid of the piece of shit entirely, I will choose the latter.

darkegop on November 21, 2013 at 10:54 AM

No one ever acts until the consequences affect them personally.

Yes, bring the Pain. People need to know, firsthand, the folly of liberalism and the pain it brings.

Reap what you have sown, America; and suffer hard that you may never make this mistake again.

a5minmajor on November 21, 2013 at 10:57 AM

AesopFan on November 21, 2013 at 8:40 PM

“We didn’t build that, somebody else made that happen”.

S. D. on November 21, 2013 at 10:01 PM

The Republicans have to find 22 democrat senators who will vote with them to override Obama’s veto.

Then 60 democrats in the house.

Will the democrat defectors be thrown out in their primaries if they come over to the Republicans’ side?

goatweed on November 22, 2013 at 1:21 AM

We gotta think realistically here.

Fact: Any repeal effort will die in the Senate, and any survivors will be crushed by Obama’s veto.

Fact: Unless there’s a “smoking gun” that clearly shows Obama or any of his Cabinet cronies are breaking the law, any impeachment efforts will also die in the Senate. And I doubt that even a “smoking gun” will be enough for a good number of Democrats to shun their loyalty to the President.

The Republicans – including their base – MUST focus their efforts on 1) getting credible, conservative, electable people on the ballot and 2) fight hard to not only take back the Senate in 2014, but gain a veto-proof majority.

People are going to suffer, and that’s an unfortunate, unavoidable fact at this point. Best we can do is contribute generously to private hospitals and the churches who run some of them, support states’ efforts to reform the health care mess, and push hard for an Article V constitutional convention that can dummy-proof our law of the land.

TMOverbeck on November 22, 2013 at 10:15 AM

Let it burn

A little late but they finally got it right. Not until we get enough elected soldiers can we mount a counter-attack and Obamcare is the best way to get them.

MaiDee on November 22, 2013 at 11:29 AM

AesopFan on November 21, 2013 at 8:40 PM

Every one of us can read. Please don’t recreate half a thread in one post again.

ManWithNoParty on November 22, 2013 at 10:10 PM

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