Boehner to amnesty fans: No way are we done with immigration reform

posted at 4:01 pm on November 21, 2013 by Allahpundit

Empty rhetoric from a Speaker caught off guard by a question at today’s presser? Not exactly. Andrew Stiles passes along this tidbit from Politico:

I told you last week — just because Boehner’s doing a little pandering to righties lately by ruling out a conference on Rubio’s Gang of Eight bill doesn’t mean he’s ruled out immigration reform entirely. Just ask his friend Jeb:

“I think there will be bills passed,” Bush said at a talk at 92nd Street Y in New York City. “It won’t be one comprehensive bill. I think it will probably be in late spring, where there’s a little bit of a window before the election starts in earnest. I hope so, I hope that’s the case. I’ve talked to Speaker Boehner and he’s totally committed to this, but he needs to find a way to get enough of the support.”

The name of the game for Boehner, as usual, is passing reform incrementally, via piecemeal legislation, rather than in one leviathan bill that covers border security, visas, and citizenship in a single pop. That’s easier to sell to conservatives because, in theory, it means security can and will be dealt with before Congress takes up the issue of legalization. In that case, though, how come Democrats like Obama and even Nancy Pelosi are also suddenly talking up the piecemeal approach? This is their way of signaling to Boehner that they’re willing to give him some political cover on the process so long as they get the right result. Pass a border security bill and a separate legalization bill that guarantees illegals can have legal status independent of whether security’s being improved and they’re fine with that. The key is quick, unconditional (or barely conditional) legalization. You could, I’m sure, split the Gang of Eight bill up into separate components and pass those individually. Would that make Schumer’s and Rubio’s plan any more palatable to righties?

Honestly, I’m so weary of this game-playing that I’d almost rather they hurry up and pass something, bad though it’s almost certain to be. The endless two-step pandering, first showing a little leg to conservatives and then to amnesty fans and Latino voters, is tiresome. They can’t move on it now or else they’ll draw media attention from the ObamaCare meltdown, but in the spring, after the health-care ruckus has quieted down a little, maybe it’s better that they go ahead and bite the bullet already. It’s going to happen sooner or later; they’re not going to go to the polls in 2016 without having done something to show Latinos that the party’s remade itself to some degree on this issue at least. Let’s get on with it. RINOs for the win.

Two clips for you here, one of Boehner and the other via the Examiner of amnesty fans descending upon Eric Cantor’s home. Not his office. His home.



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Riiippppppiiiiiinnnnngggg Defeat from the Jaws of Victory.

Ca97 on November 21, 2013 at 4:03 PM

What an a-hole.

Mark1971 on November 21, 2013 at 4:06 PM

Future trivia question: What do John Adams, Millard Fillmore, and George W. Bush have in common?

Adams was the last Federalist Party president, Fillmore was the last Whig Party president …

J.S.K. on November 21, 2013 at 4:07 PM

They can’t move on it now or else they’ll draw media attention from the ObamaCare meltdown, but in the spring, after the health-care ruckus has quieted down a little, maybe it’s better that they go ahead and bite the bullet already.

I think this is correct. I guess they really, really don’t want to win the 2014 or 2016 elections.

Doomberg on November 21, 2013 at 4:07 PM

This is the real reason for the Nuke deal in the Senate.

The leaders of the two party evil money cult knew an amnesty would get a filibuster, so the did the dirty together once more.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 21, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Where is my voter registration form? Goodbye, GOP!

islandman78 on November 21, 2013 at 4:08 PM

After Harry Reid’s actions today Boehner should be letting Obama know that there will be no legislation for the rest of his term. Immigration should be dead and cold at this point.

Ellis on November 21, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Right on time.

The GOP does what the GOP does.

Hawkins1701 on November 21, 2013 at 4:09 PM

The majority of Republicans need to get him out of his leadership position.
Quick!

anotherJoe on November 21, 2013 at 4:09 PM

Bringing their children to an illegal trespass shows what kind of people we are dealing with…WTH?

d1carter on November 21, 2013 at 4:09 PM

This administration will never enforce a border-security bill they don’t like….and they don’t like border-security.

Another Drew on November 21, 2013 at 4:09 PM

“Principle” is for chumps. The GOP establishment is in government to keep the perks coming.

For me, the GOP cannot die soon enough.

Cicero43 on November 21, 2013 at 4:09 PM

Why on earth would the Republicans do anything now to help the Socialists?

They went Nuclear in the Senate – the opposition (as I have always said) cannot be trusted.

Immigrants can all go to hell AFAIC

redguy on November 21, 2013 at 4:11 PM

After Harry Reid’s actions today Boehner should be letting Obama know that there will be no legislation for the rest of his term. Immigration should be dead and cold at this point.

Ellis on November 21, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Boner must be nuked….

redguy on November 21, 2013 at 4:12 PM

for the love of pete Allah get over it! The GOP will never be able to outpander the dems for illegal alien votes.

DanMan on November 21, 2013 at 4:12 PM

What the NSA / FBI has on Boehner must really be something.

viking01 on November 21, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Thank Rubio for this. If not for him, this crap would have died in the Senate, like in 2006. His vote gave Chamber of Commerce d-bags like Hatch and Corker the cover they needed. Oh, and Boehner sucks.

Travis Bickle on November 21, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Astounding how few people take the time to understanding this issue!

For too many, this issue, like wtih other big issues – it’s ALL YES – or ALL NO

A little appreciation of the issues inside the issue would help so many.

Not everything is a simple as YES or NO

jake-the-goose on November 21, 2013 at 4:14 PM

For me, the GOP cannot die soon enough.

Cicero43 on November 21, 2013 at 4:09 PM

“Is it dead yet?” I wake up each day asking, hoping.

To all those schadenfreude enthusiasts, remember — the GOP isn’t capable of accepting gift horses. Deep in their twisted, self-loathing political cortexes they are aleady working on ways to cancel out every political advantage from this and even restore democrat suzerainty. Immigration reform and amnesty? You betcha!

rrpjr on November 21, 2013 at 4:14 PM

I’m going to the basketball game tonight and forgetting this country is a cluster.

gophergirl on November 21, 2013 at 4:15 PM

Why on earth would the Republicans do anything now to help the Socialists?

They went Nuclear in the Senate – the opposition (as I have always said) cannot be trusted.

Immigrants can all go to hell AFAIC

redguy on November 21, 2013 at 4:11 PM

Because Cantor doesn’t want illegals & occupy crapping in his front yard?

workingclass artist on November 21, 2013 at 4:15 PM

I couldn’t watch.
Did he cry at the end?

dentarthurdent on November 21, 2013 at 4:15 PM

Honestly, I’m so weary of this game-playing that I’d almost rather they hurry up and pass something, bad though it’s almost certain to be… It’s going to happen sooner or later; they’re not going to go to the polls in 2016 without having done something to show Latinos that the party’s remade itself to some degree on this issue at least. Let’s get on with it. RINOs for the win.

-Pro-Amnesty Blogger Allahlundit

Absolutely disgusted with the HotAir blogger traitors as well as John Boehner.

Mass illegal alien amnesty is suicide not only for the party, but the country as well.

bluegill on November 21, 2013 at 4:17 PM

Honestly, I’m so weary of this game-playing that I’d almost rather they hurry up and pass something, bad though it’s almost certain to be.

Democrats love that voter fatigue.

Yep!

workingclass artist on November 21, 2013 at 4:17 PM

Future trivia question: What do John Adams, Millard Fillmore, and George W. Bush have in common?

Adams was the last Federalist Party president, Fillmore was the last Whig Party president … J.S.K. on November 21, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Hmmm… Are you implying or am I inferring…?

Akzed on November 21, 2013 at 4:17 PM

Allahpundit said yesterday he wants illegal aliens to be legalized.

bluegill on November 21, 2013 at 4:17 PM

Good lord. Why does the GOP Always screw things up??

Jack_Burton on November 21, 2013 at 4:17 PM

I read…no way we are done.
It was Boehner the idiot, so I re-read it.

The name of the game for Boehner, as usual, is passing reform incrementally, via piecemeal legislation, rather than in one leviathan bill that covers border security, visas, and citizenship in a single pop poop.

Fify.
Why do we even bother? Seriously?

RovesChins on November 21, 2013 at 4:17 PM

You have a libertarian element in the Tea Party that doesn’t care if this passes, so that makes it harder to mount opposition. Freedomworks and Club For Growth aren’t going to lift a finger to oppose this.

Mark1971 on November 21, 2013 at 4:18 PM

These idiots just can’t help themselves, can they?

AZCoyote on November 21, 2013 at 4:18 PM

He said after progress on securing the border (yeah, right), Allahpundit said he favors granting legalization.

bluegill on November 21, 2013 at 4:18 PM

I wonder if the illegals realize that once they become citizens…

… they are on the hook for our national debt?

Seven Percent Solution on November 21, 2013 at 4:19 PM

Not everything is a simple as YES or NO

jake-the-goose on November 21, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Agreed. There is a little-known clause in our immigration laws which says a person can come here illegally as long as they can be used as a political token by the demorats.

Who needs laws when everything can be accomplished with the twinkle system.

Bishop on November 21, 2013 at 4:19 PM

How many time have we had to listen to the phrase “It’s the law of the land” in regards to Obamacare while Congress totally ignores the law of the land on border control? Why is it so hard for them to understand, stop the flood, and we will talk about the rest. These people are too stupid to “lead”.

Cindy Munford on November 21, 2013 at 4:19 PM

How are the Repubs different that the Dems? – they’re both thinking they can disadvantage the middle class for their own power and career advancement.

The Repubs think I’ll keep voting for them anyway because I don’t have any better choice? Think again. (I’m talking to you Mike Coffman – Colorado (R)! My house will not vote for you again if you support amnesty.)

LilyBart on November 21, 2013 at 4:20 PM

ILLEGAL=go the F&CK home. Take your kids with you. No more welfare.
LEGAL=if they’re good for the US, make it faster, but only when we are at full employment again.

RovesChins on November 21, 2013 at 4:21 PM

This is WeeperSpeak. Translation – “Unless the tea parties get riled up, I’ll cave on this.”

Trust me, the tea parties are already riled up on this and they’re ready to go full rock n roll on their congresscritters. There will be no amnesty and thanks to Dingy Harry’s power play on the filibuster, the Senate will be delivered to the GOP by the tea parties.

And both houses will do what they are told by the people in 2015.

platypus on November 21, 2013 at 4:22 PM

I’m going to the basketball game tonight and forgetting this country is a cluster.

gophergirl on November 21, 2013 at 4:15 PM

If it’s the TimberRubios then there’s no escaping the cluster; you have to be at the Target Center which is ground zero for hustlers, losers, junkies, and general human trash.

Try not to get knocked out.

Bishop on November 21, 2013 at 4:23 PM

Cindy Munford on November 21, 2013 at 4:19 PM

I hear you – with one caveat.

Our immigration laws have been added to, and modified, almost 1100 times since 9/11.

They are a shambles – no one can understand them – no one can possibly enforce them – loop holes – black holes – no holes – they are a complete mess.

Immigration reform is desperately needed – it’s like so many issues – the Right is incapable of explaining why, what, or how.

jake-the-goose on November 21, 2013 at 4:23 PM

Maybe a bunch of us need to show up at Cantor’s house.

Mark1971 on November 21, 2013 at 4:24 PM

ILLEGAL=go the F&CK home. Take your kids with you. No more welfare.
LEGAL=if they’re good for the US, make it faster, but only when we are at full employment again.

RovesChins on November 21, 2013 at 4:21 PM

Well – you are closer to being right than most people. Thank you.

jake-the-goose on November 21, 2013 at 4:24 PM

They can’t move on it now or else they’ll draw media attention from the ObamaCare meltdown, but in the spring, after the health-care ruckus has quieted down a little,

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AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Hot Air – the BIGGEST collection of RINO’s pretending to be conservatives.

You just DON”T get it, AP.
Obamacare is the Mount Vesuvius for Washington, the MSM, Democrats, MSM, GOPe and GOPe-media.

The ash is falling all around you and you keep looking at the weather forecast while muttering,

“This will clear up and things will get back to normal.”

WILL.NOT.HAPPEN.

What did you think we meant by L.I.B.?

Hint: Business as usual is OVER!

Let’s just list some of the “Black Swan” events you and the rest of the “insiders” can’t see.

1) Obama cedes America’s influence in the Middle East directly to Putin. Murrow would dig his way out of his grave to cover this story ALONE, if he could.

2) Obamacare proves to be the world’s biggest FAILED takeover on Day 1. HALF of America is going to get PROGRESSIVELY more PISSED OFF until it is repealed.

3) Obama effectively cedes “right to nuclear weapons” to Iran – France blocks its – Israel & Saudi Arabia WILL NOT allow Iran to have nuclear weapons – and every single MSM & GOPe-media person sees it as a non-story RATHER than the likelihood of the Middle East going up in flames.

4) Today – in the MOST partisan move of his highly partisan career, Harry Reid sets aside 200 years of precedent – ZERO outrage … there has been some stern “Tut-tutting” though.

Do you have ANY clue how “out of touch” the lot of you have become?

ANY?

PolAgnostic on November 21, 2013 at 4:27 PM

Cindy Munford on November 21, 2013 at 4:19 PM

I hear you – with one caveat.

Our immigration laws have been added to, and modified, almost 1100 times since 9/11.

They are a shambles – no one can understand them – no one can possibly enforce them – loop holes – black holes – no holes – they are a complete mess.

Immigration reform is desperately needed – it’s like so many issues – the Right is incapable of explaining why, what, or how.

jake-the-goose on November 21, 2013 at 4:23 PM

You again.
Great.
You’re either entered legally or you didn’t.
It’s not that tough and looking for an obamacare fix to the immigration system, well, look how that turned out.

RovesChins on November 21, 2013 at 4:27 PM

We need those 20,000,000 illegals to make Obamacare work right…hahahahahaha….

PatriotRider on November 21, 2013 at 4:28 PM

ILLEGAL=go the F&CK home. Take your kids with you. No more welfare.
LEGAL=if they’re good for the US, make it faster, but only when we are at full employment again.

RovesChins on November 21, 2013 at 4:21 PM

Well – you are closer to being right than most people. Thank you.

jake-the-goose on November 21, 2013 at 4:24 PM

Please. Don’t.
You’re a hack.

RovesChins on November 21, 2013 at 4:28 PM

It is the business and pro-Wall Street wing of the GOP that is screaming for Amnesty. Let that sink in next time Wall Street wants another bailout or tax break…

I am pro-Capitalist, but I am not a slave to Wall Street and their Crony Capitalist leaders.

William Eaton on November 21, 2013 at 4:28 PM

You’re either entered legally or you didn’t.

RovesChins on November 21, 2013 at 4:27 PM

You cannot possibly be that narrow minded on what “Immigration Reform” means – can you?

jake-the-goose on November 21, 2013 at 4:29 PM

Go ahead and do this GOP leadership. Ram this crap through in the midst of ALL of our other problems. If you think people stayed home in 2012, watch what happens if you do this. For me, I’m done. It doesn’t appear the Republican Party wants or cares about my vote.

TarheelBen on November 21, 2013 at 4:29 PM

Si, senor, senorita.

Yo quieiro, Taco bell.

Just brushing up on what little Spanish I know since we will soon be the United States of Hipaniola.

Bitter Clinger on November 21, 2013 at 4:29 PM

The leaders of the two party evil money cult knew an amnesty would get a filibuster, so the did the dirty together once more.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 21, 2013 at 4:08 PM

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Today’s rule change does not cover legislation – just Presidential appointment of personnel.

PolAgnostic on November 21, 2013 at 4:30 PM

No special pathway to citizenship should be given to illegal aliens. What an insult to law-abiding citizens and to others going through the legal immigration process!

Those who don’t live in border states may not understand what mass, unchecked illegal immigration has done. You want to know why California is so screwed up? Years of unchecked illegal immigration. Look to California to see what’s coming for rest of country if this passes. The state was thrown in the trash. And you can forget about Texas staying Republican, if amnesty passes. And you can also forget about electing a conservative president ever again.

bluegill on November 21, 2013 at 4:30 PM

*Hispaniola

Bitter Clinger on November 21, 2013 at 4:30 PM

You’re a hack.

RovesChins on November 21, 2013 at 4:28 PM

Don’t feel bad – it’s not your fault so few understand why this nations CEO’s and Governors are working for Immigration Reform.

You think it’s about illegal immigration don’t you?

jake-the-goose on November 21, 2013 at 4:31 PM

Boehner to amnesty fans: No way are we done with immigration reform

HA bloggers celebrate. What conservative pundits ,except the pundits here and at the WSJ, are still pushing for this. Even the reliably proamnesty NRO , David Frum and even Rubio are not on board. Is the Chamber of Commerce that powerful? Is HA driving Boners agenda-lol? Seriously , are there a bunch of right wingers, or even independents that are asking their reps to grant amnesty? The only (non dems) I ever see pushing for amnesty are at the WSJ, US Chamber of Comerce and here at HA.

Seriously though, isn’t ObamaCare… I mean ACA … enough of an issue this year.

BoxHead1 on November 21, 2013 at 4:31 PM

Obamacare is the Mount Vesuvius for Washington, the MSM, Democrats, MSM, GOPe and GOPe-media.
PolAgnostic on November 21, 2013 at 4:27 PM

Quick – someone go find a few virgins to sacrifice!!!
You’ll need to look somewhere Bubba Clinton hasn’t visited recently….

dentarthurdent on November 21, 2013 at 4:31 PM

? – add to end

BoxHead1 on November 21, 2013 at 4:33 PM

Those who don’t live in border states may not understand what mass, unchecked illegal immigration has done. You want to know why California is so screwed up? Years of unchecked illegal immigration. Look to California to see what’s coming for rest of country if this passes. The state was thrown in the trash. And you can forget about Texas staying Republican, if amnesty passes. And you can also forget about electing a conservative president ever again.

bluegill on November 21, 2013 at 4:30 PM

100% correct – but there are other immigration issues we do need to address.

Why can’t anyone appreciate that this is big complicated issue – with some clear cut YES’s and some not so clear cut ones?

jake-the-goose on November 21, 2013 at 4:33 PM

You cannot possibly be that narrow minded on what “Immigration Reform” means – can you?
jake-the-goose on November 21, 2013 at 4:29 PM

All you do on this site is base Cruz and tell people who support immigration law enforcement that they don’t understand the issue.

Amnesty for illegal immigrants should never be an option. We shouldn’t offer that as a bargaining chip to secure the damn border or to fix other unrelated issues.

NO SPECIAL PATHWAY TO CITIZENSHIP FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.

bluegill on November 21, 2013 at 4:33 PM

Do you have ANY clue how “out of touch” the lot of you have become? ANY? PolAgnostic on November 21, 2013 at 4:27 PM

Well I’m sorta paying attention.

Wondering about the consistency of this though:

Hint: Business as usual is OVER!

2) Obamacare proves to be the world’s biggest FAILED takeover on Day 1. HALF of America is going to get PROGRESSIVELY more PISSED OFF until it is repealed.

I mean, if it can be undone, that’s kinda like business as usual. (Don’t yell at me!)

Akzed on November 21, 2013 at 4:33 PM

Pass amnesty and I’m done with the GOP. They can’t run a website, why would they enforce immigration laws?

El_Terrible on November 21, 2013 at 4:33 PM

bluegill on November 21, 2013 at 4:33 PM

Small hat size

jake-the-goose on November 21, 2013 at 4:34 PM

I wonder if the illegals realize that once they become citizens…

… they are on the hook for our national debt?

Seven Percent Solution on November 21, 2013 at 4:19 PM

That’s an unwarranted assumption. If they wanted to be citizens, they would have followed the rules. So they aren’t interested in being citizens. And they won’t be joining any system. They are outside and they like it there.

What is going on is that the feds want to corral all the tea partiers who have gone galt and make tax criminals out of them so they can confiscate their wealth. As long as they are mere tax evaders, only their income stream and their financial accounts are able to be snatched.

Bring it on – tea partiers are smarter than the gubmint.

platypus on November 21, 2013 at 4:35 PM

Quick – someone go find a few virgins to sacrifice!!!
You’ll need to look somewhere Bubba Clinton hasn’t visited recently….

dentarthurdent on November 21, 2013 at 4:31 PM

LOL!

You know why Christ wasn’t born in Washington, D.C.?
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God couldn’t find three wise men and a virgin.

PolAgnostic on November 21, 2013 at 4:35 PM

Immigration reform is desperately needed – it’s like so many issues – the Right is incapable of explaining why, what, or how.

jake-the-goose on November 21, 2013 at 4:23 PM

You’re right. We need to at the very least adopt the same immigration laws as most other countries. Considering that our biggest problem is Mexico I think we should adopt the same laws as they have for immigration. The US is the only first or second world nation with basically no immigration laws being enforced. We shouldn’t start enforcing them like every other country.

Dr. Frank Enstine on November 21, 2013 at 4:35 PM

All you do on this site is base Cruz

bluegill on November 21, 2013 at 4:33 PM

I bash Cruz and every member of Congress – they are all nothing but talking heads – they are not problem solvers – none of them.

jake-the-goose on November 21, 2013 at 4:35 PM

4) Today – in the MOST partisan move of his highly partisan career, Harry Reid sets aside 200 years of precedent – ZERO outrage … there has been some stern “Tut-tutting” though.

Do you have ANY clue how “out of touch” the lot of you have become?

ANY?

PolAgnostic on November 21, 2013 at 4:27 PM

No, none of them do. It’s absolutely breathtaking what’s going on around us with no sense of shock, as if from a demented business-as-usual state of denial.

rrpjr on November 21, 2013 at 4:36 PM

Why can’t anyone appreciate that this is big complicated issue – with some clear cut YES’s and some not so clear cut ones?

jake-the-goose on November 21, 2013 at 4:33 PM

Everything is a “big complicated issue” to you.

You don’t bother with any hard and fast principles. You just look to wade in the details of a making a deal of some kind.

Bitter Clinger on November 21, 2013 at 4:36 PM

Pull down the temple and accept the consequences.

Mason on November 21, 2013 at 4:36 PM

Honestly, I’m so weary of this game-playing that I’d almost rather they hurry up and pass something, bad though it’s almost certain to be.

Well, there’s a surprising statement coming from a professed border security hawk.

/

Midas on November 21, 2013 at 4:36 PM

LOL…ROFL…..I have only one thing to say. DIG THAT HOLE!

DFCtomm on November 21, 2013 at 4:37 PM

This is the approach we should take to illegal immigration.

Georgia handled this well:
http://youtu.be/oxe1WO27B_I

bluegill on November 21, 2013 at 4:37 PM

Everything is a “big complicated issue” to you.

You don’t bother with any hard and fast principles. You just look to wade in the details of a making a deal of some kind.

Bitter Clinger on November 21, 2013 at 4:36 PM

Not everything – Immigration Reform is desperately needed for this nation.

We need to make it easy for the best and the brightest to come to the USA and help us build our businesses, pay taxes, and grow this nation.

I am not afraid of easier immigration – not in the least.

jake-the-goose on November 21, 2013 at 4:38 PM

Akzed on November 21, 2013 at 4:33 PM


very quietly then …

I stand by my prediction.

Obamacare WILL be repealed by veto-proof majorities in the House and the Senate by Christmas.

If Harry the Pederast and Nancy the Witch try to block it … they will lose their leadership positions.

PolAgnostic on November 21, 2013 at 4:38 PM

Mark1971 on November 21, 2013 at 4:24 PM

And Boehner’s and Ryan’s and Rubio’s and every other F%cker that supports this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Barred on November 21, 2013 at 4:39 PM

I stand by my prediction.

Obamacare WILL be repealed by veto-proof majorities in the House and the Senate by Christmas.

If Harry the Pederast and Nancy the Witch try to block it … they will lose their leadership positions.

PolAgnostic on November 21, 2013 at 4:38 PM

WOW – powerful predictions – prayers you are right.

jake-the-goose on November 21, 2013 at 4:39 PM

You’re a hack.

RovesChins on November 21, 2013 at 4:28 PM

Don’t feel bad – it’s not your fault so few understand why this nations CEO’s and Governors are working for Immigration Reform.

You think it’s about illegal immigration don’t you?

jake-the-goose on November 21, 2013 at 4:31 PM

Look. I think you’ve been found. Eventually, we find all the turds in the punchbowl.
You advocate for it. Just make sure you don’t allow Jeb Bush to be on top.

RovesChins on November 21, 2013 at 4:40 PM

Hmmm… Are you implying or am I inferring…?

Akzed on November 21, 2013 at 4:17 PM

Just to be clear, I don’t mean that the Republican Party is going to be supplanted by a new Tea Party-style party which would elect a president instead. I mean that the Boehner/McCain establishment will wind up supporting an immigration law, endorsed by all Congressional Democrats, to import millions more Democratic voters, thus making it impossible for future Republican presidential candidates to win.

J.S.K. on November 21, 2013 at 4:40 PM

And Boehner’s and Ryan’s and Rubio’s and every other F%cker that supports this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Barred on November 21, 2013 at 4:39 PM

But their all stupid – along with our Governors and many of the CEO’s of this nations best and largest businesses – they are all wrong – right?

Nope -

jake-the-goose on November 21, 2013 at 4:41 PM

BoxHead1 on November 21, 2013 at 4:31 PM

I don’t think HotAir if for this, but WSJ is, no doubt. Big Business wants immigration reform, and if that involves Amnesty so be it.

This is also why Forbes is so pro-China, including one of their writers (Stephen Harner) who keeps pushing for giving China their “Lebensraum”! In Forbes case it is about American investments in China and in WSJ’s case it is cheap labor in terms of immigration.

Basically follow the money for why certain politicians support curious political positions….

William Eaton on November 21, 2013 at 4:41 PM

We have immigration standards for a reason. We need to enforce them. Any country that doesn’t is nothing less than suicidal.

We are transferring a huge segment of another country’s poor, unskilled population into ours.

bluegill on November 21, 2013 at 4:41 PM

100% correct – but there are other immigration issues we do need to address.

Why can’t anyone appreciate that this is big complicated issue – with some clear cut YES’s and some not so clear cut ones?

jake-the-goose on November 21, 2013 at 4:33 PM

It really is pretty clear cut. If you give these 30+ million illegal immigrants amnesty, nearly all of them immediately go onto welfare and start voting Democrat. Texas will almost certainly go blue immediately. We don’t have the money to fund peoples’ misguided do-gooderism and compassion anymore.

I am fine with something like making the regular immigration process easier, but I will not accept amnesty in any way, shape, or form.

Doomberg on November 21, 2013 at 4:41 PM

Let the civil war begin in earnest.It’s time for the South to rise again.And just think,even if we lose we get to walk away and destroy the GOP.We can’t lose!Bring it on you drunken sop.

redware on November 21, 2013 at 4:41 PM

Hey GOPe lets do the math shall we? Your base which makes up the majority of your voters DO NOT WANT AMNESTY. The Hispanics you are pandering to vote for you perhaps 20% of the time in national elections. THEY DO NOT VOTE FOR REPUBLICANS. THEY WANT FREE STUFF. Dems give out free stuff, the GOP gives out less free stuff. GUESS WHO WINS? How do you plan to make up the DROVES of your base voters who will stay home with Hispanics who won’t vote for you? You should dance with the one that brung ya. Don’t take this lying down guys. BURN UP THE PHONE LINES! Then vote out as many of these linguine spined RINOs as we can in 2014!

neyney on November 21, 2013 at 4:41 PM

Well, I guess this is how it’s done, conservatives.

We simply break the laws.

We mob the houses of politicians we don’t like.

We just take the stuff we want.

God help me, I’m ready to just burn this f*cking place down.

Midas on November 21, 2013 at 4:42 PM

Look. I think you’ve been found. Eventually, we find all the turds in the punchbowl.
You advocate for it. Just make sure you don’t allow Jeb Bush to be on top.

RovesChins on November 21, 2013 at 4:40 PM

Dizzying intellect you have!

jake-the-goose on November 21, 2013 at 4:42 PM

Seriously though, isn’t ObamaCare… I mean ACA … enough of an issue this year.

BoxHead1 on November 21, 2013 at 4:31 PM

Well there s that Cosco Bible thing going on. Add next week is the finals for DWTS.

I never expected the repubs to not pass some sort of immigration reform. Most likely they will strive to give the dems everything they want and then they will figure a way to sweeten the pot. The repubs don’t want to really do anything for their party. If they won the presidency they would have to work and couldn’t stand back and use the excuse that they did everything they could have.

Dr. Frank Enstine on November 21, 2013 at 4:42 PM

I am fine with something like making the regular immigration process easier, but I will not accept amnesty in any way, shape, or form.

Doomberg on November 21, 2013 at 4:41 PM

Ok – now – I 100% agree – I really do. Not so tough. Many thanks for that. I was getting paranoid.

jake-the-goose on November 21, 2013 at 4:43 PM

No, none of them do. It’s absolutely breathtaking what’s going on around us with no sense of shock, as if from a demented business-as-usual state of denial.

rrpjr on November 21, 2013 at 4:36 PM

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In large part, it is because the healthiest “local” economies in the U.S. are:

Washington, D.C.

New York City metropolitan area

San Francisco

And the first two are where EVERY member of the MSM and GOPe-media are based …

… with the exception of Ed, who I wouldn’t be surprised if he announced he is relocating to Washington for better “access”.

PolAgnostic on November 21, 2013 at 4:43 PM

Why can’t anyone appreciate that this is big complicated issue – with some clear cut YES’s and some not so clear cut ones?

jake-the-goose on November 21, 2013 at 4:33 PM

Listen guy, I realize you have a little staffing problem at your little business. This issue, however, is bigger than your little problem. This is about the future of the nation and if it even has one. Nobody cares that you can’t find a foreign national who is familiar with European banking to work for you.

DFCtomm on November 21, 2013 at 4:44 PM

Everything is a “big complicated issue” to you.

You don’t bother with any hard and fast principles. You just look to wade in the details of a making a deal of some kind.

Bitter Clinger on November 21, 2013 at 4:36 PM

Not everything – Immigration Reform is desperately needed for this nation.

We need to make it easy for the best and the brightest to come to the USA and help us build our businesses, pay taxes, and grow this nation.

I am not afraid of easier immigration – not in the least.

jake-the-goose on November 21, 2013 at 4:38 PM

You really are thick.
91 million Americans not working. Shut the f$cking door.
And, who is part of the 20 million? Mexico and South America’s uneducated, criminal that they are shoving off on us to take care of. All lawbreakers regardless.
You advocating for 20 million New Democrat voters isn’t going to go well here.

RovesChins on November 21, 2013 at 4:44 PM

I am not afraid of easier immigration – not in the least.

jake-the-goose on November 21, 2013 at 4:38 PM

Making it easier just gives immigrants more reasons NOT to assimilate into our society. And the illegals sure as h3ll aren’t going to bother with that. Once you lose what makes your society and your country truly great, it’s all downhill from there.

Bitter Clinger on November 21, 2013 at 4:45 PM

Look. I think you’ve been found. Eventually, we find all the turds in the punchbowl.
You advocate for it. Just make sure you don’t allow Jeb Bush to be on top.

RovesChins on November 21, 2013 at 4:40 PM

Dizzying intellect you have!

jake-the-goose on November 21, 2013 at 4:42 PM

I’m not the one advocating to help the democrat party and legalizing lawbreakers.
You come here with the same argument day in and day out.
You want cheap labor, we get it.

RovesChins on November 21, 2013 at 4:46 PM

Nobody cares that you can’t find a foreign national who is familiar with European banking to work for you.

DFCtomm on November 21, 2013 at 4:44 PM

I think I get that.

Try to extrapolate my issue with Facebook – Microsoft – Cisco – JP Morgan – IBM. Each company, and thousands of others – asking fpr “easier legal immigration standards”

What is so hard to understand about that?

jake-the-goose on November 21, 2013 at 4:46 PM

the Right is incapable of explaining why, what, or how.

jake-the-goose on November 21, 2013 at 4:23 PM

It’s not that we’re incapable of explaining… it’s that you’re incapable of understanding the explanation.

Look at Obamacare. The right warned the LEFT on every single issue… and the LEFT was too busy screaming ‘racist’ ‘teabagger’ and ‘Nazi’ to listen.

Face it. The LEFT has lost all remnants of credibility they may have possessed.

The LEFT was not only wrong about Obamacare, they were wrong in the way they passed it, and now they’re wrong about immigration reform, too.

Obama and the political class don’t want to pass an amnesty. If they do they lose that cudgel they use to get the base to the polls on that issue, too. They’d rather keep the border porous through ‘stand down’ orders, and accomplish a de facto amnesty through executive orders. In this way they can keep using that issue to instill grievance in their base, and they can keep a foreign labor force with no recourse under the law that drives down wages. Meanwhile, every child born to these foreign laborers on U.S. soil is an American citizen. The political class doesn’t give a damn about the parents of those new U.S. citizens they are using to wash their cars, mow their lawns, clean their toilets, and tend their children.

That you believe we still have two distinct political parties when it comes to policy demonstrates your naivete. You’re still relying on old political models that no longer exist. Democrat and Republican only count when the members of the political class want you to vote for them so that they may either become a member of that elitist club, or remain a member of that elitist and insular club.

thatsafactjack on November 21, 2013 at 4:46 PM

Pro-amnesty traitors love to use euphemisms like “immigration reform” and lump amnesty in with other things.

No deal that includes amnesty should ever be considered. EVER.

I am sick of people dishonestly trying to frame this issue as pro-immigration vs. anti-immigration. And why do Republicans allow this?

bluegill on November 21, 2013 at 4:46 PM

We need to make it easy for the best and the brightest to come to the USA and help us build our businesses, pay taxes, and grow this nation.
jake-the-goose on November 21, 2013 at 4:38 PM

No we don’t. That’s nothing but a quick band-aid to fill the gap caused by our libtard run educational system.
Look at the numbers on how many college students in this country get useless fuzzy studies degrees (Gender Studies, Ethnic Studies, etc) compared to math, science and engineering.
Look at the testing comparisons for how far behind in math and sciences our kids are compared to other countries.
We need to fix our education system so we can grow more of our own best and brightest – in useful disciplines.

dentarthurdent on November 21, 2013 at 4:47 PM

But their all stupid – along with our Governors and many of the CEO’s of this nations best and largest businesses – they are all wrong – right?

Nope -

jake-the-goose on November 21, 2013 at 4:41 PM

I don’t know if they are personally stupid, in fact it is probably very smart in terms of their personal bank accounts, but in terms of the health and safety of the country and party it probably is not.

So it depends of what you consider smart. The business man who sold the communist the rope thought he was making a good business deal too, until he found his neck in a noose made from it.

Self interest has its limits…

William Eaton on November 21, 2013 at 4:47 PM

RovesChins on November 21, 2013 at 4:44 PM

Ok – with al due respect – we are talking right past each other – not even close to discussing the same issue.

Stay strong – you have that.

jake-the-goose on November 21, 2013 at 4:47 PM

But their all stupid – along with our Governors and many of the CEO’s of this nations best and largest businesses – they are all wrong – right?

jake-the-goose on November 21, 2013 at 4:41 PM

If they are for amnesty, then f*ck yes, they are all wrong.

Amnesty will destroy this country in a permanent way that Obamacare can only dream of.

Obamacare is horrific, but it can be reversed and with time rectified. Painful, but doable.

Amnesty – and its affect on the economy, the populace, the skillset of the country, the education, the resource pool of the population, the demand on government entitlements, the catastrophic drain on the treasury, and the impact on the spectrum of voters – liberal vs conservative – is FOREVER.

ANY business person, as you claim to be, isn’t thinking this through very far into the future if they think this is a good thing in the long run. It will *immediately* change our trajectory, and very shortly, this country WILL be economically destroyed – and no amount of cheap labor will offset that.

And we’ll be led by the likes of Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama’s in perpetuity.

Midas on November 21, 2013 at 4:48 PM

Try to extrapolate my issue with Facebook – Microsoft – Cisco – JP Morgan – IBM. Each company, and thousands of others – asking fpr “easier legal immigration standards”

What is so hard to understand about that?

jake-the-goose on November 21, 2013 at 4:46 PM

So why don’t they want to hire US citizens for those jobs?

dentarthurdent on November 21, 2013 at 4:49 PM

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