CBS poll: Obama approval sinks nine points in a month to 37%

posted at 8:01 am on November 20, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Consider the lame-duck descent confirmed. A day after the Washington Post/ABC poll showed disapproval for Barack Obama and ObamaCare reaching new highs, the new CBS News poll shows his approval plummeting nine points in a month to 37%.  Support for the Affordable Care Act managed to drop even faster:

President Obama’s job approval rating has plunged to the lowest of his presidency, according to a new CBS News poll released Wednesday, and Americans’ approval of the Affordable Care Act has dropped it’s lowest since CBS News started polling on the law.

Thirty-seven percent now approve of the job Mr. Obama is doing as president, down from 46 percent in October – a nine point drop in just a month. Mr. Obama’s disapproval rating is 57 percent — the highest level for this president in CBS News Polls.

A rocky beginning to the opening of the new health insurance exchanges has also taken its toll on how Americans perceive the Affordable Care Act. Now, approval of the law has dropped to 31 percent – the lowest number yet recorded in CBS News Polls, and a drop of 12 points since last month. Sixty-one percent disapprove (a high for this poll), including 46 percent who say they disapprove strongly.

Republicans are nearly unanimous in their disapproval of the law, and now more than two-thirds of independents agree. Almost six in ten Democrats continue to support the law, but their support has dropped 16 points from last month – from 74 percent in October to 58 percent today. Support has dropped 11 points among independents and five points among Republicans.

Obama can’t even get to 40% with women, among whom his approval rating is 39/54. It’s worse among independents, a disastrous 29/63. His overall approval (37/57) is nearly the same as George W. Bush at this point in his presidency (35/57), two months after Hurricane Katrina.

As with the WaPo/ABC poll, the ObamaCare fiasco has taken a toll on voter perceptions of Obama’s personal qualities.  In September 2012, respondents considered Obama honest and trustworthy by a 60/35 margin.  Today’s it’s 49/48, and among independents it’s down to 43/53.

It’s not just voters who don’t care for Obama’s performance, either. The Hill reports that his relationship with Capitol Hill Democrats has hit a new nadir, with most of them furious over his incompetence:

President Obama’s relationship with congressional Democrats has worsened to an unprecedented low, Democratic aides say.

They are letting it be known that House and Senate Democrats are increasingly frustrated, bitter and angry with the White House over ObamaCare’s botched rollout, and that the president’s mea culpa in a news conference last week failed to soothe any ill will.

Sources who attended a meeting of House chiefs of staff on Monday say the room was seething with anger over the immense damage being done to the Democratic Party and talk was of scrapping rollout events for the Affordable Care Act.

“Here we are, we’re supposed to be selling this to people, and it’s all screwed up,” one chief of staff ranted. “This either gets fixed or this could be the demise of the Democratic Party.

“It’s probably the worst I’ve ever seen it,” the aide said of the recent mood on Capitol Hill. “It’s bad. It’s really bad.”

Obama likes to brag that he doesn’t have to run for office again. Unfortunately, most of them do, and very soon.  They can see the handwriting on the wall, and it’s in Obama’s script.

Here’s the CBS News poll data:

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“They should be thanking me”…

/heh

Key West Reader on November 20, 2013 at 9:15 AM

There’s still a lot of time between now and next Nov. We could have some major event take place that could erase the memory of all the lies and cause people to look toward govt to save them.

Kissmygrits on November 20, 2013 at 9:06 AM

Yeah. One of the Kardashians could have an ass transplant or the Washington Redskins might try to change their name to the Blackhawks or something. Heck Alec Baldwin might have a meltdown on TV, you just never know. I have a lot of faith in the American voting public. Bread and circuses. Most college students don’t know who the Secretary of State is, don’t know what state Washington D.C. is in (trick question I know) don’t know where Afghanistan is, couldn’t name the Senators from their home states. But they damn sure know who Snookie is and what color underwear the latest numbnuts upandcoming drug addled singing sensation wears.

Oldnuke on November 20, 2013 at 9:16 AM

That’s the thing with the left on this issue. None of the math adds up and yet they are still out there trumpeting Obamacare as the greatest thing ever.

Happy Nomad on November 20, 2013 at 9:09 AM

Yes, and it’s pretty damn amazing when you think about it. O-Care is going to add trillions to the deficit, it’s going to raise health care costs for the vast majority of Americans, and yet despite all that money being spent we’re still going to have 30 million uninsured (according to the government’s own projections).

It’s hard to imagine how they could have come up with something worse.

AZCoyote on November 20, 2013 at 9:17 AM

Ya know,..with somebody Boinking over the Unemployment numbers prior
to the 2012 Election, maybes the/these numbers are actually lower!!

Jus say’n!

canopfor on November 20, 2013 at 9:19 AM

Politically Obamacare is the gift that keeps on giving, however, it’s because people are suffering.

lea on November 20, 2013 at 9:12 AM

They’ll suffer far more if we don’t push for complete repeal.

Happy Nomad on November 20, 2013 at 9:19 AM

I have a never ending loop in my head of Obama saying, “I won- me and my monumental, colossal ego won”. hee-hee.

BettyRuth on November 20, 2013 at 8:15 AM

“They should be thanking me”…

/heh

Key West Reader on November 20, 2013 at 9:15 AM

:-)

Right up there with “I won.”

Fallon on November 20, 2013 at 9:19 AM

One piece of paper…that’s all it would take to rid this country of Obamacare…

A one page repeal bill passed by veto proof margins in the House and Senate. It’s coming, it’s only a matter of when…

PatriotRider on November 20, 2013 at 8:17 AM

It really doesn’t matter if the law is repealed now as the damage is done. If the law were repealed today, the rates are already locked in until at least by 2015. During that time, the insurance companies cannot start cutting the people who have signed up because they are suddenly the evil corporations that Democrats claim them to be.

I honestly do not see a way out of this without some form of government option appearing. Once that appears, I am unsure if our insurance system can survive. The superb healthcare system that has kept me alive for most of my life (I have extensive medical problems) will be no more.

Obama wanted to forever change America to what he believe it should be; unfortunately he has succeeded.

txaggie on November 20, 2013 at 9:20 AM

It’s hard to imagine how they could have come up with something worse.

AZCoyote on November 20, 2013 at 9:17 AM

Oh, I can imagine much worse. But I have decades of cynical development on my side along with a vivid imagination.

Oldnuke on November 20, 2013 at 9:20 AM

Curious. The Census Bureau has him at 68% approve, 22% somewhat approve and 10% in the Klan.

mankai on November 20, 2013 at 9:03 AM

Hahahaha! Congress is now opening an investigation into the “unemployment” numbers right before the re-urkelection. The dude is going down.

Key West Reader on November 20, 2013 at 9:22 AM

The GOP will still blow it.

HB3 on November 20, 2013 at 8:10 AM

We need to send the pro amnesty people on a cruise to nowhere.

gophergirl on November 20, 2013 at 8:16 AM

I agree with gophergirl…but the GOP has fixated on this disturbed and irrational idea that promoting Republicans as ‘pro-amnesty’ is a winning campaign strategy. Trying to get out in front of the DNC cart or something.

It’s wrong, it’s self-defeating, it’s just wrong. The GOP has to stop listening to billionaires and their lobbyists because there’s no room there in any amnesty results for a GOP win. They’ll just be used and again discarded, humiliated and the rest of us will lose.

Lourdes on November 20, 2013 at 9:23 AM

But tone-deaf GOP consultants will continue advising ruling class Beltway Republicans not to criticize this lying sociopath, won’t they?

Right Mover on November 20, 2013 at 9:23 AM

Is the Obama presidency failing?

No.

Took out Osama Bin Laden.

Got us out of the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression.

Saved US auto manufacturing.

Provided inspiration to millions if not billions around the world with galvanizing speeches.

etc

Why do you think I have an O’bama Shrine in my basement bedroom?

nonpartisan on November 18, 2013 at 6:30 PM

Del Dolemonte on November 20, 2013 at 9:25 AM

I disagree: blame him, blame Obama, hold it to his name, to him. You’re right about Reid and Pelosi being responsible, too, the entire DNC (the long list of names involved among Democrats that are responsible, is what I mean). But it’s stuck on Obama like it should be, a permanent stain of ugly and bad.

Lourdes on November 20, 2013 at 9:05 AM

I would rather blame the Democrat party than Obama. Obama will be gone in 3 years. The Democrat party will be around much longer.

See, even now they’re trying to save their hides by attacking the President.

It’s HIS fault that they wrote this awful law and voted for it nearly unanimously, despite united opposition from the Republicans and loud cries from the general public to “STOP!”

No, this albatross needs to go around the neck of Pelosi, Reid and every single one of those piece of $#!+ Democrats who voted for this thing. It needs to hang over the Democrat party from now until the end of time. It’s too big of a clusterf**k to wrap around one tiny, useless man.

Chris of Rights on November 20, 2013 at 9:25 AM

The Hill reports that his relationship with Capitol Hill Democrats has hit a new nadir, with most of them furious over his incompetence:

Wow, only took them 5 years to figure that out?

F-

Del Dolemonte on November 20, 2013 at 9:27 AM

The Dems desperately need a charm offensive from the likes of Sebelius, Kerry, Reid, Pelosi and Biden!

Good luck with that.

mankai on November 20, 2013 at 9:28 AM

O-Care is going to add trillions to the deficit, it’s going to raise health care costs for the vast majority of Americans…

AZCoyote on November 20, 2013 at 9:17 AM

More problematic on a short-term, or generational, time-frame is the deterioration to the nation’s population this Obamacare mess will deliver. People already are saying they’re “going without insurance” because of Obamacare and most with what remains as to insurance are going to be ceasing many physician visits due to extreme deductibles AND complications to physicians themselves.

So the overall, and short-term effect, on the national population’s health looks to be grim. This just may be the goal of Obamacare, if one considers the bleakest objectives involved.

Lourdes on November 20, 2013 at 9:28 AM

Great point Canopfor @9:19

cmsinaz on November 20, 2013 at 9:31 AM

Lourdes on November 20, 2013 at 9:05 AM

I would rather blame the Democrat party than Obama. Obama will be gone in 3 years. The Democrat party will be around much longer.

See, even now they’re trying to save their hides by attacking the President.

It’s HIS fault that they wrote this awful law and voted for it nearly unanimously, despite united opposition from the Republicans and loud cries from the general public to “STOP!”

No, this albatross needs to go around the neck of Pelosi, Reid and every single one of those piece of $#!+ Democrats who voted for this thing. It needs to hang over the Democrat party from now until the end of time. It’s too big of a clusterf**k to wrap around one tiny, useless man.

Chris of Rights on November 20, 2013 at 9:25 AM

Well, I agree with you there but I do think it’s wrong to avoid holding Obama responsible (too).

Did you, did anyone, catch the remarks by Bart Stupak on FOX the other evening (I think it was two nights ago)?

Ridiculous stupor by a mindnumbingly hypnotized man stuck in Democrat delusions. It was preposterous what Stupak said — and he boasted that he doesn’t regret his vote for Obamacare.

Lourdes on November 20, 2013 at 9:31 AM

Still 10 points too high.

albill on November 20, 2013 at 9:40 AM

Still 10 points too high.

albill on November 20, 2013 at 9:40 AM

Doubtful he will get into the “low” 20s, as he still has 99.9% of the black vote, which is 13% or so of the population. Add the 15% of those Far Lefties who will also never abandon him, and you’re at about 30%.

Del Dolemonte on November 20, 2013 at 9:48 AM

To their credit, C-BS Radio “News” did report this new poll this morning.

Guess they couldn’t keep it hidden.

Del Dolemonte on November 20, 2013 at 9:49 AM

Ya know,..with somebody Boinking over the Unemployment numbers prior
to the 2012 Election, maybes the/these numbers are actually lower!!

Jus say’n!

canopfor on November 20, 2013 at 9:19 AM
…hope so!…or they do all their polling….in Washington DC!

KOOLAID2 on November 20, 2013 at 9:57 AM

Damn it, why did they have to shut down Intrade? So many interesting markets to watch.

I guess it’s for the best. Better to not get one’s hopes up. And if/when repeal happens, it will be sweeter if we haven’t sneaked a taste in advance.

Not to mention, there’s the risk of jinxing it with advance gloating, which we should avoid the temptation to do anyway; I’m still convinced that’s what really happened with the Supreme Court ruling.

RINO in Name Only on November 20, 2013 at 9:58 AM

Not even low enough. I want Obama and Reid not only defeated but humiliated, begging us for repeal.

What about Nancy you say? She will never give up but will completely snap on the vote to repeal being left huddled in corner of the House chambers muttering, ‘My Precious’, while rubbing an imaginary gavel.

Fitting end to all of them and their party.

mustng66 on November 20, 2013 at 10:10 AM

The media is also targeting Paul Ryan because of his involvement with the budget process. Be aware that you are going to see Paul Ryan taking drinks of water out of bottles over and over, you are going to hear that he has flipped flopped and wants Amnesty, not border security and immigration reform, and that he is giving in to liberals to upset you. They will say he “thinks” Obamacare is an entitlement, and they want you to associate your feelings with any negative feelings they have created about Romney in the past. He must be viewed as a failure because he is an expert on the budget, and can do the math, unlike Mr. Flunky the Dog Ate my Homework. The media hopes to make you despise Paul Ryan as much as they do, they will find something to irk you if you just let them phrase it the right way. They can’t afford to have Ryan out there, respected and speaking his mind, they are going to have to selectively sound bite him.

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/190751-dems-hammer-ryan-gop-over-budget-talks

Fleuries on November 20, 2013 at 10:11 AM

“that escalated quickly… I mean, that really got out of hand fast”

- Ron Burgandy Barack Obama

WisRich on November 20, 2013 at 10:11 AM

In an interview on BET last night with Bow Wow and Keshia Chante, First Lady Michelle Obama talked up her husband, President Barack Obama. “I always say my husband has got swag,” said Mrs. Obama. “He’s got a little swag.” The audience applauded.

Mrs. Obama also said that the president of the United States “sings all the time.” She continued, “Oh, yes, he’s in the bathroom all the time just singing.”

THAT is the man redesigning our country.
How is this possible?

Mimzey on November 20, 2013 at 10:14 AM

What a difference this one month or so has made! And thanks to Ted Cruz (surrender weasels be damned) the GOP staked out a much stronger position against Obamacare than had the GOPe managed to immediately push through their “cave now in order to fight another day” crap.

Happy Nomad

Yup. Those clowns have no vision whatsover.

I enjoy watching “The Five” on Fox, and it just makes me giddy that Bob Beckel went on and on about how the shutdown was going to be the end of the Republican party- now he just sits there with a grumpy look on his face! Love it.

BettyRuth

You know what’s sad though? There are STILL republicans running around crying about the shut down. It’s almost as if they WANT the party to suffer because of it.

xblade on November 20, 2013 at 10:15 AM

“We are the ones 37% of us have been waiting for!”

mjbrooks3 on November 20, 2013 at 10:18 AM

I have decades of cynical development on my side along with a vivid imagination.

Oldnuke on November 20, 2013 at 9:20 AM

the Kardashian ass transplant line was the tell.

DanMan on November 20, 2013 at 10:21 AM

The media hopes to make you despise Paul Ryan as much as they do, they will find something to irk you if you just let them phrase it the right way. They can’t afford to have Ryan out there, respected and speaking his mind, they are going to have to selectively sound bite him.

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/190751-dems-hammer-ryan-gop-over-budget-talks

Fleuries

I do despise Paul Ryan at this point, and it has nothing to do with the media. He gets the credit for that all on his own.

xblade on November 20, 2013 at 10:23 AM

The Hill reports that his relationship with Capitol Hill Democrats has hit a new nadir, with most of them furious over his incompetence:

Wow, only took them 5 years to figure that out?

F-

Del Dolemonte on November 20, 2013 at 9:27 AM

It seems like Obama has always had a difficult relationship with Congress – even when it was controlled with an iron fist by Reid/Pelosi. Obama’s an agitator at heart, even dealing in a politic way with his own party is hard for him.

gwelf on November 20, 2013 at 10:27 AM

“I always say my husband has got swag,” said Mrs. Obama. “He’s got a little swag.” The audience applauded.

Mrs. Obama also said that the president of the United States “sings all the time.” She continued, “Oh, yes, he’s in the bathroom all the time just singing.”

THAT is the man redesigning our country.
How is this possible?

Mimzey on November 20, 2013 at 10:14 AM

..can’t argue with her, Mimzey. She’s seen him in the bathroom, singing and playing with his little swag.

The War Planner on November 20, 2013 at 10:32 AM

The Fraud in Chief hasn’t a worry in the world.

“Suffer peasants, suffer”

Schadenfreude on November 20, 2013 at 10:39 AM

One piece of paper…that’s all it would take to rid this country of Obamacare…

A one page repeal bill passed by veto proof margins in the House and Senate. It’s coming, it’s only a matter of when…

PatriotRider on November 20, 2013 at 8:17 AM

..the congressional equivalent of that scene from My Cousin Vinny, right?

The War Planner on November 20, 2013 at 10:40 AM

CBS poll: Obama approval sinks nine points in a month to 37%

He’s already established himself as the worst POTUS ever, the polls are just now starting to reflect that.

rukiddingme on November 20, 2013 at 10:45 AM

Looking for a “wag the dog” moment any time now…what shiny object will be tossed out to distract the sheeple and lap-dog media? Any thoughts?

Wyznowski on November 20, 2013 at 10:51 AM

We need to get rid of this Idiot. Bring George Bush back.

tmgrant on November 20, 2013 at 10:54 AM

Congressional democrats were totally on board with Obama when they believed the plan to deceive the American public would work like a charm. Now that it has blown up in their faces they want to blame Obama’s incompetence. How rich.

xrayiiis on November 20, 2013 at 10:54 AM

37% you say? Hm, it actually doesn’t seem like 37% of the people I meet are complete morons or absolute pieces of sh**. Maybe I should make up a ‘worthless p.o.s. idiot test’:

1. Are you entitled to an income just for being alive?
2. Are you entitled to healthcare just for being alive?
3. Do you believe your gender, race, ethnicity, or combination thereof entitle you to preferred treatment in any aspect of societal interaction, i.e. preferences for hiring, housing, public assistance etc., or deference in ordinairy social interactions?
4. Would you refuse miltary service, or other public service, to qualify for the above “entitlements”?
5. Are you of sound mind and body but not actively seeking employment?
6. Do your engage in non-contraceptive-use extra-marital sex while without the means to independently (free of public assistance) raise a dependent child?

If you answered “yes” to any of the above questions, you are most likely a “worthless p.o.s. idiot”.

And you probably still think Obuggerme is just swell.

M240H on November 20, 2013 at 10:54 AM

said Mrs. Obama. “He’s got a little swag.” The audience applauded.

LOL. Yes, we’ve long suspected Barry has a little swag.

There’s been way too much over-compensating going on for him to have any other kind.

AZCoyote on November 20, 2013 at 10:56 AM

Welcome to the Preference Cascade Bambi.

Once people realize that they can be opposed to you without being a racist, it get’s pretty lonely.

PackerBronco on November 20, 2013 at 10:56 AM

Looking for a “wag the dog” moment any time now…what shiny object will be tossed out to distract the sheeple and lap-dog media? Any thoughts?

Wyznowski on November 20, 2013 at 10:51 AM

Lichtenstein is in deep shit.

katy the mean old lady on November 20, 2013 at 11:03 AM

This is hard to imagine. I work at a university and I would have guessed he’s at 98% approval (stupid Klan members keeping him below 100%). And I’m pretty sure the web site problems are being caused by Sarah Palin, Ronald Reagan and Halliburton.

This poll must be rigged by the RNC.

mankai on November 20, 2013 at 11:04 AM

We need to get rid of this Idiot. Bring George Bush back.

tmgrant on November 20, 2013 at 10:54 AM

I never wanted him to leave.

Lanceman on November 20, 2013 at 11:07 AM

Great point Canopfor @9:19

cmsinaz on November 20, 2013 at 9:31 AM

cmsinaz:Thanks CM, sorry for the late response, had to step out:)

canopfor on November 20, 2013 at 11:13 AM

Question: What do Republicans and Democrats running for re-election have in common?

Answer: Neither want Obama to campaign for them.

Marcola on November 20, 2013 at 11:13 AM

there is NO WAY ObamaCare is going away completely. The Demorats went too far down this road and spent too much money to give it up. They simply are looking for a way around the 2014 elections so they are talking repeal, revise, etc. Come Jan 2015 they will be right back to “we won”.

The way out of this? I have no clue. Obama has SCREWED every responsible American who had good insurance and were happy but got their policy cancelled. Renewal or reinstatement of those cancelled policies will come with preexisting conditions. To undo that, there’s have to be a government subsidy to Ins. companies because the ins. companies are now in charge.

Just imagine what will happen when the employer paid plans hit the fan! Those will also rise in price, probably the same percentage rates as the individual policies. Businesses will have to cancel plans just like the individuals since those plans will be outlawed under ObummerCare. Why do you think there was the delay? Businesses have a lot of power in elections!

Anyone that thinks Obama can mandate reinstatement is nuts. These are private companies and Obama cannot legally make any law. Congress also would not have such power.

We also have the problem of all those that signed up for Medicaid and the freebies. There’s no way you will get away with taking that away from them – they will riot and have more Occupy movements. They don’t take “no” as an answer when it concerns their freebies.

katablog.com on November 20, 2013 at 11:15 AM

This poll must be rigged by the RNC.
mankai on November 20, 2013 at 11:04 AM

Well, CBS and RNC both have three letters, and both have a C in them… that’s pretty suspicious. I’d say you’re onto something.

Marcola on November 20, 2013 at 11:16 AM

Huh- the raw numbers had Reps at 28%, but the “weighted” numbers moved that down to 23.5%.

So go ahead and shave 3 or 4 points off that 37%, bring Preznit Earflaps McShamwow down to about 33% approval.

Which puts him WORSE than Bush after Katrina, when the MSM spent solid weeks pounding on him.

Princess Backnine, we hardly knew ye.

GrassMudHorsey on November 20, 2013 at 11:18 AM

So what? I mean it — so what? Obamacare is going nowhere, and he’ll get immigration reform. Yes, he will. And he’ll continue his extra-Constitutional and executive fiat ravages. And NO ONE will stop him. In the sick psychology of the GOP, they’ll even start feeling sorry for him, or rather for the power and prestige of the office, and try to rescue him.

rrpjr on November 20, 2013 at 11:19 AM

His approval isn’t sinking so much as we’re just seeing the effects of the recent change of pro-Democrat media taking their thumb off the scale just a little.

Kinda like beer goggles wearing off.

Christien on November 20, 2013 at 11:26 AM

As 2014 and the elections approach, the Dems might start to think that impeachment is a reasonable course of action.

justltl on November 20, 2013 at 11:36 AM

We need to get rid of this Idiot. Bring George Bush back.

tmgrant on November 20, 2013 at 10:54 AM

Pass.

Why didn’t President Bush secure the borders after 9-11 when he had the goodwill of the American people behind him and instead saddled us with gems like the NCLB, the Patriot Act, the TSA and an attempt at amnesty?

Stay out da Bushes. (That means you, Jebster.)

Fallon on November 20, 2013 at 11:48 AM

I guess it’s time for an extended out of the country vacation for Zero and family…

PatriotRider on November 20, 2013 at 8:20 AM

I hear that Guantanamo Bay is lovely this time of year.

justltl on November 20, 2013 at 11:49 AM

Hahahaha! Congress is now opening an investigation into the “unemployment” numbers right before the re-urkelection. The dude is going down.

Key West Reader on November 20, 2013 at 9:22 AM

I hate to sound cynical (well, not really) and rain on your cereal, but what’s the current headcount from all the other congressional investigations?
Has ANYONE (in a position or actual responsibility) actually been fired or thrown in jail as a result of any of these scandals? F&F? IRS? Benghazi? EpicCusterFarknadocare?

dentarthurdent on November 20, 2013 at 11:49 AM

Stay out da Bushes. (That means you, Jebster.)

Fallon on November 20, 2013 at 11:48 AM

Ya, I agree with a lot of the comments about W – decent guy, but made plenty of mistakes – but still far better than the idiot we have in the WH now.
But I think we’ve had enough Bushes in the WH.

dentarthurdent on November 20, 2013 at 11:51 AM

Question: What do Republicans and Democrats running for re-election have in common?

Answer: Neither want Obama to campaign for them.

Marcola on November 20, 2013 at 11:13 AM

Paging Chris Christie

faraway on November 20, 2013 at 11:56 AM

McCain: “We have nothing to fear with Barack Obama in the White House”

faraway on November 20, 2013 at 11:56 AM

i see obama’s approval’s up to 52 on gallup, up 9 points since a month ago. surely just a blip. lefty fox news showing his approval surging is clearly just propaganda.

there should be more blog posts on the WWII vets, it’s clearly working.

sesquipedalian on October 4, 2013 at 1:50 PM

oh nevermind

sesquipedalian on October 4, 2013 at 2:01 PM

pain train on November 20, 2013 at 12:01 PM

pain train on November 20, 2013 at 12:01 PM

Heh.

mankai on November 20, 2013 at 12:05 PM

Let’s not forget that the sycophants in the lapdog media skew the numbers by 5-10 points with their propaganda…

We’re going to get a lot more stories that opposition to the President is going to be based on racism. We’re going to get a log more stories that will be fearmongering and demagoguing the GOP in an effort to appeal to the LIV’s.

The problem with the efforts of the media, and Administration, to redefine reality by defining perceptions is that this EpicClusterFark and it’s failings are very real – and impacting over 100 million people between now and the midterm elections of 2014.

All of the standard buzzwords; affordable, fairness, social justice, keeping your insurance, keeping your doctor, secure website, and the others are all turning out to be little more than lies. The credibility of Barack Obama, his Administration, and the Congressional Democrats who rammed this clusterfark through is cratering – and 37% isn’t close to the bottom.

The ride is going to get real bumpy. With our thin-skinned, narcissistic, insecure, and petulant community organizer, we don’t have someone who will look at what happens and act rationally. Instead we have someone who will use / abuse their power to lash back in utter contempt towards those who he believes are beneath him. And it isn’t limited to just the President, as his fellow ideologues in Congress will also do the same.

To them, the problems are all because of the opposition and the stupidity of the masses, not the bankruptcy of their agenda.

Athos on November 20, 2013 at 12:15 PM

2010: “We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it.” – Nazi Pelosi

2013: “Toilet forensics are no fun.” – 61% of Americans

ElectricPhase on November 20, 2013 at 12:21 PM

But I think we’ve had enough Bushes in the WH.

dentarthurdent on November 20, 2013 at 11:51 AM

Well, if Hillary gets her way, Bill will bringing lots of Bush into the WH.

IYKWIMAITYD

Chris of Rights on November 20, 2013 at 12:25 PM

Its still too high. The 37% need to take a government 101 class before being allowed to vote. Stupid doesn’t begin to describe the mentality of these fools.

neyney on November 20, 2013 at 12:28 PM

…Maybe I should make up a ‘worthless p.o.s. idiot test’:

If you answered “yes” to any of the above questions, you are most likely a “worthless p.o.s. idiot”.

And you probably still think Obuggerme is just swell.

M240H on November 20, 2013 at 10:54 AM

Unfortunately, 80% of my coworkers would fail this test with multiple affirmative responses. Ugh! I REALLY want my own business.

freedomfirst on November 20, 2013 at 12:35 PM

Defending the shutdown is now much easier—Republicans wanted to block the fiasco that is ObamaCare from gearing up.

Seeing how bad it really is, will democrats be able to blame them for wanting to block it?

OpportunityCost on November 20, 2013 at 12:41 PM

ha ha ha.

COgirl on November 20, 2013 at 12:49 PM

When liberals overcome their unreasonable compunction to approve of black people no matter what they do and answer “disapprove” to a poll question, you’ve got issues.

CrustyB on November 20, 2013 at 1:16 PM

Stay out da Bushes. (That means you, Jebster.)

Fallon on November 20, 2013 at 11:48 AM

Ya, I agree with a lot of the comments about W – decent guy, but made plenty of mistakes – but still far better than the idiot we have in the WH now.
But I think we’ve had enough Bushes in the WH.

dentarthurdent on November 20, 2013 at 11:51 AM

O’bama would never have been elected in the first place if so many idiot Republicans hadn’t stayed home from the polls in 2008. Even more of them stayed home last year. Because they stupidly refused to hold their noses and vote for their Party’s candidate.

At the same time, the reason the Democrats keep winning elections is because they do hold their noses and vote for their Party’s candidate, even if they don’t like that candidate.

Until the denser members of the Republican Party wake up and admit that fact to be true, the Party will continue to lose.

Del Dolemonte on November 20, 2013 at 1:18 PM

O’bama would never have been elected in the first place if so many idiot Republicans hadn’t stayed home from the polls in 2008. Even more of them stayed home last year. Because they stupidly refused to hold their noses and vote for their Party’s candidate.

At the same time, the reason the Democrats keep winning elections is because they do hold their noses and vote for their Party’s candidate, even if they don’t like that candidate.

Until the denser members of the Republican Party wake up and admit that fact to be true, the Party will continue to lose.

Del Dolemonte on November 20, 2013 at 1:18 PM

You learned the wrong lesson from ’08 and ’12.

If you want a Republican to be elected President, stop nominating Democrats!

ElectricPhase on November 20, 2013 at 1:47 PM

Del Dolemonte on November 20, 2013 at 1:18 PM

You learned the wrong lesson from ’08 and ’12.

If you want a Republican to be elected President, stop nominating Democrats!

ElectricPhase on November 20, 2013 at 1:47 PM

O’bama thanks you for your votes in 2008 and 2012.

A+

Del Dolemonte on November 20, 2013 at 1:48 PM

O’bama thanks you for your votes in 2008 and 2012.

A+

Del Dolemonte on November 20, 2013 at 1:48 PM

I voted for McLame and the loser Romney.

In spite of people like you.

I probably shouldn’t have.

ElectricPhase on November 20, 2013 at 1:52 PM

Lower faster.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 20, 2013 at 2:01 PM

O’bama thanks you for your votes in 2008 and 2012.

A+

Del Dolemonte on November 20, 2013 at 1:48 PM

I voted for McLame and the loser Romney.

In spite of people like you.

I probably shouldn’t have.

ElectricPhase on November 20, 2013 at 1:52 PM

Why are you ashamed of your voting for them?

Del Dolemonte on November 20, 2013 at 2:07 PM

Single digits soon?…

Pest on November 20, 2013 at 2:12 PM

O’bama would never have been elected in the first place if so many idiot Republicans hadn’t stayed home from the polls in 2008. Even more of them stayed home last year. Because they stupidly refused to hold their noses and vote for their Party’s candidate.

Del Dolemonte on November 20, 2013 at 1:18 PM

This claim has been debunked much too often to believe you are making the claim honestly any longer.

McCain did not lose for lack of republican votes (i.e., the base / the people are registered “r” and who almost always vote). He lost because he lost independents and lost because the DNC got a lot of new voters to the polls as well as getting more of their base than normal (the people registered “D” but who usually don’t vote) to vote.

The same holds true for Romney.

the exact opposite is in fact true rather than your argument. Both Romney and McCain did far better than they otherwise would have because the base “held their noses” and voted for them,despite not liking them or being excited in any way. Because neither candidate had a decent GOTV program to get typical non-voters to the polls (usually LIVs) and because neither candidate could win independents (because neither candidate had an actual reason for running, had no real philosophy and were lousy candidates) is not the fault of conservatives.

If the GOP faithful would spend less time attacking conservatives and more time listening to conservatives, they might have a chance to win. Instead, running “me too” democrat lite candidates is ALWAYS going to end in failure. If the choice is between an “exciting” dem (first black president candidate, young, media adores) and a boring dem (old guy who really can’t articulate what he stands for or why he would be different than the dem) – the exciting dem is going to win.

All arguments to the contrary are absurd. Blaming McCain and Romney’s losses on conservatives is about as ignorant and/or dishonest as it gets.

Monkeytoe on November 20, 2013 at 2:15 PM

Why are you ashamed of your voting for them?

Del Dolemonte on November 20, 2013 at 2:07 PM

Because I made the mistake of believing that McCain and/or Romney wanted to win.

More importantly, because some still think that holding our noses is the right path to victory. It seems that the GOP needed to lose by a larger margin in order to learn from the experience.

ElectricPhase on November 20, 2013 at 2:16 PM

O’bama would never have been elected in the first place if so many idiot Republicans hadn’t stayed home from the polls in 2008. Even more of them stayed home last year. Because they stupidly refused to hold their noses and vote for their Party’s candidate.

At the same time, the reason the Democrats keep winning elections is because they do hold their noses and vote for their Party’s candidate, even if they don’t like that candidate.

Until the denser members of the Republican Party wake up and admit that fact to be true, the Party will continue to lose.

Del Dolemonte on November 20, 2013 at 1:18 PM

I fully agree with that.
I like to quote Mike Rosen (Dnever radio talk show) “party trumps person”. I made the mistake of going for Perot way back – never again voted 3rd party – or skipped a vote because I didn’t like the candidates. I have never yet seen a candidate that I agree with 100% – but I have seen plenty of Dem candidates that I DISAGREE with 100%.
Despite their failings, either McLame or Romney would have been far better for us than what we’ve got – although the damage 0bumble has wrought (with more to come for 2 terms worth) might just swing the whole country back the other way in a big way that would not have happened if McLame or Romney got in – IF we all survive….

dentarthurdent on November 20, 2013 at 2:29 PM

At the same time, the reason the Democrats keep winning elections is because they do hold their noses and vote for their Party’s candidate, even if they don’t like that candidate.
Del Dolemonte on November 20, 2013 at 1:18 PM

What’s really sad though is the Dem voters don’t even hold their noses to vote for the worst kind of people. They actually seem to like and prefer the scummiest (Dem) candidates.

dentarthurdent on November 20, 2013 at 2:31 PM

Of some note:

Go take a look at the data, on who the CBS poll, polled.

D’s 299

R’s 301

Independents 499

Very odd this.

Who be these one’s?

Methinks its a way to hide the decline of the O-hole within the D party.

If so,,,,, wow…

Even then if the independents have left him like this…. wow….

APACHEWHOKNOWS on November 20, 2013 at 3:00 PM

I like to quote Mike Rosen (Dnever radio talk show) “party trumps person”.

dentarthurdent on November 20, 2013 at 2:29 PM

I agree with this to the extent that the party generally pursues conservative policy. The problem we have is that the GOP does not.

So, I would never vote for a “conservative” democrat because it would add to a liberal / democrat majority, despite what the individual dem candidate claims to believe.

However, that is not the same thing as me voting FOR a republican. Both the party and the candidate have to earn my vote. For a lot of years, I have given my vote, time and money freely to the GOP. And, in return, the GOP calls me and other conservatives names, fights against my policy preferences, and fights for things I vehemently disagree with.

this idea that some of you have that the GOP = conservative principles, or even brings us closer to conservative principles, is deeply misguided. It is that very attitude that allows the GOP to lie to us every election cycle and tell us what we want to hear, only to stab us in the back every single time. Quick – which republican candidate ran saying he would vote for anything even close to amnesty? ZERO. Yet the entire GOP establishment, including candidates who ran claiming they were against it, are going to try and shove amnesty down our throats yet again.

I’m all for being a team player when the team is trying to achieve the same goal. the claim that the GOP and conservatives are trying to achieve the same goal is not supported by any evidence.

Yes, the GOP is a hair’s width closer to conservatism than the DNC, but that hair’s width is insufficient. And this isn’t about purity, which is of course the argument that will be thrown back at me. This is about honesty. There is a huge difference between requiring “purity” from a candidate and party versus simply wanting them to at least share some of your principles. The GOP shares very few, if any, conservative principles.

If the GOP doesn’t want conservative support, that is fine. Don’t court conservative support every election cycle. But don’t cry when conservatives get sick of the GOP lying during election cycles and calling them on it.

The GOP apologists want it both ways. They want conservatives to support the GOP but don’t want conservatives in the GOP. You can’t have it both ways. If you court conservatives, you have to deal with conservatives. And if conservatives are unhappy with your product, the fault lies not with the consumer. The consumer gets to pick what it wants. If you want me to buy your product, produce something that I want. Don’t put shit on a sandwich and tell me I’m obligated to purchase it because the other guy’s shit sandwich is even worse.

Monkeytoe on November 20, 2013 at 3:55 PM

Monkeytoe on November 20, 2013 at 3:55 PM

Put another way – the GOP apologists want us to be like the Conservative party in England. Claim to be conservative, be called conservative by the press, but in reality almost indistinguishable from the Labor party.

If we go down the road of “support the party” over principal – then what exactly is the point? that “our guy” wins an election? What does that matter when “our guy” does almost the exact same thing “their guy” would have done?

Monkeytoe on November 20, 2013 at 4:01 PM

Monkey and Dent –

I have heard alot of back and forth about the “missing GOP voters”, especially in 2012. I know there have been claims and counterclaims. I would be curious where each of you feel the current truth is based upon the analysis to date.

Zomcon JEM on November 20, 2013 at 4:15 PM

I agree with this to the extent that the party generally pursues conservative policy. The problem we have is that the GOP does not.

Monkeytoe on November 20, 2013 at 3:55 PM

I think this is the most important part of what you said. That is the real problem right now and what’s leading to people sitting out – the GOPe is NOT a conservative party any more. It’s frustrating as he11 for me to “hold my nose and vote” for whoever the R candidate is – because the party keeps picking non-conservative candidates. It’s getting harder all the time to keep voting R just because they’re the “lesser of 2 evils” (which I still believe they are – but the gap has been narrowing).
But I still think there’s a chance to change the path the GOP is on if we can get more conservatives energized in the primaries so we can get better choices in the general – and not have to keep holding our noses.

dentarthurdent on November 20, 2013 at 4:23 PM

I have heard alot of back and forth about the “missing GOP voters”, especially in 2012. I know there have been claims and counterclaims. I would be curious where each of you feel the current truth is based upon the analysis to date.

Zomcon JEM on November 20, 2013 at 4:15 PM

What about them? Do they exist? Why did they sit out?
I don’t really know – I don’t really trust any of the published statistics any more.
I’ve heard a lot of reasons for people supposedly just not voting – some didn’t like Romney, some thought Romney was too liberal because he was the Governor of Taxachusetts, some thought he was too conservative because he’s Mormon, some didn’t like that he was Mormon, some thought it wouldn’t make any difference since the Dems were bound to cheat to win no matter how people really voted.
That last one may very well have been the real answer…..

dentarthurdent on November 20, 2013 at 4:30 PM

I think this is the most important part of what you said. That is the real problem right now and what’s leading to people sitting out – the GOPe is NOT a conservative party any more.

dentarthurdent on November 20, 2013 at 4:23 PM

The GOP has never been a conservative party. There has always been a conservative wing in the GOP (or at least as long as modern American conservatism), but the GOP was not formed as a conservative party.

the GOP was essentially the party more closely aligned with business interests while the DNC was more closely aligned (since about FDR) with labor/populism. Being more aligned with business interests and being for low taxes made the GOP seem conservative compared to the DNC. But, business interests do not necessarily coincide with conservatism. See amnesty for illegals, or many regulations, or even insurers buying into Obamacare. And low taxes is not the sum of conservatism, particularly when spending restraint is not included in the mix.

The reality is the GOP has never been comfortable with or even liked conservatives. The GOP fought and disliked Goldwater. The GOP fought and disliked Reagan. It is revisionist history for the GOP to now claim that it always loved Reagan and what he stood for. However, because the GOP was the more conservative-seeming party, conservatives generally voted for the GOP.

2 things have happened over the last 30 years. The parties have changed from regional cooperatives that had many different ideologies (hence conservative democrats in the south and liberal republicans in the Northeast) to more ideological based parties.

this coincides with the American conservative movement becoming more sophisticated – both because it has grown since its birth and because the internet and talk radio allows conservatives to actually converse whereas prior there was no outlet – conservatives generally thought they were alone. And, based on this, conservatives became more educated and grouped together more, and found that they could actually achieve things that everyone always told them were impossible. In other words, things that were never even contemplated as being politically achievable during the Reagan years are now thought possible.

So, for years the GOP has been allowed to get away with lying about its agenda – telling conservatives one thing during an election cycle and then doing another thing – and conservatives thought they had no option.

But, conservatives have woken up. they no longer trust the GOP and realize that the GOP has never actually been a conservative party. All the GOP can claim is that it is the “more” conservative of the two parties. but that is not remotely the same thing.

We are now at a cross-roads of sorts. Conservatives have tried over the last 30 years (and even more forcefully with the Tea Party in the last 8 years) to move the GOP rightward and make the GOP a conservative party. The GOP is fighting this tooth and nail.

So, people who think that we should just blindly support the GOP are woefully mistaken about what the GOP is. the GOP is simply an entity that was created to elect candidates. It would prefer to take the easiest route possible to do that – and the easiest route possible to electoral victory is generally telling people they are going to get free stuff from Gov’t – not telling people that gov’t is going to do less, etc.

Monkeytoe on November 20, 2013 at 4:38 PM

What about them? Do they exist? Why did they sit out?
I don’t really know – I don’t really trust any of the published statistics any more.

dentarthurdent on November 20, 2013 at 4:30 PM

I’ll have to find it, but I saw some really good analysis (I believe some of it was at RealClearPolitics) that showed that neither Romney nor McCain lost conservative support from previous presidential elections. They lost independents and they both had lousy GOTV efforts so the low information voters that are irregular voters at best did not vote.

That is not to say that some conservatives refused to vote – I’m sure there were some. But not in the numbers these people claim.

The reason the total number of voters was down for both McCain and Romney from Bush in 2000 and 2004 was the lack of a good GOTV effort.

It is easy to see a drop in people overall voting and claim “the conservatives stayed home” but there is no real proof to that claim.

Monkeytoe on November 20, 2013 at 4:42 PM

Monkeytoe on November 20, 2013 at 4:42 PM

Monkeytoe on November 20, 2013 at 4:38 PM

I wouldn’t even try to dispute any of that – fully agree.
I personally think Romney’s biggest problem was he didn’t attack the Dems nearly as hard as he should have. He seemed to be trying to “play nice”, and as a result he got his @ss kicked by people who don’t play nice – or fair.

To be perfectly honest, in the last primary season, my first choice out of the initial GOP candidates was Herman Cain – until he imploded from the slime attacks. But I eventually went along with Romney because of his business background – despite his disappointing performances in the debates and some other places.

dentarthurdent on November 20, 2013 at 5:08 PM

I am now hoping for below 20%. Then and only then will I believe the country is not insane.

petunia on November 20, 2013 at 6:44 PM

CBS poll: Obama approval sinks nine points in a month to 37%

Did anyone catch CBS Evening News? Did they even report the results of their own poll. I looked up once at the TV while running at the gym, and they were running a long segment on ARod’s battle with MLB. I wouldn’t put it past them to skip their own poll and report a non-story about ARod.

PatMac on November 20, 2013 at 10:13 PM

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