Woman cited by Obama as ObamaCare success story … can’t afford her new insurance

posted at 11:21 am on November 19, 2013 by Allahpundit

When she signed up for coverage for herself and her son in October, the Washington state O-Care exchange quoted her a monthly premium of $169 after subsidies. Wonderful, she thought, and dashed off an e-mail to O congratulating him on his policy triumph. He read that e-mail at his presser in late October in the Rose Garden, back when Democratic panic was around DefCon 3 rather than the DefCon 1 it’s at now. Meanwhile, back in Washington state, his correspondent was receiving new letters from the state O-Care exchange — which, mind you, is supposed to be one of the better functioning systems in the country.

There’d been an error.

Sanford said she received another letter informing her the Washington state health exchange had miscalculated her eligibility for a tax credit.

In other words, her monthly insurance bill had shot up from $198 a month (she had initially said $169 a month to the White House but she switched plans) to $280 a month for the same “gold” plan offered by the state exchange.

Rate shock, part one. But then came the sequel:

Last week, Sanford received another letter from the Washington state exchange, stating there had been another problem, a “system error” that resulted in some “applicants to qualify for higher than allowed health insurance premium tax credits.”…

The result was a higher quote, which Sanford said was for $390 per month for a “silver” plan with a higher deductible. Still too expensive

A cheaper “bronze” plan, Sanford said, came in at $324 per month, but also with a high deductible – also not in her budget.

Her problem is both simple and complicated. Read this Washington State Wire post for the complicated part. The first erroneous premium quote was due to — surprise — the feds and the state not having their act together in calculating subsidies. The feds were expecting each applicant’s annual income; the state gave them each applicant’s monthly income. That led to a massive overestimate of how much taxpayer money each applicant was entitled to. The second bad quote came from poor advice given by the state itself: They encouraged her to enroll her son, who has ADHD, in the state Medicaid program, but they didn’t tell her that that meant he couldn’t be counted towards her federal subsidies for her ObamaCare plan. After the second adjustment, she was entitled to no subsidy at all. The Kafkaesque result, per CNN: “Now I have been priced out and will not be able to afford the plans you offer. But, I get to pay $95 and up for not having health insurance.”

That’s the complicated part, although don’t confuse “complicated” for “unanticipated.” When you remake one-sixth of the country’s economy, you’re destined to have lots of screw-ups and inefficiencies even with a competent administration in charge. As it is, we’re stuck with people who pegged the success or failure of the country’s biggest domestic reform in 50 years to their ability to build a functioning website and, despite three years’ lead time and hundreds of millions of dollars available, still couldn’t do it. On the other hand, though, the issue here is mercifully simple: New plans on the exchange simply cost too much for lower middle class people. Obama and the insurance industry needed the new plans to be more expensive than the old “cut-rate” ones in order to fund the de facto subsidy for covering preexisting conditions; that’s a burden that the upper middle class and, with great effort, the middle class itself can bear, but for lower middle class people who make slightly too much each year not to qualify for subsidies in paying their premiums, the Affordable Care Act ain’t all that affordable. It’s Obama’s misfortune that he chose the letter from this woman, of all people, to tout at the White House as evidence that the program was working. He’d have been much better off picking someone who was very poor and unquestionably entitled to a subsidy as a showpiece.

Update: Speaking of misfortune, when it rains, it pours.


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Success is overrated.

NotCoach on November 19, 2013 at 11:24 AM

Shocked!!

dentarthurdent on November 19, 2013 at 11:24 AM

and Bishop!!!!

dentarthurdent on November 19, 2013 at 11:24 AM

and Bishop!!!!

dentarthurdent on November 19, 2013 at 11:24 AM

Dang – guess not…

dentarthurdent on November 19, 2013 at 11:25 AM

She says she wants to make it clear she has no beef with Obama and Obamacare. She still believes in the Affordable Care Act. “I don’t want this to be a political thing,” she says. “I don’t want to be bashing the president. I don’t want to be bashing the ACA. I don’t want to come across as saying that. I am a big Obama fan.

But to me there is a big problem with the way the state is handling it. It is like a big machine – you put your stuff in there and once you do it, it is impossible to do anything. You can’t get through to them [on the phone], the website is really limited. So you are stuck on this big treadmill of bureaucracy, and you know, it feels very out of control.”

She’s stuck on stupid.

Flange on November 19, 2013 at 11:25 AM

She’s stuck on stupid.

Flange on November 19, 2013 at 11:25 AM

Typical libtard obamatron.

dentarthurdent on November 19, 2013 at 11:25 AM

She was expecting the Gold Plan but won’t even get the Scrap Metal one.

Ahhh…. the joys of Communism…. sucker.

viking01 on November 19, 2013 at 11:26 AM

Bummer!

Who could have predicted that?

Mr. Joe on November 19, 2013 at 11:26 AM

Yet another one who was all for Zerocare until she realized she will be one of the few paying for it.

stvnscott on November 19, 2013 at 11:27 AM

i feel sorry for her.She took the gold plan originally because of the premium mistake.

gerrym51 on November 19, 2013 at 11:28 AM

“Now I have been priced out and will not be able to afford the plans you offer. But, I get to pay $95 and up for not having health insurance.”

I wonder if Obama will read that letter.
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Bitter Clinger on November 19, 2013 at 11:28 AM

She’s stuck on stupid.

Flange on November 19, 2013 at 11:25 AM

She’s a serf.

gwelf on November 19, 2013 at 11:29 AM

Yet another one who was all for Zerocare until she realized she will be one of the few paying for it.

stvnscott on November 19, 2013 at 11:27 AM

You give her way too much credit. She isn’t that smart.

Flange on November 19, 2013 at 11:29 AM

He chose her letter because it probably was the only positive one he had received.

Mallard T. Drake on November 19, 2013 at 11:30 AM

Ladies and gentlemen, this is what SMART Power!!!111!!!!elebinty looks like.

Could we please get some stupid people to run things? Life was much better when the dolts were in charge. I don’t think our country can take anymore of the smartest people in the room running our government.

jukin3 on November 19, 2013 at 11:30 AM

“Now I have been priced out and will not be able to afford the plans you offer. But, I get to pay $95 and up for not having health insurance.”

Join the club sister. It doesn’t matter at what end of the political system you are to know that Obamacare blows.

Obama, the Uniter.

MichaelGabriel on November 19, 2013 at 11:31 AM

Does anyone doubt that this woman will continue voting for Dem candidates?

mjbrooks3 on November 19, 2013 at 11:31 AM

“Now I have been priced out and will not be able to afford the plans you offer. But, I get to pay $95 and up for not having health insurance.”

I wonder if Obama will read that letter.
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Bitter Clinger on November 19, 2013 at 11:28 AM

And she’s in for another shock. The “tax penalty” for not being insured is $95 or 1% whichever is higher.

gwelf on November 19, 2013 at 11:31 AM

He’d have been much better off picking someone who was very poor and unquestionably entitled to a subsidy as a showpiece.

How many people who are “very poor” are actually motivated enough to sit down and write a letter to the President?

Besides the fact that most of them are probably being shunted off into Medicaid anyway….

PetecminMd on November 19, 2013 at 11:31 AM

Shorter Sanford: Gosh, I love obama and obamacare, but I just don’t want to pay more for it.

Law of the land and all that.

rightside on November 19, 2013 at 11:31 AM

I can’t seem to muster up any sympathy for her. Not that I tried.

Is it worth all this pain if progressivism gets buried in the ash heap of history? I vote yes, but I wonder what they’ll change the name to this time.

Naturally Curly on November 19, 2013 at 11:32 AM

She’s not a victim, if she can’t get what she wants out of her own state’s exchange website, she can just go to healthcare.gov. And if that doesn’t work for her, she can just go to her sta….ohhhhhhh.

If’s funny she doesn’t want to criticize government red tape or the patron saint of government red tape, Barack Obama.

Just think how much this consumer is being protected from ruthless insurance companies by not having a policy?

Axeman on November 19, 2013 at 11:33 AM

ACA

Always Climbing Afterwards

Electrongod on November 19, 2013 at 11:33 AM

HA, please keep these heart warming stories coming. They just make me feel good all over.

msupertas on November 19, 2013 at 11:33 AM

“She supports the Affordable Care Act”, which she now cannot afford. ROFLOL!!!

txhsmom on November 19, 2013 at 11:34 AM

Dang – guess not…

dentarthurdent on November 19, 2013 at 11:25 AM

Pfft, I eat Bishops for breakfast.

NotCoach on November 19, 2013 at 11:34 AM

And she’s in for another shock. The “tax penalty” for not being insured is $95 or 1% whichever is higher.

gwelf on November 19, 2013 at 11:31 AM

And since premiums will be going up, they won’t be affordable next year either….

…and the tax goes up!

Obamacare Tax Death Spiral

MichaelGabriel on November 19, 2013 at 11:34 AM

Look, nobody said building a despotic Utopian world would be easy. Uh, except the despot but come on!

onomo on November 19, 2013 at 11:35 AM

On the bright side, her paying more for inferior insurance halts global warming… (because there is no global warming, or in her case affordable insurance)

mjbrooks3 on November 19, 2013 at 11:35 AM

She’s an ‘Obama fan’ so this woman most likely voted for him, in which case, I hope she goes bankrupt and faces complete financial ruin.

zoyclem on November 19, 2013 at 11:35 AM

She’s obviously another right-wing operative trying to sabotage the perception of ObamaCare. The program is the best thing since sliced bread!

- Libs

VinceOfDoom on November 19, 2013 at 11:35 AM

“bronze” plan, Sanford said, came in at $324 per month

This plan truly is JUNK. It has a $6500/year deductible. After getting past the deductible it is only 60/40.

Before the cACA Obama HellCare there weren’t policies at 60/40. Why would there be? Nobody would buy them if they were not forced at the pint of a gun.

My substandard plan cost a little less than her “bronze” plan, has a $3000/year deductible and is 80/20.

jukin3 on November 19, 2013 at 11:35 AM

“Someone should shiite in this woman’s mouth!”

-Bashir

Bishop on November 19, 2013 at 11:37 AM

Does anyone doubt that this woman will continue voting for Dem candidates?

mjbrooks3 on November 19, 2013 at 11:31 AM

Nope. But Kool-Aid drinkers stay home sometimes.

NotCoach on November 19, 2013 at 11:37 AM

Video of the day

Schadenfreude on November 19, 2013 at 11:37 AM

I was rummaging around in the back of my computer and came across a write-up I did on the morning after I completely stopped Al Green’s (D-TX09) health care town hall meeting in Houston on Wednesday August 26, 2009. This meeting was his only one and he had already proclaimed it a rousing success because up until I got the mic it had been so well scripted everyone was asleep. Here is my last summary paragraph:

Take away – this is a sham. Our GDP for 2008 was $14 trillion (and falling). I will accept the $2.5 trillion annual number as that comports very well with the 16%-20% of our economy number that is touted (Julie, when you hear the term 1/6 of our economy, think 16%). They are trying to get the taxpayers to fund the take over of that portion of our privately held, capitalist economy with a mere 5% infusion of our own cash over a 10 year period. To put it even closer perspective, Bush’s worst year of presiding over deficit spending was in 2008 when it was 3.5% of GDP and that includes his half of the $700 billion he authorized prior to leaving office. Obama has requested and received commitments from congress to spend 14% of GDP this year alone. This is before healthcare, cap and trade and all the other pie in the sky things liberals have been ginning for since history began (1957 in case you were wondering). If you have not been engaged up to this point you better do so. This is going to leave a mark.

I had used Al Green’s own numbers 1) $2.5 trillion annual HC revenue, 2) Projected 5% increase over ten years = $1.25 trillion, they were targeting less than $1 trillion increase over ten years using every trick imaginable and claiming an instant “saving”, aka bending the cost curve, etc.

We’ve come a long way and gotten nowhere.

DanMan on November 19, 2013 at 11:38 AM

back when Democratic panic was around DefCon 3 rather than the DefCon 1 it’s at now.

Too many people get this backward.

I’m glad you didn’t.

KingGold on November 19, 2013 at 11:38 AM

OT: what’s up with obama skipping Gettysburg anniversary because of obamacare but will have time for JFK 50th anniversary?????

Got it….Lincoln was a gop and JFK was a dem

cmsinaz on November 19, 2013 at 11:39 AM

The Europeans are way ahead of the American socialists.

European social democracy doesn’t really work that well but there is at least a nationally recognized reality that everyone has to pay a lot into the government system for it to “work”. Europeans know that a massive entitlement state requires massive taxation on the middle class and businesses (via a VAT tax).

American liberals know that Americans HATE taxes and that many of the low-information liberals like the idea of social justice and free stuff but don’t want to actually pay for any of it. American liberals have chosen to lie to the public (with help from the media) about the actual costs of a centrally planned government society.

gwelf on November 19, 2013 at 11:39 AM

Clearly delusional.
She blames it all on her state exchange.

While some blame may fall there, after all, it was stupid enough to establish an exchange, she holds the feds and ‘bambi harmless.

Leftists and moochers…. eat your peas and this sandwich.

freedomfirst on November 19, 2013 at 11:40 AM

No sympathy

cmsinaz on November 19, 2013 at 11:40 AM

Pfft, I eat Bishops for breakfast.

NotCoach on November 19, 2013 at 11:34 AM

My first post actually showed up on the page as the only one initially, but then yours popped in above it.
Do they have you on auto moderate for some reason?

dentarthurdent on November 19, 2013 at 11:40 AM

He read that e-mail at his presser in late October in the Rose Garden, back when Democratic panic was around DefCon 3 rather than the DefCon 1 it’s at now.

IMO, the infamous Sham-Wow speech was the beginning of the end of Obamacare. It showed just how bad it all was complete with the constant repeating of a 1-800 number that proved to be nothing like what was promised by Obama. Nobody was madder than him about that.

As for Ms. Sanford, I wonder where she thinks those subsidies come from. It’s bad public policy that she finds herself in that area where she makes to much to be a complete mooch but not enough to be able to afford insurance. Nevertheless, she also seems to think that subsidies are generated out of pixie dust or something. There is this attitude that she is entitled to subsidies without any recognition that somebody else’s family is deprived of income for those give-aways.

Happy Nomad on November 19, 2013 at 11:41 AM

“She supports the Affordable Care Act”, which she now cannot afford. ROFLOL!!!

txhsmom on November 19, 2013 at 11:34 AM

Unfortunately stupidity isn’t covered under Obamacare

workingclass artist on November 19, 2013 at 11:41 AM

Was this a flub, a Freudian slip or Goebellian?

Schadenfreude on November 19, 2013 at 11:41 AM

Update: Speaking of misfortune, when it rains, it pours.

From the link:

Whether or not people could hear may not have mattered much.

“I CAN’T HEAR YOU, MR PRESIDENT, BUT I’M BEHIND YOU,” one person wrote. “PLEASE STICK IT OUT WITH OBAMACARE. THE COUNTRY NEEDS IT … AND YOU.”

The glitch was at the very least inconvenient for a White House that has been struggling to combat the perception that it cannot get things done.

“Just like healthcare.gov, this site doesn’t work either,” another supporter said. “It is tougher and tougher to defend all of this mr president.”

The Rats seem divided.

Bitter Clinger on November 19, 2013 at 11:41 AM

LOL

Akzed on November 19, 2013 at 11:42 AM

`

Got it….Lincoln was a gop and JFK was a dem

cmsinaz on November 19, 2013 at 11:39 AM


Wrong!

blammm on November 19, 2013 at 11:42 AM

cmsinaz on November 19, 2013 at 11:39 AM

And Dallas is in a red state. It was the racist RepubliKKKans who killed JFK, dontcha know.

stvnscott on November 19, 2013 at 11:43 AM

As a freelance court reporter, Sanford, 48, doesn’t make a lot – a little less than $50,000 a year. That doesn’t go very far when there is a child in the household and his father doesn’t pay child support

.
Given these 2 sentences, is it a surprise that she refuses to accept reality and still supports Obama and Big Government?

Stockholm Syndrome.

weaselyone on November 19, 2013 at 11:43 AM

My first post actually showed up on the page as the only one initially, but then yours popped in above it.
Do they have you on auto moderate for some reason?

dentarthurdent on November 19, 2013 at 11:40 AM

No, I’m Bishopfathered in. :P

Seriously, just the intertubes trying to catch up. My post showed up immediately for me, but yours was right after mine when I posted.

NotCoach on November 19, 2013 at 11:44 AM

“But, I get to pay $95 and up for not having health insurance.”

You must be new around here? Welcome to reality!

blammm on November 19, 2013 at 11:44 AM

Sanford’s objection: “The only problem with Obamacare is that its subsidies aren’t extensive to reach me! So it obviously must be expanded.”

BuckeyeSam on November 19, 2013 at 11:44 AM

I have been to the places that have, or have had, centrally planned economies enforced by autocratic rule. I have seen starvation. And to those who have voted for that, and are just now beginning to feel the tingle of hunger up their leg, I can only say-

BWAAAAAHAAAAAHAAAAHAAAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAsnortHAHAHAHAchoke,coughHAHAHAHAhahaha…heh…sniff, wipe tear

When you fall, I’ll take your gear. Good luck.

M240H on November 19, 2013 at 11:45 AM

just imagine the outrage and demands for monetary recompense if a private sector corporation had mis-calculated something like this. the SEC would be all over it. but for some reason people think if it’s the govt that makes it an innocent mistake.

chasdal on November 19, 2013 at 11:45 AM

This plan truly is JUNK. It has a $6500/year deductible. After getting past the deductible it is only 60/40.

Before the cACA Obama HellCare there weren’t policies at 60/40. Why would there be? Nobody would buy them if they were not forced at the pint of a gun.

My substandard plan cost a little less than her “bronze” plan, has a $3000/year deductible and is 80/20.

jukin3 on November 19, 2013 at 11:35 AM

That is why she will NOT be getting insured, and paying $95 or 1% of her income which is $480-$550 for the penalty/tax. That will be for FULL COVERAGE, too. That will be all she pays, since the law doesn’t say that if you pay the penalty, you have to pay anything more. I could be wrong, but I haven’t read anywhere that one has to pay more than the penalty.

Who in their right mind (Read: 20-30 year olds) would pay a premium and high deductibles if all they have to do is pay that measly amount?

$550 penalty; or $350 a month + copays + yearly deductible…no brainer. This is why this law will fail. Even when it hits 2%, it will be worth it for some to forgo buying these substandard plans.

Patriot Vet on November 19, 2013 at 11:45 AM

A coworker’s wife here in Oregon is a high risk health plan qualifier. The state called her last night, telling her they have given up registering on the HealthCare website, and that she needed to complete paperwork and have it into them by Monday. She also said that it’s not their fault, because it was a “national problem”, not on Oregon’s end and that they were “giving up” on waiting for the Feds.

What a clusterfark this whole situation is. No doubt their plan will be more expensive.

portlandon on November 19, 2013 at 11:46 AM

OT: what’s up with obama skipping Gettysburg anniversary because of obamacare but will have time for JFK 50th anniversary?????

cmsinaz on November 19, 2013 at 11:39 AM

The only thing on Obama’s schedule today is a speech to a bunch of CEOs this afternoon. Obamacare may be the topic but, even if it is, the issue is not a priority today.

I’m just surprised that a black, from Illinois no less, would so disrespect Lincoln. It’s not like he has the approval numbers to ignore every little photo-op that might garner some approval.

Happy Nomad on November 19, 2013 at 11:47 AM

She says she wants to make it clear she has no beef with Obama and Obamacare. She still believes in the Affordable Care Act. “I don’t want this to be a political thing,” she says. “I don’t want to be bashing the president. I don’t want to be bashing the ACA. I don’t want to come across as saying that. I am a big Obama fan.

What the ever-loving f*ck does it take to get these cult worshipers to wake the f*ck up?

Midas on November 19, 2013 at 11:48 AM

So she was able to sign her son up for Medicaid? That’s a half-success. Winning! Of course, Medicaid expansion could’ve just been done without Obamacare destroying the health insurance market.

RSbrewer on November 19, 2013 at 11:50 AM

A coworker’s wife here in Oregon is a high risk health plan qualifier. The state called her last night, telling her they have given up registering on the HealthCare website, and that she needed to complete paperwork and have it into them by Monday.

portlandon on November 19, 2013 at 11:46 AM

Well, I guess she’ll fly on her own wings after all! I’m not sure I buy blaming the feds- I thought Oregon was running their own exchange. I had thought that was done independent of the Healthcare.gov exchange.

Happy Nomad on November 19, 2013 at 11:50 AM

Video of the day

Schadenfreude on November 19, 2013 at 11:37 AM

Amy Holmes needs to be on all the time.

BuckeyeSam on November 19, 2013 at 11:51 AM

She’s stuck on stupid.

[Flange on November 19, 2013 at 11:25 AM]

No kidding.

Dusty on November 19, 2013 at 11:51 AM

Midas on November 19, 2013 at 11:48 AM

You are an erudite scholar. I could not have articulated the sentiment any better.

freedomfirst on November 19, 2013 at 11:52 AM

Ooopsie blammm

But of course stvnscott

cmsinaz on November 19, 2013 at 11:52 AM

“As a freelance court reporter, Sanford, 48, doesn’t make a lot – a little less than $50,000 a year. That doesn’t go very far when there is a child in the household and his father doesn’t pay child support”

Yet…she has the money to purchase a very expensive iMac computer…

FlyNavy on November 19, 2013 at 11:53 AM

Does anyone doubt that this woman will continue voting for Dem candidates?

mjbrooks3 on November 19, 2013 at 11:31 AM

I have no doubt that she’ll vote Democrat until the day she dies.

As George Orwell said in 1984, “If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – forever.” In this case, she’s responding, “Thank you sir, may I have another?”

Throat Wobbler Mangrove on November 19, 2013 at 11:54 AM

This is worthy of Obama facepalm picture.

tommer74 on November 19, 2013 at 11:54 AM

In Lincoln’s larger shadow. See the picture in the link.

Schadenfreude on November 19, 2013 at 11:56 AM

Dam-it! I just started my new schadenfreude free diet and all was going well. Now I’m sitting here eating a big ol plate of it. This stuff is just so delicious.

neyney on November 19, 2013 at 11:57 AM

Obama is hoping that once people are in the system all the problems can be hidden under a privacy rule of some sort…

albill on November 19, 2013 at 11:57 AM

I was very sympathetic until I learned she is willfully uneducable.

Mason on November 19, 2013 at 11:58 AM

Sanford’s objection: “The only problem with Obamacare is that its subsidies aren’t extensive to reach me! So it obviously must be expanded.”

BuckeyeSam on November 19, 2013 at 11:44 AM

You beat me to it. Her picture is already being framed and hung on Bernie Sanders office wall. She will be the poster-doof for expanding the subsidies, then when that collapses on to single payer. Just the beginning folks, just the beginning.

2ndMAW68 on November 19, 2013 at 11:59 AM

Wonder if she’s one of those abused wives who likes the abuse in addition to still liking Ocare.

chewmeister on November 19, 2013 at 11:59 AM

OT-

Ken Burns office just came out and claimed that the rat-eared bastard was only reading the copy of the Gettysburg Address they gave him (despite it being the only one of 58 that omitted “under God”). Anything to protect the lazy stupid coward.

Happy Nomad on November 19, 2013 at 12:01 PM

This is why this law will fail.

Patriot Vet on November 19, 2013 at 11:45 AM

ObamaCare — law of the land.

Brings to mind the saying …

If this is the law, then “the law is a ass”

/always wondered why it wasn’t “AN ass”

Paul-Cincy on November 19, 2013 at 12:01 PM

150 years ago

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate — we can not consecrate — we can not hallow — this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us — that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion — that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain — that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom — and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

Abraham Lincoln

November 19, 1863

Schadenfreude on November 19, 2013 at 12:02 PM

So we have the “Affordable Health Care Act” because ‘poor’ people couldn’t afford insurance and were using the local hospital ER as their ‘insurance policy’. Of course everyone else using the hospital was overcharged in order to SUBSIDIZING health care for the ‘poor’.

Now the ACA provides those ‘poor’ people with health care policies that are SUBSIDIZED by tax credits and higher premiums paid by others for their health care policies.

So what’s changed? The ‘poor’ are still SUBSIDIZED and other people now being priced out of the market and/or having their previous health care policies canceled.

Great job Obama!

GarandFan on November 19, 2013 at 12:02 PM

And could we stop pretending that subsidies are some sort of slush fund of “free” money? Every dollar allocated out to somebody who “qualifies” for a subsidy is money taken from another family.

Happy Nomad on November 19, 2013 at 12:03 PM

Get bent lady. You backed this horse, now ride it all the way to the finish line and you better do it with a smile.

JAGonzo on November 19, 2013 at 12:04 PM

Speaking of stupid,

One of the socialists running for Governor of Maryland just introduced her “Smoke a joint, educate a kid” proposal. She wants the free state to fund pre-K education with a pot tax.

Happy Nomad on November 19, 2013 at 12:05 PM

that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom — and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

Abraham Lincoln

November 19, 1863

Schadenfreude on November 19, 2013 at 12:02 PM

that the nation shall have a new birth of freedom — and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

Barak Obama, 2013

There are some things you don’t do. Editing Lincoln at Gettysburg is one of those things you don’t do.

Happy Nomad on November 19, 2013 at 12:08 PM

HOW’S THAT WHITE GUILT WORKIN’ OUT FOR YA?…

Pest on November 19, 2013 at 12:08 PM

If this lady had a brain (and she’s a REB voter, so…) she would shop around counties and neighboring states that she could commute from. The costs of Obamacare (ie, all) health insurance packages now varies enormously and inexplicably from county to county, and state to state.

It used to be we would consider moves based on state and local income taxes, and property taxes. Now health insurance premiums, which I call Obamacare stealth income taxes, have to be considered as well.

slickwillie2001 on November 19, 2013 at 12:10 PM

“bronze” plan, Sanford said, came in at $324 per month

This plan truly is JUNK. It has a $6500/year deductible. After getting past the deductible it is only 60/40.

Before the cACA Obama HellCare there weren’t policies at 60/40. Why would there be? Nobody would buy them if they were not forced at the pint of a gun.

My substandard plan cost a little less than her “bronze” plan, has a $3000/year deductible and is 80/20.

jukin3 on November 19, 2013 at 11:35 AM

Yeah, but you can offset that deductible by up to $2500 in a flexible spending account if you buy your insurance through your employer.

Oh, wait. She bought her insurance through the exchange.

Uh oh.

The Obama administration has reduced flexible spending plans to a max of $2500, presumably on the theory that, with Obamacare, you wouldn’t need more.

Now, with Obamacare, people need big flexible spending plans more than ever.

The Obama administration has been an absolute disaster for the poor and middle class.

There Goes the Neighborhood on November 19, 2013 at 12:12 PM

Let’s talk Gay Marriage!

Little Boomer on November 19, 2013 at 12:15 PM

elections have consequences…

burserker on November 19, 2013 at 12:17 PM

…The Obama administration has reduced flexible spending plans to a max of $2500, presumably on the theory that, with Obamacare, you wouldn’t need more…

There Goes the Neighborhood on November 19, 2013 at 12:12 PM

This also raises your taxes if you were putting more than $2,500 aside. He’s already raised taxes on me/my family by capping flex spending accounts.

freedomfirst on November 19, 2013 at 12:23 PM

“As a freelance court reporter, Sanford, 48, doesn’t make a lot – a little less than $50,000 a year. That doesn’t go very far when there is a child in the household and his father doesn’t pay child support”

And there you go. Voting for big government is so much easier than the hard work of marrying a faithful man and keeping a marriage together.

Good marriages and families are the foundation of a healthy nation. When you don’t have them, you get big government. When you get big government, you get high debt and bad economies.

The “fiscal conservatives” who complain about “social conservatives” should read and heed. Without strong families, you will never have fiscal conservatism.

There Goes the Neighborhood on November 19, 2013 at 12:23 PM

Good marriages and families are the foundation of a healthy nation. When you don’t have them, you get big government. When you get big government, you get high debt and bad economies.

The “fiscal conservatives” who complain about “social conservatives” should read and heed. Without strong families, you will never have fiscal conservatism.

There Goes the Neighborhood on November 19, 2013 at 12:23 PM

Chicken and the egg in my mind.

Do we have weaker families because of big government or do we have big government because of weaker families?

If we reduce the size of big government, do we not automatically incentivize stronger families? If people can’t rely upon the government for their needs, they will have to find other means for support.

I believe smaller government leads to stronger families and that stronger families leads to smaller government.

weaselyone on November 19, 2013 at 12:28 PM

As a freelance court reporter, Sanford, 48, doesn’t make a lot – a little less than $50,000 a year. That doesn’t go very far when there is a child in the household and his father doesn’t pay child support

Hey Obot, go after the deadbeat and when he’s done paying you all the child support back payments you’ll likely be able to afford that “Gold Plan” but you’ll most likely be in a higher tax bracket too so……

D-fusit on November 19, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Is it bad that I don’t feel the least bit sorry for people like this?

Jack_Burton on November 19, 2013 at 12:30 PM

Ha, Ha!! The only thing that will make this story better is if her identity gets stolen and her meager bank account gets sucked dry because she gave her information to criminals while trying to get insurance.

Dollayo on November 19, 2013 at 12:32 PM

And could we stop pretending that subsidies are some sort of slush fund of “free” money? Every dollar allocated out to somebody who “qualifies” for a subsidy is money taken from another family.

[Happy Nomad on November 19, 2013 at 12:03 PM]

I know what you mean. It annoys me no end that this woman, who makes $50K/yr, thought she should receive a government subsidy at all, much less one for her and one for her son, who she’s enrolled in Medicaid.

And regards your point, on the one hand, she supports the idea of Obamacare, but, on the other, she won’t support it with the $3,888 ($324×12) minimum she needs to pay to make it work and will instead dump the $3,388 she puts it into the red on everyone else and she’ll pay the $500 penalty.

Dusty on November 19, 2013 at 12:39 PM

As a freelance court reporter, Sanford, 48, doesn’t make a lot – a little less than $50,000 a year. That doesn’t go very far when there is a child in the household and his father doesn’t pay child support

Bogus—Netting 3500 a month or so is plenty—change your lifestyle if not…I know, cause wife and I live on 2500 and we have health sharing ministry coverage…she deserves ZERO help via tax credits..

hillsoftx on November 19, 2013 at 12:40 PM

As a freelance court reporter, Sanford, 48, doesn’t make a lot – a little less than $50,000 a year. That doesn’t go very far when there is a child in the household and his father doesn’t pay child support

Bogus—Netting 3500 a month or so is plenty—change your lifestyle if not…I know, cause wife and I live on 2500 and we have health sharing ministry coverage…she deserves ZERO help via tax credits..

hillsoftx on November 19, 2013 at 12:40 PM

Why doesn’t the father pay child support?

Happy Nomad on November 19, 2013 at 12:45 PM

She is simply not capable of intelligent thought.

“But to me there is a big problem with the way the state is handling it. It is like a big machine – you put your stuff in there and once you do it, it is impossible to do anything. You can’t get through to them [on the phone], the website is really limited. So you are stuck on this big treadmill of bureaucracy, and you know, it feels very out of control.”

She can’t grasp that A is A. She’s wants some national health care system, but doesn’t want some big machine like bureaucracy. They really do believe in unicorns and health care gnomes.

Flange on November 19, 2013 at 12:47 PM

FSA. She got “S.” One out of three ain’t bad. Count your blessings.

Christien on November 19, 2013 at 12:53 PM

Ask the stupid moronic Obama voting biatch where the money for her deductibles and co-pays are going to come from. I bet here eyes glaze over in confusion. “What’s a deductible?”

oldroy on November 19, 2013 at 12:58 PM

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