Uh oh: Carney won’t say specifically whether Obama knew about Healthcare.gov’s problems back in March

posted at 6:41 pm on November 19, 2013 by Allahpundit

One of the interesting things to me about the “what did Obama know and when” subplot to the Healthcare.gov Chernobyl is how little anyone on either side seems to care whether he’s telling the truth. He’s sworn up and down, as recently as last week during his big White House presser, that he had no idea how profound the site’s troubles were, which is almost impossible to believe. Either he’s lying his ass off again, hot on the heels of his Big Lie about people keeping their plans having been exposed, or he really is so far out to lunch even on his highest domestic priorities that he was blissfully clueless about the state of the health-care Manhattan Project for more than three years. That should be a big story — “Obama: Liar or Grossly Incompetent?” — but it’s more of a curio. Why?

Now that WaPo’s revealed that the White House had reason to believe six months before launch that the site was in deep trouble, Carney’s being cagier about what the man in charge was aware of:

Speaking to reporters Tuesday, Carney said, “The president received regular briefings on various aspects of implementing the [health care law], including the recommendations from this review and the steps that [agencies] had taken to address those recommendations.”

Carney did not say if the president learned the details of the [March] assessment, which included warnings that the call-in centers would not work properly if the online system was malfunctioning, and that insufficient testing would make it difficult to fix problems after the launch.

“As we have said many times now, I myself many times and others, and this has been frequently reported, flags were raised throughout the development of the Web site, as would be the case for any IT project of this size and complexity,” he said. “Those issues, including the ones from six months before the launch, were in turn taken up by the development team housed at [the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid]. But nobody anticipated the size and scope of the problems we experienced once the site was launched, as we’ve discussed repeatedly.”

Why isn’t this a bigger story than it is? Lots of reasons. Mainly it’s because O-Care’s implementation is so disastrous in so many ways — the website, the “rate shock” horror stories, the “if you like your plan” fiasco, the palpable panic among Democrats on the Hill — that it can’t help but overshadow Obama’s personal culpability. Plus, there’s little “gotcha” to be had in proving that O knew all along that the launch would be catastrophic. Arguably it’s even worse if he really didn’t know; politicians lie all the time about their personal responsibility for policy failures, but the lack of oversight Obama’s been copping to is genuinely shocking on an agenda item this big. His thinking, I guess, it’s that it’s always better to be seen as well-meaning and negligent than incompetent and deceitful but I’m not sure that rule holds in a matter as momentous as remaking the health-care system. Beyond all that, though, the bloom is far enough off the Hopenchange rose that there’d be no shock value left in proving that O’s lying about the extent of his awareness of the site’s problems. Everyone knows by now that he’s willing to lie, repeatedly and without qualification, about ObamaCare; the lie about people keeping their plans was, by any measure, a bigger lie than the one he’s probably guilty of in claiming now he didn’t know how badly off the website was. Two years ago, this would have complicated his Bambi-esque image. Today, after the IRS scandal, the NSA surveillance revelations, and the “if you like your plan” debacle, it’s just not that important. After all of that, either you’ve already changed your mind about O or you never will. Proof positive that he knew Healthcare.gov was a trainwreck but approved it anyway won’t move the needle.

Via Mediaite, here’s a beleaguered Jay Carney finding comfort in mocking his new antagonists. Oh, by the way — you’ll be pleased to know that the subsidies calculator for the federal website should finally be working by … mid-January, just two short months away. God willing, as Joe Biden would say. Click the image to watch.

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One of the interesting things to me about the “what did Obama know and when” subplot to the Healthcare.gov Chernobyl is how little anyone on either side seems to care whether he’s telling the truth.

Everyone with even half a brain knows Barky is/was/will be lying. Anyone even barely sentient knows that Barky always lies.

To add, it doesn’t matter what Barky knew or when. He’s responsible for this un-Constitutional crime against America (R.I.P.). It’s hard to care about any of this when we all know that the GOP hasn’t got the integrity to hold Barky, or anyone, accountable for the crime, the fraud, the Constitutional offense, … for anything. So, what’s the point of caring about something that won’t be dealt with, especially when we all know what the story is, anyway?

Until Barky is being fitted for an orange jumpsuit, nothing really matters.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on November 19, 2013 at 6:47 PM

“Obama: Liar or Grossly Incompetent?”

Yes.

What makes you think that in the case of Barky, they’re mutually exclusive?

Roc on November 19, 2013 at 6:47 PM

Amazing, but he is lying his ass off.

jake49 on November 19, 2013 at 6:47 PM

Won’t click. Won’t watch. Seen one Carney, seen ‘em all.

Marcola on November 19, 2013 at 6:49 PM

“The president received regular briefings on various aspects of implementing the [health care law],

Translation :
Hussein’s briefs were regularly changed by his nurses

burrata on November 19, 2013 at 6:52 PM

That should be a big story — “Obama: Liar or Grossly Incompetent?” — but it’s more of a curio. Why?

He’s incompetently malevolent. Malevolent because he wants to “fundamentally transform” America from a country based on Natural Rights into a fascist one party state. Incompetent because this, like everything else he touches, is a clusterfark.

rbj on November 19, 2013 at 6:53 PM

At this stage I don’t think we can believe Carney if he says its Tuesday. Obama? Who even wants to hear him talk? Every word is just pure fiction, and often for uncertain or opaque reasons. He’s just pathological.

MTF on November 19, 2013 at 6:54 PM

Obama knows nothing about everything and everything about nothing.

VorDaj on November 19, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Obama is the smartest potted plant to ever be in the White House.

VorDaj on November 19, 2013 at 6:57 PM

…..is how little anyone on either side seems to care whether he’s telling the truth.

They don’t ask because they don’t want to be lied to.

DaveDief on November 19, 2013 at 6:58 PM

If the WH Press Corpse had any shame ( and it is a biiiiig if) they would stop attending these stupid lying fests hosted by Carnee.
What purpose does it serve anyway ?

burrata on November 19, 2013 at 6:58 PM

What’s the over-under on Obama’s presidency reaching the death spiral before Obamacare itself?

TXUS on November 19, 2013 at 6:59 PM

Can’t create a website with over 3 years of lead time, but you can trust em to get e-verify up and running once we pass amnesty.

El_Terrible on November 19, 2013 at 7:01 PM

Spoiler alert: Obama lied

Chuck Schick on November 19, 2013 at 7:01 PM

Yes, Mr. President, you are that stupid…!

d1carter on November 19, 2013 at 7:05 PM

Valerie Jarrett is a loser…

d1carter on November 19, 2013 at 7:06 PM

He may have heard about it on TV or something.

Philly on November 19, 2013 at 7:06 PM

Soylent Green is on Turner Classic Movies at midnight EST, followed by The Fountainhead.

Obama is a lying sack of equine excrement. Carney should be laughed off the podium.

Naturally Curly on November 19, 2013 at 7:07 PM

Won’t click. Won’t watch. Seen one Carney, seen ‘em all.

Marcola on November 19, 2013 at 6:49 PM

Heh. The reporter noted that 30% to 40% of the site need for payments to the insurance companies have not even been built…. Carney responds by saying something about the President saying they are building them. These people are slippery. A LARGE CHUNK is not BUILT Carney. (What and appropriate name).

CWchangedhisNicagain on November 19, 2013 at 7:10 PM

Really buying into his BS about the ‘People testifying on Capitol Hill’ and therefore not being allowed to Plug the Hole fix the Website are the people (tech nerds) actually doing the work…

Yeah…I called for a tow truck 3 hours ago but the CEO of GM is busy testifying on Capitol Hill…

Nice effort ….

BigWyo on November 19, 2013 at 7:10 PM

How come the Republicans won’t ask for an itemized account of where all the money has gone for the website. These people are all crazy.

envycat on November 19, 2013 at 7:10 PM

Hard to believe now that King Barack really had all that ‘vast executive experience’.

GarandFan on November 19, 2013 at 7:12 PM

He’s sworn up and down, as recently as last week during his big White House presser, that he had no idea how profound the site’s troubles were, which is almost impossible to believe.

It is literally impossible for me to believe. That as big an egotist as Obama is would be made to appear to the public and his political enemies as an ignorant fool and a liar because his underlings withheld critical information from him and then did not fire them for it is beyond belief. If you make your boss look bad to a customer or a stockholder or a government regulator through a deliberate decision to misinform him through omission, you WILL be fired. Obama hasn’t fired ANYBODY in the White House for this, so it didn’t happen.

Socratease on November 19, 2013 at 7:13 PM

How come the Republicans won’t ask for an itemized account of where all the money has gone for the website. These people are all crazy.

envycat on November 19, 2013 at 7:10 PM

Because they won’t get one???

And even if they did, do you suppose it would be accurate?

BigWyo on November 19, 2013 at 7:14 PM

What’s the over-under on Obama’s presidency reaching the death spiral before Obamacare itself?

TXUS on November 19, 2013 at 6:59 PM

Who knows. He’s too arrogant to resign, so why not let him double, triple and quadruple-down to the point that he damages the Democrat Party – and liberalism itself – beyond the point of repair?

Myron Falwell on November 19, 2013 at 7:14 PM

Where are the trolls?

Granted I haven’t been here often….but…
Where are the trolls?

Electrongod on November 19, 2013 at 7:14 PM

More lies about no alternative being offered.

CWchangedhisNicagain on November 19, 2013 at 7:15 PM

Where are the trolls?

Electrongod on November 19, 2013 at 7:14 PM

Few and far between.

CWchangedhisNicagain on November 19, 2013 at 7:16 PM

I await the day when the kid tears off his glasses, rip off his suit, wrap his tie around his head ninja style, hop up on the lecture and start throwing feces at the WH press corps, I mean, corpse.
Then, and only then, I will be impressed.

RovesChins on November 19, 2013 at 7:19 PM

“We don’t believe in handouts. We don’t think anyone should get a free ride,” she said Monday afternoon in a speech at the Sheraton Hotel and Towers.

Now Michelle lies too. These are all a carnival of thugs and frauds.

Schadenfreude on November 19, 2013 at 7:19 PM

… He’s too arrogant to resign, so why not let him double, triple and quadruple-down to the point that he damages the Democrat Party – and liberalism itself – beyond the point of repair?

Myron Falwell on November 19, 2013 at 7:14 PM

I’m with you there, bro … let it burn, baby, burn.

TXUS on November 19, 2013 at 7:19 PM

Hard to believe now that King Barack really had all that ‘vast executive experience’.

GarandFan on November 19, 2013 at 7:12 PM

and he had successfully run such a hi-tech campaign , twice :D
yet, here we are today….the Lyin King who can’t decide if he is an idiot or a malicious goon !

burrata on November 19, 2013 at 7:20 PM

Who built the nsa Utah data center?

I don’t buy any of this.

wolly4321 on November 19, 2013 at 7:21 PM

That should be a big story — “Obama: Liar or Grossly Incompetent?” — but it’s more of a curio. Why?

Because the media will be the last to report that obama is clinically mentally and physically very sick. It’s all in front of us.

Schadenfreude on November 19, 2013 at 7:21 PM

Which means he did.

Game over.

Bishop on November 19, 2013 at 7:21 PM

Also, he is both, a Liar and an incompetent one. However, he is way more. He is a purposeful destroyer of America. He is indeed the most transparent president in all US history.

He was just uncovered too soon.

Schadenfreude on November 19, 2013 at 7:22 PM

There’s something else going on here., and it’s malicious as hell.

wolly4321 on November 19, 2013 at 7:22 PM

The gall of this administration is staggering.

buckichick1 on November 19, 2013 at 7:23 PM

It’s the end of the 30s in America, but it’s 2013.

Schadenfreude on November 19, 2013 at 7:24 PM

Goebbels is very proud of Carney.

Schadenfreude on November 19, 2013 at 7:24 PM

AP seems off on this one. Does he somehow not convict the press in this, or did I miss it? That would be the hilarious, pathetic, full-blown-DNC-Propaganda Machine press which we laugh at every Sunday.

What would anyone expect from this den of thieves and liars?

Fox has been railing against Obama’s astonishing stupidity/deceit (pick one…it really doesn’t matter which)…but the rest of the media has circled the wagons and they’re running Kim Kardashian up-skirt photos instead.

Jaibones on November 19, 2013 at 7:25 PM

Oh, by the way — you’ll be pleased to know that the subsidies calculator for the federal website should finally be working by … mid-January, just two short months away.

What? I don’t think that is what the Tribune is reporting. I don’t know whether the calculator is working right now (I suppose it is because people have been reported to be using it) but, according to my read, the Tribune is reporting that the function which will allow the government to send subsidies to the insurance companies won’t be ready until mid-January.

That makes sense in Obama World. Obama doesn’t pay anything on time and is infamous for stiffing people on what he owes them. Plus, why should he be prompt in showing how much this is really going to cost the government. I fully expect that function to be months late.

Dusty on November 19, 2013 at 7:26 PM

Conflicts are them

They consider all of you to be fools.

Schadenfreude on November 19, 2013 at 7:28 PM

That should be a big story — “Obama: Liar or Grossly Incompetent?” — but it’s more of a curio. Why?

Joe Wilson.

He made it racist to call Zero a liar.

budfox on November 19, 2013 at 7:31 PM

Ignorance is bliss, until it isn’t.

Dhuka on November 19, 2013 at 7:31 PM

At what point does Carney grow a pair of balls, and say to Obama, Valerie Jarrett, etc. “I’m done. I can’t go out there and keep lying for you people…”?

VastRightWingConspirator on November 19, 2013 at 7:32 PM

He’s sworn up and down, as recently as last week during his big White House presser, that he had no idea how profound the site’s troubles were, which is almost impossible to believe.

He said he “wasn’t directly informed.” That’s the same thing as saying he was indirectly informed. Who indirectly informed him, and of what?

Should have been the first question out of the first reporter’s mouth.

Missy on November 19, 2013 at 7:33 PM

OT:

Okay…so how bad is it for Obama these days?

Bad enough that Brian Williams and NBC Nightly news just spent their entire broadcast and never said the word “Obama”.

Not once. Stunning, especially from the captain of the Obama Fellatio team.

BobMbx on November 19, 2013 at 7:33 PM

Why isn’t this a bigger story than it is?

Because the Main Stream Media will be implicated alongside Big Bozo.

/Can’t report it – otherwise.. what would happen to Andrea Mitchell, NBC Newz, Washington?

ERHMEGHERED!!!

Key West Reader on November 19, 2013 at 7:36 PM

Deniability is no longer plausible with Obama.

He has denied too many things.

IF he is truly that ignorant of what is going on, then he needs to resign as any incompetent CEO should.

But yeah, his ego won’t go there and no one will ask him in a press conference.

ProfShadow on November 19, 2013 at 7:37 PM

His thinking, I guess, it’s that it’s always better to be seen as well-meaning and negligent than incompetent and deceitful but I’m not sure that rule holds in a matter as momentous as remaking the health-care system.

Booooosh? Is that you…? What happened to the most intellectual and cerebral President evah…?

PointnClick on November 19, 2013 at 7:38 PM

OT:

Okay…so how bad is it for Obama these days?

Bad enough that Brian Williams and NBC Nightly news just spent their entire broadcast and never said the word “Obama”.

Not once. Stunning, especially from the captain of the Obama Fellatio team.

BobMbx on November 19, 2013 at 7:33 PM

I wonder if it’s because Brian Williams remembers “bowing” to Big Bozo in his quest to learn… what “enchants” Big Bozo?

LMAO!

They all fell into Big Bozo’s circus and now they cannot get out.

Embarrassing.

Key West Reader on November 19, 2013 at 7:39 PM

He is a know nothing do nothing president. What in God’s name does this guy do all day??

envycat on November 19, 2013 at 7:43 PM

Impeach Obama you gutless republicans!

Sherman1864 on November 19, 2013 at 7:45 PM

Although a majority of folks here think Barry is a complete idiot, someone needs to point out the obvious…
I submit, he is certainly without a doubt, the biggest LIAR ever to hold the highest office in all the world…my 3 kids, all who are married and with children, have ALL come to the conservative way of life/thinking…and my biggest concern is that we all live in norCal. I want to move so much, but my kids and grandkids are still here, where they were born and raised…like me. I have been all over the U.S. and the world due to my job…I wish my kids could have traveled with me as they wouldn’t even blink about the thought of leaving this beautiful, yet ugly, state.

OldWeaselKeeper on November 19, 2013 at 7:45 PM

envycat on November 19, 2013 at 7:43 PM

In concert now….CHOOM!

All that REB was ever good at…and that’s gotta be the truth!

OldWeaselKeeper on November 19, 2013 at 7:47 PM

“Hey, how are those problems we talked about in March coming along?”

“Hey, do we have these problems fixed enough so I can push people to go out and sign up?”

“Hey, is this website really working well enough to launch October 1st?”

“Hey, this website is a disaster, should we delay the individual mandate for a year and get this straightened out?”

I sure there are more, but these are just some of the questions Obama didn’t ask since March. I can’t even imagine how many more, on various subjects, he didn’t feel were important enough to ask.

bflat879 on November 19, 2013 at 7:47 PM

Obama responding to a question about higher premiums and deductibles:

“Wheres yo dollah?”

BobMbx on November 19, 2013 at 7:49 PM

At what point does Carney grow a pair of balls, and say to Obama, Valerie Jarrett, etc. “I’m done. I can’t go out there and keep lying for you people…”?

VastRightWingConspirator on November 19, 2013 at 7:32 PM

When he discovers his soul, the likelihood of which is about the same as that of Obamacare ever succeeding. He was a career left-wing “journalist” (oh, I repeat myself) before ascending to his current position and, if history is a guide, he will die a central-planning leftist as well.

TXUS on November 19, 2013 at 7:51 PM

Won’t click. Won’t watch. Seen one Carney, seen ‘em all.

Marcola on November 19, 2013 at 6:49 PM

…there’s three Carney’s!

KOOLAID2 on November 19, 2013 at 7:56 PM

Where are the trolls?

Electrongod on November 19, 2013 at 7:14 PM

Still hitting the submit button to pay their first Obamacare premium.

txhsmom on November 19, 2013 at 7:57 PM

Where did all that money go?

Mimzey on November 19, 2013 at 8:00 PM

I wonder how Baghdad Jay manages to sleep at night. Watch out in 2015, when he won’t be able to afford his meds.

Steve Z on November 19, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Was this whole Obamacare nightmare a bomb designed to explode in President Romney’s face?

meci on November 19, 2013 at 8:11 PM

Where are the trolls?

Electrongod on November 19, 2013 at 7:14 PM

…caddying…for JugEars

KOOLAID2 on November 19, 2013 at 8:12 PM

Twenty press people at these briefings and not once ever, do they just stand up and say, “how effin stupid do you think we are?” Oh never mind they play on the same team.

arnold ziffel on November 19, 2013 at 8:14 PM

Could we please get Oprah’s opinion on this issue?

mobydutch on November 19, 2013 at 8:18 PM

Not only an impeachable offense, but a bunch of these lying sacks of sh*t need to go to jail.

And the Kneepad Media has this anchor right around its neck – and NOW they want to vet this administration?

LMMFAO

Buh bye azzholes – off to irrelevancy with you.

ICanSeeNovFromMyHouse on November 19, 2013 at 8:25 PM

Was this whole Obamacare nightmare a bomb designed to explode in President Romney’s face?

meci on November 19, 2013 at 8:11 PM

I wondered that too – I think O’Butthead was genuinely shocked he won.

Says a lot about the voting public.

ICanSeeNovFromMyHouse on November 19, 2013 at 8:27 PM

Imagine being a paid liar for another paid liar. How can someone do that job day after day, month after month?

slickwillie2001 on November 19, 2013 at 8:42 PM

Part of the problem perhaps? — Cheating Students More Likely to Want Government Jobs, Study Finds

slickwillie2001 on November 19, 2013 at 8:59 PM

Has anyone else wondered if we’ve all just been used? Everyone says it is stupid and inept for Obama and his people to have so many problems with his insurance website. What if all is going exactly as planned on schedule? He planned for people to lose coverage. .we know that. But maybe he also planned on them not being able to sign up for insurance, and if by a miracle they sign up it will be double or triple the cost. So millions without insurance and can’t get it… they will be screaming for help. In rides Obama to save them the evil insurance companies and offers gov’t insurance, and free too, like other countries. He’s just saved the day and has gov’t insurance too….

PackerFan4Life on November 19, 2013 at 9:04 PM

Because the media will be the last to report that obama is clinically mentally and physically very sick. It’s all in front of us.

Schadenfreude on November 19, 2013 at 7:21 PM

Houston, we have a problem. Uncle Joe is next in line and he is also clinically mentally and physically ill.

But I suppose that applies to all liberals…

Our country is in the best of hands.

climbnjump on November 19, 2013 at 9:28 PM

Because the media will be the last to report that obama is clinically mentally and physically very sick. It’s all in front of us.

Schadenfreude on November 19, 2013 at 7:21 PM

Houston, we have a problem. Uncle Joe is next in line and he is also clinically mentally and physically ill.

But I suppose that applies to all liberals…

Our country is in the best of hands.

climbnjump on November 19, 2013 at 9:28 PM

I’ve always wondered about those horrific scars on the back of the REB’s head. Maybe he’s missing a part of his brain.

slickwillie2001 on November 19, 2013 at 9:38 PM

Jay,

Tell me lies …

… tell me sweet little lies …

dissent555 on November 19, 2013 at 11:04 PM

Yes, Yes, and Yes there would be still be great shock value in proving the president intentionally lied about when he knew what and how he lied for years about what the PPACA would do to existing plans and holding unto one’s current doctor. And to repeat these facts again and again and again until every willfully ignorant moocher can no longer deny what has been done to the majority of Americans for the benfit of the few by this administration. Then we can move on to all the other lies for which our so-called “great government” is thoroughly guilty.

Just as importantly, we need the conservative media to go after “We Have To Pass The Bill To FInd Out What’s In IT,” Moonbat Pelosi and dingy Harry Reid as the below 6 minute video only begins to do.
Pelosi taken apart by David Gregory on false Obamacare promises

And then we can ask why most republican Congressman are still not explaining the PPACA to their own constituents because they still, apparently, haven’t read the PPACA legislation.

Finally, one can read Walter Karp’s “Indispensable Enemies: The Politics of Misrule in America” and Robert Schweizer’s “Extortion: How Politicians Extract Your Money, Buy Votes, and Line Their Own Pockets” and you’ll begin to understand what this whole out-of-control Federal government charade is all about.

Falcon46 on November 20, 2013 at 1:23 AM