Wow: Majority now says universal health care is not the federal government’s responsibility

posted at 7:41 pm on November 18, 2013 by Allahpundit

Rarely outside of polls about gay marriage or marijuana legalization do you see a trend line like this. Good work, O.

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How much of that is a reaction to Obama and his pet boondoggle specifically and how much is a product of other forces? The first thing that jumps out is the fact that most of the gains here were made before O was sworn in. The number who say UHC isn’t a federal responsibility bounces from a 13-year low in 2006 to rough parity with traditional levels in 2007 to a new high in 2008 and then actually overtakes the number who say it is a federal responsibility in very late 2008, on the eve of the inauguration. But that doesn’t mean it has nothing to do with O. On the contrary, I think the reason interest picked up in 2007 was because Obama and Hillary were slugging it out over health-care reform in debate after debate, which showed Republicans that the long-dormant liberal initiative to remake the system was coming back with a vengeance in 2009 if the Democratic nominee won the election. What you’re seeing here, in other words, is conservative alarm rising over the prospect of a looming battle — with good reason, as it turned out.

Follow the link above and check the partisan trend lines and you’ll see what I mean. Republican opposition to a big role for the feds in guaranteeing universal health care bounces from 57 percent in 2006 to 78 percent in 2009; opposition among independents rises even more sharply, from 25 percent in 2006 to 54 percent in 2009. My hunch is that that’s because some libertarians and proto-tea-party conservatives started identifying as indies in the run-up to the Obama/McCain “meh” election, which infused the independent demographic with a strong right-wing strain. The question is, how durable is all of this? Is it a sea change in the electorate’s opinion that’ll endure even if a Republican’s elected in 2016 or is it one of those things (like worries about NSA surveillance, I suspect) where each party flips depending upon who controls the White House? It’d be easier to guess if Gallup had data on this question from the Clinton era so that we could see how the numbers change as we bounce from a Democratic administration to a Republican one and back again. As it is, we’re stuck.

If I had to guess, though, I’d guess that there’ll be higher opposition to a federal role in universal health care under the next Republican administration than there was under Bush. For two reasons: Not only will the tea party persist as a small-government check on the GOP establishment but, per Gallup, Democratic opposition to a federal role has increased over the last few years as well. In fact, since ObamaCare was passed in 2010, the rise in opposition has been higher among Democrats than it has among either Republicans or indies. GOPers were at 87 percent then and are at 86 percent now, i.e. -1. Independents were at 49 percent then and stand at 55 percent now, or +6. Democrats, by contrast, are at +8, having moved from 22 percent three years ago to 30 percent now. In 2006, in fact, they were at just 10 percent; their opposition to treating universal health care as a federal responsibility has tripled in the age of Obama. Skepticism about O’s boondoggle is, apparently, driving even the centrists in his own party to become big-government skeptics where health care is concerned. That’s hair-raising stuff for the White House, which is why the lefty commentariat is increasingly at pains to say that it’s the messy public-private nature of ObamaCare, not its government component, that’s produced the rubble all around us.

As a little mood music, via the Corner, here’s Hollywood mogul Harvey Weinstein claiming (a) that Obama’s Big Lie was merely “a mistake,” not a conscious, years-long effort to deceive in the name of creating political cover for Democrats to pass ObamaCare; (b) that Obama wouldn’t have hammered Bush over one of his mistakes, even though The One started attacking Dubya for the Iraq war in speeches before U.S. troops had set foot in Iraq; and (c) that it is, of course, the country that’s embarrassing, not the Lightbringer. I’m calling this clip “Piers Morgan, Unlikely Voice of Reason.”


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The devil is in the details. Now people are finding out the details.

txmomof6 on November 18, 2013 at 7:42 PM

Party

Schadenfreude on November 18, 2013 at 7:43 PM

Listen for just a tad, before the scumhag says “if you like your plan, you can keep it”.

Schadenfreude on November 18, 2013 at 7:44 PM

Too late. Now more than ever, it doesn’t matter what the American people think. RIP America. 1776-1913

gryphon202 on November 18, 2013 at 7:45 PM

There are Progtards on Politico right now arguing that this is not bad for the cause of Progressivism.

Seriously.

Resist We Much on November 18, 2013 at 7:45 PM

Well, IT’S A LITTLE LATE!

boomer on November 18, 2013 at 7:47 PM

Obozo is a millstone. These numbers are going to get worse as more problems arise.

Flange on November 18, 2013 at 7:47 PM

Watched the pathetic clip. Who is he kidding, Bush wouldn’t be attacked outside of an election for a mistake??? What did the left do incessantly about the yellowcake and SOTU address?? Please. And this MORONIC statement, we are the only country in the world without healthcare?? We had the best healthcare system in the world until the left got a hold of it, starting in the 60s with Medicare and ending with the ObamaCare debacle.

txmomof6 on November 18, 2013 at 7:47 PM

Report: International Negotiations With Iran Are a ‘Facade’ — Secret Deal Allegedly Already Struck Directly With Valerie Jarrett

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/11/18/report-international-negotiations-with-iran-are-a-facade-secret-deal-allegedly-already-struck-directly-with-valerie-jarrett/

davidk on November 18, 2013 at 7:48 PM

I’m calling this clip “Piers Morgan, Unlikely Voice of Reason.”

Unlikely source of reality; good call, indeed.

Aside from Oprah, Weinstein is the next racism hack…oh wait.

Schadenfreude on November 18, 2013 at 7:49 PM

This is when they found out how much “free” or “subsidized” health care actually costs and how lousy the coverage is. Enlightenment.

Philly on November 18, 2013 at 7:49 PM

Yet again, the American people have failed Obama. :(

Jeff Weimer on November 18, 2013 at 7:50 PM

They voted for him.
They need to choke on it to learn.

AllahsNippleHair on November 18, 2013 at 7:50 PM

Now you tell us, American people.

rbj on November 18, 2013 at 7:53 PM

Of course, in 2009 and 2010 a majority was strongly opposed to passing Obamacare. In fact massive protests by millions against Obamacare were held for months across this nation. Then, Scott Brown won his senate seat in very blue Massachusetts to be the key vote to make passing Obamacare impossible. Well, despite this, the Dems found a way pass it anyway. They managed to get the hobbling legislative monster across the finish line. And it was hobbling alright. It hobbles today, a hobbling monster, a Frankenstein. And the people are coming to see this with their own eyes. Look at the polls. The Democrats are doomed.

anotherJoe on November 18, 2013 at 7:54 PM

Harvey and Nanzi drink the grape Koolaid….takes them to a better place.

d1carter on November 18, 2013 at 7:55 PM

Oh, Harvey…

MT on November 18, 2013 at 7:55 PM

OT – Not so fast

Schadenfreude on November 18, 2013 at 7:57 PM

Wow, Money Honey jumps from CNBC to FBN.

http://www.philly.com/philly/business/20131118_ap_567d672aa3b746b5b1c6b7df150ec18e.html

Philly on November 18, 2013 at 7:57 PM

Nor should they be responsible for your retirement or health care in retirement America. Read your Constitution.

CWchangedhisNicagain on November 18, 2013 at 8:00 PM

Remember Nancy Pelosi’s threat. “We have to pass it to find out what’s in it.”
Do these people believe in the tooth fairy, too?

vityas on November 18, 2013 at 8:06 PM

IIRC, we were told by the marxist propaganda machine based in Hollywood that there were almost 50 million people who had absolutely NO access to health CARE and everyday, people were dying on our streets because of that .
Now that ObamCAIR is being kinda sorta delayed, what will happen to those people who are dying everyday on our streets Mr Marchesa ?
Will hollywierds pick up that tab and carry these dying people to doctors for treatment until everyone has access to ObamaCAIR ?
What about illegals ? Does Mr Marchesa have a plan for them using his own money since they are not covered by ObamCAIR, as Obama himself said so ?
2 totally irrelevant British twits trying to look important !!

burrata on November 18, 2013 at 8:12 PM

Um, yes Piers, Obama blatantly lies. This is just the first time he’d been called on his lies.

And, Harvey’s embarrassing. L’etat ce n’est pas Obama.

Fallon on November 18, 2013 at 8:16 PM

Thx Progs and Libs for screwing up a good thing, the USA…

Khun Joe on November 18, 2013 at 8:17 PM

Resist We Much on November 18, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Look at the RCP average of polls for Obama’s approval. Virtually everyday it seems for the past 3 weeks Obama has been dropping like a half a point. Each day. No days of pause or interruption. A free fall. And now, he’s at -13.7, in the average of polls, incredible. Look at the graphic chart in the rcp link above, is the free fall going to ever stop? It’s got to at some point. Or maybe not.

anotherJoe on November 18, 2013 at 8:19 PM

It’s the ol’ NIMBY trick. People want stuff, just don’t make them see it or have to deal with it.

SouthernGent on November 18, 2013 at 8:22 PM

Too late. Now more than ever, it doesn’t matter what the American people think. RIP America. 1776-1913

gryphon202 on November 18, 2013 at 7:45 PM

Because 1913 was when the 16th Amendment was ratified?

J-Paul00 on November 18, 2013 at 8:24 PM

Oh my. What a flattering photo of Ms. Nancy Pelosi.

DrStock on November 18, 2013 at 8:28 PM

Get those currency presses running on warp 7.

Bishop on November 18, 2013 at 8:31 PM

National Journal:

Approve 38
Disapprove 55

Disapprove +17

Resist We Much on November 18, 2013 at 8:05 PM

hey Obama goofed up the works to smithereens. Now look at the numbers from the Alfalfa Sprouts Journal.

Alfalfa Sprouts Journal:

Approve 38.1
Disapprove 54.9

Disapprove +17

SparkPlug on November 18, 2013 at 8:32 PM

SparkPlug on November 18, 2013 at 8:32 PM

lolz

bazil9 on November 18, 2013 at 8:33 PM

bazil9 on November 18, 2013 at 8:33 PM

xoxox. Cripes, the shriveled Slim Jim greases up a crooked crutch.

Latest headline from the Alfalfa Sprouts Journal:

Shriveled Slim Jim greases up a crooked crutch. Some say “to smithereens.” (on page B9)

SparkPlug on November 18, 2013 at 8:38 PM

SparkPlug on November 18, 2013 at 8:38 PM

lol..your crazy. ;)

Step into on a Slim Jim….*snap*

bazil9 on November 18, 2013 at 8:46 PM

Gummy! Lolz!

Bmore on November 18, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Medicaid is something, like welfare, that works best when it is a small program, for the most needy people. Mega medicaid ain’t goin nowhere if they can’t find doctors who will take it.

There is no reason for a generation of healthy people to sign up for Medicaid, even if they can’t afford health insurance, it is a waste of time. And if you don’t sign up for Medicaid and show up later you can sign up. And if you have a CAR accident, you had to buy that insurance to drive around and that one pays if you don’t have medical insurance. (But not if you do.) So, the most likely thing to happen to a healthy person, they get in a car accident, that is on your auto insurance. They don’t put you onto Medicaid if your auto insurance covers it.

Expanding Medicaid was dumb, we could have bought them bronze plans and made them act like the rest of adults do, start learning to pay attention to their policy, submit claims, pay the co pays, Keep track, and pay up to the deductible. I mean, if bronze plans are so good, why don’t Medicaid eligible people have them? Why don’t food stamp users have to keep their reciepts like self employed people do for business food expenses…there are two sets of rules.

Fleuries on November 18, 2013 at 8:50 PM

Gummy! Lolz!

Bmore on November 18, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Yours B?

bazil9 on November 18, 2013 at 8:52 PM

I think what all the analysts and pundits, conservative and leftist alike, are missing is that all government programs are hugely expensive, inefficient and poorly run. But do not normally affect people directly. They are buried in the bureaucracy, covered by incomprehensible dollar amounts and carefully hidden by those who benefit.

What the American people are now seeing is how grossly mismanaged and poorly budgeted government programs are. A $30,000/yr. health policy for your family makes perfect sense to an entity that routinely spends $600 on a hammer. In the real world scenario driven by free-market economics and competition, that hammer would cost $10 and that policy would cost $6000.

Obamacare or any government run program will never drive costs down like the free market. The reason why healthcare costs are so high is because of government intrusion. There are some who will cry “crony capitalism” but crony capitalism cannot exist without government handing out favors and goodies to the favored and monied few.

The only solution is like Mitt Romney proposed. Return as much power and authority to the states as possible. The Federal government’s role should be returned to its constitutionally enumerated responsibilities to defend the constitution, the country and reducing barriers to trade.

mr. b on November 18, 2013 at 8:53 PM

Because 1913 was when the 16th Amendment was ratified?

J-Paul00 on November 18, 2013 at 8:24 PM

Federal Reserve

Resist We Much on November 18, 2013 at 9:00 PM

bazil9 on November 18, 2013 at 8:52 PM

No. Gummys. He’s a funny guy. ; )

Bmore on November 18, 2013 at 9:01 PM

No. Gummys. He’s a funny guy. ; )

Bmore on November 18, 2013 at 9:01 PM

Wondered why you said, ‘Gummy!’ lol

Was funny.

bazil9 on November 18, 2013 at 9:04 PM

Before: Obama Touts Woman’s Obamacare Success Story During Rose Garden Speech

Now: Woman Finds Out There Was A Website Glitch, Doesn’t Qualify For Subsidies…

Jessica Sanford, the Federal Way woman who got a shout-out from President Obama last month with her fan letter for the Affordable Care Act, got a rather rude awakening last week. Turns out she doesn’t qualify for a tax credit after all.

At least that’s what the letter said that she got from the state. Now she says her dream of affordable health insurance has gone poof. She can’t afford it. She’ll have to go without. “I’m really terribly embarrassed,” she says. “It has completely turned around on me. I mean, completely.”

Chalk it up to a bollixed-up state website that apparently still has major problems. Originally it said Sanford and her child would get a whopping tax credit that would reduce their total premium to $169 a month. Now the state is telling her it goofed – twice – and she has to pay full ticket. There may even be a third goof involved: At least one health-insurance broker says she may qualify for a tax credit after all, albeit a small one. Officials at the state Healthplanfinder website could not be contacted Sunday night. But it just goes to show that even in the state of Washington, which has earned national kudos for a health-insurance exchange that seems to function better than the dysfunctional federal website, there are big, big problems.

“They have to own up to what is going on,” Sanford says. “They have to fix it. They can’t just go around and say this is working great. In my opinion they ought to shut it down and just get all of it straightened out.”

Sanford’s tale may not be all that unusual amid the national furor over Obamacare’s sputtering start. But it is particularly embarrassing because the president himself mentioned it in a speech, calling it a success story that makes the case for the program. These days fan letters are few and far between.

Obama related Sanford’s story in remarks from the Rose Garden last Oct. 21: “I recently received a letter from a woman named Jessica Sanford in Washington state, and here’s what she wrote. ‘I am a single mom, no child support, self-employed, and I haven’t had health insurance for 15 years because it is too expensive. My son has ADHD and requires regular doctor visits, and his meds alone cost $250 a month. I have had an ongoing tendinitis problem due to my line of work that I have to have treated. Now, finally, we get to have coverage because of the ACA for $169 a month. I was crying the other day when I signed up. So much stress lifted.’

The president went on: “Now, that is not untypical for a lot of folks like Jessica who have been struggling without health insurance. That is what the Affordable Care Act is all about.”

Yes, Sanford says, it was all true at the time she wrote the letter. She was ecstatic when she discovered she could sign up for a health plan that covered all her needs at a reasonable price. As a freelance court reporter, Sanford, 48, doesn’t make a lot – a little less than $50,000 a year. That doesn’t go very far when there is a child in the household and his father doesn’t pay child support. Her 14-year-old son Ryan requires a special prescription medication that must be compounded. Before the Affordable Care Act came along, she was getting rate quotes of $500 and $600 a month. She just couldn’t afford health insurance, and her health care costs left her strapped.

That’s why she was one of the eager customers who was ready to sign up the moment the state website opened for business on Oct. 1. Washington is one of 14 states that went its own way, building its own site rather than relying on what turned out to be an error-plagued federal system. Although a computer glitch shut down the Washington Healthplanfinder website the first day, by Oct. 3, with the help of a broker, Sanford managed to enroll in a “gold”-level health plan offered by Premera Blue Cross.

The savings were tremendous. Thanks to the tax credit, Sanford qualified for a discount of $452 a month. “I was looking at it, and you know, it was like it was amazing. How was I supposed to know?”

Sanford was so happy that she wrote a thank-you note to President Obama and dropped it in the mail. One of the president’s speechwriters contacted her and asked if he could use her story. When the president used her name she says it was one of the proudest moments of her life. “To think I would finally be covered if anything happened – I was so relieved.”

Then came the bad news.

Four days after President Obama made his address, the state health exchange publicly revealed a grevious error – its tax-credit calculations were all wrong. The state had been submitting monthly income information to the federal data hub, but the federal computers were expecting an annual figure. Suppose a person claimed an income of $50,000 a year — the tax credit was based on an income of $4,166 a year. The higher the income, the bigger the error. Brokers say they caught the mistake right off the bat and tried flagging it to the state’s attention, but for some reason it took the state three weeks to acknowledge it. So everyone who purchased a subsidized health insurance policy through the Washington state exchange prior to Oct. 23 was quoted too low a rate. The mistake involved 4,600 policies covering 8,000 people – Sanford’s policy was one of them.

Keep reading…

Resist We Much on November 18, 2013 at 9:07 PM

NO Itsha Sherlock

I want the Feds to stay within their Constitutional restraints and responsibilities.

Get the F out of our business.

ORrighty on November 18, 2013 at 9:16 PM

Because 1913 was when the 16th Amendment was ratified?

J-Paul00 on November 18, 2013 at 8:24 PM
Federal Reserve

Resist We Much on November 18, 2013 at 9:00 PM

Wilson was inaugurated.

RickB on November 18, 2013 at 9:17 PM

Too late. Now more than ever, it doesn’t matter what the American people think. RIP America. 1776-1913

gryphon202 on November 18, 2013 at 7:45 PM

Stop the pessimism… We have been in much worse episodes in our history than Obamacare and the utterly incompetent Obama… We have gone through a Civil War, WW I, Great Depression, FDR socialism, WW II, LBJ socialism, and Vietnam… We have not only survived these episodes but we overcame all this and we became the mightiest nation in history of mankind… In fact Obama utter incompetence has destroyed Obamacare… We are fortunate that this lazy fool does not have the brains and will of FDR, LBJ, or Woodrow Wilson to cause the damage that they have done in their socialist programs…

mnjg on November 18, 2013 at 9:40 PM

History has proven that GubRmints excel beyond compare at kill’n….. it what they do best.

musta been why the founding fathers ….. didn’t want America to have a standing army

roflmmfao

donabernathy on November 18, 2013 at 9:48 PM

I’m more disturbed by the fact that it took Ocare running off the tracks to significantly affect polling on this and other related issues.

If we lived in an informed society, it never would have passed because a majority already would have stopped it from becoming law in the first place.

It makes me think that “you have to pass it to find out what’s in it” will be our new reality going forward, because people will never consider whether legislation will fail. They will only consider the mistake after it has been made.

guinneach on November 19, 2013 at 12:16 AM

Now this is a good headline!

The Nerve on November 19, 2013 at 9:04 AM