Rasmussen: 58% now view ObamaCare unfavorably, a new high

posted at 1:11 pm on November 18, 2013 by Allahpundit

That’s the highest number from any poll tracked by RCP on this subject, but if it’s an outlier, it’s a small one. Both Quinnipiac and Gallup have found 55 percent disapproval in the last few weeks, which placed the law 15-16 points underwater. Rasmussen has it fully 20 points net negative. Either it’s a slight outlier or, ominously for the White House, it’s just a bit ahead of the curve in detecting a further downturn after last week’s chaos.

At 38/58, support has dropped seven points and opposition has risen five points in a month. How low can we go?

Eleven percent (11%) of voters say they have been helped by the health care law, but nearly three times as many (30%) say they have been hurt by it. Fifty-four percent (54%) have felt no impact. The number who say they have been helped is down from 15% in October and is the lowest finding this year…

Sixty-six percent (66%) of Democrats continue to view the health care law favorably, although that’s down from 73% a month ago. Ninety percent (90%) of Republicans and 60% of voters not affiliated with either major party have an unfavorable opinion of the law.

Seventeen percent (17%) of voters in the president’s party say they have been helped by the law, compared to three percent (3%) of Republicans and 10% of unaffiliated voters. Forty-three percent (43%) of GOP voters and 32% of unaffiliateds say they have been hurt by the law, but just 18% of Democrats say the same. Democrats are also less likely to say they have had to change their health insurance.

My favorite stat: “Ninety-five percent (95%) of the Political Class have a favorable opinion of the health care law.” The boldfaced split is interesting too, although it’s too early to draw firm conclusions from it. On the one hand, it seems significant that Democrats are evenly divided on whether the law helps or hurts them when the party is otherwise in circle-the-wagons-mode to protect the White House. I would have expected that number to be net positive, just as Democratic views of the law are. On the other hand, if young adults (who skew left) end up enrolling en masse and like their coverage, that’ll move the needle on Democratic support. And what if they don’t like it, and/or feel that they’re being gouged on their premiums? Hoo boy.

Josh Kraushaar of National Journal says the end may come sooner than you think. Is a veto-proof majority in both houses of Congress possible before 2016?

Democrats are in better shape on the Senate side, but not by as much as conventional wisdom suggests. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid will do everything in his influence to protect the president — and block embarrassing legislation from being voted on — but not if it means he’ll be losing his majority gavel next year. There are 21 Democratic held-seats up in 2014, with 17 Democratic senators running for re-election. Of those 17, 10 are running in states where Obama won less than 55 percent of the vote, approximately the baseline of where House Democrats began splitting with the president on the Upton vote. Excluding Reid, an additional 15 Democrats aren’t up in 2014, but represent battleground (< 55% Obama) states where support of the law could become a long-term burden. And then there's California Sen. Dianne Feinstein, who has emerged as a surprising blue-state critic of the law, retiring Montana Sen. Max Baucus, who famously predicted the implementation was shaping up to be a "train wreck," and retiring moderate South Dakota Sen. Tim Johnson.

To overcome a veto, Republicans would need 22 of those 28 winnable votes. Right now, they wouldn't come close. But Reid and the White House may end up relying on swing-state Democrats like Claire McCaskill and Bob Casey to protect the law. If the political mood doesn't improve in short order, will they want to be in that position? And if Republicans retake the Senate in 2015, the political momentum for repeal would only grow.

My gut says he’s kidding himself, but so many landmines lie ahead for O-Care that there’s no way to dismiss the possibility out of hand. We may be weeks away from O announcing a delay in the mandate or an extension of the enrollment period; rate shock, part two, will strike in January, as will access shock; young healthies who refused to enroll will start grumbling about the mandate penalty in April; then tremors from within the industry about adverse selection and higher premiums for 2015 will begin shaking newsrooms; and the shadow of small businesses canceling employer-provided coverage will loom over all of it. The GOP got to 261 votes for Fred Upton’s “Keep Your Plan Act” last week, but if Democrats get wiped out next November, it’s not difficult to foresee 290 — a veto-proof two-thirds majority in the House — for some sort of O-Care rollback measure in early 2015. The Senate will be much harder: Not only would you need a GOP landslide next fall, you’d need even Obama loyalists like Reid and McCaskill, who voted to enact O-Care in the first place, to come around on repeal/rollback over the president’s fierce opposition. If things ever did reach a point of such tremendous crisis that 67 votes, at least 10 of which realistically would be Democratic, are in play for repeal, the White House itself would offer some sort of “fix”/rollback that Dems could support for political cover. You’d need a Tunguska-fireball level of disaster for O to ever acquiesce in undoing the law to protect Dems. Highly unlikely — but, given what we’ve seen in the past month, not impossible.

Exit question via David Frum: Republicans wouldn’t actually repeal the Medicaid expansion, would they?


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Flies are gathering.

The self-appointed god dropped to earth like a bid turkey.

Schadenfreude on November 18, 2013 at 1:12 PM

The Rs will be stupid enough to blow it.

Here, fools, for starters.

Schadenfreude on November 18, 2013 at 1:13 PM

bid = big turkey

Schadenfreude on November 18, 2013 at 1:13 PM

Actual headline should be: “32% of people polled not sure what year it is.”

WitchDoctor on November 18, 2013 at 1:14 PM

or, alternatively, WitchDoctor unable to count to 100% :)

WitchDoctor on November 18, 2013 at 1:14 PM

If you skip the first part/the storm topic, Zuckerman tells it like it is. Clift is like Pelosi.

Zuckerman says at one point “those who voted for obama are very sorry now”. He is a D, but a very realistic one.

Schadenfreude on November 18, 2013 at 1:15 PM

Only 58%?

sandee on November 18, 2013 at 1:16 PM

My gut says he’s kidding himself, but so many landmines lie ahead for O-Care that there’s no way to dismiss the possibility out of hand.

I think it can be dismissed, given the statistic you cited below.

My favorite stat: “Ninety-five percent (95%) of the Political Class have a favorable opinion of the health care law.”

That’s all we need to know. No way does that stat not include the majority of elected Republicans.

Doomberg on November 18, 2013 at 1:17 PM

Republicans wouldn’t actually repeal the Medicaid expansion, would they?

I say we speak to the NSA and gather data on every registered Dem. voter and send the bill to them–you know, all for helping others so I am sure they will embrace the unicorn..

hillsoftx on November 18, 2013 at 1:18 PM

Limbaugh theorem in action.

nobar on November 18, 2013 at 1:18 PM

young healthies who refused to enroll will start grumbling about the mandate penalty in April…

…of 2015.

I pointed this out to you before that the penalty is not assessed for the first time until people file their 2014 taxes in 2015. If we are mandated to have insurance in 2014 how exactly does that show up up on our tax returns next year when we file for the year 2013?

NotCoach on November 18, 2013 at 1:19 PM

Racist poll according to Oprah…

PatriotRider on November 18, 2013 at 1:19 PM

42% still dumb.

portlandon on November 18, 2013 at 1:19 PM

Biggest storm ahead for obama, and he knows it, the economy, stupid.

People are hording dough during the x-mas shopping season, due to obama’care’ uncertainties…and above all, due to obama’care’ cause jobs to be lost.

Schadenfreude on November 18, 2013 at 1:19 PM

Exit question via David Frum: Republicans wouldn’t actually repeal the Medicaid expansion, would they?

Why not? ObamaCare is hated, and Obama is less and less trusted every day. If Dems start screaming “Warz onz Wymynz andz Chilzdrunz” people are likely to listen. Repeal the whole law and a tiny fraction of a tiny fraction is impacted negatively.

NotCoach on November 18, 2013 at 1:21 PM

Republicans wouldn’t actually repeal the Medicaid expansion, would they?

So Americans should pay jiziah because …….of Medicaid ?

burrata on November 18, 2013 at 1:21 PM

So are GOP’ers in the Political Class…?

d1carter on November 18, 2013 at 1:22 PM

Direct result of PC.

PC will kill all.

Good thing this blew up so early, all being relative.

Schadenfreude on November 18, 2013 at 1:25 PM

Take that disapproval higher. By talking about the hugely negative Obamacare things that aren’t already being talked about all the the time. Talk not as much about the website and cancellations, but about future rationing with the IPAB and waiting lines, the huge level of future Obamacare spending, and Medicaid like treatment that awaits many or most of us that used to have quality care.

And talk about this: the deleterious effect of pumping all that federal money into medical care when medical was already in an inflationary condition. Obamacare will explode the costs of medical care. Not good. It is exactly the opposite of what was needed. We need free market reforms to sharply cut costs, like in the free market oriented system in Singapore where costs are dramatically lower.

anotherJoe on November 18, 2013 at 1:27 PM

Poll slippage? Could it be because he is The Lying Sack of America and people are noticing?

Mason on November 18, 2013 at 1:28 PM

We may be weeks away from O announcing a delay in the mandate or an extension of the enrollment period; rate shock, part two, will strike in January, as will access shock; young healthies who refused to enroll will start grumbling about the mandate penalty in April; then tremors from within the industry about adverse selection and higher premiums for 2015 will begin shaking newsrooms; and the shadow of small businesses canceling employer-provided coverage will loom over all of it.

Don’t rule out the possibility of expanded subsidies being tossed out to lessen as much of the rate shock as possible.

When the HHS wrote the regulations in June 2010 to force as many people into the exchanges as possible, their own estimate was that 93 million, between the individual and employer mandates, would lose their coverages. That’s well over half of those ‘working’ in the country with the vast majority being negatively impacted. One of the aspects of this will be the shift of the story from millions of people previously without insurance getting health insurance to be the vast majority of those millions still not having health insurance, but the millions more who can’t afford health insurance and are going without.

Ever since the legislation was rammed through Congress via reconciliation and bribes / backroom deals, the Democrat caucus has remained in lockstep with the lies, the spin, and accepting the damage as necessary collateral damage in order to achieve the desired control of 1/6th of the economy.

The problem this caucus faces is that reality, and all of it’s massive pain, is starting to hit home with the majority of voters. When Obamacare was hope and change vaporware, they could continue their lies and obfuscation. They no longer have that luxury.

Athos on November 18, 2013 at 1:28 PM

I love my sister. But I will laugh in her face when her insurance is cancelled and she finds the cost has tripled to buy a lesser plan.

I told her she was condemning her children to slavery and she voted for the dog eating Marxist anyway.

Oprah never explained what Marxism is. Now all her fans are learning the hard way.

DeweyWins on November 18, 2013 at 1:28 PM

Eleven percent (11%) of voters say they have been helped by the health care law

How is it possible that anyone has been helped when only so few have even been able to sign up? This only shows that people will blindly agree with anything simply to support Obama.

behiker on November 18, 2013 at 1:29 PM

Don’t worry – ObamaCare unfavorables will be above 70% by election time……
Look for GDP to actually start losing ground in 2014.

redguy on November 18, 2013 at 1:29 PM

Eleven percent (11%) of voters say they have been helped by the health care law

How is it possible that anyone has been helped when only so few have even been able to sign up? This only shows that people will blindly agree with anything simply to support Obama.

behiker on November 18, 2013 at 1:29 PM

More lies.

redguy on November 18, 2013 at 1:29 PM

Leftists own this, exclusively. However, always count on the Rs to be stupid.

Schadenfreude on November 18, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Biggest storm ahead for obama, and he knows it, the economy, stupid.

People are hording dough during the x-mas shopping season, due to obama’care’ uncertainties…and above all, due to obama’care’ cause jobs to be lost.

Schadenfreude on November 18, 2013 at 1:19 PM

Retailers see the storm brewing – many are going to be liquidating because they know 2104 will be a disaster for retail.

Might be robust sales figures for 2013 but 2014 Christmas might be a bust on the order of 50% less than 2013…

redguy on November 18, 2013 at 1:32 PM

On the other hand, if young adults (who skew left) end up enrolling en masse and like their coverage, that’ll move the needle on Democratic support. And what if they don’t like it, and/or feel that they’re being gouged on their premiums? Hoo boy.

Among the young uninsured, if they do not qualify for Medicaid, then the vast majority of them will pay the 1% of their salary as a penalty which will be much cheaper than any crappy Obamacare insurance plan they pay and even if they get a lot of subsidies…

mnjg on November 18, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Next year when obama will ask the congress for trillions more to fund his hyena-program, he’ll call them “racists” if they don’t.

Ignore all the “racist” charges.

Incompetence and charlatanic thuggery knows NO colors.

Schadenfreude on November 18, 2013 at 1:33 PM

It’s immaterial to me if a majority were to actually support the law. A majority of wolves would no doubt vote to eat sheep for dinner. The point remains, there are those of us who don’t want to participate. It’s like instituting the draft; you will participate against your will even if it means you end up dead. At least the draft is in the cause of national defense.

I think that not one single person should be bake to be compelled by government to participate in Obamacare, Social Security, or Medicare if they choose not to. Even if every other person in America did choose to do so.

Liberal programs are about coercion and the destruction of choice and for those reasons alone should be eliminated. They are immoral.

Charlemagne on November 18, 2013 at 1:34 PM

We may be weeks away from O announcing a delay in the mandate or an extension of the enrollment period; rate shock, part two, will strike in January, as will access shock; young healthies who refused to enroll will start grumbling about the mandate penalty in April; then tremors from within the industry about adverse selection and higher premiums for 2015 will begin shaking newsrooms; and the shadow of small businesses canceling employer-provided coverage will loom over all of it.

Oh no…he’ll take the easy way out. He’ll come into the WH press room, make his non-apology apologies, and then state that all one needs to do to receive healthcare is to show up at a doctors office. Any doctor asking for payment or refusing to see you will be arrested.

At least, until he says otherwise.

BobMbx on November 18, 2013 at 1:35 PM

What’s wrong with the USA, in a nutshell.

Schadenfreude on November 18, 2013 at 1:37 PM

Love AP’s snark but wonder what the hell a Tunguska fireball is?

ted c on November 18, 2013 at 1:37 PM

Either it’s a slight outlier or, ominously for the White House, it’s just a bit ahead of the curve in detecting a further downturn after last week’s chaos.

More importantly to the rat-eared bastard…. When does the good news start? Even under the best of circumstances President 404′s fail rate on the website is going to be 20%. Turns out that buying Obamacare isn’t quite the same as Amazon huh? And the reality is that the system will not be fixed by the end of the month as promised. Again when does the good news for Obamacare get reported?

Happy Nomad on November 18, 2013 at 1:37 PM

Exit question via David Frum: Republicans wouldn’t actually repeal the Medicaid expansion, would they?

When states are crying for more tax revenue due to the expanded Medicaid and start cutting other services to balance their budgets, stopping further enrollment should be easy.

sentinelrules on November 18, 2013 at 1:40 PM

Poll: Young Voters Abandoning Obama In Droves, Approval Rating Down To Only 36%…

Resist We Much on November 18, 2013 at 1:30 PM

Because he’s finally going out after THEIR money.

Happy Nomad on November 18, 2013 at 1:40 PM

There is something very wrong with 42% of the population

neuquenguy on November 18, 2013 at 1:40 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunguska_event

educated mahself….

ted c on November 18, 2013 at 1:41 PM

Socialism is rape. They expect the US populace to do what the Indian cops tell about the raped women “lay back and enjoy it”.

Go to Hades all who’re for socialism, from all sides.

Schadenfreude on November 18, 2013 at 1:41 PM

But that’s a Rassmussen / Feaux News / GOP propaganda poll … or something.

Blacksheep on November 18, 2013 at 1:43 PM

Poll: Young Voters Abandoning Obama In Droves, Approval Rating Down To Only 36%…

Resist We Much on November 18, 2013 at 1:30 PM

Because he’s finally going out after THEIR money.

Happy Nomad on November 18, 2013 at 1:40 PM

Oh, and one other point. That 21-year-old that proudly voted for Obama in 2008…… is now just about to be dumped from their parents health plan, maybe has a family, and might have a bit more income (assuming they were able to find a job in Obama’s economy).

Socialism makes a lot less sense when you actually have stuff.

Happy Nomad on November 18, 2013 at 1:44 PM

“say they have been hurt by the law, but just 18% of Democrats say the same. Democrats are also less likely to say they have had to change their health insurance.”

A thought has been gnawing in the back a head for while now and I’d like some feedback as to if I am being a tad paranoid or not. Bear with me a minute.

Remember when red state TN was flooded a while back with cities under a deluge of water, yet the WH refused to declare it a disaster area while blue states in equal or lesser conditions received the designation?

What has bothered me is the repeated assertion that premiums, deductibles, etc. would very depending on what state you were in. Has anyone done an analysis on rates going up/down vs in red/blue states? Or by county for that matter, ie: in IL pretty much every county except Cook Co. in IL is red vs reliably blue Chicago & it’s burbs. I’ve heard that there are substantial rate cuts in NYC that are not apparent upstate. Also I have family in Los Angeles(rates down) and inland(just outside Paradise CA) where it is distinctly redder(rates up).

Is this possibly evidence of Obama’s “…help our friends and punish our enemies”?

Whaddaya think?

Archimedes on November 18, 2013 at 1:44 PM

People are hording dough during the x-mas shopping season, due to obama’care’ uncertainties…and above all, due to obama’care’ cause jobs to be lost.

Schadenfreude on November 18, 2013 at 1:19 PM

I think there’ll be a fantastic spending season these holidays,
because more people are on welfare and they really like to shop and dine . All Hussein needs to do is order them and they’ll go out and do it for him.

burrata on November 18, 2013 at 1:45 PM

But that’s a Rassmussen / Feaux News / GOP propaganda poll … or something.

Blacksheep on November 18, 2013 at 1:43 PM

Yeah, well at some point the crowd of angry villagers with pitchforks and torches will be too numerous to ignore.

Happy Nomad on November 18, 2013 at 1:46 PM

I think there’ll be a fantastic spending season these holidays,
because more people are on welfare and they really like to shop and dine . All Hussein needs to do is order them and they’ll go out and do it for him.

burrata on November 18, 2013 at 1:45 PM

He won’t have to order them. Being on welfare is an economic stimulus, they’ll go out and spend that money on their own accord. /

Happy Nomad on November 18, 2013 at 1:48 PM

Poll: Young Voters Abandoning Obama In Droves, Approval Rating Down To Only 36%…

Resist We Much on November 18, 2013 at 1:30 PM

All of a sudden the young are realizing they are getting reamed by Obamacare with super high premiums + lousy care.

And importantly, they realize that they are not sacrificing for a “noble cause,” or for the good of others, because all of us, even the poor, are going to be hurt by the deteriorating quality and ballooning costs of future medical care and by the explosion of govt spending that Obamacare entails.

Huge that those under 29 in this poll have lower levels of support for Obama then the those under 49 and under 64. It is only with senior citizens that support drops again to equal the low levels of support of those under 29! The youth and seniors unite!

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institutes-and-centers/polling-institute/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=1975#.UoKYdNkJ_cw.twitter

anotherJoe on November 18, 2013 at 1:52 PM

Republicans wouldn’t actually repeal the Medicaid expansion, would they?

Of course. Medicaid is a state program and should remain so. If the states that accepted the expansion want to subsequently enact their own versions of the medicaid expansion, they are free to do so.

alwaysfiredup on November 18, 2013 at 1:52 PM

i bet even the patriot act polls better than piece of mess.

chasdal on November 18, 2013 at 1:53 PM

27 Liars from the Left

Schadenfreude on November 18, 2013 at 1:54 PM

The outsider

Schadenfreude on November 18, 2013 at 1:57 PM

He won’t have to order them. Being on welfare is an economic stimulus, they’ll go out and spend that money on their own accord. /

Happy Nomad on November 18, 2013 at 1:48 PM

and the kneepads media will ” report” on the better than expected spending season, there’ll be cute stories showing big black mamas i Obama 2017 or SEIU t-shirts loudly claiming how they’re spending more as compared to the last few years, how the malls are full ,
then , absolutely no one will cover the stories of most of the merchandise being returned for refunds , after Christmas .
The short-term goal of inflating the employment numbers and making Hussein feel good will work during Hussein’s vacation in Hawaii.
During all of this, real citizens who work for a living and pay taxes will suffer.
What a shameful state of affairs :(

burrata on November 18, 2013 at 1:57 PM

How is it possible that anyone has been helped when only so few have even been able to sign up? This only shows that people will blindly agree with anything simply to support Obama.

behiker on November 18, 2013 at 1:29 PM

- Felons with good paying jobs as “navigators” with access to potential victims’ personel info.
- A whole bunch of programmers who got paid well to deliver crap software.
- Hacker-scammers with access to a poorly secured web site full of peoples’ financial info.
- Fluksters who think they’re gettin free hosurance.

dentarthurdent on November 18, 2013 at 1:58 PM

Bummer :)

gophergirl on November 18, 2013 at 2:01 PM

All of a sudden the young are realizing they are getting reamed by Obamacare with super high premiums + lousy care.

anotherJoe on November 18, 2013 at 1:52 PM

Terms like “lousy care” is like the term “better policies.” They are relative terms that are meaningless. The fact of the matter is that young healthy people that don’t tax the healthcare system probably don’t have lousy care because they don’t need much care to begin with. And it also holds true that young males, more than any other group is being gouged so some slut doesn’t have to pay for birth control or breeding.

Happy Nomad on November 18, 2013 at 2:04 PM

Don’t worry… all the government workers are strongly behind obamacare.

of course, they have “seperate but equal” healthcare.

acyl72 on November 18, 2013 at 2:06 PM

Rasmussen: 58% now view ObamaCare unfavorably, a new high

“Can we choom that?”
/Obummer

Bitter Clinger on November 18, 2013 at 2:06 PM

OT-

Why isn’t Obama attending the commemoration of the 150th anniversary of the Gettysburg Address? He’s finding the time to commemorate JFK’s death later in the week. I guess all the timeand Red Bull is catching up as he attempts to re-program the Obamacare website.

Happy Nomad on November 18, 2013 at 2:07 PM

Eleven percent (11%) of voters say they have been helped by the health care law

How is it possible that anyone has been helped when only so few have even been able to sign up? This only shows that people will blindly agree with anything simply to support Obama.

behiker on November 18, 2013 at 1:29 PM

Yeah, they haven’t. It’s just like all of the braindead bimbos who were on twitter in early October thanking Obama because their birth control was now free – none of them were actually getting free birth control at that point, presumably, but they were cheering because it was ostensibly *going* to happen at some point. I guess.

Midas on November 18, 2013 at 2:07 PM

And it also holds true that young males, more than any other group is being gouged so some slut doesn’t have to pay for birth control or breeding.

Happy Nomad on November 18, 2013 at 2:04 PM

I guess one way or another ya gotta pay to play….
;)

dentarthurdent on November 18, 2013 at 2:10 PM

or, alternatively, WitchDoctor unable to count to 100% :)

WitchDoctor on November 18, 2013 at 1:14 PM

Still very funny.

smoothsailing on November 18, 2013 at 2:10 PM

Biggest storm ahead for obama, and he knows it, the economy, stupid.

People are hording dough during the x-mas shopping season, due to obama’care’ uncertainties…and above all, due to obama’care’ cause jobs to be lost.

Schadenfreude on November 18, 2013 at 1:19 PM

Retailers see the storm brewing – many are going to be liquidating because they know 2104 will be a disaster for retail.

Might be robust sales figures for 2013 but 2014 Christmas might be a bust on the order of 50% less than 2013…

redguy on November 18, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Yes. A major unforeseen problem of the skyrocketing insurance rates will be the amount of money taken out of the private economy. Money taken out of discretionary spending. Money not spent on a new car, or a new kitchen.

slickwillie2001 on November 18, 2013 at 2:24 PM

I don’t think the R’s have the cajones to repeal it. They talk tough now, when it comes to the moment they are back in power, the R’s will wilt under any hint they hate women/children/seniors/latinos/gays/(name the special interest). The R’s lead by McCain and Graham will embrace Obamacare and do anything to keep it the “law of the land”. The only thing that kills off Obamacare is when the country collapses financially.

TulsAmerican on November 18, 2013 at 2:25 PM

There’s another shoe about to drop in January….or as soon as people start doing their ’13 taxes.

Obamacare raised the threshold for when we can begin deducting medical expenses. It used to be you could deduct anything over 7.5% of adjusted income. O’care changed it: now you can’t start deducting until you’ve exceeded TEN %. In other words, a tax increase on the very people with the highest medical expenses! It may not sound like a lot, but in my case it’s going to be about $270 more in taxes. That’s enough to pi** me off!

jeanneb on November 18, 2013 at 2:26 PM

You’d need a Tunguska-fireball level of disaster for O to ever acquiesce in undoing the law to protect Dems.


Wouldn’t a Saudi-backed Israeli strike against Iran fit this bill pretty neatly?

Especially since the Israelis would HAVE to use nuclear bunker busters to take out the most hardened Iranian facilities?
(Two reasons: 1) No sense in half measures 2) No sense in delaying Iran by 2 – 3 years as opposed to 2 – 3 decades)

I think most regulars here would agree the liberals lack ALL critical thinking skills.

I am coming around the the opinion that RINO’s can only do critical thinking on ONE subject at a time (e.g. Obamacare is separate from the budget defecit/spending which is separate from the dangers of a nuclear armed Iran which is … little, one topic, bubble universes of thought).

The SCOAMF administration sees an Iranian nuclear agreement as solidifying their base politically and is now making very short term thinking political judgements.

I wonder what would happen to the price of … everything if a multi-state Middle East war breaks out?

I wonder what would happen to the Fed’s “Inflation is non-existent” BS as the price of everything goes way up?

If inflation goes ballistic and the Treasury curve jumps all along its length, I wonder what that will do to budget defecits & government spending to service a MUCH MORE expensive debt load?

I wonder if the Fed’s QE Forever approach might have to be scaled back when inflation goes ballistic?

This is just ONE chain of possible events. There are a DOZEN more.

And the “Black Swan” event to kick all 12 of them off, has already happened.

PolAgnostic on November 18, 2013 at 2:29 PM

One of the reasons for low approval ratings, IMO, is that nobody has been held accountable. Three years of lies about being able to keep the plan turns out to be untrue because we’re just too damned stupid to understand what the Dems were saying. Well over half a billion dollars squandered on a website created by a Mooch Obama crony and a no-bid contract to a company with a lousy record of success….. mere glitches. And it goes on and on.

Credibility begins with holding those responsible for Obamacare to account. Seven weeks after launch and not one person has been fired.

Happy Nomad on November 18, 2013 at 2:30 PM

Republicans wouldn’t actually repeal the Medicaid expansion, would they?

There’s a way around that. We could devise a plan that helps those with pre-existing conditions. Those who are disabled and can’t help themselves. (Disability to be closely monitored). Subsidies for the working poor.

But we go back into the entitlement programs and eliminate benefits for the “surfer dudes”. Remember the dude buying lobsters with his food stamps? Never had a job. Didn’t want one.

I would agree to massive hiring of inspectors to check on food stamp sellers, immigration document forgers, welfare cheats, disability and SSI fakes, etc. And I think most Americans would agree.

jeanneb on November 18, 2013 at 2:34 PM

I don’t think the R’s have the cajones to repeal it. They talk tough now, when it comes to the moment they are back in power, the R’s will wilt under any hint they hate women/children/seniors/latinos/gays/(name the special interest). The R’s lead by McCain and Graham will embrace Obamacare and do anything to keep it the “law of the land”. The only thing that kills off Obamacare is when the country collapses financially.

TulsAmerican on November 18, 2013 at 2:25 PM

The GOPe is bad, and controlled by Dem socialists like McCant, King Peter and Grahmanesty. Which is why we need to focus on getting Grahamnesty and McConnell primaried. Fight the war on all fronts.

Myron Falwell on November 18, 2013 at 2:35 PM

I haven’t looked at Rasmussen for a long time as he has been showing Obama at a much higher approval level than even lib pollsters.

Has he still got the Destroyer around 49% approval?

Doesn’t seem possible…

Meremortal on November 18, 2013 at 2:36 PM

Schadenfreude on November 18, 2013 at 1:19 PM

redguy on November 18, 2013 at 1:32 PM

slickwillie2001 on November 18, 2013 at 2:24 PM

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All of what the three of you are describing is happening NOW.

The Kneepad Media is already starting to back and fill on Obamacare (i.e. Chuck Todd – a reporter who would have been the apple of Goebbels eye).

There are rumbles starting on both sides of the aisle about Yellen.

Just as they are promoting “Racism!” as a defense of Obamacare, they will yell “Sexism!” for appointing the LEAST qualified person to head the Fed.

So any bad economic news pushed forward will be greeted as “Defeatist!”.

By the way, watch “The Challenger Disaster” on Discovery or Science channel.

It will give you goose bumps when you consider the “Inside the Beltway” suppression of bad news which nearly won the day back then in our current “Government Propaganda” media of today.

http://dsc.discovery.com/tv-shows/the-challenger-disaster/about-the-film.htm

PolAgnostic on November 18, 2013 at 2:40 PM

Just looked and Ras has Prezzy Screwup at 44% so he is starting to catch up with the rest now. Interesting.

Meremortal on November 18, 2013 at 2:40 PM

The 42% who like this mess shouldn’t be allowed to vote.

neyney on November 18, 2013 at 2:40 PM

There’s another shoe about to drop in January….or as soon as people start doing their ’13 taxes.

Obamacare raised the threshold for when we can begin deducting medical expenses. It used to be you could deduct anything over 7.5% of adjusted income. O’care changed it: now you can’t start deducting until you’ve exceeded TEN %. In other words, a tax increase on the very people with the highest medical expenses! It may not sound like a lot, but in my case it’s going to be about $270 more in taxes. That’s enough to pi** me off!

jeanneb on November 18, 2013 at 2:26 PM

We are not looking at skyrocketing insurance premiums and deductibles the right way. We should be looking at them as a TAX INCREASE.

Imagine if the progressives had tried to pass an enormous new income tax, to find money to buy people with preexisting conditions health insurance, or to expand Medicaid, or to help buy their favored base insurance, etc. That would have been a non-starter even in a Democratic congress.

Instead they invented Obamacare, which captures the health insurance companies and uses them as tax collectors and direct redistributors of wealth via ‘insurance’ premiums. Obamacare also includes sixteen or so new stealth taxes.

In predictable fashion the Democratics made the subsidies dependent on income, ie ‘progressive’.

Brilliant in the usual perverse way of Democratics.

slickwillie2001 on November 18, 2013 at 2:45 PM

The 42% who like this mess shouldn’t be allowed to vote.

neyney on November 18, 2013 at 2:40 PM

Had there been welfare, medicaid, food stamps, grants, etc. in the late 1700s, they wouldn’t have been allowed to vote. The founders were a lot smarter, and more ethical, than the corrupt scum running Washington today.

cajunpatriot on November 18, 2013 at 2:46 PM

Just looked and Ras has Prezzy Screwup at 44% so he is starting to catch up with the rest now. Interesting.

Meremortal on November 18, 2013 at 2:40 PM

Sure that isn’t 404% ;0

Happy Nomad on November 18, 2013 at 2:49 PM

Exit question via David Frum: Republicans wouldn’t actually repeal the Medicaid expansion, would they?

Hmmm.. Obamacare caused a $650B reduction in MediCARE – for our Senior Citizens. I’d say repealing EBT Health Care for slackers might be a good option.

/just sayin’. Bon Qui Qui can’t take an ambulance to the E/R for a bad case of the sniffles? My heart. It aches.

Repeal the whole damn thing.

Key West Reader on November 18, 2013 at 2:51 PM

i bet even the patriot act polls better than piece of mess.

chasdal on November 18, 2013 at 1:53 PM

We’ll never know, because there hasn’t been any “polling” done on that topic in a bout 3 years. In 2011, PEW found that the percentage of Americans who said the PA was a necessary part of the Wat on Terror was at 42%. That was actually up from the previous numbers of 39% in 2007 and 33% in 2004.

Del Dolemonte on November 18, 2013 at 2:52 PM

I would agree to massive hiring of inspectors to check on food stamp sellers, immigration document forgers, welfare cheats, disability and SSI fakes, etc. And I think most Americans would agree.

jeanneb on November 18, 2013 at 2:34 PM

You’d destroy the Democrat base. It’ll never happen. But it is a fine idea, for sure!

Key West Reader on November 18, 2013 at 2:53 PM

What’s wrong with those 38% that approve of this garbage bill?

austinconservative on November 18, 2013 at 2:54 PM

Ted c my computer is down so Im using my phone so can’t do the link but basically Tunguska is a region on Russia that got hit by what is suspected to have been a large meteor concussion back in 1907 or thereabouts. It flattened miles of forest and looked like the Mt St Helens forest post eruption. It flattened everything….hence the analogy to Obamacare ;o)

neyney on November 18, 2013 at 2:55 PM

OT-

Why isn’t Obama attending the commemoration of the 150th anniversary of the Gettysburg Address? He’s finding the time to commemorate JFK’s death later in the week. I guess all the timeand Red Bull is catching up as he attempts to re-program the Obamacare website.

Happy Nomad on November 18, 2013 at 2:07 PM

There’s probably a lot of folks who are glad that he’s not going.

But to answer your question, two reasons.

1. Lincoln was a Republican.

2. O’bama can’t show up because he can’t allow himself to be compared with Lincoln.

Del Dolemonte on November 18, 2013 at 2:57 PM

This poll is patently invalid. If 11 percent of the voters say they have been helped by the law, and only a little over 100,000 have signed up, that makes only about a million voters in the country. It is not even possible the 30 percent who say they have been hurt by the law to be correct for the same reason. Although because they didn’t have to sign up to be hurt with insurance cancellations, deductible and policy cost increases.

Old Country Boy on November 18, 2013 at 3:14 PM

ONLY 58%? Must be a whole lot more freeloaders than I thought.

HiJack on November 18, 2013 at 4:45 PM

OT-

Why isn’t Obama attending the commemoration of the 150th anniversary of the Gettysburg Address? He’s finding the time to commemorate JFK’s death later in the week. I guess all the timeand Red Bull is catching up as he attempts to re-program the Obamacare website.

Happy Nomad on November 18, 2013 at 2:07 PM

Because he’s afraid of being assassinated by descendant of the Confederate army. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gettysburg_(The_Outer_Limits)

HiJack on November 18, 2013 at 4:55 PM

Why isn’t Obama attending the commemoration of the 150th anniversary of the Gettysburg Address? He’s finding the time to commemorate JFK’s death later in the week. I guess all the timeand Red Bull is catching up as he attempts to re-program the Obamacare website.

Happy Nomad on November 18, 2013 at 2:07 PM

Too bad he didn’t decide to take in a play…..

dentarthurdent on November 18, 2013 at 6:02 PM